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When the Moon Hatched question (spoilers!!!)

Hoping someone can clear this up for me. So we know that slatra was the moon that fell with raeve, but I’m confused on who/what the moon is that raeve talks about seeing in the sky and loving. Is that her just like hallucinating that slatras moon is still there? Or is it a different dragons moon that she has some connection too? Do we not know for sure yet? Any info would be appreciated. I just started Ballad so I’m trying to make sense of things again haha.

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u/Pale-Flamingo2769 — 11 hours ago

Heather Fawcett announced a new Emily Wilde book

Heather Fawcett just posted on her Instagram that a 4th Emily Wilde book is set to release in January of 2027! I love this series and I’m so excited for more stories in this world. According to the post it’ll be darker in tone than her previous installments.

{Emily Wilde by Heather Fawcett}

Photo courtesy of Heather Fawcett’s instagram

u/MessyJessy422 — 1 day ago

Not a fan of Tim Campbell’s Narrating

I know I can’t be entirely alone, but it feels that way because I can’t find any other posts about it and he’s an allegedly decorated narrator. His narration just sounds so overacted/overstylized and it takes me out of the story. I felt like I was grinning and baring it through {The Witch Walker Series}. I’ve been waiting for CW to release the next book for so long, but I’m dreading listening to the audiobook version.

I’m pretty sure he narrates the FBAA series as well.

Note: I know I can read the next book, but audiobooks are my little escape right now, as I’m a full time student and I feel like all I do is read “analog” books, if you will 😅.

Maybe it’s because he sounds almost exactly the guy narrating this video from my high school years: https://youtu.be/MBHOL1PcPR8?si=3H92uvp39G4k6fiK

u/Miserable-Abroad-489 — 19 hours ago

Help me find a monster romance that fits my taste I'm begging 🙏🏽

I'm looking for a monster romance that:

  1. centers the romance and relationship of the characters more than sex. Sex should still happen but like not A LOT. Just a normal amount.

  2. The monster is a man who: is SOFT (despite how he looks) and shy/submissive/loner/touch starved/self deprecating/thinks he doesn't deserve good things. Like I need that man BROKEN. Some kind of combination of the above.

  3. The monster has to be a virgin or with very limited sexual experience

  4. The monster should have a humanoid face (like not minotaurs or spiders or skulls)

  5. The girl being gentle with him and brushing his hair or idk hurt comfort them being cute and soft together.

  6. Some monster books I read but weren't exactly what I was looking for: Emma Hamm's mermaid series (although I loved the way the mermen looked the writing style was very generic and irritating for me), ice planet barbarians (nice but too much sex and after awhile all the couples blended together), demon lover (?) or something similar with a succubus but it had again a lot of sex.

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u/baifengjiu — 1 day ago

Disfigured/"Ugly" MMC

Ever since falling in love with Phantom of the Opera as a kid, I've always had a thing for the MMCs who are or think of themselves as disfigured and/or hideous and the women who fall in love with them anyway.

Phantom and Christine is the obvious example, but recently while listening to First Law, I've been shipping Glokta and Ardee West. Neither of these books are romances, much to my chagrin.

Any recommendations? I'm not looking for Beauty and the Beast where he has an endgame glow-up.

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u/CrabbyAtBest — 1 day ago

A little rant about Dawn of the North by Demi Winers

After reading the first couple books in The Ashen series, I had higher expectations for this book and they just totally felt flat. For one thing, Silla’s chapters are so boring, a repetition of angry Mykur and hearthfire thoughts over and over again. Rey’s chapters didn’t feel like they added much to the story at all, nor did Jonas’s. Hekla was just being so childish the entire time, Saga’s pov was sort of interesting but I couldn’t get over the fact that Kass started a WHOLE WAR by kidnapping her and they respond by allowing him to marry her. Huh?? If I lived in this kingdom I’d be peeved, regardless of the fact that she randomly shows up on a flying horse and magically saves the day. This man is problematic.

I didn’t understand the point of Jonas’s chapters—why continue to bring back this character unless you’re planning a redemption arc? And Signe’s “evil queen” vibes were a bit tacky IMO.

Overall the book had way too many storylines, and many were just unnecessary. I don’t need a rehashing of events from everyone’s perspective. This author is really bad at active voice; she always starts the chapters going over what happened before the chapter started rather than explain it through the action of the scene itself, and it’s just so lazy. She seems to have made a list of 3-4 traits for every character and just repeat them ENDLESSLY throughout the whole book (Saga’s tapping, “axe eyes” in italics, Jonas’s family mantra, Kass’s beast). It made the characters feel so goddmn shallow and boring.

