r/Stranger_Things

They are so boringly simple or one dimensional and sometimes both. They aren’t fun and often give monologues that bluntly say what they are about with no nuance or subtly and they aren’t smart either. The lead government guy in Season 4 sounds like a broken record half the time, (and being the worse one in this archetype) Dr. Brenner literally used the same tactic to get their way until Eleven eventually gave in like how a child throws a tantrum until a parent gives in, opposed to smart villains like Hannibal Lecter from Silence of the Lambs where he adapts to the situation and comes up with a different plan every time.

Also they are written to either be hate sink and agonizing to watch or given a redemption arc which loses the joy and fun to have villains in a story. Because villains like: Disney villains (most notably: Maleficent, Creulla De Vil and Ursula), the Joker, most Stephen King villains, (most notably Pennywise the Clown) Fairy Godmother from Shrek 2, Lord Shen, Death the big bad wolf, Regina George, Azula, Bettlejuice, Sue Sylvester from Glee, Tammy Swanson and Jean Ralphio from Parks and Rec, most Marvel villains (most notably Thanos) and Palpatine are loved by their fans not because they had a redemption arc, but because they were unabashedly, unapologetically, and deviously evil.

What are your opinions on this?

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Which other shows ended with the main character getting the same or similar fate ending as Eleven got in Stranger Things and if so how were their endings?

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What is the most Evilest thing that any character has done that you find really evil in Stranger Things?

What are some of the stranger things to ever happen throughout Stranger Things that you find really strange?

it would not be surprising if Hopper was there for the birth of both of them and even helped give birth to them both. Lori knows he was more of a father to them than Lonnie was.

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In the Finale Eleven to protect her friends from the military and end the threat of new portals and test subjects forever, El chose to make the ultimate sacrifice leaving her fate ambiguous my question is why didn't she get a happy ending and instead got an ambiguous ending she's the main character shouldn't the main character get a happy ending

so i was rewatching stranger things and i just realized something and idk if its a plot hole or im just confused

when nancy and robin went to victor creel’s cell in the mental hospital he told them the story of what happened in his house. and we as the viewers get to see that visually from his point of view

as far as we know he didnt make nancy able to see it
and vecna only showed nancy later when she was in a trance.

so how did nancy know his door had a flower on it and could piece together max’s drawing? technically she didn’t see it at all at that point

I know none of them were that sad as we didn’t really get attached to them, and their deaths were so quick with them just dying on the spot, unlike Max. But I think Patrick’s could be the saddest seeing as he wasn’t in a trance so felt everything.

Spoilers

Mine are Sorcerer, Massacre at Hawkins Lab, and The Gate. Sorcerer is my favorite episode of he entire series because it was epic, it had good humor and an amazing ending that promised a much better ending than we did end up getting (I do actually really like the final season, but compared to my SKY HIGH expectations of it being the best season yet, it was disappointing). Massacre at Hawkins Lab I feel doesn't need an explanation to why it's up here. Finally the Gate is actually where and when I got into ST, to where I saw a clip of the ending on YouTube and instantly was hooked and loved the show. Beyond that, I disagree with those who say stop the show at S3 because quite frankly I didn't much care for season 3 and only found it worth it because of the banger of a season 4 we got that built upon the end of s3. I do get why many would stop at s2 though because admittedly it was a very good ending point, me personally, I liked season 5 enough that I'm willing to accept it as the ending and get the treat of watching s4 up to it.

I’m confused about the whole Russian operation in Hawkins, especially the Starcourt Mall.

How did the Russians manage to have a whole secret underground base beneath the mall without the US government finding out? And how were they getting all those people, equipment, and resources into Hawkins?

Also, after everything happened at the mall, how did the Russians actually get back to Russia? Did they have another route or facility for leaving the US, or was this explained somewhere and I just missed it?

Personally I would go with

1. Season 4
2. Season 1
3. Season 3
4. Season 5
5. Season 2

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What are your favorite moments with Mike

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What are your most favorite moments with Eleven

Season 5 & 4 Spoilers

>!Before some of you throw "but it ruined cosmic horror vibe of mind flayer" I want you to realize two things.

1. In DND, despite having an origin and all, and being humanoid, Vecna is still classified as an eldritch entity who's more powerful than COUNTLESS other cosmic demons. And
2. I've seen no one talk about this, but it was theorized for years before S4 came out that the Mind Flayer was whoever 001 was, seriously, you can even find videos about it from awhile ago. Here's the thing tho, when I and many others imagined a humanoid force behind the mind flayer, we imagined someone of FAR greater power than Jane/El, floating around within the giant shadow form of the mind flayer. This leads me to the hottest take yet, them deciding to retcon the mind flayer being the source of Vecna's powers is honestly a large part of what caused S5 to not be as great as it could've been (I like s5, but definitely view it partly as a disappointment because s4 set my expectations sky high.)

This all leads me to what I think could've been changed in s5 and the first shadow play to make better use of Will's connection to the hive mind and make Vecna a thousand times more threatening in s5. I would've changed the lore so that Brenner wasn't the son of the survivor of the USS eldritch experiment, but one of the crew who died. I would've also instead said that either Henry's father or his mother was, and that the experiment itself, NOT being transported to the Abyss, was what gave them a unique blood type, one that was maybe dormant in him/her, but not in Henry. Then for s5, I would've said that Vecna couldn't save his body, and so he could only survive by fully transferring his mind to the shadow mind flayer form, and is seeking to take over Will as a vessel. This is how I would've changed the premise of s5 to create more stakes, what do you all think?!<

Obviously everyone served a purpose to the plot, otherwise they wouldn’t be there. But who do you think was the most useless character, and didn’t actually need to be there or serve much of a purpose? For me it’s definitely either Dr Kay or Akers. We already had Sullivan, they just didn’t seem necessary.

Stranger Things had me hooked(edge of my seat hooked) especially S1-S4. Dark on the other hand was too slow for my ADHD and perhaps very repetitive.

Which one is your favourite of the two and why?