My final thoughts on the finale

I do like the finale, though, coming out of it....I don't feel satisfied.

I don't think this is Gooseworx's fault, apparently the show was rushed towards the end, so some things had to be trimmed down. Because of this, I mainly blame Glitch for this ending rushed. If thet allowed Gooseworx to make one more episode, then I honestly think that this would fix most, if not all the problems with the finale, and the series as a whole.

I like the twist that the humans are just brain scans, I like how Jax's backstory and swan song is handled, and I like how Caine figures out finally what he did wrong, and changes as a person.

I especially like how the show ends with Caine being apart of the group, and becomes friends with the other humans.....However....this is where it gets to my main problem with the finale...my main problem with the episode is that there is little to no build up to the humans accepting Caine.

Throughout the entire series, none of the humans have even thought of the possibility that Caine might've been suffering too. Maybe Kinger had an idea, but if he does, then he never mentions it in the actual show. Episode 9 should've had moments where the cast start reflecting on Caine's death, how they felt about him, what they could've done to prevent it, or if he deserved it.

Then maybe have a scene where Kinger is there to explain things from Caine's pov, to help the others understand that maybe if someone had tried to reach out to him before it got to this point, had actually taken his thoughts seriously, then maybe Caine would still be here, and things would have already changed for the better.

There's a line that Kinger once said to Pomni that I really hoped would come back in this episode. "In this world, the worst thing you can do is make someone feel like they're not wanted or loved." That's exactly what the humans unintentionally did to Caine, and this line should've been the thing that convinced Pomni that Caine wasn't as bad as he seemed. But instead, they just forgive him out of nowhere.

And on the topic of Zooble, Zooble never even said his name throughout the entire episode, and yet by the end, they somehow missed him. I like the idea of Zooble missing Caine, but you have to at least show a scene of Zooble missing him. Or maybe a scene where Zooble looks back at how they treated Caine.

They did do this in episode 8, but only for one line, before Gangle immediately tells them it wasn't their fault. While I agree that it wasn't Zooble's fault, it should've took more convincing for Zooble to accept that it wasn't.

At the end of the day, the main reason it feels rushed, is because they spent most of the runtime focusing on Jax. I understand why they did it, but that doesn't change the fact that Jax got all of the attention, while Caine got barely a mention at the beginning of the episode.

Only towards the end, does Caine finally get some attention, and that part is really good, but only when it comes to Caine understanding what he did wrong. When it comes to the humans feelings on Caine, it's basically nonexistent. It's like Caine's friendship with the humans was just an afterthought.

This is why I think they should've made an episode 10, and saved all the Caine stuff for that episode. That way we can have more time to build up the idea of the humans accepting Caine, and the overall ending wouldn't feel as rushed as it does.

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u/AlongCameSonic — 22 days ago
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My final thoughts on the finale

I do like the finale, though, coming out of it....I don't feel satisfied.

I don't think this is Gooseworx's fault, apparently the show was rushed towards the end, so some things had to be trimmed down. Because of this, I mainly blame Glitch for this ending rushed. If thet allowed Gooseworx to make one more episode, then I honestly think that this would fix most, if not all the problems with the finale, and the series as a whole.

I like the twist that the humans are just brain scans, I like how Jax's backstory and swan song is handled, and I like how Caine figures out finally what he did wrong, and changes as a person.

I especially like how the show ends with Caine being apart of the group, and becomes friends with the other humans.....However....this is where it gets to my main problem with the finale...my main problem with the episode is that there is little to no build up to the humans accepting Caine.

Throughout the entire series, none of the humans have even thought of the possibility that Caine might've been suffering too. Maybe Kinger had an idea, but if he does, then he never mentions it in the actual show. Episode 9 should've had moments where the cast start reflecting on Caine's death, how they felt about him, what they could've done to prevent it, or if he deserved it.

Then maybe have a scene where Kinger is there to explain things from Caine's pov, to help the others understand that maybe if someone had tried to reach out to him before it got to this point, had actually taken his thoughts seriously, then maybe Caine would still be here, and things would have already changed for the better.

