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How sophisticated and robust was the administration and bureaucracy of the Nicaean and later restored Eastern Roman Empire compared to the rest of Europe and the Mediterranean?

With less territory and resources, the administration was more simplified, the court more mobile, and the administration of the provinces being retained, but was all this still impressive?

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u/CaptainOfRoyalty — 14 hours ago
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We remember Manzikert as the defeat that lost Anatolia. I'd argue Myriokephalon (1176) was the worse one and I tried to work out why.

I've been reading around the late Komnenian period and kept hitting the same thing: Manzikert (1071) gets treated as the start of Byzantine decline, while Myriokephalon (1176) barely registers outside specialist circles. The longer I looked, the more that ranking felt backwards.

Whilst Manzikert was indeed a catastrophe, the empire recovered from it. The real loss of Anatolia came in the civil wars of the 1070s, not on the field itself, and within a decade, Alexios I had seized the throne and started rebuilding. A full century of Komnenian recovery followed. By the 1170s, the empire was richer and stronger than it had been before 1071.

Myriokephalon is the defeat with no recovery after it. Manuel I marched on Iconium in 1176 with the largest Roman army in two centuries, let it get strung out through a pass in Phrygia, and watched the supply train and the rear get cut to pieces. He and the empire survived the defeat. But there was no second Alexios. Manuel died in 1180, the dynasty came apart, and the line runs more or less straight from there to 1204.

What I find interesting is why one is famous and the other isn't. Manzikert fits a clean story: emperor captured, one afternoon, "the day it all changed." Myriokephalon doesn't, because the damage shows up in what didn't happen afterward — the recovery that never came. We tend to remember the defeats we can narrate.

I wrote the whole thing up here (free, no paywall): https://vocal.media/history/forget-manzikert-the-defeat-that-really-ended-byzantium-came-105-years-later

Genuinely curious whether people think the comparison holds, or whether I'm overcorrecting against the popular Manzikert story. Where would you put 1176 in the chain that ends in 1204?

What countries around the Eastern Roman Empire did lay claim to the title of rome?

I know from the history of my country that Dušan the Mighty claimed the title of „Emperor of Serbs and Greeks“. It‘s not quite claiming to be Rome but if you directly say that roman subjects are actually yours and you try to force it through war I‘d say it *SOMEWHAT* counts. Now what other countries claimed something similar around the Byzantines? I‘d simply love to know more about other nations that tried to claim to be Rome or Emperors of the romans/greeks

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u/Strict_Method_9426 — 1 day ago
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Byzantine Gold Coins

My Byzantine Gold Coin collection:

- Theodosius II, Solidus

- Iustinianus I, Solidus

- Basileios II Boulgaroktonos, Tetarteron Nomisma

- Romano IV Diogenes, Histamenon Nomisma

- Alexius I Komnenos, Hyperpyron

- Michael VIII Palaiologos, Hyperpyron

Extra:

I'm Portuguese, and as a Byzantine fan, I brought one portuguese gold coin called "Cruzado".

This coin was introduced by Afonso V of Portugal in 1457 as a response to the call for a crusade to recover lands conquered by the islamic kingdoms at the time and to retake Constantinople (which would end up never happening).

Hope you like it.

u/Sail_Sailing — 1 day ago
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In 1279, why didn’t the Mongols go on to conquer Constantinople?

In the 13th century, Genghis Khan led only around 200,000 troops and within just a few years fought all the way from Mongolia to the Middle East, capturing city after city and crushing nearly every opponent in their path. For a long time, the Mongols were the greatest nightmare of the Arabs and the Turks. But for some reason, the Mongols suddenly halted their advance and spared the Byzantine Empire.

At that time, the Roman emperor was Michael VIII Palaiologos, who had only regained Constantinople a few years earlier. If he had faced the Mongol army, I don’t think he would have been able to hold out.

u/Haunting_Tap_1541 — 2 days ago
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The last Augusta, Helena Dragaš: she once smiled brightly, but in her later years, there was no longer any light on her face. It was truly fortunate for her to have died before the empire fell.

u/Haunting_Tap_1541 — 1 day ago

What's the most underrated institutional adaptation behind Eastern survival?

The standard list of why the East made it through the 5th–7th centuries while the West collapsed usually includes: defensible Anatolian geography, sea-defensible capital with the Theodosian walls, denser urban network in the productive provinces, stronger fiscal base, weaker senatorial entrenchment.

All true. I'm interested in what's under that list — the specific institutional adaptations the eastern administration made that the West didn't.

Some I'm tracking:

  • The theme system (later development but draws on earlier eastern military-administrative habits)
  • The Christian charitable-medical complex (Basil's Basileias, the Sampson Xenon, eventually Pantokrator) as a new institutional form
  • Tax collection through dioceses and bishops rather than only curiales
  • The agentes in rebus and other inspectorate corps
  • More frequent recoinage and fiscal reassessment

What else? Especially interested in cases where eastern administrators did something the West also could have done in principle but didn't try, or tried and abandoned.

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u/-Captain-Planet- — 1 day ago
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How rapidly social and religious structure changed after the defeat at Manzikert 1071? What do we know about from contemporary sources?

