r/learndutch

Verschil "dames en heren" en "jongens en meisjes"

We zeggen "dames en heren". En mijn gok is dat we door etiquette de vrouw eerst benoemen. Maar waarom zeggen we dan niet "meisjes en jongens"? Waarom is dat niet idiomatisch?

Ik probeerde dit online te zoeken, maar er is niet één duidelijk antwoord.

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u/Taaldus — 23 hours ago

slight tone - dus niet brommen

as a beginner learner, am i correct in understanding there is a slight tone to these signs? like you can bike here but therefore you definitely can’t motor?

u/moderationscarcity — 1 day ago

Can I add anything else?

Goedemorgen!

I imagine this has been asked but I have read through the comments on other posts and checked the resources linked in the subs page.

I am currently studying with the routledge intensive course book alongside my own notes. I read Olly Richards' stories as best I can. I use duolingo (not the best I know), also some other apps. And I listen to the podcast "een beetje nederlands" - and Npo 1 for exposure. (I am also lucky enough to have a dutch girlfriend to bounce off).

I dont reallly want to go down the avenues of a tutor as I prefer self study and dont really have time around work.

Is there any resources etc I can add to what im currently working with?

Dankje for the advice and apologies if this has been asked but I think ive exhausted what has been commented before really.

THANK YOU!! 💕

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u/Rocket_Drew_05 — 1 day ago

How to understand very fast speech

I can do the B2 listening exercises, listening to NOS op 3 with not so much difficulty. But, when it comes to hanging out at the office with my colleagues, I find it very hard to follow their speech because it is so fast and weird, and I cannot guess what they say based on the context.

I found a very good example video, with correct subtitles, that illustrates my point https://youtu.be/_z7fea8RUfA?si=23k9w0YRmV-jAWjV&t=734, like here he says "Je kunt je niet ergens voor inschrijven, ik wil alleen opbouwen, alleen dit. Dat geldt niet altijd, Bijvoorbeeld podiumbouw, dat zijn over het algemeen dezelfde mensen." or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z7fea8RUfA&t=766s "Vanaf december komen we met alle teamleiders opbouw en afbrak bij elkaar...". He says things very fast and mumbling, and I have to not only replay but really read the subtitle.

Or like https://youtu.be/_z7fea8RUfA?si=aCcCmnfJaFayZKba&t=791 "Wanneer er A, geen ongelukken zijn gebeurd..."; without subtitles I won't get the "er A" part of things!

This is also how I found my colleagues speak, and unfortunately, unlike Youtube vids, I cannot rewind them. This is very different to listening exercises for NT2 exams or Inburgering.

Does anyone ever get used to this? What would be the best way to get there? Just keep on rewinding the same video (like e.g. the above) or podcast over and over again?

u/makeevolution — 1 day ago

Hoe kan ik mijn Brabants luistervaardigheden verbeteren?

Hoi allemaal, ik woon in Eindhoven. Officieel heb ik taalniveu B2. In sommige situaties vermoed ik dat ik hoog B2 tot C1 heb en. Mijn ex pratte bijna aleen Nederlands tegen mij (hij kwam uit de randstad), en veel collega's hier in Eindhoven spreken ook alleen Nederlands tegen mij. Ik luister naar NOS en NPO podcasts zonder moeite of problemen.

...maar ik merk dat de accent van sommige mensen hier in Eindhoven is voor mij like a next-level boss (voornamelijk lagere opgelid mensen die vanuit deze regio komen, bijvoorbeeld een vriend van mij die eigen bouwbedrijf heeft, sommige mensen die hier in de buurt wonen, ezv).

Deze mensen weten dat ik goed Nederlands kan praten, maar zodra zij iets zeggen is er een 50% kans dat ik er niets van begrijp. Ik moet constant vragen dat ze zich herlanen of langzaamer praten totdat ze het gewoon makkelijker vinden om over naar het Engels switchen. Verder vinden veel mensen dat ze gewoon normaal ABN praten wanneer dat helemaal niet zo is en het lijkt me een beetje bot om dat tegen hun te gaan zeggen..

