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Creative Expression at WRITING BATTLE is Dead

Creative Expression at WRITING BATTLE is Dead

This is length and I apologize in advance. But I've got a few things to say. A lot has been said about u/writingbattle recently and most of it is true.

My name is Kevin S. I'm a longtime Raven. I'm a former winner (although, you wouldn't know this because out of sheer pettiness and spite, they have removed me from the "past winners" list). I've been in the Final Showdown a number of times. Incidentally, my piece for the Solstice Owl comp has qualified for the Final Showdown... not that I will get to actually participate in the Final Showdown because I have been banned.

I got the condescending, unprofessional, and petty email today informing me of my permanent ban with the final line reading, "We do not wish to have you as a customer now or in the future." (my understanding is that quite a few people got that email today).

So, what was my crime? What horrendous thing did I do to trigger the banhammer?

I wrote a story.

For a long time now, I have been one of WB's biggest cheerleaders. I've brought several people into the comp. I was active in the forum, encouraging writers, engaging with a ton of people. I loved everything about the community and have sung its praises from the rooftops.

Lately though, after Max brought staff on board, specifically Nick, I noticed a sharp decline in the community feeling around WB. Posts were being deleted. Users were being banned. For me, it cast a chill over the entire community. I had the temerity to write a post in the (now defunct) forum verbalizing as much. What ensued was a very thoughtful, civil discussion about freedom of expression and the feeling of rising censorship. One user even posted a very good discussion of it here on Reddit.

Eventually, Nick jumped into the thread and proceeded to gaslight us, insisting that comments were not being deleted... when we could all see that comments were being deleted. Eventually, he shut the entire post down. Fine. As WB's resident censor/book burner, it was his prerogative. Whatever. I moved on.

Fast forward to these last couple of weeks. The community was the best thing WB had going for it. I've made some fantastic friends. But to deal with the "malcontents" mass bannings ensued and then they shut down the forum entirely... which kind of proves the point that free expression has no home at Writing Battle. In that thread I linked to above, you can see Writing Battle admin jump in and continue to gaslight people. "“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

And of course, the bootlickers and other mods jumped in to shout people down. Some of those mods (who are *such* a great representation of Writing Battle) then deleted some of their more vitriolic and rude comments... which, yet again, proves the point we were making.

So, let's get back to today. I received an email this morning, informing me that my Solstice Raven story has been removed and I am banned from the site. I have literally done *nothing* wrong. Nothing that violates their ever changing "rules." (although, I'm sure they will have made something up to justify banning all the people who've been banned today).

The *only* thing they can point to that I have done is, as I said, write a story. What I wrote was a 500 word satire about the current drama. No names were used. No specific incidents were cited. It was a story set in a purely fictitious town, involving purely fictitious people and Writing Battle was never mentioned anywhere in those 500 words.

It's. Fucking. Satire.

This is the piece that got me banned if you are interested in reading.

Their mass bannings go to prove the point about censorship first mentioned on the WB forum (RIP) then underscored on the above linked Reddit post.

WB touts themselves as a "league for writers." But they fail to understand that literally *everything* is within a writer's scope. If my satire can get me banned, what will be the next type of writing they disapprove of? They should be more honest accurate and call themselves, a "league for writers we approve of." If my satire can get me banned, anything can get you banned.

As a personal note to u/writingbattle (Nick and Max)... honestly, boys, if you are SO fucking thin skinned that you can't handle any sort of critique OR a completely fictional satirical story, then you clowns have no business running a very public business/contest. If a satirical piece can get under your skin and hurt your feelers so much that you feel you have to ban the person who wrote it, you boys really need to grow a pair and grow up. It's pathetic. And it shows so much about you both... and none of it flattering.

I'm sure the bootlickers will show up in this thread to shout me down. Whatever. Everything I've said here is factually correct. And your defense of the indefensible says more about you than it does about me. So, y'all have fun in that fucking echo chamber.

Also, I have already emailed support about this issue, but as I mentioned above, my Solstice Owl piece is in the Final Showdown and I have demanded that it be pulled. I will not participate in this farce. They assured me that they will "inform me if I win any cash," but given the Admin's lack of accountability and transparency, as well as their meritless banning of me, I do not trust the results will be true and fair. I do not believe they won't juke the results. After all, how awkward would it be for them to have somebody they just banned (for no reason) win their genre? So, yes, call me a tin foil hatter if you wish, but I do not trust Writing Battle Admin to not put their thumb on the scales and roll out the results they prefer.

