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Hello all I am planning on proposing to my girlfriend around the Forks, WA area later this year (can’t give too many details on when I’m trying to remain anonymous). She is obsessed with twilight since she was a kid and we’ve done road trips every year we’ve been together and are finally getting up to the PNW and get to take her to Forks later this summer. I have the ring already and I’ve been talking with a few different photographers, but I’m trying to finalize location to be able to get things set in stone and need advice.

We both agree that “public” proposals at restaurants or in public places are a bit corny (sorry if anyone did that!) so I’m trying to plan it so it’s not super crowded where we are at while making it still scenic, special, and fit the vibe of twilight, Forks, and the PNW she loves and reasonable for a photographer to be there without her being suspicious.

Right now these are my options I’ve come up with in order:
I’m leaning toward doing the small trail at La Push beach to make it up to second beach and proposing there. Ideally I’d like to do it at sunset or sunrise but I’m not sure which would be better.

I’ve also considered doing it in Oregon as we plan to head through there and stop at various locations like the bridge if the Gods, Multnomah falls, or silver falls state park as they contain notable areas from the movie.

Lastly, I am trying to make this a legitimate surprise. Our forks trip happens to fall on my birthday. I’m not super big on celebrating my birthday but she wants to do something because we are going on Thai trip for her on my birthday. I’m planning to use this as reasonable “cover” as to why we are dressing up in nicer clothes on a hiking road trip so that it feels more special. Is that a crazy idea/if your partner proposed to you on their birthday, would it feel off or weird? Or should I move it a day before or after?

Any advice or input on anything I’ve said is helpful!

even scent notes also appreciated but a perfume name would be nice!

I remember reading the books for the first time back in 2016, but I’ve already seen the first movie beforehand so I kind of already had an idea of what Edward looked like going into the books.

I wish I read them before I watched any of the movies so I could imagine what/who the characters looked like on my own, which is why I’m curious to hear what original fans have to say and what they imagined.

Also, side question: did you like Robert Pattinson’s casting for Edward?

TWILIGHT

I think the thing that this movie does well is yearning - really creating the feeling of having an intense crush on someone. The boring, dreary town, Bella's feeling of isolation, and the one bright spot in this dude who kind-of-sort-of wants to kill her. While I can't identify with wanting your significant other to feel dangerous, I've heard summaries of enough of my wife's favorite romance novels to appreciate it in the abstract. At a glance, this really seems like the reason this franchise lit the world on fire back in the day, and why middle-and-high-school-age me was so confused by why every girl I knew loved it.

The visual aesthetic where everything is pale and dark took some time to get used to, but I also appreciated it from the perspective of it being a vampire movie. Bella and the other humans are very pale from living in a constantly overcast town, so when vampires show up and they're like, literally wearing clown makeup, they simultaneously look like monsters while it stays plausible that people don't instantly think they're monsters.

I do find the persistent connection between sex and Edward wanting to murder / exsanguinate Bella to be somewhat troublesome. But I guess in a franchise about a high-school romance aimed at tweens and teens you do need to have some kind of explanation for why they aren't having sex. Still, it feels weird to be watching media aimed at 13-15 year old girls where the fantasy is that a boy would like you, want you, and also constantly need to hold himself back from murdering you. But I can't even really talk: as a 13 year old boy, if there was an anime about a hot goth vampire chick fighting with herself over whether she wants to have sex with or eat the main character, I'd have been all over it.

The back half of the movie also took a bit of a turn for the boring. While the yearning aspect was nailed, awkward gasping in science class and all, neither Edward nor Bella ever seemed to ever do anything that should have actually been charming to the other. I can somewhat accept that from Bella since she's supposed to be the character you project onto, but Edward really needed to do anything that could be perceived as charming or at least cute. But instead he just vassilated between barely-containted-rage, barely-contained-lust, and brooding for the whole movie. After the sparkly skin reveal, the movie just seemed to take it as fact that they love each other for no particular reason. When we still had an hour to go and the entire plot revolved around their relationship, that seemed like an issue.

