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Books like A Great and Terrible Beauty, but adult?

Books like A Great and Terrible Beauty, but adult?

Listennnnn. The absolute CHOKEHOLD 🤌🤌🤌 these books had on my girl group when they first came out (we were middle school/early high school) needs to be studied! The passionate, bloodbond sisterhood type friendships, the suspense, the glitter and beauty interspersed with raw terror, the corsets and coming out parties, the ethereal, intoxicating magic and the horrors of everyday life, but most of all the smoldering forbidden glimpses and kisses when you're in that golden age just between girlhood and womanhood--! 👩‍🍳 💋

When I tell you we were FERAL for these before Twilight even existed... 😂. Anyyyyyway, I am looking for something with these kind of vibes, but a little more adult (higher stakes, slightly older/more mature characters, maybe some spice, etc). Any recs?! 🤞

u/BirdHistorical8774 — 8 days ago

Might be a bit niche, but for the gamer girlies in here, any recs for a romance similar to Astarion's from BG3? 😅

I've been playing through BG3 again and I'm so god damn obsessed with Astarion I'm neglecting my real world fiance a little too much lmao 🤣

For those who don't know him, this is what I'm looking for:

So Astarion was used as basically a sex slave for a long time, he is a vampire spawn and he was used by the vampire who turned him. I wouldn't say he was a sex slave necessarily but he was used by said vampire to seduce and lure many many people back to him so he could feed on them etc. and if he resisted Astarion would be badly tortured by him.

Obviously that isn't what I am looking for, but I do really like how his character evolves throughout the game, where he eventually can fall in love with you, he tells you about his tragic backstory, and he ends up having to I guess fight his past to have a healthy relationship with love/sex again. He literally admits he doesn't actually know how to form an intimate connection that isn't transactional or physical, which I kinda like, I don't know why. 😭 Also at first he is superficial and a flirt when you finally break down those walls and discover what happened to him and how he truly feels about you, it's SO GOOD.

(Another example of this I guess would be good old >!Rhysand !<(spoilered though I'm sure everyone knows this dude by now lol) since he is also used for sex and abused.

Not sure what this says about me and all of us who are into this stuff, I guess we just love a good tragic backstory, and for them to overcome this and learn to trust again.

Thank you in advance!!!! 😊

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u/xbumblebee — 8 days ago

What is your Smut/Plot ratio?

Some books are wholly romantic and focus on plot and lore and don’t even feature sex on page.

Some books have sex scenes and the parts between are just describing how they get to the next one.

Some books are better for having less sex, as I would rather books have no sex than bad sex, to be honest.

What is your ideal ratio? And how detailed do you like it? A lot of not detailed scenes or just one detailed scene? What is your ratio and where on the quantity/quality spectrum do you lie?

I love a slowburn, so when I say I want about 70-80% percent plot, I mean I want a good book, and then end it with an absolutely filthy and explicit scene. Open door? There is no door. They are under a slide of an electron microscope.

Shame that I can’t really find many books like that. Tbh, even most of the smut books I have read just have a lot of sex, and not a little quality sex. Maybe I just have impossible quality standards, haha.

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u/KaladinStormfaced — 8 days ago

What makes an MC compelling beyond being powerful/attracrive?

✨Welcome to another week of genre discussions!✨

Let’s chat main characters. Often in fantasy romance there’s an emphasis on magical or physical abilities that sets apart the MC from the rest of the world.

In your opinion, what makes an MC compelling beyond physical and magical abilities?

This could be character traits, values, relationships with others, or even physical traits depending on your own interpretations.

Remember to use > ! spoiler tags ! < with no spaces when going in-depth about book plots.

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u/acutelyproblematic — 8 days ago

Struggling through Iron Flame by Rebecca Yarros (book 2 of Fourth Wing)

I really enjoyed Fourth Wing, but am really finding it hard to get through book 2.

For one, it’s absolutely massive! I think some parts could have been edited out.

I do really like the idea of the signet powers but I feel like they’re barely used or shown beyond Violet and Xaden’s.

The brutality of the school also seems to have significantlay lessened in their 2nd year, which is fine if we could have seen more magic and dragons.

I’m in Part 2 now, but not sure if I’ll finish.