Anna Komnene, writing a few decades after the actual battle, wrote:

"..The fortunes of the Roman Empire had sunk to their lowest ebb. For the armies of the East were dispersed in all directions, because the Turks had over-spread, and gained command of, countries between the Euxine Sea (Black Sea) and the Hellespont, and the Aegean Sea and Syrian Seas (Mediterranean Sea), and the various bays, especially those which wash Pamphylia, Cilicia, and empty themselves into the Egyptian Sea (Mediterranean Sea).."

u/lastmonday07 — 2 days ago
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Byzantium's historical provinces in 1453 - YouTube

This will be the second part of our three-video series on the fall of Constantinople in 1453 and the wider Roman world surrounding its final years. In this video, we move beyond the siege itself to examine what remained of the Eastern Roman Empire before the final collapse. By 1453, the Eastern Roman Empire is often portrayed as a dying state reduced to Constantinople alone an isolated island in an Ottoman sea. But was that really the full picture? In this video, we explore the territories, cities, islands, monasteries, and influence that Rome still possessed in its final years. From the Morea, with Mystras, Monemvasia, Patras, and Corinth, to the remaining Roman towns of Thrace, such as Selymbria, Mesembria, Sozopolis, and Vize, the empire was not as territorially insignificant as it is often imagined. We also look at the islands of Lemnos, Imbros, and the Sporades, the role of Mount Athos, Meteora, and other monasteries, and the wider Greek populations that still responded to imperial prestige and legitimacy. These surviving lands and communities could still offer resources, fortifications, cultural strength, diplomatic value, and even manpower. Yet internal divisions, weak naval power, Ottoman pressure, and political fragmentation made any real recovery extremely difficult. Along the way, this video also echoes themes from two of our earlier videos: our episode on the ancient Greek world and the power of smaller states, and our video on the Gallipoli Crusade, which directly relates to the restoration of Roman influence in Thrace and the Black Sea coast. Was the Roman Empire truly finished by 1453 or, with better luck and unity, could the Roman phoenix have risen once more?

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u/CommentConstant4622 — 3 days ago

Would you say these borders are ideal for Byzantium?

I considered long-term stability and which regions could be defended better.

u/GoddessOfAffection — 3 days ago

Byzantine Emperors portrayed as the Seven Deadly Sins | Envy

Alexios III Angelos won for Greed. Which Emperor best fits Envy?

u/Guilty-Amphibian188 — 3 days ago
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Do you think the 'Latin Empire' was a 'colonial' state?

Of course when I say colonial I mean the colonialism of the Norman occupation of England rather than that of the 15th century onwards or of the German expansionism into Eastern Europe and the Baltic. It seems clear that they tried to have some continuity with the Byzantium of old, but they also effectively inserted a new elite of foreign Latin lords among other discriminatory policies. Ironically, I would go so far as to say that the Latins were more tame with regards to their new acquisitions when compared to their Norman counterparts (the harrying of the north is a big yikes).

u/Ambitious-Cat-5678 — 5 days ago

Trade and the end of antiquity

Abstract.
What was the role of trade, and how did economic activity evolve at the End of Antiquity, when
political power shifts away from the Mediterranean towards northern Europe and the Middle East?

To answer those questions, we assemble a database of hundreds of thousands of ancient coins from
the fourth to the tenth century, estimate a dynamic model of trade and money where coins gradually
diffuse along trade routes, and recover granular regional trade and real consumption time series.
Our estimates suggest that: Mediterranean trade was disrupted by the newly formed border between
Islam and Christianity; economic activity shifts away from the Mediterranean starting in the fifth
century; real consumption peaks in the Middle East in the eighth century; and by the end of the
ninth century, Atlantic regions from Islamic Spain to Frankish northwestern Europe have become
the wealthiest regions of the ancient western world.
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Interesting paper. Still going through it but it seems a bit too definitive.

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u/Safe-Ad783 — 3 days ago

Who was the last Byzantine Emperor to use the old Roman titulature in their regnal name?

Ever since Constantine the Great and his father, Constantius Chlorus, the Roman titulatute for the Emperors were typically Imperator Caesar Flavius [Insert Name] Augustus.

But by the fall of the Heraclian dynasty, such style for Roman Emperors seemingly fell out of use, with later Byzantine Emperors using simple regnal names and eventually using their family names to emphasize their nobles house such as Nikephoros II Phokas and Constantine XI Dragases Palaiologos.

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u/TargetRupertFerris — 4 days ago

Favorite eastern Roman period?

From the age of Constantine the great and the founding of Constantinople to the wars of Justinian and later Arab-Byzantine wars to the last decades of eastern Roman dominance in the Mediterranean would you say is your favorite period in eastern Roman history and why?

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u/Low_Philosopher_5684 — 4 days ago

Did the Byzantines ever recognize Vlachs as fellow Romans?

It seems clear to me Vlachs, Aromanians, Megleno-Romanians, Romanians etc. almost always referred themselves as Romans, but were called Vlachs most of the time even by the Byzantines.

But are there examples of Byzantines recognizing the Latinity and/or Roman identity of these pastoralists?

Also do we know exactly how the exonym "Vlach" even survived as a term for these people? It derives likely from East Germanic/Gothic, but why is it so sticky if it was never used by Romanians themselves?

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u/Chazut — 4 days ago
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On this day, May 16, Baldwin of Flanders was crowned the first Latin Emperor of Constantinople.

u/No-Date2207 — 5 days ago