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I think Elizabeth I was the greatest monarchs in the world

I know, she executed people still, but she was literally amazing. The Virgin Queen, she started the British empire and ended her father's bloodline. The most savage thing she did was end her father's bloodline by not marrying. She gave the throne to her cousin, James VI and I. Not gonna lie, he was a great monarch too even though he was out from the Tudor dynasty.

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u/Serious-Fig-2155 — 4 hours ago

Did they ever figure out the Sweat?

Have they ever figured out what causes the sweating illness? I know theres been several theories. I was just curious if there was anything concrete.

I tried to Google but it came up with conspiracy theories and wild theories.

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u/LostCastleStars96 — 20 hours ago

The Rest Is History

Great day at The Rest Is History Festival at Hampton Court today. Ideal venue, interesting speakers and surprisingly good fish and chips!

u/AndyBe11 — 20 hours ago

A portrait of Queen Jane Seymour

I saw this portrait for the first time. I couldn't find when and by whom it was painted. Jane’s clothes are the same as in the portrait painted by Hans Holbein. This is how she can be recognized as Jane.
However, her hair is loose, and she has a hat (?) on her head.

I really liked this portrait.
Finding new portraits always excites me.

u/Suerly-04 — 1 day ago
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Tudor chimneys at Hampton Court Palace

“The building of the palace began in 1514 for Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, Archbishop of York and the chief minister of Henry VIII. In 1529, as Wolsey fell from favour, the cardinal gave the palace to the king to try to save his own life, which he knew was now in grave danger due to Henry VIII's deepening frustration and anger. The palace became one of Henry's most favoured residences; soon after acquiring it, he enlarged it to accommodate his sizeable retinue of courtiers.”

u/anonymouse_loner — 1 day ago

What made Anne Boleyn feel so sure that she would give the king a son?

Now, i want to clarify I’m not an expert on tudor history and I’ve heard that many say that AB was essentially coerced into the marriage. Which in that case obviously this question doesn’t apply, but if it wasn’t like that I wonder what made her feel so sure that she would give the king a son? Regardless if she was coerced or not, we do know that she had a relationship with henry for years before their marriage. We also have to take into account that she couldn’t have possibly expected her fate, if anything, the worst case scenario she probably would’ve thought of, was the king getting a divorce from her. A queen had never before gotten her fate, but even then, what made her feel so sure that she would have a boy?

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u/Evche29 — 2 days ago
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How did Charles Brandon, 1st Duke of Suffolk walk away with his head after committing Treason?

Henry VIII expressly forbade Brandon from pursuing Queen Mary Tudor after she was widowed in France. Despite these orders, Suffolk married the widowed Queen in a clandestine ceremony and in a stroke made himself the King’s brother in law while also committing treason. He even managed to secure the quiet moral support of Francis I of France despite the fact that the widowed Queen could have been a substitute wife for the French king in the event that he chose to repudiate Claude of Brittany.

Henry executed two wives and divorced two over less, so how did the Duke of Suffolk walk away from the incident alive?

u/AdditionalTill9836 — 3 days ago

Bloody Elizabeth

Mary I The Catholic Queen of England is constantly labelled as Bloody. But what about her half sister and brother? They were tyrants too. Don't forget that Elizabeth I patronized slavery. Killed Catholics of Ireland. Did many atrocities which were mostly forgotten by protestants as she was a protestant queen. If Mary I could have live longer, no one could dared to call her bloody. She was more powerful than Elizabeth I. Elizabeth had to wait for her's death until to become the next queen. Mary I deserves the love too. Even after her death, there is no tomb for her. Her father hated her, her siblings hated her, protestants hated her, People used to plot against her to kill her. The only person she loved was took away from her life, her mother COA.

WHAT COULD YOU EXPECT FROM A BROKEN HEART?
All glories to Mary I The First English Queen regnant.

Mary I The Catholic Queen

The Holy Mary of England, Mary I

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u/Different-Gas-9894 — 3 days ago

Has anybody here watched "Carlos, rey emperador"?

It's a Spanish-language TV show covering the reign of Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor. Might not be the best place to ask, but I haven't seen much discourse on the show elsewhere, I think it looks good. Would anyone recommend it? It seems the Tudors also feature (Henry VIII is on the right).

u/Consistent-Ad2333 — 3 days ago

473 years ago today!

On 3 July 1553, Princess Mary was on her way to London when she received news that her brother, King Edward, was dying and that the Duke of Northumberland intended to arrest her. She immediately turned back and fled into Hertfordshire.

