u/mmjyn

Many times I had an idea of what a buff could be, because Yone needed them. Now I have no idea. What could the buff be? Yone is strong toplane, not strong in a way that he can stomp every matchup, but he is probably one of the most rewarding champions rn. Skill is very, very rewarded on Yone. (IMO Yone has the highest skill ceiling PAIRED with actual rewarding gameplay but thats a hot take). I am so happy that Yone is not dogshit weak now.

My predict is a mr buff or maybe some stuff like 1 armor, something like that. I dont think they will buff scalings in his abilities. (Imagine if they remove the crit penalty again lol)

After the midscope, Yorick was left with a kit that feels weak and bad to play. I think the reason is not only that his agency is now even lower than before, but because his kit makes no sense. There are more scenarios where the kit nerfs itself and helps the enemy, than the scenarios where it actually have some sort of sinergy.

PASSIVE:

- His passive is useless. It is only noticable in lategame when you want to push without Maiden, or you sent Maiden to a lane before, it can save you 4 seconds at best at the cost of having no passive all the earlygame and midgame.

- Ghouls are not the main source of anything. Not the main source of damage, not the identity of the champion.

Q and GHOULS:

- Q: Every single bit of power is in his Q. If you cant win short trades with it, you cant do anything. If you cant get close to hit it, you cant do anything. Same with getting outscaled so Q deals too little damage compared to other abilities (most of the time Q in lategame does 30% the damage of other champion's abilities) for example Nasus, Camille. In many matchups, champions that have abilities similar to Yorick's Q, deal so, so much more damage in a similar or even lower cooldown, that it makes Yorick literally useless and solo lose the game because of the pick.

- Q and GHOULS (longest part of the post): Most champions have some sort of sinergy in their abilities. Before the rework, Q was NOT enough no make Yorick a menace, he needed Q and E with ghouls. Ghoul damage couldn't be ignored and Q provided quick damage and healing. E alone was still powerful in lategame, at the cost of a very bad earlygame.

Now, Q is pretty powerful alone, but its still not enough to make Yorick a champion. In lane, the only thing you can do is poke with it, and you still need to set up graves and hit E to deal decent damage. Q + E is now weaker, since ghouls die faster, attack slower, and deal a lot less damage. However, the problem is not that. The part that does not make any sense is that ghouls can HURT THE DAMAGE OUTPUT of Q, at the point ghouls can even heal 300% the damage you dealt with Q. So, we have the only champion in the game who has an ability that heals the enemy and gives you nothing in return.

E:

- % armor reduction is a lot better than the previous ghouls damage amplification. It is still incredibly lower % than other champions that get it for free and not in a skill shot. The damage and scaling of the ability itself are a joke, which leaves Yorick with only one ability that deals damage + ghouls, which are also a joke. Its a good ability, probably the most solid Yorick ability because it amplifies Q and ghoul damage. The slow is nonexistent, Yorick is no longer a necromancer, he needs better cc.

BASE STATS AND SCALINGS:

- Yorick is the squishiest """juggernaut""" in the game but lets be real, he isnt a juggernaut. His base stats are terrible. Other champions get the same or higher base stats but with an actual passive (Sett gets free 40% attack speed from level 1, Nasus gets free lifesteal and scaling) or they get a lot more tools at the cost of durability, but they are still tankier than Yorick (Volibear gets healing, shielding, hard cc, hybrid damage, better early and lategame).

W: For a necromancer who needs some safety and spacing, W was fine. It didnt have much range but it was balanced because it wasnt overpowered against champions with longer range, and it was a good tool to escape/make a room to wait for cooldowns vs melee champions. For the current Yorick, who wants to hit Q and stay at melee range while ghouls are up, the ability has too little range. Renekton can dash in and dash out and his dash is longer than W range, for example.