The obstacle they have to ultimately overcome also seemed kind of flimsy. There are three bad vampires, one of which is only kind-of bad. The other two decide they really wanna kill Bella for seemingly no reason. Now my first thought is "there are seven good vampires - why doesn't Bella just sleep over at the Cullen's house until they make a play and then they beat them up?" I was waiting for the blonde vampire to be particularly strong, but of course, once the Cullen's arrived to save Bella, it was over in like 20 seconds. So whatever.

Overall a pretty enjoyable watch, even if it dragged in the second half.

THE TWILIGHT SAGA: NEW MOON

Yo Edward SUUUUUUCKS.

So, I have this issue with romance media, where I feel like after the two people get together, everything sort of starts falling apart. Once the will-they-or-won't-they tension is gone, you need to choose a new thing to focus on after all. Sometimes, they choose a physical, mechanical issue, like a blonde vampire that arbitrarily wants your girlfriend dead. But often, they decide to keep the focus on the romance, which means relationship drama, which usually means one of the two people in the relationship starts acting like a jerk.

This movie is that second option pushed to the extreme. Edward is so ridiculously cruel - dumping her while lying about his feelings while still spying on her with random ghost powers (which go away when he thinks she's dead?). He must have REALIZED she keeps risking her life to get to see him, but he KEPT popping in? What the hell man?!

(EDIT: No ghost powers! That was my mistake!)

I was straight up hollering at my television, hoping Edward would step into the sun just a *little* faster. As of yesterday, I believe I am the latest person to be solidified as a member of TEAM JACOB. Not because Bella necessarily needs a boyfriend, but Jesus, if it's one or the other, go with the one who is at minimum nice to you.

Now's the part where I moralize, skip if you want: I think that this movie, out of all five, really deserves to have a warning label on it for teenage girls. I understand that it's ultimately framed as a bad thing, but the depiction of a teenager repeatedly putting her life and body at risk to try to get attention from a boy that dumped her is just *really* hard to watch. And (despite my hollering at the TV), it goes the same for Edward. There's nothing romantic about suicide, and it's gross to see media aimed at teens framing it that way.

Okay, moralizing over. Some highlights of this movie, weirdly, was the comedy to me. I straight up cracked up at Ana Kendrick's zombie monologue, and the blonde kid being physically uncomfortable watching Face Punch (where's that spinoff by the way) was straight up hilarious. And while perhaps it was unintentional comedy, every time Taylor Lautner jogged away in his little jorts was a real treat.

I also wanna thrown out there that I would take a full TV show about Aro. I want a full, 10 season police procedural where that dude is just giggling and smiling and looking down on people while he solves crime with a wise cracking rookie detective.

And on the non-comedy end of the spectrum, I appreciate them exploring some of the complications possible in an immortal / non-immortal romance. The anxiety about aging and all. It the most dramatically interesting part of the movie.

Despite my issues with this movie, I do think I ultimately enjoyed it only slighly less than the first movie. Even rooting for Bella to dump Edward and run off with Jacob (or just like, go fishing with her dad and go to college), the drama and conflicts were more interesting and fun to watch. And the courtship section with Jacob actually seemed like a fun romantic comedy, interlaced with the drama of a potential boyfriend becoming a werewolf.

If you took the adrenaline-junky stuff, removed Edward being the motivation, and just repurposed this movie as a rom-com between Bella and Jacob where they got together in the end, this would be a much improved movie. It could be it's own thing, totally disconnected from the franchise. If it had, it would have been my favorite. Oh, well.

THE TWILIGHT SAGA : ECLIPSE

Filler episode?

This movie didn't feel necessary to me. At the end of New Moon, the status quo is thus; Bella isn't into Jacob that way, Jacob wants Bella and hates Edward, Edward is protective of Bella and wants to marry her. At the end of Eclipse, virtually nothing has changed. I guess TECHNICALLY Bella hadn't given a yes or no before the credits rolled in New Moon, but did ANYONE, book reader or not, really believe she would say no?

This entire movie, for all it mattered to the ongoing story of Bella's love life and conflict with the Vultori, could have happened in about 15 minutes. We needed "yes, I will marry you, Edward," the one scene where Edward and Jacob kind of start to get along in the tent (and even that is questionable), and to have Bryce Dallas Howard killed (by the way what a damn waste of a casting that was).

