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Who wins in stamina and endurance. Ainz only uses his spell greater hardening and Penetrate Up

Hay everyone, the biggest Overlord's hater here. My last two posts have been surprisingly intelligent and thoughtful. And while I appreciate the creativity of your comments below, and some of you have given me new ideas, I'm afraid I'm starting to sound like a reasonable person. So, as promised, here's another damn unfair fight. Let's imagine that Michael's, after his death—you know, the one that caused the New Big Bang, by the will of his father, the Presence, or simply God—finds himself in the New World at the start of the Holy Kingdom Arc. He sees, or simply senses, demon invasions and believes that another of his brother's demons is rampaging across the land. Imagine his surprise when he arrives and sees a small demon, devoid of Hellish energy, with a name similar to his last name. Do you think Michael's will simply kill Demiurge when he saves Calca, or send him to Hell, to the real demons?

Bonus round: Michael again all Overlord verse, with a Meas of Death scaling.

Hello again, my dear r/OverlordPowerscailing subscribers. Once again, the biggest Overlord hater is with you. I know, a second post in week is a bit much, but I promise you, I'll get back to unfair battles where Nazarick is certain to lose. My next post will definitely be about that battle.

I've been obsessed with how the New World's power system actually works for a long time, maybe even months if not a year. How can a New World inhabitant, human or otherwise, become stronger, and even if they can? Murayama, other than explaining its origins and how the Yggdrasil Power System even got to the New World, didn't give any explanation of how it works. And it drives me crazy!

Why describe how your world's Power System works when you can describe the backstory of an item that will appear once or come up with another conclusion that will only be used once, right?! Seriously, this system has so many blind spots, and my Apophenia (Search for Deep Meaning Syndrome) forces me to fill in every single one until I get the whole picture.

Let's first recap what everyone knows about this Power System. In the New World, it was created by the Dragon Emperor casting a spell that summoned World Items along with the players to the New World, and/or was influenced by those same World Items. To put it simply, there are two types of levels: Job Levels and Racial Levels. Racial Levels are available only to Demi-Humans and Heteromorphs and primarily provide stats and rare racial abilities, while Job Levels are available to everyone—Humans, Demi-Humans, and Heteromorphs (note that only one group lacks Racial Levels)—and they primarily focus on skills rather than stats. If you ignore the New World and focus solely on YGGDRASIL, it might seem like a reasonably well-developed power system, albeit with obvious flaws. But I'm constantly left with a small question: How the heck do you level up in the New World?!

Seriously, he's implying that this is a true New World, made of matter, atoms, and all that. And instead of explaining how to level up, Maruyama blurted out something about talent. I hate that talent excuse; it's a cheap way to throw off readers and explain why no one can reach level 100 because they just weren't talented enough. And considering he forgot to explain how mana works, why people can't learn spells higher than 6x, what Talents are and how they appear, and he completely ignored Martial Arts, I'll have to figure it out for him now! Okay, I've gotten off topic. Now let me try to explain how I think leveling up in the New World works:

VERY IMPORTANT PART!! DON'T MISS!

In the New World, there's no Status tracker to track progress, choose classes, and so on, but the power system from Yggdrasil is definitely there. It directly influences the world, resulting in those very classes, tiered magic, and items, but it's invisible. It's like gravity, which has always been there, but was only recently understood and given a name. Leveling up happens automatically because people and others have no idea such a thing even exists and that there's a term for it. My theory is that leveling up exists, and to level up, you need enough EXP. Yes, yes, I know, it's a brilliant decision to leave leveling the same as it was in the game, but it's all in the details. They don't know about EXP and levels, yet they earn EXP and level up. How? The most surprising answer, of course, would be killing monsters. And yes, adventurers, who do just that, are an order of magnitude stronger than regular people, but then how do others level up? How did Climb, who spent most of his life in a castle, figure out how to level up to 15-16, or how did Nferia, an Alchemist, level up? Many have probably forgotten, but killing mobs isn't the only way to level up in games. The same goes for quests, which, when completed, yield rewards, including EXP. And again, who said people should understand that completing these quests earns them experience, or that they even have these quests? So Nferia brewing potions should also earn him EXP, and even Climb's training in the palace could serve as a form of daily quest. But there's a problem with this logic. Why then don't the same adventurers who complete the most quests and fight the most monsters gain infinite levels? Why is it that even among them, especially among them, the term "talent" is used? Remember how it was said that the Wish spell doesn't use the usual mana, but experience from the experience bar? I've come to the conclusion that this Experience Bar, or EXP Bar, exists, and that it accumulates the experience people and others gain from killing monsters or completing quests. And it continues to accumulate, even when it's enough to level up, until the EXP is converted to a new level through training or other conditions, which we'll call "classification advancement." This is how leveling up happens, and because people and others aren't aware of it, only the "talented" are able to accidentally pass the conditions and convert EXP into levels!