TL;DR: post midscope yorick feels terrible because his kit lacks synergy and actively antisynergizes with itself. Ditching his necromancer identity left him as the squishiest "juggernaut" in the game, forced to rely on an weak asf Q while his ghouls, passive and CC are so weak they often benefit the enemy more than him.

He has a LOT more range than me with his abilities and he is faster so he negates mi poke, he can deal 50% of my hp lvl1 if he wants and he scales better and faster. What can I do?

I play in master and with a sample size of 32,671 games he has a single hard counter, two unfavorable matchups and two skill matchups and thats it. Its probably the safest pick in toplane. He has the winrate of a lane bully earlygame and the one of a lategame scaling champion lategame. He is an excelent teamfighter aswell.

My champion pool is bad against him but as I said, there arent many good picks either. He can statcheck everything with only auto attacks. I dont think there is a single champion in the game who can fight him and not instantly lose lane. Not even Darius is able to be so dominant in lane and at least Darius requires matchup knowledge, Sett is genuinely just a braindead auto attacker.

W is undodgeable. Lets be real, in a 1v1 or 1v2 his W is undodgeable. His ult has the highest priority in the game while being point and click, and it slows for 99% so its basically a stun. If thats not enough he has his E. As a melee champion (99% of toplane) its not possible to dodge it, and he does not need to use E in order to win a trade because his passive gives him free 40% attack speed from level 1 (I can share the link to the math).

My best pick against him is Yone, which is also my champion with the most mastery and I was an OTP for a long time so I know the matchup. Its insufferable. Every lane bully has a counterplay, Volibear can be spaced, Darius too, Renekton has a very clear trading pattern. There is nothing you can do against a Sett standing still. He deals too much damage with only AA and Q, he almost never needs W so he can just use it to trade and that shouldnt be possible. His cooldowns are not as high as people say and it doesnt matter because as I mentioned he does not need W to win trades. His ult is braindead, requires zero skill and for some reason it slows so its not possible to miss a fully charged W.

Is there any counterplay to that piece of shit or I just need to accept that they are overpowered zero skill champions out there?

His level 1-5 is probably the weakest in the game. His level 6 is negligible compared to more than half other toplaners. His post 6 is still not comparable with early game bullies or even champs that are great lategame like Sett. He is the only champ in the game unable to control the wave. He is the only champion in the game who can actively heal the enemy every wave.

He has no innate grievous wounds yet he can heal more than 50 hp per ghoul at level 10, 600+ hp per ghoul lategame. He has no unconditional mobility, yet his only conditional movement speed boost is weaker and shorter than other ms boosts. He has no hard cc, yet he can still proc Fiora's W cc. His only utility does scales like shit with levels (you have to put three points on W to make it scale).

His ult has insanely long cooldown and can be insta killed by almost every toplaner. His main ability, Q, scales like garbage with levels (you dont even get meaningful cdr). E armor reduction sucks, scales poorly and other stronger champions in the early game have it for free and not conditional. He does not have a passive.

- there are better, easier low elo stompers.

- he is probably the only champion in the game that is not rewarding for skill, not at all.

- there are better, easier split pushers.

- he is probably the worst teamfighter in the game.

- there are better, easier fighters.

- most fighters have faster wave clear.

- he is probably the worst lategame champion.

- he has a single weak powerspike, most of the time is not even worth to use ult.

- his midgame is just statistically weak, other champions have more winrate both in early, MIDGAME and lategame.

- his ONLY gimmick which is pushing multiple waves is useless in decent elos. Yorick's wave clear is slow as fuck anyway.

Is there a reason to play Yorick?

he has more winrate than patch 16.13. are you really that braindead? he still has the E buffs. everyone keeps saying he ended up nerfed lmao. go play a skilled champion maybe there is time to save all of you from becoming even more ertarded

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Is that supposed to be okay? Im returning to midlane after a while but honestly I will go back to top because of Ahri.

