r/ThePittNoSantosHate

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I’ve been playing Subnautica and for some reason watching that Athlete A documentary about that p*do Larry Nassar and the athletes he abused. not triggering at allll lallalallalalallalaa

also love how oil pastels basically melt in the summer

random question: have any of you ever done competitive sports? the psychology of that is so wild to me. the pressure is unfathomable at the pro level

So this video is looking at past media (which I don't think I'm the only one who saw as problematic at the time. *cough*John Hughes movies*cough*), but it uses that lens to discuss the importance of critiquing the media that we consume and not just interacting with it on a surface level. Does that mean we can't love problematic things? Hell no - One of the examples she cites is Barney from HIMYM, who I love despite knowing he's a deeply misogynistic, manipulative, and shallow person that I would hate to run into IRL and he's not the only example for me personally, which is why folks saying we must hate The Pitt for being critical of it is ridiculous.

>They just consume whatever they're told, given, or shown uncritically, and they take it all at face value. Most people read an article or look at something and think they know everything they need to know to form an opinion without any further inquiry because they assume they have the full picture.
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The sheer number of times I have found myself explaining the subtext, implications, impact, or deeper meaning of a piece of media only to be met with "It's just a show, it's not that serious, it's just a joke, it's not that deep, you're overthinking it!" Or some other vapidly incredulous statement that fails to take into consideration the world around us, and the fact that our media, art, and entertainment both reflect and influence the world around us is astounding.
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if we don't even know what media analysis is, we damn sure don't know why it's important.
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So combine that with the fact that they're also choosing not to watch media they believe is morally bad or conflicts with their values in some way, because they think the media they consume must be a reflection of their own values, and we arrive at the death of media analysis.

P.S. (I will be adding this to the resources page on the wiki as well)

EDIT: it erased my quotation. BOOOOO.

I’ve seen this comment a LOT in the other subs - mainly levied against nuanced/thoughtful critique of Wyle/the show’s decreased quality in s2 and some of the biases that are on display intentionally/unintentionally… do they not get that they’re the stupid half of the fan base? 😂

Edit: I’m glad this became a space for us to vent I always try to engage with those people in good faith because I don’t want to condescend and therefore push them even further from being receptive to critical analysis but good LORD this fan base in particularly can be so unkind to women/WOC (ie the majority of us I would assume) - sometimes we gotta be able to just exhale!

Thoughts on the article, and the elaboration on why Noah Wyle doesn’t think more night shift is a good idea?

I feel like parts of the opinion shared are better (PR-wise) than he has done in recent history - however this part stood out to me:

“You know who works mostly night shift? Mothers,” he went on. “Because they like to be free for their kids [and] to be home during the day. So, it’s a lot less wild and woolly, and a lot more boring and sedate than you would think.”

So much for “We’re the weirdest and the wildest” and the night shift characters we’ve seen so far. I don’t recall seeing a single mother on the night shift - so much for realism.

And perhaps it would be “boring” - but it feels like there’s this undercurrent, all the time, that’s like ‘F you’ to women.

Personally I’d love to see a season where day bleeds into night. For variety of story and characters and to see how shift hand offs go beyond the initial run down, etc.

Thoughts, about the article, about spin offs, about night crew, etc?

I was talking about this with u/dramatic_exit_49 a while back and it's still bothering me, so I figure it might be time to open a space to talk. I don't really have a complete thesis statement, but I'd like to discuss with other fans how this last season and its treatment of Black patients is reading to everyone else.

Something that really bothered me about this last season was the way Black and brown patients were treated. The show likes to talk about how patients of color are impacted by racist treatment, usually by infodumping a statistic during a case. But zooming out from what the show talks about, and looking toward how the show actually treats its patients of color, I feel like we see a different story that is shockingly in line with the conventional ignorance, downplaying, and abuse that patients of color have to face.

I was particularly struck this season by the case of Jackson, the Black law student who has a psychotic episode, is tazed by a security guard, and sedated and strapped down by the hospital. That story was terrifying, but I respected how nuanced the bones of the story immediately were: the college kid having a breakdown, the horrifying sedation response by the hospital, his sister feeling unheard and getting no answers, his parents and the history of mental illness that has not been shared with their kids. There's depth in that story, lots of perspective, and lots of pain.