For some reason, Eyvind is like the only MMC that appeals to me, maybe because we don’t get his pov. Rey feels one-dimensional, and I can’t get over the fact that Kass caused thousands of people to die and doesn’t even seem that guilty about it until they were about to lose the battle.

This book was a slog. Took me upwards of a month to get through it and I feel like it was for nothing. It was less about who the characters are as people and more about pushing “woman power” to the absolute extreme. The male characters are practically useless and only there to serve the women.

Anyone else feel this way?

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u/Odd-Sprinkles9885 — 1 day ago

Which fantasy romance couple(s) would actually do well in therapy and are not strictly vibes?

✨Welcome back to another week of genre discussions!✨

Last week, we chatted about which fantasy romance couple wouldn’t survive therapy, this week let’s discuss the opposite.

Which fantasy romance couple do you believe has a chance in real life to work through conflict and make a realistic couple on page?

Maybe they’re immune to the miscommunication trope, perhaps they’re not a raging red flag. Which couple do you vote and why?

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u/acutelyproblematic — 1 day ago

What is it with Danielle L. Jensen and putting her characters in prisons? {The Bridge Kingdom series by Danielle L. Jensen}

Spoilers for all of {The Bridge Kingdom series by Danielle L. Jensen} ahead. And yes I know this is long but I finished this book today and I need to scream my thoughts somewhere so I can move on with my life. I have a lot of issues with this book, but I think this should be enough to get my point across.

Like, okay to start with we have Aren. He gets captured off-page at the end of book 1 and is then a prisoner for a large part of book 2. Lara rescues him, and then on their journey south, she gets captured by some townspeople. Not for long, but it's worth mentioning. Then they go home and save Ithicana.

In book 3, Zarrah is captured by Keris's brother and is then a prisoner for most of this book. Both she and Aren are in King Silas's palace which is supposedly impossible to escape from. But then they escape with the help of Lara and Keris. But then she's captured again at the end of the book, placed on Devil's Island which is supposedly impossible to escape from, and Keris has to rescue her again in book 4. Then they go home and kick her aunt to the curb. Already it feels like an overused trope, but I was able to put it aside since I love Zarrah, and I was enraptured by her and Keris’s story.

It's in book 6 that things truly go off the rails. While on the run towards Amarid, Ahnna and James get captured, then they escape, then they get captured again. They're placed in a prison called the Furnace which is supposedly impossible to escape from. Then they mange to escape and barely make it back to Ithicana in time to warn Aren and the others not to eat the poisoned food. Then they come up with a ridiculous plan to save Ithicana and when it immediately falls apart, Ahnna sneaks off north to Harendell, then soon after gets captured and almost gets executed. At the same time, James is also captured by Alexandra and is also seconds from death when he's saved.

Then to top it all off, both of them get captured one last time by Lestara on her ship.

Like what the hell did James and Ahnna do to make the author put them through this💀 Because that's what this feels like. It doesn't feel like there was any need to put Ahnna and James through all this. For some reason, the author wanted them in the Furnace so that's where they were put. But in reality, what the hell was even the point of it all? Had James stopped trying to kill her earlier and had they slipped away to Ithicana instead of going to Amarid, what really would've changed? Not much, honestly. As it is, it feels like pointless filler for the sake of drama.

It also feels like the author had to constantly one-up herself with the stakes. Aren was under watch, but he was still close to Ithicana and could find allies in the palace who could go where he could not. So then when Zarrah is imprisoned, she has to be put on a cannibal island that isn't even on the map. But she's rescued by Keris, so when James and Ahnna get captured, they get literally sealed into stone boxes while the world thinks they're dead. Each time the main characters get captured, the stakes have to be higher for whatever reason.

Like I could accept Aren and Zarrah breaking free, but come on. Ahnna made a fucking bomb in that little box? Using nothing but the meager rations and soap she got from the guards? I can accept Ithicanian ingenuity, but that is so silly.

And it's not just them either. Zarrah, apparently not having proven herself enough by escaping from two inescapable prisons already, is imprisoned with Keris in the Sky Palace, which is, you guessed it, supposedly impossible to escape from. I just wanted to shake the author and tell her enough's enough. This all just feels like her not knowing how to create effective stakes and story and so she's just falling back on putting her characters in prison.

On top of that, it also became silly that they kept them alive. After these characters managed to escape so often, why didn't Alexandra just kill them? I don't get it. The bad guys in this series keep suffering because they for some reason just can't bring themselves to kill the good guys when they have them in their grasp. And when they do try to kill them, they always manage to escape just in time. It was frustrating and repetitive, and when the author managed to squeeze in yet another moment like this at the very end of the book, I was just rolling my eyes and groaning. Because that's what happens when you show that there are next to zero consequences to them being captured: There are no stakes anymore when they’re in their enemy’s hands.

