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The State as a site of class struggle

I personally believe in the idea, best theorized by Poulantzas in his later work, that the State, while not a neutral tool, is a social relation, and thus a site of class struggle.

It is first not self-evident just by looking at it that the bourgeoise, acting out of (by what is assumed to be) purely economic interest, would choose this specific formation of the state. What does the bourgeoise have to gain from a national-popular system, in where people’s relationship to the state is through citizenship, whether that be formal, ethnic or civil, rather than the class based relationships we see in previous systems. What do the bourgoise gain from impelemting genuine democratic institutions, where all citizens get one vote.

Univeral citizenship as the primary relation to the state is a genuinely strange thing for a class-conscious bourgeoise to have produced out of pure economic interest. What citizenship does is create a political subject that is defined explicitly not by their position in production.
In fact, universal citizen was historically produced by class struggle. It was brought into existence on terrain the brourgeoise didnt fully control.

We also must touch on social benefits and labor protections. The instrumentalist position cannot explain social security, redistributive systems, universal healthcare etc etc. Most Marxists would agree that social benefits are expressions of class struggle. Marx himself stated that a subsistence wage is socially and morally detirmed and a direct expression of class struggle.

If states were political dominons of one clsss over another, by what mechanisms is class struggle able to express itself at the level of politics, producing what we today experience as social benefits? You *could* argue that they are consessions of the ruling class to maintain legitimacy and control, and in many specifc cases you wouldn’t be wrong per se. But that proves my point none the less. The ruling class conceeding to the struggle of the subordinate classes assumes there was territory to be conceded in the first place. That its a site of class struggle.

And even if they were just consessions to maintain legitimacy, at some point mateiral conditions have their own consequences, regardless of intent. But also, if social benefits were purley functional concessions by a class that retained full contol, there would be no reason for neoliberal rollback. You’d expect them to be stable and adjusted only as needed for legitimacy.

Now, of course, this doesn’t mean the state is neutral or captured, as I mentioned in the beginning. But we cannot ignore the fact that the state takes a form that is, often times, frustrating for a class conscious owning class.

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u/haevow — 3 hours ago

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u/revolvergod — 16 hours ago

Some socialist symbols in Berlin :)

Just thought these were cool. Unfortunately the Marx-Engels forum was closed.

u/cappuccinofreddo — 18 hours ago

Thoughts on Marx allegedly having a kid with his maid?

I've seen anti-communist slop accounts using this argument a lot lately as a gotcha against leftists, does it change your perspective on Marx in any way?

Like obviously it's an ad hominem argument but I'm still admittedly surprised to see it's almost never mentioned within leftist circles

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Thoughts on this handsome gentleman?

Personally I 100% subscribe to the theory that Engels just made him up to fuck with Marx. I know it’s probably not true but I find it really funny so I choose to believe.

u/SatanicPeach_666 — 1 day ago

Is there a term for this?

Hello comrades,

I’m looking for if there is a word for this concept relating to imperialism/colonialism in marxist or neo-marxist thought. The whole phenomenon of peripheral nation-states kind of get “stuck” after imperialism and aren’t able to climb their way out.

For example (I know these are slightly different things)

- states trying to nationalize industry and getting shut down by the west (like Libya or Iran)

- states that struggle politically or become unstable/reactionary after liberation from colonial powers (like in many places in Africa)

- states that are unable to organize opposition to liberal ideology (often from within, because of western influence) (like Ukraine)

I know basically why these things happen, but I want to know if there is a word for these things. Feel free to share anything that you can think of, probably Fanon has words for this? I come from an ML background. TIA

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u/ivyyyoo — 20 hours ago

Books/Info on Mao Bad

So I’ve been reading Fanshen by Thomas Hinton and it’s been a really great read and a pretty great primer on the Communist revolution in China from a grassroots standpoint.

Now I’m on a bit of a China kick and I am hoping to find some books or information on things like the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution in the post war period.

Hoping to find some historically grounded info that’s not “100billion dead because Mao was a serial killer!!!!” Vibes.

Anything I should check out?

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u/Microsomal — 1 day ago
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The meaning of Trump’s trip to China | AGAINST THE STREAM

I know it's a few days old already but this podcast episode is just amazing. FYI: it's an official podcast of the Revolutionary Communist International (RCI)

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u/ygoldberg — 1 day ago

China has become woke (not really)

>In a response to a suggestion letter, the Supreme People's Court of China stated: “To implement the provisions of laws such as the Constitution, the Civil Code, and the Employment Promotion Law, and to effectively safeguard citizens' personal dignity against infringement, the Supreme People's Court hereby clarifies the following adjudication rules: ...First, regarding cases involving the public insult or defamation of an individual's sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression, People's Courts generally deem such acts to constitute an infringement of general personality rights; they shall order the cessation of the infringement, the issuance of an apology, and compensation for emotional distress, thereby explicitly establishing the illegality of discriminatory speech and conduct based on sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression. ...Second, in the contexts of recruitment, hiring, job reassignment, or dismissal, should an employer engage in differential treatment on the grounds of sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression, People's Courts shall, in accordance with the law, determine that the employer has committed employment discrimination; they shall order the revocation of the relevant decision, compensation for losses, and other remedies, thereby explicitly prohibiting unreasonable discrimination based on sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression within the sphere of employment. ...Third, should a school impose improper disciplinary measures upon a student—or fail to fulfill its administrative duties, thereby resulting in campus bullying—on the grounds of the student's sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression, People's Courts shall, in accordance with the law, hold the school liable, thereby reinforcing the school's obligation to protect students' personal liberty and dignity. ...These cases collectively demonstrate the People's Courts' unequivocal stance regarding the equal protection of the legitimate rights and interests of sexual minorities—namely, that any unreasonable discrimination based on sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression is strictly prohibited by law. ...Moving forward, we will continue to systematically review cases across the country involving the protection of the rights and interests of sexual minorities, summarize adjudication rules, and standardize adjudication criteria. At appropriate junctures, we will formalize established adjudication rules through mechanisms such as judicial interpretations, conference minutes, guiding cases, reference cases, and exemplary cases, thereby strengthening the supply of legal norms. Furthermore, we will incorporate topics such as the protection of personality rights into judicial training programs to ensure the lawful protection of citizens' personal liberty and dignity.”

Where is my social conservatism? I can't believe they betrayed us /j

(It's not a policy but only a court explanation, some people say that it means nothing)

u/OSKlalala — 2 days ago

The Center Must Hold

Being a centrist is more complex than it may appear, its a perfect balance between dunking on the left while defending the right, it's an art some would say.

u/SexyBrownMale — 3 days ago
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PSA: One of the most impressive Asian American resources I've ever seen is now available for free

The UCLA Asian American Studies Center released a free massive online textbook on Asian American history and culture. It's authored by a rather jaw-droppingly impressive list of Asian American studies academic all-stars, and I highly recommend this resource for anyone wanting to learn more about Asian American history, issues, and cultural production. AND AGAIN, IT'S FREE!!!

https://www.foundationsandfutures.org/

Check it out yourself, send it to your friends. It's beautiful, it's multimedia, it's accessible, and it's extremely well researched and written by some of the top scholars of the field.

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u/pwnedprofessor — 3 days ago