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When the villain of the story is 100% in the right, so the writers make them do something extremely evil so we can't root for them.

Examples are mostly from Marvel shows but they're the best examples I can think of off the top of my head:

Falcon and Winter Soldier. The villains are refugees who were forced out of their homes once the second snap happend and all the people who were dusted come back. They think it's unfair that they should be forcefully evicted from their home and be left homeless. And then they blow up a hospital to "send a message" or whatever the fuck so we know not to take their side.

Secret Invasion: The villains are shapeshifting aliens who did work for Nick Fury under the condition he find them a new home, and he didn't for decades so they're understandably pissed off. And then they blow up civilains to "send a message". Again.

Inhumans. Honestly this one is the worst of it. The heroes are the aristocracy of a group of moon people where when people come of age they undergo a procedure that will unlock their superpower. If you get a useful or sexy power you get to life in luxury with the royals. And if you have no power or an ugly power your'e sent to mine in the slums. The villain is the brother of the king who has no powers but gets to stay because he's the king's brother and he's like "Hey, this is kind of fucked up." and he's right. And worse of all he doesn't even do that much evil, all they do is make him perv a bit on Meduca out of nowhere so now you know not to side with him.

Feel free to leave your examples below, or let me know if this trope has a name. Please, i'd love to know.

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u/HallZac99 — 3 hours ago

When kids are added to an animated show/comic, they're always nieces/nephews of the main character, not children thereof.

Examples: Scooby-Doo's nephew Scrappy-Doo, Donald Duck's nephews Huey, Dewey, and Louie. I can understand why this trope exists--after all, if Scrappy were the son of Scooby, then they'd have to introduce an additional character who is Scrappy's mother and Scooby's wife, or else provide an awkward explanation for why Scooby is a single parent.

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u/DeadComposer — 4 hours ago

What're the names for these matchmaker tropes?

  1. Active matchmaker, a nosy character who likes to set up dates for her friends; sometimes when one has a crush on somebody, but too shy and too timid to express their feelings, she (usually this is a she) would step up and tell that person, then pair them up. This sometimes, if not most of the times, may backfire due to her misjudgement, when she erroneously assumes these two have a mutual fondness of each other. Emma and Cher, the modern retelling, are good examples.

  2. Passive matchmaker, a reputable character, though not a professional and active matchmaker like the first kind, she is resourceful, she knows a lot of singles, their social standing, their likes and dislikes, and people come to her for matchmaking service, and she often offers unsolicited relationship advice. Imagine her as a dating app before dating app is a thing.

  3. This special, magical spot, a modern day equivalent of a shrine or an idol for Cupid. Legend has it that lonely hearts who come to visit and pray for love will find it, their future significant other will bump into their lives. For example, a balcony in Verona where Juliette had her tryst with Romeo.

  4. A fortune teller or prophet, who predicts the protagonist's future love life, without the character asking for it. If the prophet is offended by the protagonist, this could unfold as a tragedy - the protagonist falls in love with someone only to lose them later, or the protagonist falls for a femme fatale or a rakehell who becomes the protagonist's undoing.

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u/Resident-West-5213 — 15 hours ago

Why Does Steve Marmel Not Have a TVTropes Page?

I was wondering why TVTropes doesn’t have a page on Steve Marmel, creator of Sonny With a Chance, So Random, Mech X-4, and co-creator of This Just In, who was also (for a time) head writer on The Fairly OddParents and Danny Phantom. TVTropes has a fair of articles about TV show creators (and media articles about pretty much all of the shows I just mentioned.) Does anyone know why there’s no Creator/Steve Marmel page?

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u/Matitya — 23 hours ago

Why do people forget that unions are responsible for stuff like child labor laws, five day work weeks and eight hour work days?

People seem to have a negative idea of unions but aren’t unions responsible for most labor protections but when people have a negative idea of unions they say Jimmy Hoffa. Which is weird because the police had just as much history of mob involvement and have a far better reputation.

Not every union that has ever existed was a bastion of anarcho communist values racism was common in some unions.

But it’s weird how little positive representation exists of unions in media when the entertainment industry has some of the only strong unions in eh country

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u/Konradleijon — 1 day ago

When a character logically shouldn't be in a series anymore (because of some change in their situation) yet, because of their popularity, they're brought back in an awkward manner.

For example, at the end of season 1 of Ted Lasso, Jamie Tartt switches teams (to a much better team) and Roy Kent retires from football/soccer due to a knee injury. Yet in season 2 Jamie comes back to play for his old team and Roy comes back as an assistant coach for his old team.

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u/DeadComposer — 2 days ago

Trope where one parent has a rivalry with one of their child’s friends?

