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The article "The Workers Party of Korea and Revisionism" by Bill Bland claims that north korea is revionist for

•Not oposing Krushevite Revisionism

•alliance with the bourgeoisie even after the anti imperialist revolution in colonial countries

•class colobartion for peaceful remoulding of the national capitalists

•North Korea had a cult of personality around Kim il Sung and Kim jong il

• allowing foreign investment in north korea in special economic zones

•claiming that man plays the decisive role in history and not material conditions

•Not having objective definitions of class but instead dividing society into masses of the people and non masses of the people based on weather they approve of the country

•prioritizing the ideological remoulding of man over creating the material conditions for socialism

•claiming that workers should be incentived morally and politically more that materialy

•oposing an international marxist leninist organization

I disagree with the article claiming that north korea didn't opose Krushevite Revisionism based on a few quotes when in reality, north korea did infact opose Krushevite Revisionism and did not inact Krushevite policies of deStalinisation or peaceful coexistence with the west. it simply chose to not openly criticize the soviet union as to not trigger a split which I believe was the right move because through staying neutral it was able to continue having aid from both the soviet union and China and did not follow China into alliance with the west. This however didn't stop the soviet union from cutting aid from north korea for not inacting Krushevite policies. I also disagree that north korea was class colobartionist for not exproiprating private property through force but instead negotiating with the capitalists and forming types of cooperatives, Bill Bland says that north korea allowed capitalists to continue exsisting but this is not true, in the same article its never stated that capitalists can simply chose to not convert thier private property into cooperatives but instead that it simply shouldn't be done through coercion or force but instead voluntarily, its even stated that Kim il sung declared north korea socialist after 100% of capitalists joined cooperatives which implies that no capitalist was able to continue exsisting. Bill Bland also claims that there were cults of personality, however he substantiated this point by saying that the birthday holidays of the leaders of north korea were very extravagant and expensive and uses an American source. Personally I dont think having a holiday around a nation's leader proves a cult of personality, and I dont think the American source used to determine the extravagance of the holiday celebration is very reliable, however there is some credit in that its stated by Kim Jong il that essentially the leader determines everything and you must be loyal to the leader which I think is very suspicious.

I agree with all other claims by Bill Bland based on the evidence in the article but I also want to get other people's opinions

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Many of the first victims of the concentration camps, before the Jews were sent to them, were communists and socialists. Thalmann was first arrested in 3 March 1933, this was after he went underground to avoid Nazi persecution after the Reichstag Fire False Flag. The reason of his capture are known, his location was given up to the Gestapo by Hermann Hilliges who lived next to the (not-so) safehouse.

Thalmann spent 11 years in solitary confinement, but he did manage to smuggle various notes and letters out. Members of the KPD who had fled to Moscow managd to convince the USSR to support Thalmanns release, however after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact the Soviets massively cut back on their support for his release, including replacing the slogan of International Youth Day from "Long live Comrade Thälmann!" to "Long live the wise foreign policy of the Soviet Union, guided by Comrade Stalin's instructions."

1. Most normal voters are not as politically literate or informed as the average leftist, and will not ever be

2. The Overton Window is a legitimate political concept and revolutionary/radical ideas and actions will not be seen as reasonable by most people unless they are literally on the brink of being unable to survive

3. Lofty ideals don’t win politics, tangible action and good governance do

The DSA’s ”abolish the senate” demand is just fucking ludicrous and it is going to hurt them. Obviously it makes sense from the standpoint of trying to create a good, representative democracy, but the overwhelming majority of Americans hear this and check out because it just sounds stupid. Plus the Senate‘s existence and structure is basically impossible to change because it would require senators to sign away their entire position and all their power to constitutionally amend Article V, which they would never do.

why do leftist orgs keep shooting themselves in the feet like this

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1. Communism can't work because of human nature

2. Marxism is a religion/cult

3. Communism killed XYZ people

4. Communism always fails/never worked

5. Communism always results in dictatorship

6. Marxism is non-falsifiable

7. Mudpie argument

8. Economic Calculation Problem

9. Capitalists earned and deserve their wealth

10. Good on paper, bad in practice

11. Capitalism is the best system so far

12. "That wasn't real communism" argument

13. No food

14. No innovation

15. Berlin wall

16. Same thing as nazism/fascism

17. It's an evil ideology

18. Socialdemocracy is the best ideology

19. No empirical proof of LTV

20. The tragedy of the commons

21. Lack of incentive to work

22. Local knowledge problem

23. Lack of Creative Destruction

24. Capitalism lifted billions out of poverty

25. Marxism is utopian

26. Claiming that all history is one of class struggle is reductionist

27. USSR damage to environment (es. Aral Sea)

28. "The New Class" theory

29. Lack of checks and balances

30. Communism is a pretext so dictators can get to power

help me gather more anti communist arguments if you have anything else (bonus if someone can comment a counter-argument to all of these)

second largest legal party on the mainland