I'm honestly struggling to think of anything else to say about this thing because the entire movie seemed so inconsequential. I suppose one thing worth commenting on is that it's lame that the visual aesthetic of the first movie is just kind of gone. Everything is now brightly and softly lit, all the vampires' sparkly skin has gone away, and everyone is looking a lot less pale. It's a pity - the original movie was very unique looking compared to this.

Least favorite, moving on.

THE TWILIGHT SAGA: BREAKING DAWN PART 1

No idea whether this opinion is popular or not, but I'm gonna come out swinging and say that this was my favorite movie in the franchise. I think once the first hour of the first movie was over, the main real interesting thing left for them to dig into was just the inherent complexities involved in dating a superhuman immortal. And this movie DELIVERED on that premise.

Nightmare about your wedding causing everyone you love to die due to your oncoming turning? Check. The dude-bro vampire making an awkward wedding speech about you "not getting any sleep?" Check. Crashout from your werewolf friend over your husband's vampire-loving being potentially lethal? Begging for your vampire husbands schlong? Check and check. CREEPY VAMPIRE BABY DRAMA? OH BOY CHECK.

This is the thing - a romance movie should focus on the relationship. If it isn't the courtship phase (which again, was over after an hour), it should be about the two people being together. New Moon was about a break up. Eclipse was about stopping Bryce Dallas Howard from killing someone. THIS movie is actually ABOUT dating a vampire. We're finally back on task after five hours of content.

It is, again, a pity that the visual aesthetic is gone. But I'll give props to the CGI department for some of the scenes involving blood, seeing inside of Bella's body, and particularly the werewolves for looking better than they ever had. I will however, also say WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT BABY. WHY DID THEY NOT JUST GET A BABY WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE CGI.

The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2

I... don't really even know where to start with this one.

This movie ranges from some of the best action and special effects we've gotten, to the absolute worst CGI work I've ever seen in a movie released post-2000. It ranges from good, to boring, to bad, to downright offensive.

I'll start with the good, I suppose. Everything about Bella figuring out how to be a vampire was fun. Her enhanced senses, her hunting in the spectacularly impractical outfit, learning to fake breathing... it was all great. And the prolonged fight scene with the big team against the Vultori was awesome (even if it turning out to be fake was a ridiculous decision). Aro is as beautiful as the day I lost him.

Now, the boring. While I like the idea of gathering a bunch of vampires with weird powers to help fight the Vultori, the execution was just kind of dull. We had like one interesting recruitment scene where we got to see a vampire doing vampire stuff, and after that it was just a parade of people with new accents coming in and being like "my power is this, and my one personality trait is this." For how much of the movie this seemed to take up, that's a problem.

The bad. WHAT THE FUCK is with Renesme? Why did she still look CGI as a kid? Why did they go with a CGI baby to begin with? Why is this entire movie not about the complications of new parenthood with the added drama of vampirism and a kid who ages a year a day? Why is she seemingly just an agreeable prop with no personality? Has either Stephanie Meyer or the director EVER met a kid?

The offensive. I won't harp on this over-long, since I assume this is something this fandom has gotta hear a lot, but... "Should I start calling you dad?" So, to be clear, Jacob IS planning on dating Renesme. What the fuck? What the actual fuck? Why would someone ever choose to write that, and if you were adapting it and already took the time to establish that it wasn't romantic earlier in the movie, WHY would you not change it???

This movie was kind of a disaster, but I'd more readily rewatch it than Eclipse. This was at least a sort of beautiful disaster - one with highlights and lowlights far enough apart to give you whiplash.

FINAL THOUGHTS

Despite some of my criticisms, I did find my overall viewing experience very enjoyable. When it wasn't unironically enjoyable, it was silly and light enough that it made for a good casual viewing, and yes, a few so-bad-its-hilarious bits. And while I firmly believe Edward sucks, I'm willing to suspend my disbelief to appreciate Bella's crush and wish fulfillment.

