r/travisandtaylor

Former swiftie here, hear me out. Taylor announced the Eras Tour on Good Morning America on 1 November 2022. At that point, she had just released Midnights a few weeks earlier and had not toured since the Reputation Tour in 2018, as the Lover tour had been cancelled due to the pandemic.

She was still the lowkey celebrity, in the midst of releasing re-recordings, and although she had a loyal fanbase, she hadn't gone viral or become globally famous yet. Before the announcement, the theories in the fandom were that she would probably do a Folklore/Evermore/Midnights tour (the albums she didn't get to play live), with one or two Lover songs. The setlist would be long, but she would prioritise Midnights since it was the newest album.

However, Midnights wasn't well received. It was her return to pop after experimenting with indie music for three years, but even among her fans, the consensus was that it was an OK album with a clunky concept. I think deep down she knew the fandom wasn't happy with it. Then she announced the Eras Tour.

I was a Swiftie at the time, and the announcement of a tour of all her previous albums seemed odd to me since, to my knowledge, it's something only music legends or retiring musicians do. As an artist, she was OK, but her most successful era was 1989 in 2015. Almost a decade later, she kept releasing albums that didn't match its success. Yes, Folklore and Evermore were praised for their lyricism and themes, but they didn't make her mainstream or a global superstar.

Taylor said that she did it so she could promote the re-recordings while they were released, but it still made no sense to me. She did have a tour for every album until Lover, so why do it all over again and not prioritise her three untoured albums?

While part of me thinks she did it as a nostalgia cash grab for her fanbase, it seemed like she was going to retire, with the Eras tour being her farewell to celebrate her career. It seemed very "I peaked 10 years ago and all my radio hits are from my older albums, this is it". At the time, she was with Joe Alwyn, and they were spotted house hunting in London, where they lived. Many of us believed that they were going to settle down and she would quit music to become a grounded director or a producer like she hinted due to her involvement in several movies (bad movies but movies still).

In her 2020 documentary Miss Americana, she said, 'This is probably one of my last opportunities to grasp onto that kind of success', referring to the Lover album, which was criticised by the press, didn't sell well, and didn't receive a single Grammy nomination. I truly believe she thought that Midnights and the Eras tour would be her last attempt to perform on a large scale and be successful, but she went viral, became a world-famous pop star and a billionaire thanks to the tour profits.

Since she craves validation so much, she seized the opportunity to shine and maximised her spotlight. At the same time that she rose to stardom, she broke up with Joe. While there is no evidence that these two events might be connected, I think they are. He is very private, and he was no longer compatible with her megastar lifestyle (look at her wedding, and consider how she likes to stay relevant). Now she's married to a massive famewhore and both capitalized the shit of their relationship so there you go

Edit: I used the termin 'lowkey artist' to refer that she was famous but not at the level she's now, not even 10%. before Eras, she peaked during 1989 and by Lover she was known mostly for Fearless/1989 hits, but Lover flopped hardly. she gained some respect during the pandemic for folklore, but the reason she blew up in 2023 is because the younger generations got to know her old albums (red, speak now, self titled) and her deep-cut songs that only fans knew at the time thanks to the re-recordings and the Eras Tour.

I didn't mean to say she's an indie artist by any means because she's not lol

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someone tried to fight with me on discord when i said travis kelce has maga vibes, but i didn't have evidence that he actually IS maga so i just didn't respond. (i assume the girl who tried to fight with me is a swiftie who is like "obvi TS would NEVER marry someone maga" but ... cmon man, it's time to face the music)

from some brief research, it doesnt seem like either of the kelce brothers are registered as a political party. i believe a lot of travis' teammates are maga/maga leaning which is evidence enough for me, but i'm curious if anyone has anything more substantive?

ik TS hasn't publicly talked politics since 2024, and even that felt really half assed to me. plus, there's the whole fiasco where the white house keeps using her music on its social media posts and she isn't speaking out about it (if she has spoken out, i haven't head anything). I feel like the odds that travis is MAGA are high, and that TS is at least MAGA-tolerant are also high

(mods if this isn't allowed i'm sorry!!! i'm not pro maga, i'm just curious if anyone has better evidence that travis and taylor are bc they have that vibe to me)

I was thinking about TS and how she doesn't really compare to other pop stars like Madonna who has star quality, could dance, was interesting, was sexy in her heyday, and actually seemed to work on improving her singing ability throughout her career.

Or comparing her to say a Lady Gaga who has a great voice and is a classically trained pianist. Or even someone like Olivia Rodrigo whose songs have an authentic voice, sweetness, and humanity to them.

I started to think TS is sort of like Debbie Gibson in that her songs aren't terribly meaningful or deep except Debbie can sing well and was actually a very good pianist and also wrote her own songs alone (as opposed to TS who I suspect doesn't have as much input in the writing of her songs as she'd have us believe).

Am I off track? I'm just kind of baffled by TS. She's a mega-star but she doesn't do anything well really.