I wanted to like this book, but really, what was the point of books 5 and 6? They didn't need to exist. The only real character development we see is from Aren and Ahnna, the former accepting that Ahnna can't just be the king's sister and the latter forgiving Lara. It's nice, sure, but there was no reason this couldn't have happened in book 4, or even a novella. Like seriously, what is the point of the story books 5 and 6 are trying to tell?

It all feels like a repeat of things we've already seen. Arranged marriage, a kingdom of deceit where the walls have eyes and ears, a smart and capable prince next to a brash and insecure one, Ithicana under threat of destruction, a conniving spy master, fucking Lestara doing shit again, and it's just...These two books feel like they exist only because Ahnna "needed" her story, which frankly, I don't think she did. She's an amazing side character, but she is just not a good main character at all. It doesn't help that there is zero setup for this book in the rest of the series. It feels like a last minute addition, not like Zarrah and Keris.

To top it all off, I was frustrated that Ahnna stayed in Harendell. I get that she didn't want to live in Aren's shadow, and I get that they needed to be there for Oliver's sake. But Ahnna was born to be on Ithicana. Her true love is the smell of the ocean around her and her soldiers at her back. If I was in her shoes, I could never bring myself to return to a country that tried to kill me over and over again and treated me this way. It felt like an unnatural conclusion to her story in my opinion. And it's all just when she's made up with Lara and Aren. Right after mending their relationship, she has to leave for her husband's kingdom. Ugh.

I really loved the other books in this series, especially books 3 and 4. Zarrah is amazing and I love her to death. Same with Lara and Aren. But James and Ahnna...I always liked Ahnna, but I just can't bring myself to really care about James? Might be a me thing, but idk. I rated this book 2/5 which really sucks since I rated books 1-4 5/5🙃 I had some good times at least, but good lord I wish this series ended after book 4.

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u/victoria-1304 — 1 day ago

Looking for romance-forward vibes

I am once again asking for your book recommendations.

I am on a quest to find books similar to the list below. I absolutely devoured them. To me, these are all romance-forward stories with solid story telling and great character development.

{Traitor Son by Melissa J. Cave}
{The Shattered King by Charlie N. Holmberg}
{Mages of the Wheel by J.D. Evans}
{Blood Mercy by Vela Roth}
{Radiance by Grace Draven} - every novel by Grace Draven hits for me
{Paladin’s Grace by T. Kingfisher}
{A Heart of Blood and Ashes by Milla Vane}
{The Bird and the Sword by Amy Harmon}

I think the main thing I love about these is we get a lot of interaction and dialogue between the MCs. I especially like when we get to watch their relationship build and we understand why the two people fall for each other. I’m a huge fan of forced proximity or arranged marriage and I love when there is a magic system. I also tend to prefer gentle and kind MCs. The yearning and sweetness of the romance in the above list for me was ✨chefs kiss ✨.

Anyone have any recs that are similar to the list above?

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u/Former_Novel674 — 1 day ago

Strong vs Stubborn FMCs

We all love a fierce FMC… but there’s a big difference between strong and stubborn..

For me, the gold standard will always be Jude Duarte from {The Cruel Prince by Holly Black}. She’s ruthless, strategic, deeply flawed, and still evolves without losing her edge. I love her.

Who is your ultimate strong FMC? And who do you think crosses into “stubborn for the sake of plot” territory?

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u/Duff_episode — 2 days ago

Does bloodbound by ellis hunter get better

About 53 pages into {Bloodbound + Ellis Hunter} and it almost feels like a scary movie of romantasy tropes 😩 and all the dialogue anachronisms...does the book get better? i got the BOTM special edition and I hate to part with something so beautiful

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u/gurdyburdy — 1 day ago

Old but Gold: reading books that came before Romantasy

✨ Old but Gold - welcome to our new recommendations thread!

These days, there's a lot of marketing around newly released books, so we wanted to shed some light on oldies that came out more than 20 years ago but aged like fine wine! Hopefully, the community enjoys them, too. ❤️

Each month, there'll be a post with a book released **before 2010 and before 1995**.  This month we are going way back to before 1980 for two famous, influential but very different books. 

And this month’s picks are **{The Princess Bride by William Goldman}** from 1973 and **{Biting the Sun by Tanith Lee}** from 1977/1979 (it contains two stories.)