I'd overall rank them as follows:

Breaking Dawn 1 > Twilight > New Moon > Breaking Dawn 2 > Eclipse

Twilight had a big background presence in my teenager-hood, and being a guy I didn't feel like I was "allowed" to engage with it or like it. I even spent some ill-advised time hating on the franchise simply because others told me I should. So it was vindicating finally seeing what the deal was, and it was very fun watching with my wife, who was returning to the franchise after a long time.

And despite my moralizing, I do think it's overall probably a harmless franchise. It's not as if the media I was consuming as a teenager set good examples about relationships either - Vegeta and Bulma in Dragonball Z are ten times as toxic as anything in Twilight.

There's a world where I rewatch one of these on a rainy day in the future. Me and my wife try to watch spooky movies every day in October, and I expect the first movie to start being a regular inclusion in that lineup.

Thanks for reading if you did!

This post attempts to calculate Edward's raw power:

>“The lowest branch of the ancient spruce beside me was in easy reach. I ripped the limb from the body without any effort at all. The wood shrieked and protested, the bark and splinters exploded from the site of the injury. I weighed the bough for a moment in my hand. Roughly 863 pounds. Not enough to win in a fight with the hemlock across the clearing to my right, but enough to do some damage. I flicked the branch at the hemlock tree, aiming for a knot about 30 feet from the ground. My projectile hit dead center, the thickest end of the bough smashing with a booming crunch, and disintegrating into shards of shattered wood that rained down on the ferns below with a faint hissing. A fissure split in the center of the knot, and snaked its way a few feet in either direction. The hemlock tree trembled once, the shock radiating through the roots and into the ground… so little effort on my part. I’d not needed to use more than a tiny fraction of my available strength, and still, so much violence, so much harm.”

A normal human can meaningfully throw an object 100 ft if it weighs 3lb or less. Edward throws a 863 lb branch he "ripped without any effort" around with "so little effort." If this translates to 5-10% of his total strength, we can roughly put his power at 3000x-6000x a normal human based on his first hand account. We can just settle on 3000x strength for this one but other accounts are much higher.

This 1948 study by Alfred Kinsey titled, "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" averages out the ejaculation distance of 300 participants. One outlier hits 8 ft while the average male hits just barely out from where they're standing. This means though that given enough power and the right pressure, a human penis can 'fire' a load an impressive distance.

The structure of Edward's penis does not scale with his power. Meaning he is 'firing' his semen through the same size of hose as a human male but with 3000x the power behind it.

A projectile fired at 45 degrees would require an exit velocity calculated below:

Human ejaculate velocity for 8ft distance: v = sqrt(d x g) = sqrt(2.4 m x 9.8 m/s^2) = 4.8 m/s = 11 mph.

If we scale that velocity with pressure using Bernoulli's Principle which states that velocity is directly proportional to the square root of pressure.

Vampire ejaculate velocity calculated from the pressure inside the penis scaled from human ejaculation velocity and vampire tree limb vandal activities: P = force/area = v * sqrt(3000) = 602 mph.

If we use other estimates for their power levels such as the cement truck being stopped by one arm, we can move this number to massive levels. Just saying we're low, we could say its 6000 times which puts Edward's load velocity up to 852 mph.

High speed apple cutting with fluid from a small tube

Vampire ejaculation distance in a vacuum:

If we use the outlier here we could claim the distance would reach 4.5 miles but that's just multiplying 8ft by 3000 which isn't accurate since Edward wouldn't ejaculate in a vacuum.

A 4.5 mile radius around Forks, Washington. This is the theoretical range of an Edward load if we don’t account for air resistance.

Vampire ejaculate atomization calculations accounting for air resistance.

The Weber number is the ratio of disruptive aerodynamic force to the surface tension holding a droplet together.

ρ_air * x^2 * d / σ

(1.2 × 90,000 × 0.003) / 0.05 = 6,500 We

Atomizing nozzle for industrial spray applications or for demonstrating semen atomization

When a Weber number is above 100, the breakup level well beyond 'atomization.' Edward's penis wouldn't fire out a stream, it would spray a room with a mist atomized cum particles that would exit his penis in a cone. He could hit a long distance relative to a human male, even with air resistance. It would be like an extremely high pressure paint gun spraying out.