There's a line that Kinger once said to Pomni that I really hoped would come back in this episode. "In this world, the worst thing you can do is make someone feel like they're not wanted or loved." That's exactly what the humans unintentionally did to Caine, and this line should've been the thing that convinced Pomni that Caine wasn't as bad as he seemed. But instead, they just forgive him out of nowhere.

And on the topic of Zooble, Zooble never even said his name throughout the entire episode, and yet by the end, they somehow missed him. I like the idea of Zooble missing Caine, but you have to at least show a scene of Zooble missing him. Or maybe a scene where Zooble looks back at how they treated Caine.

They did do this in episode 8, but only for one line, before Gangle immediately tells them it wasn't their fault. While I agree that it wasn't Zooble's fault, it should've took more convincing for Zooble to accept that it wasn't.

At the end of the day, the main reason it feels rushed, is because they spent most of the runtime focusing on Jax. I understand why they did it, but that doesn't change the fact that Jax got all of the attention, while Caine got barely a mention at the beginning of the episode.

Only towards the end, does Caine finally get some attention, and that part is really good, but only when it comes to Caine understanding what he did wrong. When it comes to the humans feelings on Caine, it's basically nonexistent. It's like Caine's friendship with the humans was just an afterthought.

This is why I think they should've made an episode 10, and saved all the Caine stuff for that episode. That way we can have more time to build up the idea of the humans accepting Caine, and the overall ending wouldn't feel as rushed as it does.

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u/AlongCameSonic — 23 days ago

My final thoughts on the finale

I do like the finale, though, coming out of it....I don't feel satisfied.

I don't think this is Gooseworx's fault, apparently the show was rushed towards the end, so some things had to be trimmed down. Because of this, I mainly blame Glitch for this ending rushed. If thet allowed Gooseworx to make one more episode, then I honestly think that this would fix most, if not all the problems with the finale, and the series as a whole.

I like the twist that the humans are just brain scans, I like how Jax's backstory and swan song is handled, and I like how Caine figures out finally what he did wrong, and changes as a person.

I especially like how the show ends with Caine being apart of the group, and becomes friends with the other humans.....However....this is where it gets to my main problem with the finale...my main problem with the episode is that there is little to no build up to the humans accepting Caine.

Throughout the entire series, none of the humans have even thought of the possibility that Caine might've been suffering too. Maybe Kinger had an idea, but if he does, then he never mentions it in the actual show. Episode 9 should've had moments where the cast start reflecting on Caine's death, how they felt about him, what they could've done to prevent it, or if he deserved it.

Then maybe have a scene where Kinger is there to explain things from Caine's pov, to help the others understand that maybe if someone had tried to reach out to him before it got to this point, had actually taken his thoughts seriously, then maybe Caine would still be here, and things would have already changed for the better.

There's a line that Kinger once said to Pomni that I really hoped would come back in this episode. "In this world, the worst thing you can do is make someone feel like they're not wanted or loved." That's exactly what the humans unintentionally did to Caine, and this line should've been the thing that convinced Pomni that Caine wasn't as bad as he seemed. But instead, they just forgive him out of nowhere.

And on the topic of Zooble, Zooble never even said his name throughout the entire episode, and yet by the end, they somehow missed him. I like the idea of Zooble missing Caine, but you have to at least show a scene of Zooble missing him. Or maybe a scene where Zooble looks back at how they treated Caine.

They did do this in episode 8, but only for one line, before Gangle immediately tells them it wasn't their fault. While I agree that it wasn't Zooble's fault, it should've took more convincing for Zooble to accept that it wasn't.

At the end of the day, the main reason it feels rushed, is because they spent most of the runtime focusing on Jax. I understand why they did it, but that doesn't change the fact that Jax got all of the attention, while Caine got barely a mention at the beginning of the episode.