So, since I'm pretty sure WB Admin will read this, or their Mods, who seem to revel in secretly screenshotting other users and sending them back to Admin like the immature, bootlicking, high school shitheads they are, I will say again, I want my Solstice Owl piece pulled and to be refunded for this battle since A) I am still a participant and B) I do not trust you to roll out legit results.

In closing, I could not suggest more strongly that if you're thinking about joining Writing Battle, you would be better off taking that 30 bucks they charge you to enter and wiping your ass with it. Odds are, it'll feel better in the end.

Nick, Max... sayonara and GFY.

u/CaliScribe — 17 hours ago

Looking for Romance Writers (with publishing goal)

I’m looking to connect with other romance writers who are actively working toward publishing their manuscripts, whether you're aiming for traditional publishing or self-publishing or what have you.

I’m currently in a great local in-person writing workshop group where we critique and motivate each other, but I really want to build an online circle specifically tailored to romance authors as I don't know anyone else writing romance. If there’s enough interest, we can start up a cozy, dedicated Discord server together for regular chats, sprints, and accountability. I'm also more than happy to join another discord if there is one? Please only comment, as I won't see direct messages.

I'm in my thirties and looking to connect with other adults. I'm currently writing a horromance novel I'd like to maybe at least get to querying very soon!

Genre: All things romance! (fantasy romance, romantic suspense, historical romance, rom-com, dark romance, horror-romance, etc.). Long-form (novels) only.

Goals & Expectations: To serve as an encouragement hub and sounding board for authors on the path to publication. We can share industry updates, brainstorm plot holes, host writing sprints, and do optional critique/feedback swaps, etc.

Experience Level: All levels welcome, as long as you are actively writing a project you intend to publish.

Meeting Place: Discord

Max Size: 20? keep it active enough but also the possibility of being a tight community

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u/NFT-Butters — 18 hours ago

What's a writing tool I can use that won't be search through by AI

This could sound like a dumb or overly anxious question, I appreciate any patience and responses. I've only ever written with Google Docs, but I have been exploring very personal ideas as of late and would like them to stay mine. Does anyone have any software they recommend that AI won't be sifting through?

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u/unknown_user162 — 2 days ago

I'm doing a rebellion against mainstream media with my story!

Firstly, protagonist exceptionalism

Most media make protagonist exceptionalism and don't let them make mistakes, or they are the only person left from a lineage of ancient gods or something

Like Naruto where he is a hokage that is the son of a hokage that is the reincarnation of a demi god

Or tanjiro who is a descendant of what is essentially the god of demon slayers

Or Luffy who is a reincarnation of the sun god

My protagonist makes mistakes

Big ones

He loses evidence to his recklessness and isn't special in any way (except being smart maybe)

And most importantly, doesn't have plot armour

He is just your average Joe who was unfortunate enough to be thrown into this hazard that is called my story

Secondly, kids exceptionalism

In most media they treat kids as a red line

They either don't hurt them or cut the scene (I know full metal alchemists exist)

That's not how real life is

Like in spiderman building and dipries are falling and people dying and he get to that one stupid standing kid and saves them as if there are a dozens out there literally squashed

In my story, my protagonist straight up accidentally shot his daughter in the head

Thirdly, antagonist exceptionlism

In most media, the villain loses and then gets the saddest backstory imaginable then turns them badass or make the audience forget the atrocities they did or even feel empathy

In my story

The antagonist yes has a sad backstory

But I made it in a way that the person who experienced the sad backstory and the person who is killing are essentially two different personalities in two different times of the same person

Making it that the audience can't decide weither to feel empathy for them or feel disgusted by their actions since they are technically two different people

And conflict creates argument

And argument creates engagement

Lastly, female exceptionalism

In most western media, I see them trying to force out female characters to be perfect and strong at everything without any kind of vulnerability

Ray from star wars is a giant in This

In this aspect I would put the blame more to western media than to all media, because at least in demon slayer we have Shinobu who recognizes her own physical weakness and renovates things with her sword

In my universe the antagonist is a girl who kills for fun and so smart that no one literally can out smart her

But she at the end loses to being just A bit careless with her emotions

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u/Ender_Gamer7433 — 1 day ago

Looking for a Small Writing group or Writing buddies

Hi I am KT(22M), I enjoy writing and would love create or be a part of a small community of writers to chat, exchange feedback and discuss ideas with.

