I think my perspective is we can complete a project in 2 days using ai tools, and we can get a solution in 2 days but do you think doing this thing repeatedly it's like a addictive routine. See the thing is having a idea and building it into a website or solution is not the problem. But how far is it true without having proper foundations or proper architecture on the website we are buidling ? How reliable will it be ?

I see a lot of people discussing vibe coding and what actually constitutes a moat, and I think a lot of people are looking at this way too narrowly and ignoring some pretty important aspects of human nature.

The idea that simple ideas are dead, that if you can build an app in 30 minutes, nobody will ever pay for it because they can just vibe code their own version, is frankly ridiculous to me.

I know plenty of people who don’t even know what a browser is. I even know technical people (in different domains) who look at the process of cloning a repository and think, “wow, this is a lot.”

The people who would seriously think, “why would I pay for this when I can just vibe code it myself?” are mostly people inside a very AI-fluent bubble that represents a tiny portion of the actual world.

And even then, building something that technically works is not the same as building good software.

There are still all of the boring necessary hoops involved in making a simple application actually secure and reliable. You have to choose a stack, build the backend and frontend, handle authentication, storage, deployment, security, updates, edge cases, and everything else that comes with operating software.

Unless you’re literally just bootstrapping some ugly internal tool to copy the functionality, you also have to design a good UI, make hundreds of little product decisions, and work through trade-offs that compound as the feature set grows.

If your target audience is developers, I understand the argument more. But even developers are lazy in the normal human sense, they have their own projects and things they would rather spend their time doing.

And if you are selling to developers, the bar is arguably even higher. They care about architecture, security, ownership, extensibility, integrations, and whether the product actually fits into the way they work. A lot of them may want to own the thing themselves anyway, which is part of why I don’t even think developers are always the best target audience for this kind of simple app.

For everyone else, the argument gets even weaker.

Most people barely want to write a good prompt.

They’ll type one sentence into ChatGPT, get a mediocre response, decide AI isn’t that useful for that task, and close the laptop. The idea that these same people are suddenly going to design, build, debug, secure, deploy, and maintain their own software because vibe coding exists seems completely disconnected from how normal people behave.

People pay for convenience. They pay for polish. They pay for something that already works. They pay so they don’t have to think about how it works.

So to me, “they can just vibe code my app” is a pretty weak reason not to build something, and in most cases if your app is not growing you have a distribution and sales problem not an idea problem.

Curious what others think.

I noticed people who manifest resistance to change regarding adoption of AI have impulsive reactions on Reddit (and similar forums) by naming your work slop if any vibe coding was involved or finding any trace of relationship between AI and your code. For me vibe coding becomes slowly synonym of slop and the other way around due to such feedback.
Same time I wonder how much affordability (precisely the non-affordability) of the subscriptions creates a vicious cycle. I think with 20$/month you cannot get good insight of the scale agents can help you to solve complex problems. If you do not try and learn by doing you cannot have a good evaluation and healthy opinion about the added value, you may end up with a random negative opinion and will end up just generating hate.
Wonder why people fail to see the creative ideas behind 'vibe coded' projects. At the end a great idea written with help of AI can be still cleaned up if it really has added value.

And I barely know what I’m doing with the tool. It’s been a week.
I imagine it’s only a matter of time before the brass in my company figures this all out. Is it months? Years? Do I just enjoy the free time it will afford me or do I figure out a way to make money off of it while I still can?

Where do I go from here?

I keep hearing people say we are actually agentic engineers or ai augmented engineers as we understand the code. Why do we keep ourselves one position lower to begin with. We vibe code using agents. So we are literally agentic engineers. I know karpathy has a different definition but agentic engineering literally means engineering using agents and we are already using it. It's time we start to call ourselves that and stop this self diminishment.

12 year old vibe coders are mogging engineers that spent years writing sophisticated code. These engineers put a lot of effort to improve their craft, getting funny titles like grandmaster on codeforces, making a reputation in open source community ....