Boom! I did it! I finished the Overlord Power System for Maruyama, who has no interest in doing it! Although there are still things like Talent and Martial Arts and how Wild Magic fits into all of this... You know what? I'll probably make a few videos about the Overlord Power System, maybe even write a whole article just because I hate Overlord so much! What do you think? Do you have any thoughts on how leveling up or other parts of the Overlord Power System works? Maybe if the arguments are worthwhile, I'll add them to my future videos/articles.

This has been in my mind for awhile, just wondering

Ok for this we be looking at 8 stuff to see what would and would not be technically a world item tier.

1. Asta's grimoire (Black Clover)

2. Omnipotent orb (Persona)

3. Jack's Katana (Samurai Jack)

4. Soul King parts (Bleach)

5. Grim's scythe (The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy)

6. Book of Eibon (Soul Eater)

7. Elsdocia aka Sword of the Wizard King (Black Clover: Sword of the Wizard King)

8. Luffy's devil fruit

List has
- Aleph 1 (Wuwa)
- Dottore
- Ohma Zio (Yes)
- ORT
- Olga Marie
- Otto (Hi3rd)
- Iromtomb (HSR)

I've seen a lot of Overlord vs. Genshin debates where the discussion eventually boils down to one simple claim:

"World Items ignore everything."

Personally, I think that conclusion oversimplifies the issue.

What makes this matchup interesting isn't who has the bigger numbers, but the fact that both universes revolve around systems of reality imposed upon a world. Because of that, the real question isn't simply which ability is stronger, but how two different systems that both claim authority over reality's rules would interact.

First: What exactly is a Descendant?

For those who aren't familiar with Genshin Impact's lore, a Descendant is not just an incredibly powerful individual.

A Descendant is someone who exists outside the system that governs Teyvat itself.

As far as current canon tells us:

They are not recorded by Irminsul (the world's information tree).

Their memories cannot be altered through Irminsul.

They are not bound by the fate that governs Teyvat's native inhabitants.

They are described as possessing a "will capable of rivaling an entire world."

The Traveler is currently the Fourth confirmed Descendant.

That doesn't automatically mean they're immune to every power in fiction. It simply means they've already demonstrated the ability to exist outside an imposed cosmological system.

Interestingly... Teyvat itself already operates under an imposed system

This is where I started noticing the similarities with Overlord.

Originally, Teyvat belonged to the Seven Dragon Sovereigns.

They ruled the world through their primordial Authorities.

Then the Primordial One and the Heavenly Principles defeated them and rewrote the world's fundamental laws.

In other words, the rules that govern modern Teyvat are not its original natural laws.

They're an imposed system built over an older one.

Didn't something similar happen in Overlord?

The New World originally didn't operate under YGGDRASIL's rules either.

Its native system revolved around Wild Magic.

Then Players arrived, bringing with them:

Tier Magic

World Items

YGGDRASIL's mechanics

In other words, another external system became superimposed over an already existing reality.

That's why I think both universes share a surprisingly similar conceptual foundation.

Then comes TGoALiD

We all know how absurdly powerful The Goal of All Life Is Death is.

Its effect allows a death spell to bypass normal death immunity and kill targets that would otherwise be immune.

Within Overlord, it's one of the strongest abilities in the series.

There's no debate there.

The question begins when the target has already demonstrated that they exist outside an imposed system.

What happens when the target already transcends a system of rules?

The Traveler isn't simply resistant to magic.

They exist outside Teyvat's information system.

Likewise, the Dragon Sovereigns existed before the current order established by the Heavenly Principles.

When Neuvillette regains his full Authority, we learn that these Authorities are much more than elemental manipulation.

They're fundamental principles of reality itself.

One detail that caught my attention: Ronova

Ronova, one of the Heavenly Principles' Shades, appears to possess something very close to conceptual death manipulation.

As far as current lore suggests, she can:

Kill beings that normally cannot die.

Prevent beings that should die from dying.

Treat death as a law rather than simply an attack.

That sounds much closer to conceptual authority than to a conventional instant death spell.

And that's where I started wondering...

What happens when two different "authorities" collide?

TGoALiD is often summarized as:

"It ignores immunities."

True.

But...

What happens if the target isn't resisting through immunity?

What if they simply exist outside the system attempting to impose that rule?

I'm not saying that automatically makes a Descendant immune.

But I also don't think Overlord's canon explicitly states that a World Item possesses absolute authority over every conceivable cosmology.

World Items aren't omnipotent either

Even within Overlord, they have limits.

They can counter one another.

Possessing one grants protection against certain effects from others.

Wild Magic interacts with them in unique ways.

That tells us something important:

Even in Overlord, authority exists in layers.

It's not simply "World Item > absolutely everything."

Descendants aren't omnipotent either

Likewise, Genshin's canon never states that Descendants are immune to every power originating from other universes.

So I don't think it's correct to automatically conclude that TGoALiD wouldn't affect them either.

My conclusion

I don't think either side gets an automatic win.

If we're equalizing verses, then both systems should be allowed to interact.

But that same equalization also means we shouldn't hand either side an automatic victory by claiming:

"World Items override every rule."

"Descendants transcend every system."

Instead, the debate becomes something much more interesting:

Which form of authority has conceptual priority?