The Princess Bride

(review by u/aristifer)

Everybody here has seen the movie, right? (If you haven’t, that’s what you’re doing next weekend. Get to it). But did you know that the movie was based on a book? 
Well, if you’ve seen the movie, you already have a good feel for the book, because it’s a very faithful adaptation—in fact, the author, who is primarily a screen writer, wrote the screenplay himself. The biggest difference is really in how the metafictional framing story was adapted to film. The conceit of the novel is that as a child, Goldman (or rather, a fictionalized version of him) had The Princess Bride by Florinese author S. Morgenstern read to him by his father when sick. Revisiting the story as an adult, he realizes that the book is actually a very dry, longwinded satire of Florinese politics, and his father had only been reading him the good bits. So he sets out to abridge the novel into the exciting story he remembers. The beloved tale of Westley and Buttercup’s adventures and romance is punctuated by fictional-Goldman’s commentary, including editorial notes about the material he has cut, complaints about his publisher and tangents about his career and personal life. 
(NB: there are several different editions of this book, and the later editions have additional content, including the first chapter of the (fictional, never-written) sequel, Buttercup’s Baby, so pay attention to which edition you’re reading). 

**Quality of writing**
This is a classic for a reason. The prose is exactly what it needs to be to suit its purpose, and it hits the mark brilliantly. That means a distinct difference in style and register between the “Morgenstern” narrative and the “Goldman” commentary. The former is playing with the traditional fairy tale mode in a similar way to how Douglas Adams plays with sci-fi in Hitchhiker’s Guide, while the latter is informal and meanders into tangential anecdotes about fictional-Goldman’s life. It’s all highly readable; you’re not getting any overwrought flowery prose except where used satirically, and you also aren’t getting any embarrassing grammatical faux pas or clunky constructions that aren’t part of intentional characterization. Goldman is an actual pro. 

**Characters**
The narrative in Westley and Buttercup’s story is third-person omniscient, which makes its approach to character read very differently to most modern fantasy romance. We get less character interiority, more distanced satirical commentary about the characters’ assumptions, motivations and abilities. This is a story about characters; it is not at all a vehicle to self-insert, and it is more comedic than emotionally involved. 
In Buttercup especially, we see how this book is a product of a time before fantasy began its interrogation of gender. Buttercup is mostly a passive object for Westley to rescue, with her most important characteristic being her beauty (and this is dwelt upon at length). The narrative drops a lot of hints that she is not very smart, and she unfortunately exercises pretty much zero agency in getting herself out of her situation, beyond clinging to her fervent belief that Westley will rescue her. 
Westley’s whole character is competence porn; he accomplishes a dozen impossible things before breakfast and defeats everyone who challenges him while also outsnarking them, which makes it impossible not to root for him. But the real gems in this story are actually the side characters, Inigo and Fezzik. The narrative gives us a lot of background info on their personal histories that didn’t make it into the movie, and they are flawed and lovable and have an absolutely delightful buddy bromance.
 
**Did it age well?**
As a product of the 1970s, there’s some stuff in here that definitely would not fly today, most of it in Goldman’s meta-narrative. Fictional-Goldman is kind of an ass, so it’s all in character; he criticizes his fictional son for being overweight, complains about his fictional wife, drops some racist and homophobic remarks, ogles women and puts the moves on them while traveling for work. But some of it does make it into the “Morgenstern” story, including Miracle Max referring to Inigo by an ethnic slur and Westley slapping Buttercup in anger when they are first reunited. The only major female character being dumb and useless and valued only for her beauty is not a great look. But if you can look past that stuff, the adventure and comedy really does hold up. 

**But aristifer, is this REALLY fantasy romance?**
I would consider it a proto-fanro. It is certainly fantasy, and the story-within-a-story certainly has a romance structure, and Westley is very much an archetypal MMC. The omniscient comedic voice is different from a lot of modern romantasy, though it does have echoes in novels like The Ornithologist’s Field Guide to Love by India Holton and Small Miracles by Olivia Atwater. But at the same time, the metafictional framing makes the romance feel smaller, sometimes quite literally, with Goldman using his editorial commentary to step back and distance the reader from moments of greater intimacy (look up the reunion scene passage for a very effective example of this). This is a narrative that is interested in using romance as a framework for adventure and satire, more so than in the romance for its own sake. It was also written by a man, and its perspective on gender is in the traditional male-gaze mold; Westley might be a typical MMC, but Buttercup is very different from our typical FMCs. But this is exactly the kind of story that the genre of fantasy romance arose in response to, when women writers began turning the traditional fantasy adventure around, giving agency to the heroines and writing from their perspective. 