* Genre/s: Any, I write fantasy

* Goals: Goal is to Discuss ideas, exchange feedback, keep each other accountable and have fun.

* Writing/experience level: Any

* Meeting place: Discord

* Max size: 10

The core idea is to just discuss what we write, help each other if needed, have fun and keep each other accountable.

Feel free to dm or drop a comment, Thanks.

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u/TK_0707 — 1 day ago

Help Me Decide My Fairy Characters’ Size and Looks

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I’m developing a fantasy story where fairies are the main magical species, and I’m trying to decide how their size should work.
My idea is that fairies are naturally very small, but some are born to normal human parents who are capable of having fairy children. These children are born and grow up at normal human size, allowing them to live in the human world.
Around 12–13, during puberty, their fairy traits begin developing and they start shrinking toward their natural fairy size. Before they become small, a government official comes to them and gives them a magical gemstone.
For most fairy children, the gemstone is not implanted. Instead, they can have the gemstone turned into something they can wear, such as a ring, necklace, bracelet, or another piece of jewelry. The gemstone allows them to remain human-sized and potentially switch between their normal human-sized appearance and their natural small fairy form.
However, my main character is different. I’m considering having his gemstone implanted into his body, rather than having it turned into jewelry like everyone else’s. I’m currently thinking about having it implanted in his forehead, but I’m wondering if another location would make more sense or be more interesting.
My main character is one of these children. He grows up in the human world before discovering that he’s a fairy.
So I’m trying to decide a few things:
Should my main character have an implanted gemstone, while other fairy children simply receive gemstones that can be turned into jewelry?
If his gemstone is implanted, where should it be placed? I’m currently leaning toward his forehead, but I’m open to other ideas.
Should fairies actually be naturally small, or should I make them human-sized?
If fairies are naturally small, would that make worldbuilding more difficult since they are the main civilization in my story and have things like schools, government, families, jobs, buildings, transportation, and other parts of society?
What size should other magical creatures be? Should creatures like elves, dwarves, goblins, merfolk, giants, dragons, and other magical species have their own natural sizes, or should most magical creatures be roughly human-sized?
I’m currently leaning toward making fairies naturally small, but I’m wondering if that would make the worldbuilding harder since fairies are the main civilization in my story.
Which options would you choose, especially for my main character’s implanted gemstone and its location?

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u/KeyOk683 — 2 days ago

Project Idea

I am working on a project, it's a visual novel style audio series based on DC comics characters. Is that something people would watch/listen to?

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u/Prize_Problem_3485 — 3 days ago

How do I describe a picture like this one?

In my WIP, after a sex scene, I want to paint a picture like THIS one. I'm not sure how to describe it. Right after the sex, both participants are lying on their backs, so how do I word the motion the woman does to change position? My wording was: She switched to lying on her stomach, propped herself up on her elbows, and ran her fingers through his chest hair.

However, my beta reader disagrees. She said, "How can she be propped up on her elbows and run her fingers through his chest at the same time?"

Do you agree my wording is confusing? If so, how should I reword the part?

u/dreamchaser123456 — 3 days ago

What story structure would work best for the first entry in a long fantasy series?

I'm writing the first volume in a fantasy series featuring a young protagonist who finds a secret world and gets accepted to a school for the gifted. The series follows an overarching narrative with various subplots, character arcs, antagonists, and events that intertwine to form a cohesive whole. For the first volume, however, I'm thinking about what kind of story structure I should employ.

I'm leaning towards something like:

  • A classic three-act structure
  • The Hero's Journey
  • A five-act structure
  • Save the Cat! beats
  • A seven-point structure
  • A more serialized structure where the main character faces multiple smaller conflicts that are linked to a larger one

Or something else?

I'm looking for something that will help me realize the first volume as a self-contained whole while also serving as an introduction to the larger work ahead, as a serialized piece. How would you approach it?

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u/KeyOk683 — 4 days ago

New Writing Buddy

* Genre/s: dark fantasy romance

* Goals/expectations/commitment: casual

* Writing/experience level: proficient

* Meeting place: phone/text/discord

* Max size: any number

New Writing Buddy

Hi, my name is Carolynne. A little about myself, I'm an author with two traditionally published books and I have a Bachelor's of Art in English. I write dark fantasy romance. I am looking for a casual new writing buddy. I mostly enjoy reading my story aloud and vise versa and swapping suggestions and what not, but I'm open to anything. I prefer phone/text, but I can also create a discord if that is a more comfortable option. DM me if interested, can provide phone number/create discord.

