As an ADC we suffer the same issues with those dirty mages in the botlane. How bad are ranged tops in the top lane, I play a decent amount of top lane myself, I play Gwen top (69% winrate btw), and I’ve never really struggled with ranged THAT much.

In botlane it’s like the mages will make the lane completely unplayable, you can’t trade with them, they’ll poke you out, you can’t farm under tower, you’ll be down like atleast 60 cs. They can perma push every wave and you can’t do anything to contest it. Mid to late game they completely out range you in team fights and make it almost impossible for you to play against them. You’ll be constantly chunked out while trying to get the midlane wave. Ya know

Edit: explain how bad ranged top is to me, since I play Gwen idk

So I'm new to the game been playing mostly draft with my friends because ranked looks scary . Morde and Mundo are my 2 faves top rn but 1 character that I absolutely hate is Nasus , he is the most braindead champ ever I swear and when I looked at the database for morde it said that Nasus was weak against morde with a 46% win rate which I don't understand because by the mid game I can't do shit to him , I get it that by the early I should dominate him but Nasus mains once they get their 3 abilities they just poke me with the death circle and play defensive and wait for the wave to bonce to their tower and I can't do anything after he farms 3 waves he outscales me so hard I can't beat them with my ult and his slow is completely broken , even if I beat him early and get the tower when I leave the lane he just farms a bit and outscales me completely genuinely what do you do against this champ my only hope is that 1 day riot will just delete this filth from the game

I am a bronze top laner, and my renekton always stomps lane, but I find myself getting bored with him since I fall off a cliff and can't carry games late no matter how ahead I got earlier. I am looking for a champ with great wave clear, good scaling, doesn't have to be the best, but needs to be viable to carry in drawn out games, and also supports a more aggressive play style of constantly looking for trades and doing stuff like tower diving, any recommendations are greatly appreciated!

While Alistar possesses a kit packed with crowd control and innate tankiness, shifting him from his intended Support role into the Top Lane is widely considered a massive liability in League of Legends. A deep dive into his baseline statistics, resource costs, and mechanical limitations reveals exactly why the Minotaur struggles to survive alone in a long solo lane.

1. Severe Lack of Wave Clear

Alistar’s biggest obstacle in the top lane is his inability to control the minion wave.

• High Cooldowns: His primary area-of-effect (AOE) abilities, Pulverize (Q) and Trample (E), have incredibly long cooldowns during the early game.
• Low Base Damage: His abilities deal very low damage to minions. If he uses them to clear a wave, he leaves himself completely defenseless against enemy trades.
• Under-Tower Pressure: Enemy top laners can easily shove massive minion waves under Alistar’s tower. This forces him to miss critical Last Hits (CS) and exposes his turret to early plate destruction.

2. Crippling Mana Constraints

Alistar's mana pool is designed around short, decisive skirmishes in the bottom lane, not sustained 1v1 attrition.

• Expensive Combos: Executing his signature Headbutt-Pulverize (W+Q) combo consumes a massive chunk of his starting mana bar.
• No Resource Sustain: Unlike traditional top lane tanks (such as Maokai or Cho'Gath), Alistar has no built-in passive to restore mana or health upon killing minions.
• Forced Recalls: Missing a single combo or attempting to push a wave can leave him completely OOM (Out of Mana), forcing inconvenient recall timings that lose him experience and gold.

3. Non-Existent 1v1 Kill Pressure and Scaling

Top lane is an island dominated by duelists, juggernauts, and split-pushers who thrive in prolonged fights.

• No Sustained Damage: Once Alistar drops his burst combo, his damage output plummets to zero. Champions like Fiora, Jax, or Darius will simply survive the initial knock-up and run him down with basic attacks.
• Poor Gold Scaling: Alistar does not scale efficiently with expensive top-lane gold income. A full-build Alistar offers roughly the same crowd-control utility as an Alistar built on a low-budget support economy.
• Zero Split-Push Threat: Because he damages towers incredibly slowly and cannot clear side-lane waves quickly, he cannot pressure the map alone in the mid-to-late game.