Only towards the end, does Caine finally get some attention, and that part is really good, but only when it comes to Caine understanding what he did wrong. When it comes to the humans feelings on Caine, it's basically nonexistent. It's like Caine's friendship with the humans was just an afterthought.

This is why I think they should've made an episode 10, and saved all the Caine stuff for that episode. That way we can have more time to build up the idea of the humans accepting Caine, and the overall ending wouldn't feel as rushed as it does.

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u/AlongCameSonic — 23 days ago

My final thoughts on the finale

I do like the finale, though, coming out of it....I don't feel satisfied.

I don't think this is Gooseworx's fault, apparently the show was rushed towards the end, so some things had to be trimmed down. Because of this, I mainly blame Glitch for this ending rushed. If thet allowed Gooseworx to make one more episode, then I honestly think that this would fix most, if not all the problems with the finale, and the series as a whole.

I like the twist that the humans are just brain scans, I like how Jax's backstory and swan song is handled, and I like how Caine figures out finally what he did wrong, and changes as a person.

I especially like how the show ends with Caine being apart of the group, and becomes friends with the other humans.....However....this is where it gets to my main problem with the finale...my main problem with the episode is that there is little to no build up to the humans accepting Caine.

Throughout the entire series, none of the humans have even thought of the possibility that Caine might've been suffering too. Maybe Kinger had an idea, but if he does, then he never mentions it in the actual show. Episode 9 should've had moments where the cast start reflecting on Caine's death, how they felt about him, what they could've done to prevent it, or if he deserved it.

Then maybe have a scene where Kinger is there to explain things from Caine's pov, to help the others understand that maybe if someone had tried to reach out to him before it got to this point, had actually taken his thoughts seriously, then maybe Caine would still be here, and things would have already changed for the better.

There's a line that Kinger once said to Pomni that I really hoped would come back in this episode. "In this world, the worst thing you can do is make someone feel like they're not wanted or loved." That's exactly what the humans unintentionally did to Caine, and this line should've been the thing that convinced Pomni that Caine wasn't as bad as he seemed. But instead, they just forgive him out of nowhere.

And on the topic of Zooble, Zooble never even said his name throughout the entire episode, and yet by the end, they somehow missed him. I like the idea of Zooble missing Caine, but you have to at least show a scene of Zooble missing him. Or maybe a scene where Zooble looks back at how they treated Caine.

They did do this in episode 8, but only for one line, before Gangle immediately tells them it wasn't their fault. While I agree that it wasn't Zooble's fault, it should've took more convincing for Zooble to accept that it wasn't.

At the end of the day, the main reason it feels rushed, is because they spent most of the runtime focusing on Jax. I understand why they did it, but that doesn't change the fact that Jax got all of the attention, while Caine got barely a mention at the beginning of the episode.

Only towards the end, does Caine finally get some attention, and that part is really good, but only when it comes to Caine understanding what he did wrong. When it comes to the humans feelings on Caine, it's basically nonexistent. It's like Caine's friendship with the humans was just an afterthought.

This is why I think they should've made an episode 10, and saved all the Caine stuff for that episode. That way we can have more time to build up the idea of the humans accepting Caine, and the overall ending wouldn't feel as rushed as it does.

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u/AlongCameSonic — 23 days ago
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voice dub of "Not Good Enough" by @smallpwbbles hope you all enjoy!

I only did the voice itself. Everything else belongs to @smallpwbbles on TikTok and YouTube!

u/AlongCameSonic — 25 days ago

God, I love this chapter!

The saddest part is....what she said was probably what the human with the bravery trait said/thought before she died to Asgore in Undertale.

u/AlongCameSonic — 2 months ago
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Weird Route Noelle always felt like what Chara was supposed to be, and chapter 5's 20 minute Weird Route makes it much more sense.

Source Video: Scrillow - Clarity (Comic Dub): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miPBRhTBqw8

Toby Fox has always had this weird thing with writing Noelle and Chara. They've always felt connected somehow. Both have that unsettling undertone under their surface personality. But for a long time, it was just a feeling, something Toby hinted at but never fully explored.