“...but it is to be feared that as soon as the King is dead they will attempt to seize the Princess, as I said in former letters. She was warned by a friend yesterday that she had better go further away into the country; and it has been decided that it will be wiser for her to retire to her house of Framlingham in Norfolk, sixty miles from London. She is at present at Hunsdon, twenty miles from London, where it would be much easier to seize her. She has confidence in her friends in Norfolk.”
— 4 July 1553, Jehan Scheyfve to the Emperor

“Beyond this we have been informed that he intends to seize my Lady Mary, and that he has men ready to do so as soon as the King dies. For this reason the lady has retired to Kenninghall, which is distant some sixty miles from this place, taking as an excuse a dangerous illness that has struck some of her servants. She believes she will be safer there than she would be nearer London. As she is loved throughout the kingdom, especially in the region where she now resides, and as she has the support of several gentlemen and others devoted to her and hostile to the Duke, she hopes to shelter herself from the first storms and disturbances and avoid being arrested as easily as she would have been had she remained near the Court.”
— 7 July 1553, Jehan Scheyfve to the Emperor

This is one of the moments in history I would most like to witness if I could travel back in time.

By this point Mary had been removed from the line of succession for the third time in twenty years. Although her future was uncertain when she fled, she was only days away from becoming queen.

However, I must also say that the Duke of Northumberland’s audacity still astonishes me. After all, he should have learned from the fates of Edward and Thomas Seymour.

Thank you for reading, and my best wishes to everyone!

u/Suerly-04 — 3 days ago

Mary Boleyn...was she a secret or pretty known in court w/ HenryVIII

So we know Henry had to request dispensation in attempt to marry Anne and let the Church know he had relations with family member, I suppose Anne knew and wasn't surprised if she was still communicating with Mary (with apparent advise not to be like Mary and keep Henry hanging on til could get further advantages for Boleyns) but did the court know? Or just accepted that Henry had mistresses and it was no secret?

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u/AdditionalTill9836 — 3 days ago

The Forgotten Betrothal of Edward VI

In July 1551, the French marshal Saint‑André visited the English court, ostensibly to award Edward VI the prestigious Order of Saint Michael, but in reality to negotiate a marriage between the 13‑year‑old king and the 6‑year‑old Elisabeth de Valois. Here is what Edward wrote in his diary:

“After this they supped with me, talked after supper, had some entertainment, and went home. … The same evening my lord marshal Saint‑André supped with me; after supper he was present at a joust (a dozen courses)… The next morning he came to see me draw up in ranks, viewed my bedchamber, went hunting with hounds, saw me shoot, and saw all my guard shoot at once. He supped with me, heard me play on the lute, saw me ride, came into my study, supped with me again, and then went to Richmond.”

After long negotiations over the dowry, the parties agreed to the betrothal. Early the following year, Edward sent his six‑year‑old bride a “fair diamond” from the jewel collection of the late Katherine Parr. But what had paved the way for this?

Following the peace settlement concerning Boulogne in March 1550, the two sides exchanged portraits. About half a year later, the imperial ambassador Simon Renard wrote:

“Guidotti presented the queen with a portrait of the king of England, recently brought by a courier. The queen reciprocated by sending to Guidotti Madame Perron, governess of the princesses, with a portrait of her eldest daughter, who was delighted by a young lady named Elisabeth, who is in the queen’s service.”

The next update came in March 1551:

“I can assure Your Majesty that the proposed marriage of the king of England to the princess of France is certainly being discussed, and that the constable has spoken of it and conducted negotiations on the matter. It is also known that the princess, in whose chambers hangs the king’s portrait, often stands before it and says to her mother, the queen: ‘I have wished good day to the king of England, my lord.’”

This cluster of events — the exchange of portraits, the diplomatic reports, the careful cultivation of personal ties — formed the backdrop against which the formal betrothal of Edward VI and Elisabeth de Valois was arranged in the summer of 1551, a project that would never come to fruition after the young king’s death in 1553.

( I apologize for any potential errors in the text; I wrote it using a mix of my own English knowledge and a translator. )

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u/PuzzleheadedBit9505 — 3 days ago

July 3, 1557 – Philip of Spain Leaves England Forever

From the start, Mary's marriage to him was a disaster - for her and England. On the plus side, it provided an important example for Elizabeth (of the "what not to do" variety)!