Biting the Sun

(review by u/Purplelicious )

>DO NOT BITE THE SUN,
TRAVELER,
YOU WILL BURN YOUR MOUTH

For this iteration of “Old but Gold” I travelled way back to 1977 for {Biting the Sun by Tanith Lee}, her debut novel – this version released in 1979 has both books of the duology {Don’t Bite the Sun} and {Drinking Sapphire Wine}. Tanith Lee is a huge name in the origins of Fantasy Romance and I may pick a few novels written by her over the years. I think the first books I read of her were her reimaginings of Snow White in the 80s. But many romantasy writers will call her out as an early influence and she has a huge body of work that is loved by romantasy, SF, Fantasy and Horror fans.

Don’t Bite the Sun, the first book in the duology, is an excellent example of new wave SFF that came out of the late 60s to 70s, when women, queer and other marginalized groups used speculative fiction as a place to play with allegorical themes and examine ideas that were not found in mainstream literature. 

The immediate feeling when beginning the novel was delight in being able to immerse into a strange futuristic world. maybe another planet but maybe Earth several millenial in the future, but it doesn’t matter. Humans live on a desert world in 3 large domed worlds – four BEE, four BAA and four BOO. No one actually dies anymore, technology has evolved to the point where a human’s life force, or ‘soul’ can be plopped back into any body of your choice. It also means that you can change your body at will, switching genders and looks as to your preference. The community is managed by robots and humans have nothing to do but live a life of complete hedonistic leisure. 

Don’t Bite the Sun is a coming-of-age novel, but do not dismiss it as young adult. The themes of late adolescence, at least the questions I asked myself, are there – the ennui of life, the pressure of society to conform, the disillusionment of friend circles and cliques, the realization that love and adoration of others is not enough to sustain one’s mental health. 

Overall these books are excellent. For a reader not used to early SFF there may be a bit of a learning curve being dropped into the story without much explanation, but the edition I had includes a glossary that explains some of the more confusing aspects like time units and customs, but there are many things that are not explained. The best way to read is to just jump in and immerse yourself in the story.

**Does it translate well into modern life? **
 Which makes this era of SFF so groundbreaking for portraying same sex relationships, gender fluidity, identity and sexuality. But the reader should understand that there were still aspects of transgenderism and sexuality that were not well defined.  A character that would be considered Asexual today is labeled as ‘Frigid’, which even then had a negative connotation.  Lee was not using the term as a slur, but because she had no other context to describe the state of the character.  As a mother to a gen Z, I love the way Lee captures the experimentation as the adolescent characters move from one identity to another, recognizing they may be predom fem or masc, regardless of their childhood state. 

**but is it romantasy?** 

In the 70s there wasn’t as big a distinction between SF and F, so the question should be “is this a romance” .  It’s not a typical modern romance with a list of recognizable tropes, but finding love is a major theme and there is a HEA for our main protagonist with another character.  There is plenty of sex, with just about anyone in any body, but the sex is closed door.  Now we have less sex but with explicit detail and strict rules over consent, no appearance of cheating, and much less promiscuity.  

u/purplelicious — 2 days ago

The problem isn’t the tropes, it’s the writing: how Mystic Prince has not one, not two, but three fridged mothers, and yet it makes it work.

DISCLAIMER: yes, I am discussing a romantic fantasy manhwa rather than a romantasy novel because I wrote this first for the r/OtomeIsekai but I think my points about tropes and how to use or not use them are valid for both western romantasy as for Asian rofan.

When a story feels underwhelming, uninspired and forgettable, tropes often get the blame. We say that a story is too tropey, or we say that this or that trope are overused, etc.

But it is not really the tropes’ fault. Tropes are on their own just narrative devices (the evil stepmother, the loyal childhood friend, the cursed prince etc) . They are a part of a writer’s toolbox as much as the choice of narrator, the ways the plot can be structured, or the rhetorical figures that can make the writing more poignant.

And even the most overused, predictable trope can become a brilliant element of a story, if the writer is skilled enough.

So, when does a writer use tropes well?

I would like to analyse the way one of the most overused and predictable tropes, the one of the “dead mother as origin story of a character” is used not once, not twice, but thrice in Mystic Prince, and try to explain why it still works.

***WARNING: SPOILERS BELOW***

(Seriously, if you haven’t read Mystic Prince yet, go and do it and come back to my post later.)

 

Lesson 1: chose the tropes that fit your story, don’t build stories around tropes

The major theme of Mystic Prince is how shitty women’s lives are in this East-Asian inspired fantasy world, how women are used, abused, silenced and discarded. It’s the reason why the protagonist, the FL, is so determined to win the throne and change things.

