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An Invitation to the Oldest Ex-Muslim Discord Server

Hello there fellow Ex-Muslims!

As the soul-crushing heat of the Summer sun returns for its yearly visit, we extend another Atlantis invitation to you. And you don't even need to go outside for it!

Here at Atlantis we all are all too familiar with the struggles that being an Ex-Muslim brings. During times like these nothing would help more than having a warm (metaphorically; it's warm enough outside) and supportive community where you can meet people with similar experiences. Here we all hang out and have fun, unwind after a long day and vent, and simply be ourselves in a world where we can't otherwise.

Atlantis is a community of over 500 members from different countries and backgrounds who have left Islam for various reasons. We have a strict and secure verification system to ensure the safety and privacy of our members. Once verified, you will have access to exclusive channels where you can express yourself freely.

In Atlantis we have:

  • Channels to chat, share life updates, talk about games, art, anime, movies, etc.
  • Channels to vent and for serious life advice and support
  • Shitposting and memes
  • Exclusive channels for LGBTQIA+ and woman
  • Game nights, movie streams, music VCs, a weekly book club, and so much more!

You will find many friends and allies in Atlantis who will make you feel at home and understand your experiences. We also welcome Never-Muslims and Muslims who are respectful and curious about Ex-Muslims (Within designated channels).

And if you're new to Discord, don’t worry; our staff team will guide you through the process and make you comfortable.

Dive beneath the waves and say hello!

u/AtlantisServer — 10 hours ago
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YAYYY I GOT MY ACCOUNT UNFLAGGED

now this ain’t the only community i can post in
thanks for the mods here for giving me auto approval.

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u/Icy1082 — 10 hours ago
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Need some help

Thinking of telling my gf about my apostasy this has been on my mind for a long time and I'm looking for the perfect time but perfect time doesn't exist so should i tell her or not?

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u/Ok_Frosting_5886 — 1 day ago
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Does the universe feel "bigger" to you after leaving islam?

I'm not sure about everyone else, but personally the universe has felt so much bigger and more mysterious ever since I stopped believing in islam, everything tying back to one creator made it feel "closed" in a sense, one thing making It feel like this is realising we don't know what could happen in the future, everything won't follow the script of the Qur'an and day of judgement and all that

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u/LiterallyNoNamesFree — 1 day ago
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A religion that discriminates

I went to the Egypt and Australia match yesterday as a South Asian but decided to support Egypt by wearing a Mo Salah Jersey. I went alone so as I got to my seat I got to know the people next to me.

This one Muslim Egyptian couple were next to me. The whole time from warmups up until halftime I was speaking to the husband from the start of the match, reacting to every play, jumping and clapping during the game. Even saying stuff like “Alhamdulillah for that save” “inshallah Egypt wins”

He had realized I wasn’t saying a lot of the Egyptian chants and asked where my home country is, and even though I’m American my parents are from Bangladesh. The second I told him that he hit me with an oh ok and everything seemed normal.

Then, after getting close to his wife and whispering something, literally like a light switch he started physically turning his back towards me, when we would stand he would do the same. And by body language and ignoring even during penalties a child could tell that he is giving me some kinda cold shoulder. After the game he walked off no salaam no nothing. He would now only converse with his wife and strikes up a conversation with some other Egyptians that were in front of us.

As an American and someone who’s tired of the anti brown sentiment, the superiority complex from you brown Arabs (yes you guys are brown!) towards their “brothers” in South Asia is disgusting. And since yall think yall are the pure Muslims you can have the religion all to yourselves! Bob Jones from down the street won’t be able to tell a difference between us but for you if you feel you’re pure or better than me then…… and if this religion promotes this I have to turn away.

u/CinematicHooper — 1 day ago
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Finding a long term partner as an irreligious ex Muslim

I am a 27 year old South Asian man currently living and working in Tokyo.