Yet they are outshined by 12 year old vibe coders. Do u think they will retaliate against vibe coders out of jealousy?

We all vibe code apps and websites but how do i actually test it for vulnerabilities, security bugs, loopholes for hackers. How can i make sure my app or software is safe. I know there are tools like code rabbit. Are there any open source free tools for this. Please do share if you know.

I’ve noticed that one of the hardest parts of vibe coding isn’t building the app: it’s getting people outside your circle to use it.

So we built Feedbacked.

You create a short survey for your app or website, and we send real people to try the product before answering your questions. You add audit questions that check whether they actually used and understood the product. Responses that fail verification are discarded and replaced.

We’re currently trying to learn how useful this is.

Anyone from this subreddit who signs up as a startup and verifies their email will get five real people to test their product for free (please wait for an email to give you the offer, it might take a few days.

No purchase is necessary. In return, I’d appreciate honest feedback on:

• Whether the setup process makes sense
• Whether the responses are genuinely useful
• What would make the platform better for builders

https://feedbacked.org/

I think I can. Trying this on my local PC with 2070 Super

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Hey Hi

IActually, I always wanted to build something from my childhood but never tried to create one. Now, I have a chance to give time to my passion. But the obstacle is that, I cant code at all, and also I dont know about marketing or Seo.

The only thing is that My idea and a passion.

Some of vai brothers are really motivating they always inspire to start, vibe coding will manage everything.

If, its possible. Then, is there any real life guideline from you guys? (Step by step process for a full beginner in terms of vibe coding as well as seo+marketing) that will really helpful for ape in.

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Hi guys. 16 year old here. Zero code experience. Recently see many people vibecoding entire saas projects. Determined to launch my own within 2 months. So I have 2 months to build a project. Not that complex, no payment gateway integration yet. Plan to do manual payment verification. I don't prefer telling exact idea. But it's just simple ai saas for a niche. Need an admin dashboard, Google Auth and connection to a cheap LLM. How do I go on building this. Suggest me a workflow. (Can't spend so much on cursor, does ai studio+ firebase work. Tried lovable it's just not up to the mark, AI studio is decent, but somehow it's not very accurate, any prompting advice? Please help me out thx in advance!

HI,

Just wanted to somewhat blow some steam here, im just tired but i know this is really how it goes. So i have been building some app i have 2 now btw. The first one i was having problem on its payment gateway i have some solutions that i read already but i paused that one.

As i was doing an app that i would love to publish on google play. Vibe coding is not easy, I do have some little background on coding but that was college days C++ lol. And been really wanted to be a programmer but life happens so after 18 years and technology evolve i found out about Vibe Coding i didnt even know that was it called before.

And i just started it on the web app that i paused, and i like it. But its not easy like they said that you can do over the weekend maybe for some people who have heavy knowledge about coding.

But the technology now really helps but its not just about telling ai what you want, you still the one who create the structure of the app, security, testing, registration here and there, reading some things i didnt know exist.

I was just a user of apps before and now i appreciate more the developers behind it, now may seems somewhat easier but before these vibe coding i cant image the coder like typing down the codes themselves. Debugging and figuring out where it breaks or what line was missing lol! creating files the DB, Auth and everything.

so yeah just blowing some steams here. But love doing what ido now even though here and there i bumped to errors.

So lets just continue learning and creating.!

Hey man, I'm working on my project, and I'm facing a problem. I can't write production level code. My code often breaks during the development pipeline, while integrating APIs, connecting API keys, and handling other backend issues.

How do experienced developers prevent these kinds of problems?

I understand system design and software architecture fairly well, but I'm not very confident in writing production quality code.

Right now, I'm using Claude Code. Are there any other AI coding tools that are as good as Claude, or maybe free or more affordable? I've heard about Kimi and DeepSeek.

Which one is better for writing production quality code? I'd really appreciate your advice.

So, I have been a fullstack dev from last 8-10 years, I’ve been trying VibeCode for a while now.

I believe I am good at it, but as vibecoder (tech or non-tech), what would you suggest to new vibecoders in the market ?