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Was Cao Cao and the Cao Wei actually legalist?

Was Cao Cao and the Cao Wei an real legalist? In my opinion, no. In the books he said to apply strict laws, meritocracy, state control of wealth. However he avoids certain principles that separated him from other dynasties like the Qin.

-Not naming himself the ruler of China when he got control of the Emperor. A rather feudalistic belief system naming him first King of Wei.

-The focus on skeming and maneuvering in court politics rather than battlefield success. Cao Pi for example was very focused and cutthroat politics involving daggers and armor in court.

-The focus on the Prime Minister rather than the Emperor. I feel Cao Cao and Cao Pi fell for this philosphy and gave future prime minister much more power than they should so Sima Yi just copied him.

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u/Correct_Broccoli_448 — 2 hours ago
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Introducing: rotk.net - Interactive Book Website

I've been working on a little side project for awhile to create a rich interactive version of "The Romance of Three Kingdoms' book online, and I think I'm ready to share the first version with the public. You can access it here: https://rotk.net

The book is sourced from the fifth version on https://threekingdoms.com/ (Written by Luo Guanzhong, Translated by C. H. Brewitt-Taylor, Edited by Khang Nguyen). The book is in public domain, so I hope there are no issues hosting this specific version, but if anyone has any information otherwise, please reach out to me.

The character information is mostly sourced from Wikipedia.

The images are mostly sourced from images found on the koei fandom site.

The features of this version:

  • Interactive character names for each chapter. Click to see a portrait and get other information on this character.
  • Characters list. Search, filter, sort on characters.
  • Factions list. Search, filter, sort on factions.

Future features:

  • better mobile/responsive viewing
  • Interactive Map
  • Social layer perhaps for adding annotations like in threekingdoms.com

There is still a lot of manual clean-up that needs to be done on the data itself. This is where, I would LOVE your help! My knowledge of the book and characters is not as strong as others on here, in fact, a main reason I built this site is to help me with that. If anyone is interested in gaining admin access to the site, then please DM me on here or in the discord sever I created (pasted below). I have built tools that allows us to:

  • change faction colours
  • change role colours
  • fix the wrong character being linked to a chapter
  • editing which images to display/hide to the front-end, as well as default image
  • handle duplicates

Discord Link: https://discord.gg/yt6X3J9a

u/rentonl — 8 hours ago

Three Kingdoms: Fate of the Dragon, Has anyone played this game?

I was looking for a 3K game besides ROTK, DW, and TW:3K and I came across this game. I searched for gameplay on YouTube and found it to be an RTS game. So, I wanted to ask, has anyone played this game? What do you think? And do you think it needs a remaster or a remake?

u/Original_Position_50 — 8 hours ago

Red Cliff, a Hail Marry?

The more I think about it, the more this looks like a hail Marry from the allies' perspective. Sure, Zhou Yu and Huang Gai knew the terrain, but having the wind change direction at the right time is just crazy.

Yangze is also big enough that the local effect could overpower the seasonal prevailing wind near the shore. This means that not only the prevailing wind had to change direction, it also had to happen outside a certain window when the local effect is strongest.

In RoTK, this is solved by simply having Zhuge Liang perform a Taoism ritual. But it comes down to the allies' having better luck than Cao Cao.

Also, I don't get the logic of tying the ships together either. How could the ships maneuver, being tied together like that? Was Cao Cao trying to build a pontoon bridge with ships tied together like that? Was Cao Cao trying to build a floating island? What good would that do?

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u/StudiousFog — 18 hours ago

Cao Cao and his crew in Westeros.

Cao Cao's initial crew after the fracture of coalition, shortly after Qingzhuo corps stablished.

His crew includes figures like Xiahou Dun, Xiahou Yuan, Dian Wei, his son Cao Ang, Lady Ding, Yu Jin, Gua Jia and Xu Chu with his 30'000 Qingzhuo soldiers and some conspricts dropped in Westeros after death of Ned.

How would he fare in Westeros?

u/Syntaris0118 — 1 day ago

Here is an updated three kingdom USA map since the last one was well liked

Cao Wei -> Kennedy Massachusetts: Kennedy clan of Boston took over the government and rename the country to Massachusetts.

Dukedom of Jin -> State of Illinois: The Obama clan of Chicago took over the government of Kennedy Massachusetts and enlarged the state of Illinois with several surrounding states.

Eastern Wu -> Southern Confederacy: Direction + place name

Jiao Province Rebellion (263 - 271) -> New Mexico Rebellion: Trying to break away from the Southern Confederacy.

u/hansololz — 17 hours ago

Thoughts on Yokoyama’s Sangokushi?

I’ve been watching the anime and some of the manga and I think it’s very good, the most accurate Japanese adaptation except for a few subplots afaik. I’m curious to see if anyone else has seen it and how it compares to other adaptations of the three kingdoms story.

If Zhuge Ke didn’t get killed, would he have made a big difference in Zhuge Dan’s rebellion?

Let say he owned up to his mistake and didn’t go nuts after losing the Battle of Hefei or survived the whole murder plot. Would he make a difference in being the one to lead troops to aid Zhuge Dan’s rebellion in 258?

Was Sun Ce cruel?

I was watching a historical series on the beginning of the Three Kingdoms period produced by a Chinese historian and he mentioned that Sun Ce was assassinated in part because of his cruelty but doesn't go into further detail. What cruel deeds might this historian be referring to?

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u/DinerEnBlanc — 2 days ago

Jingzhou (maps showing stages of ownership)

Legend: Blue represents area under Cao Cao's control; Red = Sun Quan; Orange = Liu Biao; Green = Liu Bei 劉備流鼻涕.

First picture shows the province prior to its annexation by Cao Cao; and the demise of Liu Biao

Second picture shows how 大耳賊 'borrowed' Jingzhou after the battle of Red Cliffs. Note the northern part Nanyang is now under Cao Ren's guard.

Third picture shows how the three commanderies of Changsha, Lingling and Guiyang were reluctantly returned to Wu after the 出身下贱靠编草鞋为生之偽君子 (the hypocrite lowlife who made straw sandals for a living) stole Yizhou from his royal kin, during the contest wtih Cao Cao for the control of Hanzhong.

Last picture shows the aftermath of Guan Yu's 大意失荆州

u/Patty37624371 — 1 day ago

Liu Biao, why didn't he succeed despite having one of the best starts among the warlords?

He arguably had the best territory at the start, capable officials and officers, and was arguably the strongest warlord in the south after Sun Jian's death. So why didn't he succeed? Is it because he was too passive, or was he incompetent, or were there internal disputes that prevented him from succeeding? And why didn't he conquer the southeast before Sun Ce conquered it?

u/Original_Position_50 — 3 days ago