I was born into a Sunni household but have been irreligious since my teenage years. My worldview is secular and left leaning, and I try to live a life grounded in ethics and humanism rather than religion. I read a lot of economics and ethical philosophy, and I care deeply about building a meaningful life both professionally and personally.
Over the past few years I have been in a few relationships, but they all seemed to struggle once religion became a serious topic. Even when things are going well, the fact that I am openly irreligious eventually becomes a deal breaker. In our part of the world, that still carries a lot of weight.
I have also tried dating outside my cultural background, including non Asian women, and while those experiences were positive in many ways, I have realized that I tend to connect more deeply with women who share some level of South Asian cultural context. There is a familiarity in values, family dynamics, humor, and lived experience that matters to me more than I initially expected.
I feel ready to settle down with someone and build something stable and long term. I am affectionate, emotionally available, and serious about partnership. But finding someone from a similar cultural background who is also irreligious and wants something long term has proven harder than I expected.
For those of you from South Asian backgrounds, especially Pakistan or India, how have you navigated dating and marriage as an ex Muslim? Did you find it easier outside your home country? Did you end up with someone from a similar background or a completely different one?
I would genuinely appreciate hearing your experiences or advice. It can feel isolating at times, and I am curious how others here have approached this stage of life.

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u/Gaijin_from_afar00 — 1 day ago
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Diabolical Thought Process

I know this is more or less a nothing burger of a comment thread but still I couldn't ignore because of how ridiculous it is besides that one guy chiming in.

For context, this was a a comment thread on this post about the idiot Muhammad Hijab https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZpk/s/t7FuMvjn3p

I mean this dumbass is really forgetting what the white part in "our" flag stands for isn't he? What an absolute utter moron. Though I'm not gonna pretend this is just one guy amongst a million, because the majority of GenZ where I'm from or at least those I've met do indeed have this mentality of "Muslims are the true Pakistanis" so this is not that surprising but pretty funny.

u/Dry_Engineering_3590 — 1 day ago
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Paternity Disputes Over Shared Slave Women Resolved by Drawing Lots

Came across this interesting ruling:

When three men jointly own a slave woman and each of them engages in intercourse with her within the same menstrual purity (ṭuhr), and subsequently a child is born, and all three claim paternity, then lots should be drawn among them. The one in whose name the lot is drawn will be recognized as the father of the child. He is then required to pay two-thirds of the blood money (diyah) to the other two men.

✔ Incident Reported from Hazrat Ali (رضي الله عنه)​

Hazrat Zayd ibn Arqam (رضي الله عنه) narrates:

While Hazrat Ali (رضي الله عنه) was in Yemen, three men were brought before him who had all engaged in intercourse with the same slave woman during one ṭuhr.

Hazrat Ali (رضي الله عنه) asked two of them:

“Do you concede the child to this third man?”

They replied: “No.”

He posed the same question to each pair among them, but none would concede paternity to the third.

So, Hazrat Ali (رضي الله عنه) drew lots among them, and the child was attributed to the one in whose name the lot came out.

He also imposed upon him two-thirds of the blood money, to be given to the remaining two.

The narrator states:

“This matter was later mentioned to the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وسلم), and he laughed so much that his molar teeth became visible.”

References:

[Ṣaḥīḥ Abū Dāwūd: 1987 – Book of Divorce, Chapter: Regarding Drawing Lots When There is a Dispute in Paternity]

[Abū Dāwūd: 2270]

[Ahmad: 4/374]

[An-Nasā’ī: 6/182]

[Ḥumaydī: 785]

[Ibn Mājah: 2348]

❀ Legitimacy of Drawing Lots (قرعہ) in Islamic Law​

According to the majority of scholars including Imam Mālik, Imam Shāfiʿī, and Imam Aḥmad, drawing lots is permissible in such cases.

https://en.tohed.com/threads/paternity-disputes-over-shared-slave-women-resolved-by-drawing-lots.6511/

Can somebody, especially muslim brothers here say this is false or a lie?

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u/Electronic_Sir_6833 — 1 day ago
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Help me

So I left religion a year ago but sometimes I get frustrated because of uncertainty. Like there are some nights where I can't sleep and Questions that why do I exist and what is this all happening pop up in my mind. What to do in those situations???

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u/Usual-Blueberry-371 — 2 days ago