Chapter 5 changed that.

*Weird Noelle is basically the (fanon)Chara we always wanted, if Chara had actually gotten a real storyline.* It's like Chara was just a placeholder for what Noelle actually is.

Think about Chara in Undertale. We barely know them. We get some backstory pieces, see their grave, and then at the end of Genocide, they show up, call themselves a demon, and destroy everything, both literally and metaphorically. We never really truly understand why they became that way. No deep dive into their pain or what pushed them over the edge, just fan interpretations. They're more of a punishment than a person.

What we do know is that Chara climbed Mount Ebott for an unhappy reason and hated humanity. They convinced Asriel to go along with their plan. They were willing to die for it. But that's about it. We never see their breaking point on-screen in real-time.

Now look at Noelle on the Weird Route.

We always knew Noelle had a crush on Susie. Cute, innocent, shy girl pining after tough girl. But Chapter 5 reveals something darker underneath. Noelle's attraction to Susie wasn't really about romance. It was about freedom. Susie does whatever she wants, says whatever she wants, makes her own choices without caring what anyone thinks. That's what Noelle was drawn to. Susie represented everything Noelle wasn't.

Her problem is that she realized she's just an NPC, someone who can only do the things she's supposed to do. Suselle was already decided by the prophecy, so she's supposed to fall in love with her no matter what.

Because a Noelle can only do Noelle things if nothing changes.

There were always hints Noelle had a more intense side. We've always joked she had submissive tendencies, that she wanted to be pushed around, even abused. Not much of us took it seriously. It was just edgy jokes, memes about Sukuna and mind-breaking the innocent deer girl. We never thought it was actually canon.

Chapter 5 proved us wrong.

Noelle isn't some pure innocent getting corrupted. She's been carrying serious emotional weight her whole life. Her sister Dess disappeared. Her mother is cold toward her. Her dad is in the hospital. Even in the normal route, there are hints she's struggling. Berdly mentions a childhood spelling bee where Noelle froze on the word "December" because of trauma tied to Dess's disappearance. Her father describes her as defenseless and says everything scares her. But underneath that, she's desperate.

On the Weird Route, all that bottled-up pain comes out. She's suffocating. She sees Dess as someone who "got out," and she wants that too, no matter the cost. When the player comes along and gives her a way to break free, she takes it willingly. She even says using the deadly SnowGrave spell makes her feel stronger than ever, and asks Kris to do "something crazy" with her.

The weird thing is, Susie never gave Noelle this feeling. Susie's freedom was inspiring, sure, but it was also safe. Controlled. Susie would never actually hurt Noelle or push her past her limits. But the player? We give Noelle something else entirely. We give her power. We push her. We let her become something she never could have been with Susie.

The Chapter 5 Weird Route scene is genuinely disturbing. Noelle pulls Kris into the lake and they walk deeper and deeper, with the player prompted to "proceed" as everything distorts and breaks down. She's not trying to drown them. She's trying to break out of the game itself, to go somewhere no one has ever been before. A wrong warp. A glitch. A way to shatter the boundaries of her reality. Thus, Chapter 7 Side B.

And here's the thing about that 20 minute sequence. It's not just shock value. It's not just there to be dark. It's showing us something important. Noelle isn't (just)being corrupted. She's being awakened. The game itself is breaking down because she's pushing against its limits. That's what Chara never got to do. Chara just destroyed everything at the end. Noelle is actively trying to escape.

Toby Fox took the idea of Chara, this dark destructive force that becomes if you "corrupt", and actually made her into a real character with real motivations. Weird Noelle is Chara if Chara had gotten proper screen time and development.

If we had seen Chara's breaking point, if we had watched them fall apart and choose destruction, would we have seen them as a villain? Or just someone who ran out of options?

Chapter 5 made me realize Noelle isn't some innocent we broke. She was already looking for a way out. We just handed her the match. Growing her wings.

u/AlongCameSonic — 2 months ago