Hoe kan ik mijn Brabants luistervaardigheden verbeteren? Gewoon vaker praten met brabantse mensen helpt tot nu toe helaas niet zo veel.

Alvast bedankt!

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u/dobbythehufflepuff — 1 day ago

Intense language lessons?

Everything I've looked at online specializes in "just 5-20min a day!" But I have a minor learning disability that makes that method awful for me. I'd forget what I did before the next day.

I'm also extremely bad at switching tasks, so I find myself just not doing it...

What I need, is a dedicated, multiple hours a day, heavy duty lesson plan. Something I can sit down and really *focus* on.

I've been living in the Netherlands for 2 months so far, and despite what everyone says, immersion sucks. Everyone just speaks English!

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u/Monad-Rymael — 2 days ago

"zegt jou dat iets?" - how the hell is that a correct sentence?

native dutch speaker and tutor, and i know this is the correct sentence. Just like "Lijkt jou dat leuk?" of "valt jou dat ook op?".

But for the life of me, i can't figure out why this is correct. Subject is 3rd place here, object pronoun on second. How the hell is that correct? What's the theory here? Can anyone help me and therefore my students :P

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u/QuincyPoi — 2 days ago

What Dutch word did you pronounce incorrectly for the longest time?

For a while, I had a few Dutch words that existed only on paper in my head. I'd seen them enough times to know exactly what they meant, but I'd never actually heard anyone say them. So when I finally did, the pronunciation was nowhere near what I'd imagined.

I'd love to hear everyone's worst examples. Which word had you confidently saying it one way, only to later find out you'd been completely wrong?

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u/ArmadilloNo1789 — 3 days ago

Hallo 👋 kan je mij helpen?

I started learning dutch from scratch as a third language..

I’ve reached A2 in 2 months and I’m soooo happy..

I want to start reading some short and simple stories in dutch, as well as listening to a podcast or sth

Can you please help me finding a good story or a podcast?

Thanks in advance!

u/Mature_dude1 — 2 days ago

The Stupid Schedule of the Spreken Exam

I work with HSM visa and the company has announced that they will be laying me off soon.

Therefore, I need to finish my exams and apply for PR as soon as possible. I took my first exam 3 weeks ago, and when I checked, it said the results could take longer than 8 weeks to come back.

I saw people in various places who had been waiting for over 3 months. If I fail the first exam, finding another exam location and learning the results again means another 3-4 months. Therefore, even though I didn't know the results of the first exam, I took it again for the second time.

At the exam location, I spoke to some people and also saw my colleagues. I saw people who were taking the exam for the third or even fourth time for exactly the same reasons, and who didn't know any of their previous results.

These people may have passed their first exam, so there's no need for them to retake it and create more space for the evaluators. I know the government is shelling out 50 euros every time, but that's not enough.

In a system that so closely links people's lives, I find such a calendar unacceptable and malicious. When I spoke to the employees there, they said they had reported the staff shortage many times but nothing had been done. So this is not an unknown situation.

I know nothing is going to change because this does not affect Dutch citizens and EU citizens don’t need these exams. So no budget for filthy 3rd world country citizens.

Paying 50 euros a couple of times isn't a huge problem for me, and frankly, I'll go in again if I find a spot soon. This situation is quite critical for me; it's negatively affecting my mental health.

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u/Upbeat_Section5189 — 2 days ago

Can anyone explain wraparound verbs to me?

Hi, can anyone help explain wraparound verbs to me like “heb nodig”, how they are conjugated, and in what contexts to use them (coming from an English speaker).

Thanks,

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u/Initial-Bug-8266 — 2 days ago

Seeking casual Dutch tutoring in the Amsterdam De Pijp area

Hi all,

I am looking for a casual conversational Dutch tutor or language exchange in De Pijp. Prefer late mornings Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday. I don't need to pass the inburgering or anything, just want to improve conversational skills.