Is it worth it? Honest thoughts please

P.S I also find it hard to finish books one the romantic interests are together

UPDATE: Thank you for all of your comments! I’ve decided to stop reading the book. I’ve got a TBR list of 170 and only one life! So I’ll return this to the library and read a summary of the rest of the events if I’m feeling nosy. Really appreciate all of your insights! Very interesting about the series originally being 3 books

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u/natalie209 — 8 days ago

Accidental child or pet aquisition

Any recs where either the FMC and the MMC accidentally end up responsible for a kid (not a baby) or an animal

To be clear, NO pregnancy, NO babies and NONE of the MCs can be a biological parent.

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u/batcavegirl — 7 days ago

Crown Me Yours by Liv Zander

am a bit unwell. Please help. I genuinely cannot get over that ending. 😂 I’m still reeling. I even made a whole playlist because apparently simply finishing the book and moving on with my life was not an option.
This book felt like such a breath of fresh air for me, especially within romantasy. I’m notorious for DNF’ing romantasy books when they start feeling too predictable or like I’ve read the same story before, but I loved this one so much. It was short, but somehow it checked so many of my boxes.

And the ending??? It hit me to my core. I have such a weakness for doomed love stories, especially ones that end on that painfully beautiful, bittersweet note. I loved that there wasn’t some convenient loophole where someone transforms into a mortal and suddenly they get a traditional happily ever after. Their love is still there, and it still means something, but that doesn’t mean everything can be fixed.
That’s what got me. The ending is sad, but I wouldn’t necessarily call it tragic. It’s bittersweet. There’s still so much love in it, which almost makes it hurt more. It gave me that feeling of knowing things couldn’t have ended any other way while still desperately wishing they could have.
I think doomed love stories like this just hit me to my core. There’s something about two people loving each other so deeply while knowing that love can’t magically change every circumstance that gets me every single time.

Apparently, I enjoy emotional suffering as long as it’s beautifully written. 😂
I need to hear everyone else’s thoughts because I clearly cannot move on yet. Did you like the ending? Would you have wanted something different for Vale and Elara? And would you want this adapted into a show?

The playlist I made for Vale and Elara: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5H1T4vGUpYw0ynpo9a1PPk?si=8pNp8Q9vQLyRHfXJ91V4Nw&utm\_source=copy-link&pi=7Pj\_efELQP2tf

u/Environmental-Ad2353 — 8 days ago

Alchemy, Potion Brewing etc

Hello book affectionates!

I'm looking for books with actual Alchemy. Like brewing potions, lots of spell components, nerding about spells and ingredients and all the fuss. Like really brewing and casting should take space on page.

Must not be a romance but I'd enjoy it.

I don't want to ask in the normal fantasy sub, they often get very mansplainy and weird, especially if one of your conditions is there have yo be female characters with agency that should

Absolutely NO:

NC, SA on page, dark romance (grim dark settings are fine though). Poly or why chose. Love triangles, 1st person POV and present tense combined (very few can pull that off)

I did read {A Rival most Vile} that scratched this itch, but I would love more.

LOVE:

Greenflags and sweethearts of all genders, heros, villains that are actually just rebels, found family, pining, familiars, all kinds of creatures and magic, multiple povs

I thank you in advance and am looking forward to your suggestions!

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u/clerics_are_the_best — 8 days ago

About to dnf What Lies Beyond the Veil

Listening to the audiobook. Not sure if the narrator isn’t that good at male voices or if the mmc is really as annoying and awful as I think he is.

I should be totally into this mmc’s style (no idea how to spell his name since I’m listening) and all the shit they’re into, and I like the story, but for some reason I’m just really annoyed at his very existence. He’s just too much. I can’t tell if I would be as annoyed if I was just reading with my eyes (not a possibility rn thanks to perimenopause brain).

Talk me into or out of finishing. I made it as far as the first time they >!fuck in the bath in front of other people -which I should clarify, is right up my alley exactly and not a problem at all!<

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u/theFCCgavemeHPV — 8 days ago

Rider Academy Book Recs

Ok, I’ve been in a reading slump for a while and am really trying to find a new series. I’ve read Fourth Wing, Dragonriders of Pern, and the first book of Eragon. I liked the military academy concept and romance of Fourth Wing and the structure of the Weyrs in Pern, but I really struggled with the second book of Eragon.

I also can’t seem to read/finish books with MMCs anymore, which is making it hard to find.

Does anyone have any recommendations that are magical rider academies with FMCs and maybe a little romance? It doesn’t have to be dragons or spicy.

Thank you!

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u/Legitimate-Can9284 — 8 days ago

Saint of Steel by T. Kingfisher?