I was cooking dinner and got hit with a creative epiphany. I humbly present my divorce album prediction: Track 5 (Happily)

Verse 1
White dress hanging on the door like a question
Car still running in the drive, engine's confession
Everybody's toasting like they know something I don't
Bar's too loud to hear myself say I do or maybe or won't
I keep checking my own face in the window glass
Waiting for the feeling like a train that already passed

Chorus
Have you ever been happy, or just close enough to call it?
Standing in the good part, still afraid to fall in it
Everyone's sworn to secrecy, and there's no one left to tell me
When you know, you know—but how do you know
If this is the peak, then why's my heart still asking why
Maybe happy's just a moment that you're too scared to let by
Do I need the happy, or just the happily (ever after)

Verse 2
Standing in the garden, finally my day to bloom
Everyone's got a piece of me they bought a ticket to consume
Somewhere in the crowd there's a stranger with my bag
Petals never got to open, just got picked before they had
I'm the flower and the funeral, I'm the bride and the going, going, gone
Twenty thousand people watching me become somebody's swan song

Bridge
I'm in the aisle, waiting for it to feel right
Can't stop now, can't turn around in all this white
Maybe it comes later, maybe it comes after (ever after)
Maybe you just walk until the feeling comes after (ever after)
Everyone's sworn to secrecy, and there's no one left to tell me
When you know, you know—but how do you know

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I stopped at two verses, but Taylor if you use this I want songwriting credits. hahahaha

Obligatory car and bar, plus a reference to the MSG raffle tickets and the NDAs. I fully expect her to sell some bullshit about how she realized that even though she got the happily ever after, she wasn't every happy

Disclaimer: I'm not diagnosing. Merriam Webster marks the difference, and one definition defines narcissist as "an extremely self-centered person who has an exaggerated sense of self-importance" and defines Narcissism as "egotism, egocentrism." Also, she said her charitable behavior is narcissism disguised as altruism for optics in the song Anti-Hero and called herself a Machiavellian in Mastermind, so...Taylor agrees with me that she's a manipulative narcissist🤷🏻‍♀️

The way she handled Ana's death sent a shiver down my spine. The handwritten font post she had made on Instagram (so it looks personal, though it isn't. Again, it's all about optics) where she didn't name Ana, probably because she didn't know her name, and then lied, saying Ana died before the show. I remember watching a part of her eras tour performance in Brazil. There was a moment when the crowd chanted for water and Taylor's response to her Brazilian fans, people who paid money to see her and were in 100+ degree weather, was "we don't need to chant" as she points to one person to get water and the entire arena starts chanting "water water water". Her audience decided that during the moment of the tour where Taylor stood and received...what was it...a 2 minute standing ovation after Champagne Problems? they were going to be silent for Ana, so Taylor cut the segment and moved on. This might be unpopular, but I side eye Ana's family for doing a photo op with Taylor while they wore shirts with Ana's face on it. If Ana was my daughter, I'm suing the venue and suing Taylor or her team for not cancelling the tour despite knowing the conditions, and no amount of money would shut me up. I would be on every Brazilian news program telling as many people as I could how disappointing Taylor's indifference had been and wondering why people still support her.

She was silent for a whole month after cancelling the Vienna portion of her Eras tour, but found time to do a pap walk in London (I think it was the pap walk in response to Healy's engagement. I'm not sure), and then decided to address her Vienna fans in a post where she lectured them. "Let me be clear". Imagine talking down to people who could've died, all because they asked for a little acknowledgement.

If you read up on every feud she's ever had, it's all lies and manipulation. Scooter Braun did nothing illegal and Taylor's dad was on the board of the record company and made 15 million off Scooter's deal. Yet Taylor still asked her fans on tumblr to harass Scooter "Let him know how you feel". Taylor is on video gaving Kanye permission to say he made her famous, Tree Paine said Taylor never talked with him, and then pushed the narrative that Taylor was in hiding though you can find a timeline of her 2017 where she performed live multiple times and received applause. And let's not forget Taylor mocked Kim's robbery in her Look What You Made Me Do music video. Taylor started the feud with Katy Perry. Taylor tried HARD, so hard, to manipulate the public against Joe Alwyn as she had done for like 99% of her many exes. Because she couldn't turn people against him (there isn't a lot of info about him that she can easter egg and he's not a big name. Sorry if that bothers people here because you all seem to love Joe) she had to shame him for gray rocking her and refusing to give her ammo to use against him during their relationship, so she went full mask off and called him nothing and said she was emotionally cheating on him the whole time. If Folklore and Evermore really weren't fictional, then she admitted she turned down his proposal, so I don't know where the "Joe wouldn't marry her" narrative came from, and when Lavender Haze was about not wanting to get married too. I don't know what she wants and I don't think she knows either.