Cone shaped aerosol

The true danger Bella faced was not bruising, it was machine shop grade water jet pressure inside at the end of that penis.

Bella needs serious safety training to learn how to handle vampire ejaculations.

Dangers to the human body

The question of danger comes down to the amount of kinetic energy released by Edward, the most dangerous point being the immediate nozzle of the high pressure hose.

We can roughly estimate his strength at time of climax by guessing his strength ratio to a human male:

3000× strength269 m/s½ × 0.004 × 269² ≈ 145 J
6000× strength380 m/s½ × 0.004 × 380² ≈ 289 J
10,000× (cement-truck)480 m/s½ × 0.004 × 480² ≈ 461 J

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Safety recommendations for Bella: create distance when working with high pressure hoses under water.

We're talking about the same energy outputs as a gun. Here is a good table for reference:

From Wikipedia we get a table with energy output in foot-pounds:

For example a .22 short round has 87 foot pounds of force. COnverting that to joules we get:

1ft/cdotplb = 1.3558J

Using that we can create this Charlie Swan approved table:

Charlie Swan demonstrates proper weapons handling, a lesson Bella needs to handle her Edward caliber rifle

Cartridge	ME (ft·lb, from Wikipedia)	× 1.3558 =	ME (joules)
.22 Short	87	87 × 1.3558	118 J
.22 Long Rifle	137	137 × 1.3558	186 J
.380 ACP	200	200 × 1.3558	271 J
9×19mm Parabellum	342	342 × 1.3558	464 J

Final verdict? Bella is handling a weapon that is potentially capable of delivering the same muzzle energy as a .22 Long Rifle all the way up to a 9 x 19mm Parabellum.

A good soldier always remembers proper weapons handling even while admiring the solid, cold, hard, hard chamber.

Final thoughts

Remember to keep your wits about you when handling a cylinder capable of exerting dangerous amounts of force. Point it away from people and animals you care about. Keep at least a 2 meter distance when in front of it. Always keep both eyes on it when its in the room with you.

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If Edward didn't exist, which other male vampire do you think Bella would like to be with? Either relationship or attraction from what she has said in the books? Who do you see her with? Let's say that no one has a mate.

i know the headcannon of vamps keeping wigs because hair on the head being riped out and it doesnt grow back but what about other places?

say you havent shaved legs or arm pits and then you get turned, do you just live with it?

or if you have a lot of facial hair are you stuck with​ it forever until someone rips it out?

people with a bunch of back hair?

thoughts?

My head canon is that Rosalie would be a cat girlie 100 percent. Cats are known for setting boundaries, personal space, affection on their own terms etc. I feel like that’s Rosalie to a T. It’s funny she has a “golden retriever” husband though, haha. Just some food for thought.

I haven't read the books, but throughout the movie we see Edward playing the piano several times. He plays very simple melodies composed by Carter Burwell and I actually love that they made Pattinson actually learn it and play it himself instead of making him play random keys and putting music over. I think it makes everything incredibly natural as Edward himself isn't a professional pianist and his playing doesn't sound professional either, it has imperfections and sounds very normal. As a professional pianist myself that was very refreshing to see.

P.S. it's also interesting how in the first movie they have Kawai grand piano and in breaking dawn part 2 they have a Steinway. I wonder if their sponsorship changed :DDD

I know, I know, it's a small detail, but it bugs me because I want to try to paint him: What EXACTLY is Edward's hair color? What does it look like?

Let's sum up the evidence:

• In the books, it's most often called bronze
• But in several instances, it's also referred to as copper
• But Bree Tanner calls Edward the redhead (because she doesn't know his name)
• In the movie, Robert Pattinson has auburn(ish) hair in the first movie and brown in the rest - which, obviously, doesn't fit the books

The books emphasize that Edward's hair color is unique. The only thing I think we can safely establish that it isn't light ginger, but more on a darker side of red.

If there are any hairstylists/hairdressers among you, I'd love to hear your thoughts on what Edward's hair color could look like. And if anybody else wants to chime in, please, do! Also, if you have any pictures that you think look like Edward's hair, feel free to add them.

If you followed Bella’s naming convention, what is your child’s name?

Ours is Kimbartha Thovin 💀