In this setting, the destiny of the three dead mothers whose stories we are told does not exist in a vacuum, just to provide some emotional scars to their children, but becomes a part of a larger narrative that shows how this world is cruel to women. It is very telling that the three dead mothers are the only mothers who appear in the story. All other women who could have been influential are just missing, because this is very much a man’s world. And this leads us to:

 

Lesson 2:  the more meanings and functions a trope has, the more it will feel integrated to the story and less obviously tropey.

In the case of Mystic Prince, the three dead mothers have multiple functions: they represent a key element of the childhood of their three children, the events who led to their death had a long lasting impact on how the children are as adults, and become part of the narrative of women’s oppression in a patriarchal society.

 

Lesson 3: if you are going to use a trope multiple times, do it in an intentional, meaningful way.

The three orphaned children of Mystic Prince are the FL, the ML, and the villain, that is, the three most important characters in the whole story. But the author doesn’t stop herself by just giving them a shared background: the symmetries between their pasts, but also the ways the differ (every mother has her own story), and the different ways the children reacted to their mother’s death is used to show why they become the people they are in the present.

 

Lesson 4: using tropes is fine, using whole pre-made clusters of tropes, not so much.

In otome isekai manhwas the dead mother trope tends to take the shape of: mother dies in childbirth – child gets blamed – father emotionally rejects the baby – everybody abuses the child, that is seen as “unlucky” and contemptible for just existing.

The FL, ML and villain of Mystic prince are all guilty of “killing” their mothers, but they have each their own story, and it doesn’t follow the expected cluster of tropes.

 

Lesson 5:  if you use a trope, subvert it.

All three children are guilty of “killing” their mother. But none of those death are the expected “mother dying giving birth” story.

The FL kills her mother accidentally, when she uses her powers for the first time trying to save her from the abusive father/husband. So yes, for once, we have a child who has really killed her mother, even if unintentionally.

The ML’s story is the one closest to the standard trope, because his mother dies giving birth to him, but with a twist: it’s not the labour killing her, but she is murdered because a political faction doesn’t want her to give birth to the son of the emperor.

And the villain causes his mother’s death by poisoning his father – the man who had abandoned both of them – and letting her take the blame.

But the subversion doesn’t end there. Nobody blames them for killing their mothers, as the expected pattern would predict. Instead the FL very much blames herself, and the ghost of her mother becomes the incarnation of all her self-doubt and feelings of worthlessness.

The ML does not get a relationship with his father, but not because the father blames him, but because the emperor blames himself for his wife’s death and is desperate to keep his son as safe as he can.

And as for the villain, his complete lack of guilt for killing both is parents is the defining moment that makes him a villain.

 

Lesson 6: if the trope requires the introduction of a secondary character, that character should be fleshed out.

I think this is the main reason Mystic Prince manages to pull the stunt of using the same trope three times. Each mother is not just “the dead mother”. Each of them is her own person. They have names (well, not the FL’s mother, but the others do) and they have their own story before they died, and these stories are very different.

The FL’s mother is the battered wife of a most despicable middle class man, who heroically tries her best to shield her daughters from their father’s violence, and teach them about love, and happiness even in the harshest circumstances.

The ML’s mother is a strong, fearless woman, who lives her own life freely in a world that is so cruel to women, but she can’t survive the plots and schemes of court and dies because of it and ends up entirely erased from existance, a damnatio memoriae that makes the ML’s childhood miserable.

The villain’s mother is a prostitute in a brothel. She is completely broken by the life she has to live and can only stare in the void like a beautiful broken doll, desired and then discarded. In the end, the only love she can show to her child is to refuse to acknowledge him as such, and take the fall for his actions.

Note how this variate characterisation reinforces the underlying theme of the story: there is no happiness for women in an oppressively patriarchal society. They can be prostitutes or empresses, they can marry the good guy, the bad guy, or not marry at all, but they are all doomed to be used, abused, and then silenced and forgotten. Nobody cares.

 

Lesson seven: deploy the trope at the most appropriate plot beat of the story for it.

And in case of multiple uses, variation is key. This is also done in a very skillful way in Mystic Prince.

The story of the FL’s mother is revealed in a series of progressively more heartwrenching flashbacks (at least three if I remember right) in the first third of the story which culminate into the test that forces the FL to face her innermost demons. And that event marks the moment where she slowly begins to make peace with herself and her guilt.

The ML instead had been stewing on his desire to know something, anything, about her mother for a very long time, and it is this longing that eventually leads him to finally face his father and asks for the truth. And so it is the emperor who tells him (and us), his wife’s story. It’s again a moment of character’s growth and reconciliation, but this time, between father and son.

The villain reveals his motives, and tell his story when his treachery has been revealed and he and the protagonist face off during the climax of the story. Only then we get to see how fucked up he is, and the depth of his crimes. It works very well because the readers are left wondering until then about who the real evil mastermind is and so his “origin story” is necessary to make all his actions understandable.