Have there been any updates regarding book 5 of the Saints of Steel series? I know there’s 7 books planned, but I haven’t been able to find any sort of updates regarding the next one! 😭

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u/Remarkable_Mud_928 — 7 days ago

Heart of Chaos by Madeleine Eliot review

{Heart of Chaos by Madeleine Eliot} is the first book of the Chaosborn series.

I have mixed feelings about this book, some parts I really enjoyed but there really was some missed opportunities that detract from the book. Overall I enjoyed it.

sub genre: none (norse inspired world with dragon shifters (with the dragons sharing the body of their bonded human))

Narration: 1st person dual POV, past tense

sexual content: open door sex scene

Writing:

The writing was good, it was descriptive without being overly flowery. I had no trouble picturing anything. However, there were those instances with small mistakes like someone standing up that is already standing. But that was only very few instances so I could overlook this.

Worldbuilding and story:

The world is under attack by Odemarksdyr, monsters from another world that spill into the world through a rift in the icy expanse of the Odemark. Defending the realms (humans, fae and all others) are the Drage, humans that bonded with dragons (who are also from a different world). The Drage share their bodies with their dragons, who are seperate beings, gaining the ability to shift into their dragon form, enhanced strength, hearing, healing and extended life. In exchange the dragons can escape their dying world (they have no physical form on their own in the world of our main characters).

The FMC, Eisa, is a slave in a tavern in the back end of nowhere. During the yearly search for new humans, that are able to bond to dragons - so called Chaosborn - she meets a drage, Arik, the MMC, that discovers that she is chaosborn and offers her a chance to become drage by buying her freedom to escape her life as a slave and to protect her friends, but in exchange she has to come to Ironholm, the fortress of the drage, and try to bond to a dragon to fight the odemarksdyr.

I really liked the norse inspired world, the norse inspired names, the dragons and the mystery of the dragon's dying world and the origin of the odemarksdyr and Eisa's heritage.

I just wish the author kept the shared feelings thing out of the dragon bond equation (more about that later, when I talk about the romance). But the book was interesting enough that I bought book 2 to know what happens next.

The book is very fast paced and there is a lot of action. I wish it would have been a bit slower because I think it would have worked better for the romance. It would have been more realistic if a bit more time had passed before they fell in love.

Characters:

I really liked Eisa, the FMC. She reacts appropriately for her situation, she does not just completely trust Arik. The only thing the general public knows about drage is that they are powerful and to be feared and that they fight against the monsters. They do not know they are shapeshifters, they think they ride dragons. They don't know about the specifics. And she operates based on that knowledge. He offers to buy out her slave contract and offers a clearly mutally beneficial bargain. But she is still wary, as she should be. She does not just mouth off at him immediatelly nor does she just shrink away.

I just found that she pretended for too long to not like Arik when she clearly did.

I loved her character development. She has been a slave for a long time so the thought of her having power to do with what SHE wants to do does not even cross her mind at first. But she gets there. I thought she had solid decision making skills, knew with whom and when to keep her mouth shut and with whom she can be more open. She did not make stupid descicions constantly which is a huge plus for me.

She has very, very rare blood which allows her to bond to the strongest kind of dragons. So she is definitely the chosen one.

I liked her relationship with her best friend Branka, they clearly love each other very much and they are very supportive of each other.

I also really like Arik, the MMC. He is a good person who takes his responsibility to protect the realm from the odemaksdyr very seriously. It is so important to him, that he does gives his best to convince the FMC to come to Ironholm - that includes not giving her all the information about the drage. Time is running out and he plans on giving her all relevant information once in the fortess. It does not sit right with him to do this and I liked that he recognizes that and makes no excuses for his behaviour. He knows when to keep his mouth shut with the boss of all drage whichbis rare for MMC and I really appreciated this. He is kind, honorable and very protective and supportive.

So when his personality glitches a few times in the book for a oneliner, it really sprised me. He had these standard cocky/arrogant lines from standard romantasy heroes three or four times which made me wonder where that came from since it does not fit his character at all. It feels like the author was trying to appeal to the shadow daddy fans here with a character that just is no shadow daddy. That was disappointing but it was not that often that it impacted the book very negatively but I still noticed it. At least Arik's dragon calls him out on it...

I liked Arik's team mates and the dragons.

The villain, however, was to one dimensional for me. I get it, he is an old man stuck in his ways but the way he actively works against Arik no matter the significant negative consequences to the very important fight against the odemarksdyr was sometimes too much.

Romance:

Generally I liked the romance. However, I have a few grievances.