Except the show did not embrace any of that nuance, or really sit with the horrors being put on this bright, young Black man who had set himself up to thrive. While the security guard is an easy joke, clearly framed as a racist idiot, the show does not similarly question the hospital's immediate response to Jackson by tying him down and sedating him so heavily he is unconscious for most of the rest of the story. No one offers a real explanation to Jackson's sister that justifies this treatment toward him. Tellingly, we never hear Jackson explain himself in his own words. He is sedated and locked away and, offscreen, talks to the white psychiatrist, but beyond "hearing voices" we do not get a real perspective on what Jackson is going through. We mostly hear about him, after sedation, through the interpretation of the white psychiatrist who explains him to his family. Introduced screaming, Jackson is treated violently by hospital staff, muted, and then vanishes. The key character in this story is not treated as a perspective worth listening to.

While this may be subjective, when Jada, Jackson's sister, arrives, the hospital and story seem to treat her as a problem for asking questions. (again, subjective; but it felt like the responses to her from the PItt's doctors were much more dismissive than those reserved for white family members in similarly frightening storylines.) And when Jackson's parents sit down to discuss the hidden history of mental illness in the family, the focus is not on why they might have kept that history hidden, and whether the why is the real horror in this story, but simply that they did and Jada feels betrayed. The inherent moral, as Javadi talks with Jada at the end, is that it is common for families not to discuss mental health and they should; but there is no real examination on the part of the show as to why a Black family might not feel safe even acknowledging mental unwellness, and might distrust disclosing them—even though we just saw what happens when a Black student reveals a mental health issue: he is treated as violent by the hospital, sedated, locked away, and—metatextually—removed from the story itself.

Jackson's was the story that most stood out to me for aiming at pat messaging without actually exploring why its Black characters might not trust the healthcare system. But there were other storylines this season that felt oddly reductive or dismissive of actually exploring Black patients' pain and experience of the healthcare system, even while dropping perfunctory lines about it. Amaya, the woman suffering from extreme pain due to PCOS, takes the time while barely holding on to explain to her two white doctors that she had a hard time getting diagnosed, and mentions offhand it's part of the way women of color are treated by the medical profession. But that's it: after that one line, the story's focus is on McKay as the good doctor, making up for all the "bad" ones and finding the twisted ovary. I wanted to hear more from Amaya! I wanted to see from Amaya what a lifetime of getting dismissive treatment has taught her about the healthcare system, and explore that. Just having characters mention offhand that they do not get listened to is not enough—The Pitt could, and should, be exploring this systematic abuse fully.

The answer that usually comes up in Pitt fanspaces when we talk about patient treatment is that the story is not about the patients, it's about the doctors, and we can't spend time on every single patient. However, that is simply not true, and we see time and again that the show does make space for patient storylines it deems important: Roxy, the white cancer patient this season, took several episodes to quietly slip away. Last season, we spent multiple episodes, with the white kids of the dying old man and the white parents of the fentanyl overdose case; their grief and pain was treated by the doctors within the show and the writers without as something worth respecting, as much-needed rooms and limited episodes were given over to these characters so they could grieve and talk and expand. This season, Jackson's case was clearly important, and did take up several episodes: but not Jackson himself, offscreen and unconscious, and not his family struggling with it. Jackson was reduced to a case study on how schizophrenia can randomly appear, not the disturbing ways our current healthcare system responds to it and certainly not about how racism warps care, turning already horrifying situations into brutal, dehumanizing traumas. Jackson is sick, and vanishes. Amaya is sick, and the white doctor saves her. Louie is sick, and dies, and the story looks to the white characters to talk about it.

I feel like the Pitt loves to talk the talk about being progressive by making a point to speak about how Black patients are ignored, but onscreen itself it continues this history by downplaying, minimizing, or making Black patients out to be problems.

Would love to hear from other fans, particularly Black fans in this sub, if they feel the same way about this or have noticed nuance I missed. full disclosure that I am white, and so may have missed or misinterpreted many things; this post is meant just to open discussion, not be "the" post on this topic, and I hope other people share their impressions and thoughts.

There's been an uptick in completely bullshit bad faith reports lately that are completely abusing the reporting system. (For example: waaaah poor creators is about your asses defending them against literally ANY criticism not an actual critique of how they're handling the show. They're not gonna choose you dudes)

This is a flagrant violation of Reddit's Rule #2, Abuse of reporting channels. This could include:

• Sending a high volume of reports targeting non-violating content in a specific community or by a specific user. 
• Using Reddit’s report feature to send abusive messages to community moderators or Reddit admins.
• Encouraging or coordinating other users to engage in abuse of Reddit’s reporting channels.