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u/janethequene — 3 days ago
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Couples Counseling in Henry VIII’s Castle

Guys, I just started watching Last Resort and this whole set up is killing me. The idea of couples counseling in a castle owned by Henry VIII is absolutely batshit insane. Why didn’t they do more with it??

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u/Calluna_v — 4 days ago

A letter from Queen Mary to Queen Mary

“Labeled: To madam, my good sister, the Queen of England.
Endorsed: The young Scottish queen to the queen’s majesty.

Madam, my good sister,

Since the Sieur d’Oysel (Sir Henri Cleutin), the king’s lieutenant in Scotland (referring to Henri II), is returning. I have requested him, in passing through your kingdom, to visit you from me, and thank you, as I do most affectionately, for the kindly friendship of which you give me assurance in your last letter, and to tell you that for my part I have determined to correspond to it so sincerely that, if it please God, there shall be a perpetual remembrance that there were two queens in this island at the same time, as united in inviolate friendship as they are in blood and near lineage. About which, and about all which he will give you to understand from me, I pray you, my good sister, to believe him just as you would the very person of

Your good sister and cousin,

Marie”

I searched extensively for the letter that Mary, Queen of Scots, mentions in her own letter as having been written by Queen Mary of England, but unfortunately I was unable to find it. It is possible that it was lost at the French court.

This letter was written in 1554, and at that time Mary, Queen of Scots, was living in France. I am quite certain that Queen Mary of England was not entirely pleased with this situation.

However, the future is always uncertain. I often wonder how Queen Mary of England would have felt had she been able to see what would happen to Mary, Queen of Scots. I think she would have been deeply saddened.

Four years after this letter, Queen Mary of England died. Two years later, the husband of Mary, Queen of Scots, the King of France, also died. Eight years later, Mary returned to England, and nineteen years after that she was executed in England and buried in Peterborough Cathedral, where Queen Katherine of Aragon was also laid to rest.

Her remains were later moved and reinterred at Westminster. To be honest, I would have preferred Queen Mary of England to be buried beside Mary, Queen of Scots, rather than beneath Queen Elizabeth.

The second image shows the prayer book that I have shared before. This prayer book was originally made for Queen Mary of England, but after Mary's death and after Mary Stuart arrived in England, it was given to her.

Its cover bears the Tudor rose and the pomegranate, the symbol of Catherine of Aragon.

Thank you for reading. Sending my love to everyone!

Source:
TudorsDynasty.com — by rebeccallarson

u/Suerly-04 — 4 days ago

Any historical fiction that has a sympathetic portrayal of Catherine Fillol?

All in all, Catherine Fillol's portrayal in Tudor historical fiction from what I've seen so far always portrays her being complicit in the adulterous relationship with Edward Seymour's father, John Seymour (even though there's no actual historic proof that she was guilty of this). Even if she was in fact having a long-term affair with John Seymour, given the power dynamics and status of women in the era, I think a case could be made that John Seymour had all the power and upper hand in the scenario and did not suffer the harsh consequences that Catherine clearly did with her inheritance and ending up in a nunnery, if those were in fact consequences of the affair.

So I'm just curious if there have been any historical fiction books written where there is a more nuanced portrayal of Catherine or even if she is written as not, in fact, being involved in the affair?

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u/WerewolfBarMitzvah09 — 3 days ago

Opinion on whether Henry III loved his wifes

Edit: people yes i mean henry the eighth i just forgot the V

Many always say he never loved any of his wifes and here’s my take: I believe he loved catherine of aragon most of their marriage, especially when they first wed as they were both young and hopeful, with a new dynasty, they both hoped for heirs that ended up not happening, many forget he didn’t have to marry her and many opposed but he loved her and chose to marry her. Many when thinking of henry, think he wasn’t capable of love because of what happened, but i simply believe he became a tyrant much later, possibly because of his injury. Not that he was sane but you get my point. Many think he couldn’t love, he just fell out of love with catherine, as people today do, At the break point of his first marriage, he probably didn’t even care for love anymore, just having a child, as for the other queens, i do think he was just infatuated and after a couple of them, bored. After going through tremendous amount of change for Anne boleyn, he figured out he could do whatever he wanted, earlier on in his reign, I’m sure he couldn’t change a wife just cause, but later figured out he could divorce for the simplest things. With the first 3 he actually tried, the other 3 he had simply for fun, I’m also aware he wasn’t even interested in taking a wife after jane but was recommended to by his council or whomever. He started divorcing them just cause.

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u/Evche29 — 5 days ago