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u/CarolynneAnn — 4 days ago

Seeking a writing buddy!

Hi I'm Allie, 28F, I've been struggling with motivation and inspiration to write. I'd love a writing buddy to get my creative juices flowing again, someone to talk writing with, bounce ideas off of, help keep accountable, and be involved in each others protects. My current project is a YA fantasy with a romance subplot and it's in the brainstorming/outlining stage.

  • Genre/s: fantasy romance
  • Goals/expectations/commitment: Looking for something longer term, where a friendship forms and we can support each other throughout. Please only comment if you'd be committed to chatting at least once a week. I appreciate that things come up that we don't foresee, I'm very flexible, but I am hoping to work together long term!
  • Writing/experience level: No experience level needed, I've been writing for a long time and now working toward publishing eventually. Someone 18+ and female is preferred.
  • Meeting place: Discord (not looking to make a group at this time, but more to support each other one-on-one)

Comment below or DM me if you're interested! Looking forward to building friendships!

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u/adawnwriter4 — 5 days ago

Really lacking motivation

Hi everyone! I've dreamed of writing and publishing a book since I was young, which I'm sure is a common dream for many of us. I've had countless ideas over the years, but I've been working on and rewriting one particular novel for about seven years now.

The problem is, whenever I look into publishing, I get really demotivated by how difficult traditional publishing seems. I know self-publishing is always an option, but I've always dreamed of being traditionally published, and lately it feels like that dream is becoming unrealistic.

My fear that my writing isn't "good enough" or that I'll never be accepted is really holding me back from finishing. How do you get over that fear? And is it genuinely worth pursuing traditional publishing, or is it almost hopeless?

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u/samxxb30 — 4 days ago

What actually motivates you to write when you don’t feel like writing?

Hi writers!!! It’s me again! I have another question for you guys.

What actually keeps you writing, especially on the days when you really don’t feel like doing it?

Is it discipline? A deadline? Word-count goals? A routine? Music? Other writers? Wanting to finish the story? Just being excited about what happens next?

And when you’ve been away from a story for a while, what usually gets you to come back to it?

I’m also curious if there’s anything you’ve tried.... streaks, writing apps, rewards, timers, challenges, etc.... that was supposed to motivate you but it actually didn’t.

I’m trying to understand what real writers actually respond to especially over the months or years it can take to finish a book.

I don't think there's a right answer here. I’m interested in what genuinely works for you, even if the answer is weird and inconsistent, or just “I force myself to sit down.”

I'll do my best to integrate it on the app that I'm building if possible. I'm not promising anything though.

Thank you in advance.

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u/SoloAnoProject — 4 days ago

Looking for a small active romance discord!

Hello! I was curious about finding a small writing group, or just some people to be friends with. Im 33, and was hoping to find a group with some older folks.

Im a new writer, been writing seriously for over a year. I've been working on a slice of life smutty romance with anthropomorphic characters.

A few of my hobbies include collecting rocks, collecting candles, collecting die-cast cars ... I love to collect things apparently. And hanging out with my husband <3

* Genre/s: romance

* Goals/expectations/commitment: I would love to critique or beta read (only romance though, im not very familiar with other genres). I would hope the community is pretty active. Im not looking good for anyone to read my work, but its always a plus. Really, just need some help with motivation.

* Writing/experience level: beginner, intermediate

* Meeting place: discord

* Max size: 20

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u/FluffyCurse — 5 days ago

Lookin to yap and exchange ideas

I'm a fantasy writer, I love talking to people as it's a part of my job. I'm awesome to talk to and I think I give good feedback, especially with character, motivation, narrative direction. I'm looking for a small group (no more than 20 people) who think similarly and love to talk about what they're working on, and how they intend to do it. If I'm not yapping, I'm a good sounding board as well. I'm not an expert, but I'm adequate and trying to be better than I was the day before.

Genre- any

Goals - yap and exchange ideas and help with direction and development. Ideally to talk over voice and organize sprints

Experience- a few years on and off and now a few months consistently. Amateur hobbyist(?)

Meeting place - discord server/groupchat/ actual phone conversations. Just anything where I can talk to one or more people.

Number of people- less than 20.

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u/Lazzer_Glasses — 5 days ago
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Any other 30+ women writing suspense/thrillers with a million other responsibilities?