The rules imposed by YGGDRASIL through a World Item?

A Descendant who already exists outside an imposed cosmological system?

The primordial Authorities of a Dragon Sovereign?

Or the laws imposed by the Heavenly Principles themselves?

Personally, I don't think either franchise has given us a definitive answer.

Questions for discussion

Should World Items be interpreted as artifacts capable of imposing their rules on any cosmology, or only on systems compatible with YGGDRASIL?

Since Descendants have already demonstrated the ability to exist outside one imposed cosmological system, is it reasonable to think they would interact differently with another imposed system like YGGDRASIL?

Would you consider TGoALiD and Ronova's authority over death to be similar forms of conceptual manipulation, or do they fundamentally operate on different metaphysical principles?

How would you rank the hierarchy of authority between World Items, Dragon Authorities, the Heavenly Principles, and Descendants?

I'm genuinely interested in hearing the opinions of people who know Overlord well, because I think this discussion goes far beyond the usual "Ainz wins because hax." In the end, both universes seem to revolve around the same core idea: who truly has the authority to define the rules of reality?

And once again, Nazarick's biggest hater is with you.

I know you know me from my revenge posts where I pit Ainz/someone else from Nazarick against someone they'll never defeat. And I promise, I'll get back to those unfair matches, but for now, I want to be serious. I've realized that I'll never be satisfied until I destroy Nazarick myself. But I don't understand that it's impossible; Nazarick isn't real, and if it were, I wouldn't be able to defeat them, at least in my current form. So I started thinking, what kind of power would it take to destroy Nazarick?

So now I ask you this question. If you were offered the chance to travel to the New World/Universe of Overlord (without the option to refuse, of course, otherwise few would agree), which power system, ability, and/or item would you choose?

The rules are simple:

1. You will be sent before Nazarick arrives, anywhere from one week to fifteen years, depending on your choice. This is done to give you time to prepare, or not, depending on your choice.

2. You must choose a power system from another universe/fiction that you will possess and in which you will have a first-class talent. You can also take a single power or a set of powers from the same world/fiction and/or item(s). Let me just say right away that you will receive all the power and brute force of the force system at once, but you will receive the potential to reach the pinnacle of power

2.5. For the more creative (ahem, greedy) players, you can choose an ability/weapon from a different universe than the power system. For example, take the Six Eyes and Infinity set, but not Cursed Energy as a power system. This is designed to encourage the most creative responses, but you'll have to explain in detail how your chosen abilities will work within the chosen power system.

3. Once you reach the New World, it's all your choice. I know not everyone wants to destroy Nazarick like I do, so you're free to do whatever you want with your new means in the New World. Whether it's saving Sweet Potato Calka and marrying her, or joining Ainz in world conquest.

4. Yes, you can choose the Yggdrasil power system, and then you'll become the character who gained the ability to level up the Player in the New World and other things from that fanfic. But I think that would be boring.

Now that I know these rules, what will you choose?

I’ll go over some of Hercule’s feats (I showed a few in the images) for those who don’t know. Hercule has dodged shots from RPGs, he tanked a hit from kid Trunks (you can also use him tanking a hit from Cell if you want), Hercule has pretty casually pulled 4 tour busses and punched through on of them. I know he isn’t gonna be that high in levels, I’m just curious how strong he would be in Overlord.

Alright rules

• Both sides are in character
• Both sides only knowledge is that they are aware of the existence of each other
• Both have a 1 week-1 month prep
• Sorcerer Kingdom are using either one of the methods they used on the Lizardmen tribes, Re-estize kingdom and Holy kingdom (Overlord: The Sacred Kingdom)
• Scenario 1: Post Spade Kingdom arc Clover Kingdom
• Scenario 2: End of series Clover Kingdom
• Scenario 3: Clover Kingdom that has every past wizard king known in the series present along with current Wizard King Asta. Cooperating.
• Scenario 4: No Wizard Kings or Ainz (But Asta is exclude only be using Post Spade Kingdom arc Asta)

Who would win in a 1v1?

Our beloved giant lizard​ happens to be an eldritch and cosmic horror entity, why not?

No world item.

Bonus round :- Bagram vs all floor guardians, if it is a stomp.

Alright rules

1. Both sides are in Character
2. Both sides have no background knowledge of each other
3. Phantom Thieves main goal is to infiltrate the Great Tomb of Nazarick and gather information. They only recently discovered it out of nowhere, thinking it's sorta a palace. Their other goal is to survive the Tomb as well and escape if things get very rough.
4. Phantom Thieves are in costume fighting like how they are in cognitive world. To put more info the Tomb functions like the metaverse which allows them to use Personas

Had to edit this cause of 3-4 sorry about the confusion.

Round 1: without the chaos emeralds
Round 2: with the chaos emeralds

OH NO! Nazarick has been doing some bad stuff, and the valiant Superboy-Prime (his far more tame personality in the Dark Nights: Death Metal) suddenly appears and joins the fight! Superboy-Prime drops in and gets a sob story from the Roble Holy Kingdom, and goes to town on bringing justice! Who will stop the rampaging Primetime smack down!?