I have no idea if this is even a trope, but… Best example I can think of is in the movie Big Time Adolescence. The protagonist, Mo, is a high schooler who’s best friend, Zeke, is a 22 year bum (and a terrible influence). Mo’s mother is apathetic to the whole situation but his dad openly cannot stand Zeke and is always suspicious of him, which leads to a sort of comical rivalry going on between them. Can anyone think of any examples of a relationship like this?

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u/SubordinateTemper — 1 day ago
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Does anyone else find the “dad not approving of his daughter’s boyfriend trope” to be terrible and annoying most of the time?

okay, so, there are many tv tropes that i don’t like but this one is particularly annoying, it usually goes like this: girl introduces her boyfriend to her parents, the mom is happy but the dad doesn’t like him. the most common reasons to why the dad doesn’t like him are usually about the boy being a bit of a loser, being clumsy or having a humble job, sometimes the dad doesn’t like the boyfriend because he’s like some weird guy with tattoos and with a motorcycle which is less irritating even tho it’s still annoying. in the first three cases the dad is just a jerk, i’ve seen like once this movie that i’ll never watch again about this man meeting his girlfriend‘s dad and he would always make him nervous and treat him like a loser and be mean to him because he wasn’t some super chad guy (my point was proven when later in the movie the dad seemed to like his daughter’s ex because he was more “man-like”) i know that it was supposed to be funny but it just pissed me off because i had to witness this poor guy who is also really sweet getting bullied by this asshole of a man who “doesn’t approve” of him. another thing that i don’t like but like about this trope is the fact that it sounds sexist, i don’ want to be the type of person who calls everything that involves a man not approving of a girl’s choice sexist but in most of these situations the daughter is an adult and she is old and mature enough to make her own choices, so it sounds just slightly sexist to me but tell me what you think. another case where it was really annoying was in “The Big Bang Theory” with Howard’s interactions with his girlfriend’s dad who is super fricking mean to him because he’s physically weak and bad at “man-stuff” and he doesn’t give a shit about the fact that he’s actually a really smart guy. anyways this trope is annoying because it always ends up being “dad doesn’t like daughter’s boyfriend because he’s not a real man and he doesn’t make lots of money” and because it’s basically portraying bullying as “funny”, it sometimes makes me think how would the dad react if his daughter’s got a “manly“ boyfriend who actually turns out to be a jerk, tell me what you think.

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u/Complete-Quantity360 — 4 days ago

Trope name for artist that goes from big to obscure

I know this sounds like a real world trope as I couldn’t help but notice a pattern with some game developers because there have been some big named ones who went out to form their own studio as suddenly their career fell apart.

Some examples are Keiji Inafune, Leslie Benzies of Rockstar Games, and Yuji Naka since all 3 were people who used to be fairly successful in the gaming industry until they made their own games that caused them to fade into obscurity.

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u/KaleidoArachnid — 3 days ago

Lots of hobbies/interests off screen mentioned once or twice.

I'm not sure what this is called, any and all help or other examples appreciated

Mostly Secondary or even tertiary character will mention they have various disparate hobbies or interests that are rarely explored further.

Generally it either comes up as: a throw away line to make everyone go "huh!?"

Or: because it's useful for that episode's plot,

"You speak French?"

"They are speaking Quebecoise. I spent three years in France, so while my Parisian is decent, both the dialect and our accents are making this harder."

May or may not be followed up by:

"You lived in France!?"

And occasionally will lead to further information:

"Just for my apprenticeship in medieval stained glass restoration." (Character is a data analyst)

Or, Conversely, it's of no use to the current situation:

"I only speak Navajo, Greek, and Igbo. Not German."

The same character will later be revealed to compete in amateur polka dancing, be a known & liked figure in the local Death Metal scene, collect vintage Jell-O molds and keep bonsai rosebushes.

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u/Literati_drake — 4 days ago

Is there a trope for video game characters who become more popular, or even better known, than the games they originally came from, thanks to appearing in other series or franchises?

I mean, it's kind of a meme that most people who know and consider themselves fans of Morrigan Aensland have no idea what Darkstalkers even is. Likewise, Terry Bogard and Mai Shiranui have appeared as guest characters or in crossover collaborations so many times that plenty of people who have never played Fatal Fury still know who they are. Captain Falcon, Pit, and Palutena are arguably better known to many players as Super Smash Bros. characters than for their own games. I feel like 2B from NieR: Automata is probably heading down the same path.

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u/Powerful-Walk4063 — 5 days ago
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My thoughts on the "Defiant to the End" trope.

OMG, I love this trope so freaking much!

I love it whenever characters are retaliating in any way to maintain their autonomy, agency, dignity, spirit, and inner fire!

This trope is when a character (often a hero or heroic character) has been captured or defeated.

Are they going to cooperate with their captor or beg for mercy?

No.

Screw that crap!