Arik is bonded to his dragon, Baldur. Baldur's dragon mate, Idunn, is a blue dragon, the most powerful kind of dragon who can only bond to humans with very rare blood. Eisa has this blood. Therefore Arik really wants Eisa to bond this blue dragon to have a chance against the odemarksdyr.

As I explained above, the dragons are seperate beings, but when they bond with the human they also kind of become one, two halfs of the same coin. They can talk to each other in their minds and can feel what they feel and the lines blurr who feels what. That includes sexual desire.

So it is clear, that if Eisa decides to bond to Idunn, Idunn will want to have sex with Baldur, because he is her dragon mate. Since the dragons have no form of their own, Eisa and Arik would have to have sex for the dragons to have sex.

This could have been an interesting conundrum:

Being a slave Eisa had no good experiences with sex, she was not raped but always had to fear it. So she has no sexual experience. Arik simply wants to have a powerful ally for the fight.

It was the perfect setup for a great slow burn - if the author had just decided to keep the feelings of dragon and human completely seperate. Arik promises Eisa if he bonds to Idunn, he will not force himself on her, he will wait until she wants him. The author had the opportunity to let Arik slowly gain Eisa's trust and let them get to know each other while dealing with their dragons already being in love. The humans falling in love as well would have been so much more believable that way.

Instead Arik and Eisa are heavily influenced by their dragons love and desire for each other, so they fell in love very quickly, especially Arik. Wasted potetial, it could have been awesome.

Furthermore, I did not really like the idea of them basically having a foursome, the lines between the drage and dragons really blurr during moments of sexual desire.

But in the end I was able to look past this, especially because Arik is very kind and patient with Eisa and I liked them as characters whom I liked to see happy and in love because they both deserved someone good and decent in their lives.

u/Longjumping-Snow-909 — 7 days ago

The Hirathean Path...gutted!

I'd read Book One {A Web of Vows and Vengence by Aria Ashbrook} and Book Two of the Hirathean Path series and enjoyed them. Certain bits grated on me, but I was still looking forward to Book Three.

Unfortunately, the third installment {Blood of Truth and Traitor's by Aria Ashbrook}, recently released, was a heaping pile of steaming turd and I DNFd it at 75%.

I'm gutted, so many elements had such promise, new characters and magic, new scenery... and then Ashbrook screwed it all with gushing and sickening relationships and terrible pacing. The new stuff might as well not have existed! Nothing bloody happens that couldn't have been wrapped up in 5 or 6 chapter's, instead of spinning it out for over 40.

And another thing....why do writers feel like they need each of their little cliques to hook up with one another and who all conveniently end up being world ending loves and fated mates? Is this just a tactic to exclude the prospect of new outside characters, or because they're too lazy to nurture a role in the narrative that isn't a romantic one. Ugh!

I need a book that looks beyond the main characters and weaves them in to a more developed storyline... I'm off to peruse the kindle store.

Kind regards

Frustrated from the book chair!!!

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u/Mook_138 — 8 days ago

Looking for multi POV, no separation trope, great plot and spice

Preferably completed or close to it. I just finished The Kindred's Curse series and I ended up hating it so much, I need something to remind me why I love reading 🤣

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u/GardeningGardenGirl — 8 days ago

Does the “Dangerous Damsels” series have to be read in order?

Just as the title says. I was finally able to buy The Secret Service of Tea and Treason by India Holton, which is the 3rd book in her Dangerous Damsels series. I am still looking for the first book and it looks like the second book will never become available in my country 😞

So how confused will I be if I start from the third book? Did some searching, apparently each book has a different pairing but set in the same universe. Just wanted to consult this sub to see if they can be read as stand-alone books. Thanks in advance!

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u/slight_viability — 8 days ago

High concept worldbuilding recs?

Give me books where the worldbuilding, relationship dynamic, anything, has a kind of elevated concept to it that sets it apart. I don't mind a generic fantasy kingdom or fae court but I'm looking for something with a little more to it.

Examples of what i mean by High Concept: Something like Soul Eater, where there's a school for warriors, and their partners who shapeshift into weapons. Or in Pacific Rim where robots that are controlled by plugging two human pilots' brains into each other and they share thoughts and feelings, and the story is emotional and leans into the power of love and humanity. It doesn't have to be a 100% unique high concept (mechs and schools have been done before) i just want something fun and interesting that is set apart.

A general rule of thumb is "if you published a book set in this universe and just changed 'jaegers' to 'mechs' would you very likely still get hit with a lawsuit?" If the answer is a confident yes then that's what I'm after.

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u/crowcaws_art — 7 days ago