Every time I face her she has zero mana problems at the point im surprised with how many spells she spams without complication. Her sustain is very noticeable and her damage is insane. I read that Ahri's damage was lower than other mages/assasins but thats a lie... her damage seems insane to me without E. First part of Q + W is already huge.

And I said well maybe she has some counters out there but no, she does not even lose gold in any matpchup. Then I said oh well maybe she is safe but doesnt scale very well... but nope, she has almost the same winrate as an hyper carry.

Its the first time in my life that I see a champion and think this cant be real. She ALSO has insane wave clear and rotations so she doesnt care about the wave, either way she has all the tools to correct it.

Did I miss something or skill does not work against him anymore? I mean I know he is probably the most overloded champion (even for a Yone. lol) no mana armor stack tenacity shield the best mobility in the game wave clear silence true damage nuke, but before I could just skill check him.

I was perfectly spacing his E, dealing damage with Q and tanking every other thing with W always interrupting his passive and winning lane until I just didnt anymore. Everytime I tried to E out of his E... he was at least four times faster than me lol, not exaggerating. I just catched me in a second as if i didnt have any dashes and deal 1600 damage with his E. Best case scenario I managed to get him to low hp but not enough for my E execute, then I would kill me with 2k less health than me.

Its like.. any counterplay to that?

After Master I cant win with him I quitted so many times but I still like the concept of ghouls. I tried alternative builds, I tried every single rune, I know every matchup and I even went back to the boring meta build but I just cant make him work.

I find myself being gapped against champs like Kennen or Singed who are supposed to be easy matchups just because my nonexistent agency. If im 6/0/0 I can barely do something after the first tower but if im behind 100 gold the game is over for me. Im truly starting to think Yorick has no winning matchups since there is NOTHING he can do to counter anyone. Yorick is supposed to be a good pick against ranged, but I feel like they can all hard win later with the exception of quinn (poor little girl gets destroyed anyway), and Yorick fucking SUCKS againt any bruiser. For example good Wukong players rush ravenous hydra and its over (not his usual first item), then the "free" matchups like Vlad, Vayne, Gnar, Gragas they all respectfully fuck me in the ass regarless if I stomp the lane or not, they group then shit on my team then on me.

Then as I say there are any other bruiser and I have a room of 5 minutes after first item where I can actually beat them, but I previously messed up its ggs or if I cant get enough advantage even if im 1k gold ahead its also ggs.

What should I do? the champ feels like shit its not just the rework, he is just weak it doesnt matter if I play him as a bruiser or a summoner or a tank every single variation including meta build playstyle feels weak as fuck.

Should I just stick with trinity and pray? what is the most efficient build or playstyle to make him work?

Yone is in a good spot now so he doesn't get statchecked even by easy matchups anymore and by looking at Zaahen's kit, one could tell there is nothing there that hard counters any part of Yone's kit, I would even say Yone should win that matchup because of his better spacing.

If we look at Lolalytics Zaahen beats the shit out of Yone both by gold income and % winrate at every stage of the game, even hard outscaling Yone. I also thought it could be kind of like Malphite matchup where the numbers are technically bad but in reality there is many things to do against him.

I am playing in Master elo and there are a LOT of Zaahens top, and I cant do shit against them. I dodge his W, wait until he wastes Q and I even space him until I can hit him with two consecutive combos and somehow I almost always lose. He gets an auto attack and Q1 and the trade is now even, which is a lot better for him. After level 6 I can no longer punish his mistakes properly because I deal too little damage and if I dare to miss one single Q, he can ult and I'm dead and im not exaggerating.

Once he gets trinity its like fighting a dark souls boss because its not like "well I cant punish his mistakes as hard as before" or "if I make a mistake, im dead" I can put my 101% and pull a faker zeus doran keria 300 iq fight and I get no diffed before he gets his passive.