Those same said captured or defeated characters are either going to read their captors for filth, not give in, make a snarky remark, refuse to submit, or choose death over captivity, abuse, and torture.

Here are a few examples of the "Defiant to the End" trope;

Robin to Slade from the "Apprentice Part 2" episode of the 2003 Teen Titans series ("New deal, Slade. If I lose my friends, you lose your apprentice. And I know you hate to lose.")

Catra to Horde Prime from the "Corridors" episode from She-Ra and the Princesses of Power ("What do you expect? After all, us Etherians are so very emotional! It doesn't matter what you do to me. Glimmer is gone, and you will NEVER get your hands on Adora!")

Lin Beifong to Amon from the "Turning the Tides" episode from The Legend of Korra ("I won't tell you anything, you monster!")

Esmeralda to Frollo from Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

u/Full-Art3439 — 5 days ago

What is a specific trope, word, or phrase that instantly makes you want to put a book down and never finish it?

I read and write a lot of fantasy and romance, and there is one specific trope that instantly kills my momentum: the "misunderstanding that could be solved with a single 5 minutes conversation."

You know the one that the entire third act conflict relies on two capable adults completely losing the ability to communicate basic facts to each other. I'm currently drafting a dark fantasy trilogy, and I have a sticky note on my monitor that just says, "LET THEM TALK" It drives me absolutely crazy as a reader.

What is the one trope, phrase, or writing habit that immediately ruins your reading experience?

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u/Sad_Movie_8895 — 8 days ago

What is this trope?

A character is yapping or talking and their talking gets cut off by a punch or some other action from the hero

Eg In Superman The Animated Series,when Lobo is flirting with Lois and she slaps him(though it doesn't hurt him)and he says "let me have another, right here,right h-" he is cut off by Superman punching him high into the sky. Also in the same series a thug points a sci-fi laser gun at Supes yapping how it can "penetrate a thick sheet of steel in 0.3 seconds,I don't think you'd be able to-" Supes superspeeds over to him crushing the gun

In Justice League,Ultra Humanite says the League is too well organized,and gets cut off by a punch from Superman.

In The Incredibles while Syndrome is monologuing,Mr Incredible cuts him off by throwing a log at him(although it's unsuccessful as Syndrome paralyzed him with his gauntlets and said how he got him monologuing)

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u/Cure_BMWM3 — 7 days ago

Struggling to find a trope that God Of War uses for Kratos

The character, under some delusion, perpetrates what seems to them to be a just act of violence, only for the delusion to shatter at some latter stage and them to realise it actually was horrific, unwarranted, and quite possibly hurt their own loved ones.

Also present in the Black Freighter sections of Watchmen, and I'm sure I've seen this several times before, but as I can't find any trope listing for it, I can't find a list.

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u/CgRazor — 7 days ago

"I'm staying right here. Nothing could possibly make me take the left path." *Scary sound from right path* "I am immediately going left."

Usually a comedic trope. A sub-trope of heel-face-turn, maybe?

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u/Gratuitous_Nerdity — 6 days ago

The male equivalent of the “girl posse” trope, consisting of an alpha bitch and usually a second-in-command

I don’t believe this trope is as popular as the girl posse trope (= Heathers, Plastics, The Coven from The Craft, …) but they definitely exist, think the sons of ipswich in The covenant (2006) which is mostly just a “the craft” remake but for a male audience

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u/Plane_Ad2651 — 9 days ago

What's this trope?

Icy on the surface, warm underneath. He's vain, dramatic, and obsessed with status. He gives backhanded compliments and complains about everything. He's also deeply loyal and will not hesitate to put himself in danger to save his teammates. He's also was mean,catty and popular until he can change. Become best friends with the heroes and dates the ​tomboy.

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u/Spiritual_Safety_908 — 8 days ago

What's it called when a character who was good the whole show is suddenly an asshole at the very end?

This is not a villain who pretended to be a good guy, I'm talking about someone who legitimately did good things all the time suddenly doing an uncharacteristic 180 with no explanation right before the show ends or the character leaves

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u/ZappableGiraffe — 11 days ago
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What other shows fit the Lost Trope?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDjXup0qr9Q&list=WL&index=75

This video describes a trope that both Lost and The Amazing Digital Circus fall into. I really recommend watching it but TLDR it describes:

The Cage - the primary setting; a mysterious setting that is overruled by a given individual. may work as an avenue for the characters to work through their trauma. The Island and the Circus respectively.

Cain & Abel - the jailers of the cage. So Caine and the Blue AI. or Jacob and the Men in Black.

The Misfits - the protagonists that form a sort of found family that work through their person problems within the cage.

My friend and I watched this video and thus far we feel that this trope could also apply to The Good Place, and Infinity Train. Are there any other pieces of media that comes to mind with this description?

u/nikkistarfish — 11 days ago