I'm wrapping up Rosetta Stone Dutch, and while it's been great for vocabulary, conjugations, and sentence structure, it hasn't been very helpful in casual conversation as nobody seems to want to follow the script it teaches.

No idea what the going rate is for these things? Maybe €20 and I'll buy you a coffee and pastry? Please correct me if I'm way off. I live right by Woof & Me so bonus points if you have a ~10kg dog and want to make this a puppy play date thing as well.

Not sure I can offer much in the way of language exchange. Native English (American) speaker with passable Spanish.

I'm 30s male married, prefer similar demographic with a native Amsterdam dialect.

Thanks!

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u/CommentsTheLetterE — 2 days ago

A1 learner struggling with Dutch word order — any tips?

Hi everyone! I'm currently learning Dutch with a tutor and I'm around A1/early A2 level. I'm enjoying learning Dutch, but I'm struggling a lot with word order when I try to make my own sentences.

I understand some of the basic rules individually, such as:

  • normal sentence: Ik leer Nederlands.
  • time expression first → inversion: Morgen heb ik les.
  • modal verb + infinitive: Ik wil iets met rijst eten.

But when I actually have to speak, I often don't know where to put everything.

For example, I'm still confused about things like:

Kunnen we daar eten?
Why is daar before eten?

Na het eten ga ik naar school.
Why does ga come before ik?

Ik ben Nederlands aan het leren.
When should I use aan het instead of simply Ik leer Nederlands?

I'm also trying to learn how to talk about things I am doing, did, and will do, but I find myself translating from English and getting the word order wrong.

For people who learned Dutch as a second language: what helped you make Dutch word order feel more natural instead of having to consciously think about every rule?

Did you memorize sentence patterns/chunks, do a lot of speaking practice, or something else?

Any advice would be really appreciated!

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u/whyrraine — 4 days ago

Weird Dutch words

Some words I come across in Dutch and I naturally try to guess the meaning of word.

Like Samenwonen = is living + together

terugkomen = is return + coming

schoonmaken = schoon ( clean/ beautiful ) + maken ( to make) = to make it clean

most of the time I have guess the meaning right but there are times when I absolutely mess up.

For example this:

schoonmoeder, and I go.. schoon ( ok cleaning ) + moeder (means mother) -> ahhh. cleaning + mother.. what the F is that!! and then I go google it, what does it mean = damn it.. mother in law. I would have never guessed it right. Infact, I was ROFL!!

Do you have more such words which have absolutely weird or different meaning from the words forming it. pls share.

#Vocabulary

#LetsLearnDutch

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u/Ok-Bet2975 — 5 days ago

Writing exam A2 tips, pattern and resources and grading system

Im so nervous cause it's also my first exam, and I need resources for more practice cause I've heard it is repeated most of the time what should I focus on the most

Any resources for that and what 4 questions are usually common ig?

I also would like to know on what basis I can score the post points on cause it's really short sentences for me to prove my skills?

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u/DocumentMaleficent36 — 4 days ago

What's the difference between 'blij' and 'gelukkig'?

Duolingo puts 'gelukkig' as 'happy'. What's the difference with 'blij'? Are they interchangeable?

EDIT: Wow, that was quick. Thanks everyone for your kind and explanatory replies! I get it now

u/APeX_1996 — 6 days ago

How do you deal with Dutch words that have multiple meanings?

I've come across quite a few Dutch words that seemed straightforward at first, only to see them used later in a completely different context with another meaning. That can be confusing because you think you know the word, then suddenly the sentence doesn't make sense at all.

When you run into words like that, how do you usually learn them? Do you make a note of each meaning as you come across it, or have you found that repeated exposure makes the different meanings easier to recognise naturally?

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u/Head_Cake_6778 — 6 days ago