Now, seriously, I'm not even fighting him every time I see him and I'm not even risking when he wastes his full combo in a wave because sometimes I click on him and he has +500 hp +50 AD and the same attack speed as me with half my items, I'm really only playing by trying to punish mistakes and the last game I killed the Zaahen a couple of times, freezing and denying him farm but after first item its like im not playing the game anymore, I cant sidelane against him and his teamfight is a lot better than mine.

The only explanation I can think of is that he is the definition of statcheck and Yone is quite the opposite... I start being a champion with bork and he starts being a raid boss with trinity, I have to space everything and bait abilities while he can just wait until I get too close and E AA Q me for the same amount of damage. Im sooo tilted rn I hate laning against low skill champions

Please tell me you agree that if Nasus is going to be adjusted in the future to improve his agency, Riot would need to remove his ability to kill anyone with 3 Qs at level 6.

He is not the mid game champion people are used to say, he is the strongest lane bully and stats dont lie, his damage is enough to kill someone with a couple Qs and he is also able to heal 80% hp with a single wave past 8 mins. Playing "hard counters" against him feel exactly the same as playing the worst champions against him because after he has ult yo can no longer punish him for anything.

The only way to balance that is by making him a terrible teamfighter, so his only way to win games is by abusing the best and most uncounterable split push potential, but many times games are decided by teamfights and not by backdoors. So, if you want to have more agency then its 100% necessary to nerf his Q damage or his ult level 2 and 3 since he needs W to team fight properly.

I have seen so many comments saying that Nasus needs some kind of bonus stuff for his stacks like Smolder, without even thinking about how braindead Nasus is rn. Legit unpunishable after level 6, unstoppable mid game and lets not even mention jg that thankfully is getting nerfed, because that was a free elo pick

First of all Riot Phroxzon said Yorick is one of the deepest played characters in the game meaning that almost all Yorick players are OTPs or at least mains. His winrate is stupidly low for a deeply played champion and the delta between casual players and mains is not enough. The primary reason is that Yorick is probably the lowest agency champion in the game, so a Yorick player cant transfer macro skill such as wave control while the champion microgame is also not high enough to make up for it.

1- There isn't a single champion who is unable to freeze and to slowpush, Yorick not only can not do those things but he is also forced to hard push every single time. That's frustrating for the enemy laner who cant get out of tower and it makes Yorick a worse champion at the same time (free farm for the enemy).

Now, the second problem and IMO the most important one given the fact that the rework wont be reversed: Ghouls not only stops being a part of Yorick's kit past 20 minutes, they actually help the enemies.

Can anyone here think of a single champion who has an ability that not only is bad in the first levels, and doesn't scale at all, but also actually helps the enemy in lategame? Only Yorick.

Its okay for ghouls to take x2 damage from melee auto attacks and full damage from ranged auto attacks, but life steal shouldn't be 100% effective against them. Right now any melee champion can fully recover the hp they lost from ghouls just by killing them, and then they actually get more hp than before from the minion wave.

Yorick can only deal more damage than the sustain from ghouls if he has almost an entire item of advantage. And even then, for 900g you can play under tower since enemy Yorick will hard push no matter what, and make poke 50% less effective.

In lategame melee champions with lifesteal are not worth facing anymore and ranged champions with life steal can heal up to 700 hp from ghouls. So good luck trying to teamfight. The rework was supposed to help Yorick's team fighting potential but now its worse.

Cait healing 1700 hp from ghouls. She had one and a half less items than Yorick in this clip.

Life steal should be 80 % -> 30% effective against ghouls, scaling with levels.

Title.

Before the rework Yorick wasn't a champion alone but with ghouls and ult he was easily the strongest side laner.

Right after the rework and for two patches ghouls were useless, and Yorick was broken while also being even more braindead. Then after the nerfs Yorick isnt a champion without ult, ghouls are useless and Yorick with ult and ghouls is still worse than any juggernaut, scales worse than them, has less agency, has the worst teamfight in the game and is the worse split pusher if you compare him to any other split pusher

Is there any counterplay to that or should I just wait until I lose the game? Like I can dodge his Q and space his W while in E with auto attacks and he can just press E and kill me. 3 auto attacks into R and I'm dead and I cant win a single trade not even with Bork when he rushes Heartsteel.

