r/TheExpanse

Avasarala snacks on pistachios and that’s maybe the only time we see someone just snacking. People mostly eat in the galley or in the noodle shops or bars. Occasionally they will eat a tube of paste in a hurry, but like there’s no chips, cookies, pretzels, anything like that. I’m almost done the books and I can’t even recall Alex snacking even though he’s often just getting drunk in ops watching neo-noir. Man I’d be eating some dill pickle Lays with those beer bulbs.

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Okay so I just watched episode 6 of season 2, one of the best episodes of tv I've ever seen. Now I feel like dropping the series.

I loved Miller's character, more than any of the others, the perfect blend of a noir detective/no shits given antihero, he was the most compelling and interesting, banter like no other. And now without him I feel like the show will be empty and bland.

Holden seems to be a one note action hero archetype, with some moral dilemmas thrown in, Amos is a brute without much personality or backstory so far, I care little for either. Nagada is probably the most interesting of the crew, Alex has some good moments too but neither has what Miller built. By far the most compelling character, getting beaten the hell up and still shooting through ballshit, the season 1 finally fighting to get to the docks while fighting radiation sickness was amazing. I liked his season 1 storyline far more than any of the others. I don't give a shit about the annoying mars marines or the bickering politics of the earth characters. Don't even really care about Johnson or the other guys in that station. Couldn't care if they all died in the next episode. I hope they introduce more cool side characters because these main characters are either annoying or boring.

Just want Miller back and I heard he does come back in some way but not the same.

(But that last kiss seemed really tacked on)

I know it's based on the books, but I feel they killed their most compelling character waaaayyy too early. Could have saved it at least for a season finally...

Tell me, does the series get better after this? Cuz four more seasons and a half without my boy Miller just sounds boring and bland, however much science and cool ships are in it. I might just quit the series for a while and come back once I've watched everything on my current watch list. Or maybe just leave it with the end of Miller's story. Is it worth continuing?

Why did Chrisjen decide to meet Jules? She just had nothing up her sleeves? It seemed like a really dumb move with not much chance at gaining anything and a lot to lose.

Also why did Gunny decided to break out of her room and go see the ocean? I was really confused at that because she doesn't seem like the type to disobey order, let alone for something like this?

I'm enjoying the show a lot but these 2 events seemed a little bending backwards for the plot. I mainly wanna know if I understood the meeting thing correctly.

Guys..... There is a game in progress based on our beloved series+books The Expanse pretty excited to see the gameplay though.....

Not mine but of owclat games on insta.

It has Medina station to the belter station and even Martian ships and beloved rocinante

Edit:- I've only watched series not read any books nor I don't know about previous games I saw the trailer got excited and sent it here.

Hello! I just finished season 6 of the TV show and I just cannot get enough of the world! I really want to know what happens after season 6 so I thought I should start reading from book 7 to continue the story. Then I cam across a chapter title (chapter 3) that included the name of a character I don't remember from the show and it made me reconsider. Would I lose a lot if I just went to read book 7 without reading 1-6 first?

I do plan on reading the whole series eventually regardless.

What are your thoughts?

Hey, so a colleague told me about the series and it sounds really interesting. He also told me the TV show was never finished and since I hate to read books after consuming the relevant movie/show I have a habit of reading them first and am planning to do it for the expanse too. Now I dont wanna read the first six unnecessarily as my colleague said they are really close to the show.

So I started with book 7 and its great but I feel like I am missing a bit of exposition. Might it be worth watching the series first?

EDIT: Why the hate guys? It was just a question :(

I just finished book 6, can I start with season 6?

Or will there be spoilers in the show?

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I love Sci-Fi movies/TV & someone at work suggested this show saying it’s right up my alley. l’m almost done with episode 1, but man…the pace is agonizingly slow, which I get if you’re trying to set things/characters up, but man…someone please tell me it picks up a little bit.

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OK. I understood - maybe I'm spoiled by Wh40k Universe where Erringwright deeds would be considered as noble

But about Ashford? His actions almost finished all civilizations in Solar System

Is he a villain?

I'm currently on Chapter 3 of Book 4 (Cibola Burn) and absolutely love The Expanse. The world-building is incredible, the politics are fascinating, and many of the characters are some of the best I've read in science fiction.

That said, I'm really struggling with Holden.

Am I alone in feeling like he's one of the weaker main characters and one of the least convincing leaders/captains I've encountered in a major sci-fi series?

What confuses me is that almost every major and secondary character seems to have more depth, nuance, and growth than Holden.

• Miller feels deeply flawed and human.
• Avasarala is incredibly intelligent, layered, and politically complex.
• Bobbie has a great identity and loyalty arc.
• Prax felt more compelling to me despite being around for a much shorter time.
• Naomi often seems like the actual strategist and adult in the room.
• Amos is endlessly fascinating because of how he views morality and people.
• Even Alex frequently feels more competent and grounded.