 

Moral of the story.

Let’s face the truth: when a story feels too tropey (and not in an intentional, playful way), or too predictable, or we think “ugh, not this trope again”, stop blaming the trope. Blame the actual culprit, the shitty writing and the clearly mediocre writer who wrote it.

When I was reading Mystic Prince, I didn't even noticed that I had been fed three fridged mothers (heaven know how much I hate an unskilled use of this trope), because they felt such a natural part of the story. Only with a cooler header after finishing it I saw the pattern and said "you sneaky, brilliant author, I see what you have done".

And if you have made it to the end of this, thank you for listening to my thoughts about how you do or don't use tropes and indulging my passion for literary analysis.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

u/LucreziaD — 1 day ago

Review: The Heart of Faerie by Rowan Parker, A Book that Subverts Tropes with Heart, Hilarity, and Soul (Older FMC! Released today!)

{The Heart of Faerie by Rowan Parker}

My Review

First of all, I'll note this was written by a friend and I received an ARC. It was my first time ever receiving an ARC, and I definitely had some doubts based on the synopsis (and also the fear of "what if my friend wrote trash?")

I'm happy to report The Heart of Faerie is just a brilliant book. The premise is novel and focuses on a mother-daughter duo from the human world transported into Faerie. It's a dual-POV: The mom in her 40s, Jenn, failed as the chosen one in a prophecy in Faerie, and her daughter Vivi is a 19 year old college student obsessed with the romantasy genre. The novel starts with Vivi being accidentally kidnapped to Faerie by her mother’s old quest companions, two Fae named Alastair and Killian.

The book does parody so many tropes based on Vivi’s expectations of how Faerie works from her romantasy books, but calling this book a parody would be an insult. Yes, it's funny, but there was so much heart and emotional stakes beyond the premise. I choked up a few times. The novel does a phenomenal job of discussing the very real effects of trauma, namely PTSD.

All of the main characters are well-written and distinct, and even the side characters are well-designed and memorable. I particularly love the relationship building the Rowan Parker does between the four main characters. It's believable and the conflicts and resolutions feel real. While the plot and world building are great, the relationships are what really drove the book for me. 

All in all, this was a five star read for me. I’m so happy I got an advanced reader copy to review, but I’m also sad that I will have to wait even longer for the next one in the trilogy.

Synopsis from the Author's Site:

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When Alastair, playboy fae prince and bisexual disaster, and his stoic, snarky bestie Killian travel to the human realm to retrieve the prophesied Chosen One, they abduct Vivi Pierce to save their home from a sinister, ancient curse. Vivi may be a nineteen-year-old college student, but fortunately for Faerie, she’s eager to save the world. In fact, she's pretty sure that she could ride a dragon or help perform a coup, should the need arise. She has, after all, read every romantasy novel she’s ever gotten her hands on. She knows every trope in the book.

The only problem? Vivi isn't actually the Chosen One, and this kidnapping isn’t the meet-cute that she thought it was. It turns out the Chosen One is actually her middle-aged mother Jenn, and the fae men grabbed the wrong woman. Now, instead of leading the charge to save the world, becoming inexplicably good at combat through a quick training montage, and getting seduced by a sexy, impossibly-old fae love interest, Vivi has to contend with the fact that her 40-something year old mother may be the real Main Character in this story. Worse yet, it looks like Jenn has known about the existence of Faerie for years, purposely hid that knowledge from her daughter, and that maybe Vivi's books have gotten more than a few things terribly wrong.

Plot Attributes

  • Portal Fantasy
  • Dual POV (mother-daughter)
  • Blond bisexual himbo MMC
  • Stoic and gentle MMC
  • Older FMC (40s)
  • Subverted tropes galore!
u/BlueLu — 2 days ago

Fmc works for the mmc?

I’m really wanting something like the fmc is working for the mmc. she could be his spy, healer, or whatever else. And that whenever the fmc finishes a job, she has to go report back to him.

The only instances i found this in was {Poison Study by Maria V. Snyder} and i was obsesseddddd with it🤭 it has what i’m talking about

Slowwww burn pls. And maybe he is morally gray 🤭
I would also love if she was more soft/feminine and not the typical snarky type.

EDIT: thanks for the recs yall💅 !

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u/Bloodreina_Wonkru — 2 days ago

Request for books where he can’t wait

Do you know of any books where the MMC ends up coming in his pants? Where he is so turned on by everything he can’t make it to the main act (the first time he comes, but we all know the refractory period is low). Or where the main couple get so into it (like dry humping with clothes on/making out session) that he ends up coming prematurely? Anything “hands-free” is fair game.