Alistar vs. Traditional Top Laners

Ultimately, while pick-potential and crowd control make Alistar an exceptional playmaker alongside an AD Carry, forcing him into a solo lane removes his greatest strengths. He becomes a low-income champion taking up a high-income slot, leaving his team without a true top-lane threat.

If you are trying to make a tank pick work in the top lane, I can provide a breakdown of better meta alternatives like Ornn or K'Sante, or I can share a Support Alistar guide to help you maximize his utility where he belongs. Which path would you like to explore?

I'm sick of ranged top. I give my time to enjoy playing top lane. Why do I play the game? To enjoy, right? Do I enjoy? Definitely not! I'm giving my time. I can study, I can watch a show or movie, I can play another game. Why would I give my time to this shit? Makes no sense, right?

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At first I was baffled by the fact that this champion is in the current state is in for like 5 patches in a row, but instead of getting tired of banning garen I decided to just play him and boy, it has been an awesome experience.

All I have to do is ban kayle and if there's a vayne top I either dodge or switch with mid and it's automatic win.

I climbed all the way from silver 3 to plat 2 so far and can't seem to stop.

I would advice anyone to start maining garen until they nerf him, which by the looks of it may never happen.

He counters adcs, at least in those elos, all I need to do is wait until item, then flash Q, slow (wait after they flash), E, ignite and ult and they are gone.

Has anyone else started to just main garen? Only weaknesses I see is if enemy team has 3 or more win conditions as I can always just erase the adc in 1 sec if they gapped mine.

I have issues with mord tbh, need more experience on that matchup, but other than that I can always split push, escape with Q, delete the carry fast, push lanes with E, etc.

I welcome any more tips, I plan to use this bad boy until diamond if possible.

Hi, usually i play mid but i like top so i have it as a secondary choice.

Having said that i don't have that much experience in match ups in top, i play mainly Pantheon, but i think i would like to try something that could cover what he lacks, could you give me some ideas? Thank you

If you are posting about ranged top. Cry in silence

I noticed something in my rank games if I solo kill the enemy top the worst playerbase in the game (junglers) would immediately turn off their brains and not do anything tops for 40+ minutes so I just stopped getting first blood in my games. All of a sudden junglers (Worst playerbase in the games) neurons started firing. I advise everyone to lose lane and let the (worst playerbase on the game on the best role) carry u to victory as the best devs ever (Worst devs ever) (Riot games) intended. P.S doesn't work on ranged top junglers (Worst playerbase in the game) hate making the game playable for you in a ranged matchup

Today I was playing some draft to learn some champs, and I was playing Sett against Nasus. My jg just started Voidgrubs with no setup, and our mid just bugged out, so it was a 2v3. I thought he would back off, but he didn't listen to my retreat pings, so I felt like I should go help him. My question is, if I know we don't have the tempo to contest an objective and I'm available, should I still try to help my jg or stay in lane?

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So I am trying to climb in ranked with Toplane as one of my two roles. Question is, how do I deal with assassins ? Who should I take whenever I wake up dealing with an Akali or a Zed or a Talon or a Naafiri ? Sure, there's Poppy for Dashes, I acknowledge that, but who else should I be having ready in case of such emergencies ? What items should I build ?

Do you forfeit some cs / exp to help them or do u say fuck that im playing for myself? or does it depend? (if so please explain)

I am a diamond jungler who wants to get better at toplane. I play Gwen and Jax. feels like nothing I do in toplane matters. I can stomp or get stomped and the game will continue regardless. but more than that, I don’t even know what I *should* be doing or when I should be roaming. are there any specific videos you can recommend to get me to diamond from emerald?

I thought I was a prodigy, due to the fact that I very rarely lose lane as a beginner playing Yasuo top. Alas, this has been disproven by my inability to climb the ranks as quickly as I want to. IM HARDSTUCK BRONZE 2 BRO HOW DO I STOP THE WIN LANE LOSE GAME CYCLE SOMEONE TELL ME WHEN I SHOULD START LOOKING TO IMPACT THE MAP AND WHAT I SHOULD LOOK TO IMPACT I WANNA CLIMB