That shit cant be a tank I have seen assassins hitting a full combo to a Yuumi support and dealing less damage than this bullshit seems to deal to me. Not to mention he can ult three times before my useless 150 damage ult refreshes its cooldown.

Is this unwinnable in lane????????????????????

I hope this doesnt count as low effort post or something but what colour or how did you think T1 Yone was going to be? I was really hyped since the first leak, and we all thought it was a prestige skin and ofc the theme was not announced.

I thought it was gonna be blue and white for some reason, and i imagined it a bit... skinnier? I dont really know how to say it, but pretty similar to Spirit Blossom or base where everything feels lighter.

T1 Yone is a really good skin and the chroma is nice too, maybe the sword is a bit ugly

1- Isnt Yorick too underloaded?

Low base stats, no scaling, conditional and low %armor reduction, no hard cc, tiny slow in a slow skillshot, no dashes, no real mobility, conditional and tiny movement speed in a low skillshot and only towards oponents.

He has less stuff than Nasus and what does Yorick get in return? Ghouls? the low dps low burst bad against duelist and bruisers and half ranged toplaners hard countered by a 900g item cosmetic?

If you ask me not to exaggerate, well Yorick gets a "good" midgame and lvl 6 powerspike but the agency is so, so low that its actually a lot weaker than other many toplaners. You cant freeze and while you can hold waves, that is not very useful in higher elos since the bounce is legendary.

2- Does the health scaling in ghouls even exist? Whats the purpose? Mages, ranged supports and most tanks need two auto attacks from early to lategame no matter the build, ranged adcs need two auto attacks in early and only one in midgame and lategame, and melee bruisers, duelist and skirmishers always need only one.

I hope, and it will be like this, that this bullshit piece of sh33t stays nerfed and nerfed, and pro jailed forever. This champion should have never existed and I am so happy the dev got fired because that garbage should never work again.

Im so happy you cant even get to play a month without being nerfed and dragged to 46% winrate. Thats how every single zero skill overpowered champion should stay. Riot really did a good job with this one.

Im so so happy, i will wait until the next nerfs because oh boy a lot of nerfs are incoming.

Now, I will start by saying that I am a Yone and Yorick two-trick and I was a Yone OTP for a long time, since I first started to play the game. Ofc I dont pick Yorick against Irelia though so for you I am an OTP except the few times I play my legendary Shen.

I find the Irelia matchup pretty frustrating and Irelia favored, at least until the teamfights starts appearing more often, then I really notice my much better access to the back line.

I find the matchup frustrating since I am never able to kill her in a 1v1 even if I dodge her E, at any point of the game not even in lategame. Other than that, is probably my favorite "bad" matchup.

I recently first picked Irelia against another Yone main two games in a row and I did feel how superior her laning phase is, but after minute 15, which is surprisingly early IMO, I really started to get hurt by his combos. He wasnt a very good Yone (Im not bragging, but im better) and I was NOT a good Irelia. I really started to get tilted because he would E, eat my combo, hit W Q E and his damage was not that bad...

When I play Yone against Irelia, I cant do shit until three items and I feel like my autos deal 30 damage to her, and that she can all in me without passive any time she wants if I over step just a tiny bit.

Now, am I a terrible Irelia or if the Yone s better, the matchup can be really bad? Thats my doubt because as I said I never played Irelia and I suck with her. I play in Master 500 at the moment so im not the worst player in the world but I play like a Silver player (no offense to any silver player) with her.

So this is a question to the good Irelias here, is a good or better Yone hard to beat, even with the earlygame advantage? Not picking Irelia anytime soon... or ever again but I just want to know what do you think