Honestly, I thought Book 3 was probably the weakest book so far, but even there I found myself becoming more interested in some of the side characters than Holden. That's what keeps standing out to me throughout the series. The supporting cast consistently feels richer and more nuanced than the person who appears to be the central protagonist.

By comparison, Holden often comes across as a guy with a strong moral compass but very little depth beyond that. His decision-making sometimes feels naive, and there have been multiple points where I've thought the crew succeeds despite Holden rather than because of him.

What's especially strange is that he's supposed to be the captain and leader, yet he often feels like a leader who has to be led by the people around him. Naomi explains the political realities, Amos provides practical reality checks, and others seem to compensate for his blind spots. At times it feels like Holden is the moral center of the crew, but not necessarily the person I would actually trust to command it.

I understand that part of his role may be to serve as the moral anchor of the story, but as a protagonist I find him significantly less interesting than almost everyone around him. In many scenes, I find myself wishing I were reading the perspective of someone else.

I'm not trying to bash the character or start a flame war. I'm genuinely curious whether this is a common reaction among readers, especially first-time readers around Book 4.

Did Holden eventually "click" for you later in the series, or did you always find the supporting cast more compelling than the nominal main character?

Please avoid spoilers beyond Book 4.

Random bar in nowhere Midwest enjoying a few beverages. TVs everywhere. Swear I heard this…

Today Protogen is enhancing people’s lives through enhanced scientific research etc etc.

PROTOGEN?! Not on my watch! Swing around and stared at the tv.

It’s Prevegon. Some brain health drug they’re promoting.

Close enough made me laugh.

They made some story changes in the series. And to be honest: they work very well!

But one reason why they work so well, is because of the casting.

My question: did the showrunners change the script, to give Drummer or Ashford a bigger role, or introduced Avasarala earlier, because the actors Gee, Strathairn and Aghdashloo knocked it out of the park?

I doubted it for so long and am glad to say I was extremely wrong. It's so incredibly well done and one of my top shows of all time.

I'm reading the books now.

I noticed this today while listening to Memory's Legion for the first time. Im about 97% sure that every other book and novella are written in Third Person using He/She/They pronouns, but The Vital Abyss uses First Person I/Me pronouns with Cortezar. Maybe it went First Person with Marcos but I recently registered so I think I would have noticed it then.

Currently on season 5 again.

I believe Naomi has got to be the most selfish person on the show, every time you turn around it seems she is leaving someone she cares sbout ,then theres the Proto molecule if she had destroyed it like she dhould have i believe Marko's would have been stuck being a deep secret organization unable to bust out like he has so far.

Naomi has pretty much given him his power due to her misguided loyalties to the belt.

" let me just make sure the belt has it too" much like those who thought it was smart to leak all the nuclear bomb secrets , look where that got us. Update edit: .maybe i should be thinking she is more of a unwitting villian/enabler of villianry? I have partaken of some legal herb product and tend to come up with some thoughts that i cant always " flesh out" fully.

Project Hyperion's winner was announced, reminded me of something familiar. Hopefully the Mormons are taking note?

https://www.projecthyperion.org/

I just finished leviathan wakes and was curious if anyone else thought that protegen was extremely unrealistic in its portrayal. On the one hand, they’re able to manipulate the entirety of a human civilization that is much larger and more sophisticated than the current one. They have ships and technology that nobody else does. They have the capacity to murder millions and think they have a good chance of covering it up.
But they thought it was a good idea to place a technology that they don’t understand but do know is incredibly powerful in a place where they know it will become much more powerful? Especially dumb when this technology uses biological material to network and increase complexity. I get that scientists losing control of their experiment with disastrous consequences is a trope as old as science fiction, but this one strained credulity for me.

I am a few episodes away from finishing season 6 and thought "maybe ill just read the last 3.. maybe 4 books" as ive heard season 6 has a lot crammed in to it. And so I did some looking on reddit and the general consensus is read from the start.. and ill be honest.. that sounds painful lol

Basically, I love the roci crew together.. hate them apart. The only character I like separately is Amos. (I could watch a series purely with just him lol) Holden, Naomi and Alex kinda annoy me (Naomi more than the others) so I am not sure i can put myself through all the books ( I want to know the ending though)

My fave characters are Bobbie and Chrisjen. When Bobbie is on the roci I get excited but yeah when they're all apart I struggle and get bored easily.

Should i just take a massive break after I finish the show and down the line read them all or if I dont enjoy the crew separately not bother ?

I honestly dont understand how i love the show so much when I dont really care about the main crew 🤣 doesnt make much sense lol