As such every single bullshit report will be reported to the Reddit Admins and one of the following will occur (additive, I assume, though you can never tell what mood the mods will be in)

• Send a warning to the user who posted it
• Temporarily ban the user’s account(s) 
• Permanently ban or terminate the user’s account(s)  
• Restrict the creation of new accounts
• Remove privileges from, or add restrictions to, the user’s account(s)

WE GET IT. You dislike critical conversations, but you're going out of your way to come here and bother us. You can LITERALLY IGNORE OUR EXISTENCE. Y'all need a hobby so may I suggest r/Hobbies to help you find a better and more productive one then hate reading this forum.

Y'all really need to learn how to mind your own business. Not everything in life is for you AND THAT'S OK.

^(Seriously who's the one in the parasocial relationship here? Noah Wyle doesn't need you to defend him. He's) ^(fine.)

Edit: that said - if anyone wants to mod hmu

In Season 3 Dr. Mel will be coming into her own under... whatever Pitt authority exists. And her sister Becca will likely continue to become independent, separating further from Mel and from their previous very intertwined life.

Besides the Renn Faire, Boba, and Karaoke, what hobbies do you think Dr. Mel will pick up? I can't see her on the Street Team, she's too bothered by Becca's social life to sink further into Medicine.

S2E2, 18 min in, the doc introduces herself with this pronunciation of her name: "el HAH shee mee".

Everyone else pronounces it "alha SHEE mee".

The only other such egregious mispronunciation was the Evil Capitalist trying to buy Robby back in S1. I can see why Dr. "RAH bin OH vitch" goes by any other nickname (except "Fruitcake").

So will Dr. Al-Hashimi get good nicknames too? Dr. Al is good, but we can do better.

Dr. Hashbrown?

(please note that this is kinda sarcastic, but I'm making a point here)

Robby's mom left him, the Original Sin against Saint Robby.

Gramma Robby died and left Robby only a faith that sustained him less than a fresh-faced ex-student-priest quoting the Bible.

McKay (ankle monitor=giving felon) mothered that poor Incel into a Mandatory Hold.

Dana, who treated Robby like a surrogate mom in S1 is a mean damn snake in S2, no momma here. But she hovers over that homeless man like a mother bird!

Samira's mom is just distractingly awful in S2.

Whitaker's being stolen by that idiot farm girl with her idiot baby. Nobody is happy with that but Whitaker, and we all know Whitaker can't possibly know what's best for him.

And that vile mom who abandoned her baby!

Should we even talk about Dr. Shamsi's mom? SHUDDER!

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Okay, I could go on, but seriously. The Pitt moms get worse than Fridged: they're actively turned into villains to serve the plot. While dads get mostly free passes.

EDIT: S2 E3 36:00. Langdon recites from memory the ending of a blessing on Fatherhood. Like, holy shit, y'all can't even let the OBGYN specialist do her job with either of the obstetric emergencies, Robby's got to get his hands in there (but the women still have to handle the priapism penis WTF!), but you def have time to recite effing paens to fathers. Not sure this could be more obvious.

It takes a big man to stand back and let others shine in their light. Good fathers learn that. Wyle and the writers are... not good at that yet.

one, two, you know what to do! whatever ails, confounds or delights you but doesn’t fit the sub’s usual parameters- this is the thread for it!

This is a really good analysis of why Samira’s departure was so upsetting from a narrative perspective.

Thought we might all find it interesting - the reason season 2 patients felt like they mattered less because they were around for less time. Not my spreadsheet but I thought an interesting discussion could be started based on it. 88 versus 92 is not that huge a different regarding numbers but idk it definitely felt like characters in season two mattered less to me

I’m not really sure how to word my posts anymore because people seem to have issues either way with me

I wanted to list two different opinions in the same post because I didn’t feel like making two separate posts because they are honestly short worded opinions:

My first opinion is I don’t understand Langdon glazers and santos glazers because both have plenty of flaws. And based off of what I’ve seen I don’t understand why some groups baby each individual?

My second opinion is that Langdon’s addiction recovery should have been about Langdon alone. I honestly did not understand the story choice of making it more about how Robby reacts to him coming back. I have not been in that situation before but I don’t think your recovery would be about another person?-