I’m probably going to delete this but I'm forcing myself to get out there a little. I’d love to find some other 30+ women working on their debut novels and hoping to traditionally publish someday. We have jobs, families, an exorbitant amount of protein to consume etc. But somehow carve out time to write something that fills our cup.

Mostly just looking for a few writer friends who get it, and maybe eventually swapping chapters if it feels like a good fit.

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u/JustWriteItAllDown — 6 days ago

Seeking SMALL writing group

Hi, my name is Haley. I'm 31 and I've been writing for my friends for years. The problem with writing for friends is they always say the nicest things, which isn't actually that helpful. I'm looking for something more serious a small group where we can actually dig into what's working and what's not, plot-wise.

I'm currently juggling several stories at once and flip between them regularly, but I'd be open to sharing one or two with the group on a rotating basis.

  • Genre/s: Romance, Dark Romance, Supernatural Romance
  • Goals/expectations/commitment: Looking for a small group for regular and plot discussion — not just cheerleading. Ideally people who can commit to reading and giving real feedback maybe a couple times a month.
  • Writing/experience level: Amateur, but serious about improving
  • Meeting place: Discord
  • [Writing groups only] Max size: 5

If this sounds like your kind of group, drop a comment or DM me. I would like to chat a little and get to know the people who want to join, before moving over to discord. I want it to feel like an honest friend group of writers all working towards better books!

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u/Thecometnamedhaley — 4 days ago
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Nicknames in books

So I see a lot of hate towards any nicknames online like in TikTok and stuff but I think having a nickname is cute if it’s not overused so I wanted to see everyone’s opinions on the ones in my book series just trying to figure it out before they are fully out what makes a nickname weird in fiction and what is cute😭

Zahra- he’s Tunisian and speaks Arabic and she loves flowers pretty self explanatory

Dove- she’s albino with all white hair and pale skin and is very gently but it’s a reference because in her grandparents book her grandfather calls her also albino grandmother swan(also because her last name means swan in Russian)

Busy bee/Nika/Niki- her name is Veronika but her boyfriend sometimes calls her a busy bee because she’s an er nurse

Mousy/LoenaMoona- mousy because she is deaf and has a squeaky voice but it’s only really used in teasing context and her name is Loena which is pronounced Luna and just means moon in Dutch

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u/ReplacementAfraid192 — 4 days ago

The writers who improve fastest are not the ones who write the most and I think understanding why matters more than most productivity advice acknowledges

Something I have watched play out in writing communities over several years and want to put somewhere useful.

Output volume and improvement rate are not the same thing and treating them as equivalent is probably the most common mistake serious writers make. The advice to write every day is genuinely useful but it is incomplete in a way that matters because it addresses quantity without addressing what determines whether the quantity produces growth.

The writers I have watched improve most visibly share something that has nothing to do with how much they write. They are unusually honest about what is not working in their own work and unusually specific about why. Not just this scene feels flat but this scene feels flat because the character wants something I have not established clearly enough for the obstacle to create real pressure.

That specificity is the thing. Vague dissatisfaction with your own writing produces vague revision. Specific understanding of what is wrong and why produces changes that actually fix the problem rather than moving it around.

The gap between writers who compound their improvement and writers who plateau at a competent level is almost always a diagnostic gap rather than a talent gap or an effort gap. The one who improves faster is not working harder. They are looking at their own work more honestly and more precisely and then doing something targeted with what they find.

The question worth sitting with is not how much are you writing but how clearly can you name what is wrong with what you just wrote and whether you have a reason for why it is wrong rather than just a feeling that it is.

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u/AnywhereDry2596 — 7 days ago

Seeking writing buddy for short stories

* Genre/s: Dystopian, sci-fi, realistic fiction, mystery (NO romance, fanfic, fantasy, horror/gore please)

* Goals/expectations/commitment: Just looking to share and celebrate milestones, bounce ideas off of each other, proofread. I work pretty irregularly in sprints as inspiration hits me so I'm looking for someone who isn't bothered by that lack of rigidity

* Writing/experience level: New and/or casual

* Meeting place: Discord

* Max size: Any

Hello all, I am seeking fellow writers who, like me, are interested in writing short stories. I'm really interested in thinking about what the future has in store for us, especially as it relates to new technologies, so if you're similar and are looking for someone to share your writing journey with I'd be pleased to make your acquaintance. It just feels like a lot of platforms are for YA/fantasy/romance/fanfic type stuff, and it's a lot harder to build your community if you're not interested in that. So yeah - lmk if you're interested!

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u/praline-trifle — 5 days ago