What is this trope called? I can’t find anything like it on Romance.io. Some books I’ve read with variations of this trope:

{A Court of Silver Flames by Sarah J Maas} >! Oh cmon, you didn’t even need to look here. If you read the book you KNOW what scene I’m talking about. For those who like to look at spoilers, Nesta makes out with Cassian and makes him come in his pants.!<

{Mate by Ali Hazelwood} I could talk about this series all day. Blanket statement for this one- I’ll take ANY recs that have the same tension, romance, and werewolf fantasy as these books. Anyways, to the good part >!Koen goes down on Serena and while eating her out, he ends up coming. So hot. !<

{Prize for the King by Layla Fae} a few for this one >!While traveling together on one horse, the FMC purposefully bumps against the MMC and makes him come in his pants. (Omg out in the open? With a one horse trope? Sheesh 🔥) !< Okay and another scene >!She’s with a different MMC waking up and he’s half asleep, starts dry humping her ass, and then ends up coming. !<

A non-fantasy romance:

{Heated Rivalry by Rachel Reid} >! Shane is giving Ilya a blow job, and ends up coming hands free bc he’s so turned on by doing it !< ❤️‍🔥

Some other books that I’ve read that have it: {Not in Love by Ali Hazelwood} , one (or two? I can’t remember) of {Monsters of Faery by Mallory Dunlin} books, {By a Thread by Lucy Score}

I’m a fantasy girly at heart but recs can be monster, RH, regular romance, MM/MF/FF relationships, or whatever. Thank you🫶🏽

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u/bugshunny — 2 days ago

Apparently I have a prey kink and need recs

I started watching Jujustu Kaisen and realized im thirsting over Sukuna, and an Instagram reel finally told told me why: I have a primal prey kink. I could never quite put my finger on my personal brand of degenerate, but there it is. I found it.

So I am humbly asking my fellow beautiful degenerates for predator-prey vibes books. I need more Sukuna-esque bad guys, or even good guys, preying on the FMC. Unhinged MMCs, villians, or possessed allies that aren't in control of themselves. FMC in a state of horny danger and body betrayal. Slow-burn preferred. It could also be a fantasy with a side-plot of romance, not a romance-centric book.

MMC insipration: Sukuna, Valroy, Chaos/castor

I know Kathryn Ann Kingsley writes these types of MMCs well, but I have read most of them. {Unseelie prince} and {hallow faire} fit the vibe!

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u/tofuqueen1 — 2 days ago

Does ‘The Scholar and the Last Faerie Door’ have any romance?

This book was recommended to me as fantasy romance similar to the Emily Wilde series but I’m about 30% of the way through it and I have yet to see even a hint of romance. I was just wondering if there is actually any romance in this book even if it’s more of a subplot. If so, does the book have HEA?

Don’t get me wrong, this book is great so far, even without romance. I’m just in a very specific mood right now. I’ve been going through a rough time in my personal life and I’m looking for something that’s more cozy and has a happy ending. I was hoping for something similar to Emily Wilde. Romance doesn’t have to be front and center but I’d like there to be at least some romantic aspect to the book. If not, I might put this one on hold for a bit while I’m dealing with everything that’s currently going on in my life.

Without too many spoilers, I’d also like to know if this book gets really dark or has a sad ending? I realize that it is dark academia but obviously there are varying degrees of dark depending on the book. I’m just feeling very sensitive and easily upset right now because of everything I’m going through in my personal life. I want to make sure that I’m taking care of myself and not reading something that is going to damage my mental health even more right now. Thank you all for any help you can offer!

u/thedeadlyscimitar — 2 days ago

Font change in Alchemy of Secrets {Stephanie Garber}

In my copy of the book (UK cover which I adore), the chapter twenty-three heading is completely different. I don't know whether this symbolises anything ( probably not) or is it a printing malfunction.

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u/Dust_b1tes87 — 1 day ago

why are you so boring Callie? 2nd dnf this year

I started my romantasy journey last year with acotar. I‘ve read several duologies and series by now. When I asked for recs with a MMC like Rhys the Bargainer series by Laura Thalassa was recommended to me. I‘ve read the first book and it was okay but the characters already felt very flat, and the intial age gap was weird af. But I thought okay, it‘s gonna get better. But the world is boring and the characters so uninteresting. I think the writing is good but I‘m dnf the series. I‘ve read 1/3 of the second book and the story doesn‘t pick up and Callie and Des just didn’t do it for me.

Anyone else having the same thoughts?

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u/HeliosandMor — 1 day ago