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Why is Wicked considered feminist?

I often see it talked about as feminist, especially in comparison to other revisionist versions of Oz like Oz the Great and Powerful. But looking at it critically, outside of centering a woman, it feels very anti-woman and anti-female empowerment to me.

Even taken on its own, it's not particularly friendly to women; the only good woman is Elphaba (who is also the moral center of the universe), all others are at the very least self-absorbed if not evil. The only women with power have it because of their proximity to men; even Elphaba only has magic power because of where her father comes from. Even on the evil side, the woman with actual magic power plays second fiddle to the powerless man because charisma or something. Wicked's Oz simply isn't a world where a woman can stand on her own, she always has to be pulled up by a man. They're also all involved in messy love triangles that tear apart friendships and bring ruin to them.

Then, comparing it to the source material, it's utterly disempowering. Literally, in the case of two of the three main witches, who aren't even allowed to have magic. The three witches, who were all originally rulers of parts of the country in their own right and earned their titles by their deeds, only have their titles because of their relationship to a man (Nessa inheriting the governorship of Munchkinland, the Wizard declaring Glinda "the Good" and Elphaba "the Wicked", and Elphie's only connection to the West is that it's where her heartthrob lives and he gives her a castle to hide in). Glinda is completely destroyed, to the point that Wicked-only fans think she doesn't deserve magic, which was her defining attribute for a century. Dorothy is turned from a little girl who will let nothing stop her from returning home to her family, who pushes others to achieve their dreams, into a brainwashed pawn. The movie version even vilifies her by implying that she considers the melting a triumphant moment, instead of an accident like in the original and almost every other adaptation.

IDK, it just seems to me that Wicked is not only not more feminist than most versions of Oz, it's significantly less feminist than the original, but that isn't widely recognized.

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u/Ayasugi-san — 6 hours ago

Wizard of Oz ponies (ponytown) (read body text)

These are my wizard of Oz ponies :] they’re mostly based on my headcanon versions of the characters

u/artsqoo223 — 1 day ago

Celebrating 4th of July in Oconomowoc, WI where the Wizard of Oz had its world premiere 87 years ago.

u/Jimmyg100 — 1 day ago

Could have sworn the Tin Man pulled out a piccolo at some point?

I can’t find it anywhere but I thought that there is some media where the tin man pulls out a piccolo? Am I misremembering? I know he smacks his chest and whistles smoke out of his hat but I thought there was a moment where he diddles off some piccolo notes in some media.

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u/holdyourponies — 1 day ago
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I’ve finished OZians who will become Dorothy’s friends

The Shaggy Man, the China Maiden, Mouse Queen, and Tip will offer Dorothy help and warm words throughout her journey across an OZ collapsing into despair.

u/OzAshborne — 3 days ago

Is Legends Of Oz: Dorothy's Return a worthy sequel?

This was a light hearted CGI movie set shortly after Dorothy returned from Oz, lots of cool characters and the Wicked Witch had a brother called The Jester that replaced her and her sister, guess he was the weak link.

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u/Tidewatcher7819 — 1 day ago

Why are bad witches ugly when wickedness does not cause ugliness?

Glinda tells Dorothy that only Wicked Witches are ugly, aren't many wicked/evil people throughout history attractive and beautiful?

Why wouldn't the Wicked Witches of the East and West be beautiful even using spells to appear beautiful and attractive to entice people to follow them? Or just beautiful naturally?

Shouldn't evil take a fair form?

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u/Tidewatcher7819 — 3 days ago

What happens if it rains in the Wicked Witches castle or land?

How would the Wicked Witch react if it was a rainy day and water got on the roof and floors of her castle or she was outside and got caught in the rain?

Wouldn't water kill her or is her robe rain proof.

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u/Tidewatcher7819 — 3 days ago

Which of these two re imaginings of Oz are your favorite/which one would you rather read?

The original wicked book series or the Dorothy must die book series? I love the Dorothy must die series.

u/RecordingImmediate86 — 6 days ago

The Wizard of Oz LEGO figures

Released for The Lego Movie 2, and in the second slide meeting themselves from an alternate timeline haha.

u/Sydnee_Guy — 7 days ago

A bad made-for-TV adaptation (Dorothy and the Witches of Oz) rekindled my fixation

https://preview.redd.it/wot3rh7xf9ah1.png?width=564&format=png&auto=webp&s=d3263e68823988981527cbbf9c532a70033eb149

I work at a library and was stocking the movies when I ran across "The Witches of Oz" and thought "Huh, I haven't seen that one before." The cover had a really cool looking Tin Man on it, and the cast had some big names. Billy Boyd, Sean Astin, and Christopher freaking Lloyd.

So I checked it out and spent an hour and a half of my life taking this thing in. I can't say I entirely regret it, it definitely had things about it that were entertaining. There were full CG scenes that looked like they were made for the PS2. It had a reference to the Jabberwocky that made me go "hold on" until the wicked witch says she was going to use the Macguffin to take over all the fantasy worlds and started listing Narnia and Wonderland.

And then the Tin Man that hooked me >!shows up apropos of nothing and has a scene that felt like it was added in post. I don't think he interacted with the main cast at all.!< And the guy he fights >!only exists for this scene as well. And the Tin Man defeats him by tapping him in the neck with his own axe!<.

Christopher Lloyd was good for his part, though he played the Wizard basically as Doc Brown. There's even a scene where he's quoting Doc Brown almost directly.

I'm way underselling this movie. Like I said, it was entertaining and most importantly, it was short. There was nothing about it that made me upset or that I thought would make a drinking game. Honestly, there were things about this that I liked better than Tin Man. If you get the chance I would say it's worth spending an hour and a half with a bowl of popcorn and enjoying. Just keep your expectations manageable.

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u/joealarson — 7 days ago
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Beavis and Butt-Head Wizard Of Oz parody.

Taken from the book Beavis And Butt-Head Huh Huh Hollywood, of course they had to reference Ozzy Osbourne but they are metal fans.

u/Tidewatcher7819 — 8 days ago
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Make this for fun

Look what you did to my sweet Elphie!

(We know Elphaba faked her death but farm girl doesn't know that)

edit: I made it for shits & giggles. At the end of the day, Dorothy was used as a pawn in a much bigger game.

u/Reasonable_Party2444 — 11 days ago

What's the consensus on March Laumer's Oz books?

I've heard they definitely have same very adult and.... questionable content, to put it lightly

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u/Think_Fact1155 — 8 days ago