But she constantly contradicts herself, and she admits it. "When I said I didn't believe in marriage, that was a lie." Kudos to her for admitting she lies, but that isn't even one of her top 25 worst lies. Let's talk about how she tried to paint Jake as a monster for dating her when she was 20 while he was in his 20s, and then in her 20s she dates two 18 year olds, one of them one day after he turned 18. Let's talk about how she hates the b word being used against her because she's miss feminist, and then in Life of a Showgirl she calls women that same word. Let's talk about all of Miss Americana, which has completely aged like milk. And if you think Taylor or her team doesn't lie, you weren't paying attention to the Baldoni-Lively fiasco.

I really hate when I see comments from people who know little about Taylor say Taylor is hated for no reason. If you're a fan or former fan, at least you know her enough to know what you're talking about. I feel like a person shouldn't speak about Taylor with confidence until they've read that one article that goes deep into the Conor Kennedy story. I can't use the "G" word here, but that's obviously what it was. If Taylor was a 22/23 year old man hanging out with a 17 year old girl, going public with her the day after she turned 18, checking her out of High School, calling the paparazzi for a photo op as he accompanies his 18 year old girlfriend to visit his mother's grave, buying a mansion next door to her home after 4 weeks of dating, that's what we would call it. It wouldn't playfully be "unhinged behavior" or an "era" or part of a lore. It's legit creepy, psychotic behavior and the fact Taylor's team swept the Conor stuff under the rug is a testament to how good her PR team is.

I'm so glad she made a spectacle of her wedding and invited Brad Pitt, Steven J. Demetriou (and his son, junior, the Ohio Republican), Joshua Kushner and she had Rob Schneider's (who is a transphobe and racist and who has publicly mocked Travis and Taylor as a "left wing psyop", among other things) best friend and former George W Bush fan Adam Sandler officiate the wedding. I also love how she was the only pop star to stay silent for years as Trump's admin used her music and image despite her being sue happy enough to threaten etsy creators, college students, and an 18 year old Olivia Rodrigo.

Idk if this is informational enough to share here but thought I'd give it a try.

Travis' key comments about the wedding for those who don't want to click on the link:

"It was kind of cool to live out my childhood dream of being in that venue, the mecca of all sports venues, being able to get married there," Kelce told reporters at the Kansas City Chiefs' training camp in Missouri.

Kelce called the wedding "the best night of my life", thanking guests who attended and calling it "a crazy night".

"I can't thank the owners of MSG enough for allowing us to get the opportunity to do that, knowing that we wanted a private event and everything, and it was perfect," he added.

Later, he joked that the "AC was cooking" inside the venue, an apparent reference to the heatwave that swept over the country over the Independence Day weekend.

Thank God the AC was cooking that day... who thought it was a good idea to get married during a heatwave?

after seeing some comments pointing out the physical resemblance between lorelai and taylor, i thought of an ironic analogy where blandie believes she’s lorelai, but is actually rory gilmore.

let’s look at it this way: rory was raised in a present family (excluding her father) that constantly spoiled her and told her she could achieve anything because she was the best.

she grew up with this superiority complex, seeing herself as above others in terms of talent and intelligence. her mother always made a point of projecting her own dreams onto rory - encouraging her toward harvard, for example. as rory got older, she realized the world didn’t revolve around her, but she couldn’t accept it. she stayed blinded by the pink-colored world people around her had created.

so when she received her first “no,” she fell apart and blamed others instead of herself. on top of that, rory was always in relationships, molding herself to fit whoever she was dating at the time, painting them as villains after breakups - only to end up pregnant without even knowing who the father might be.

in contrast, we have lorelai:

she grew up without support from her parents and had to fight for her independence to build her own future. she achieved everything on her own merit, without anyone constantly praising her behind the scenes, and was judged every step of the way. lorelai is naturally charming and funny. she dated some terrible guys along the way, but in the end, she married her best friend.

now, where does taylor fit into this:

like rory, taylor grew up in a very supportive, almost overly praising environment that essentially shaped her career and dreams, but she believes she achieved everything purely through her own talent, without any push. she was raised being praised and gained fans who constantly reinforce how much better she is than everyone else - and she truly believes it, our “english teacher.”

the “no” moments in taylor’s life may have come from different places, the leaked phone call with kanye, her breakup with joe, or even public and fan rejection of ttpd/tlosg, but she quickly tried to reshape every narrative to stay on top. and now, she’s engaged to a complete unknown maga just to promote her brand, and it wouldn’t be surprising if that extended to having children.

she wants to convince herself that she achieved everything like lorelai, alone, through merit, while being “hated” along the way to fuel her ongoing victim complex. she thinks she’s spontaneous and funny, but actually comes off as irritating and inconvenient most of the time, doesn’t mature mentally (despite her worn appearance), and will remain a perpetual teenager. she believes all her ex-boyfriends were terrible and that she ended up marrying the love of her life, who also happens to be her best friend.

sooo, taylor is simply a billionaire version of rory!