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Hello everyone. This is a pretty long read so brace yourselves. Please bring up any edits, criticisms or questions.

The Kurdish DNA and Haplogroups

The origins of the Kurdish people are rooted in the long-term population history of the Zagros–Taurus mountainous region, where human communities have lived continuously for tens of thousands of years. Kurds are one of the indigenous populations of this highland zone in the sense of deep historical continuity. Kurdish ethnogenesis is best understood as a gradual process shaped primarily by Iranian-speaking populations of the Zagros region during the first millennium BCE and later periods.

These groups, including those associated with the Median cultural-linguistic sphere and other Northwestern Iranian highland tribes, form the main foundation of Kurdish language and identity. Earlier ancient populations of the region, such as Hurrian-era communities and other Bronze Age highland groups, represent a deep pre-Iranian substrate of the region’s population history. A substrate means a deep background layer that brings along indirect influence. It refers to the deeper, older layer of population history in a region that still forms part of the background of later peoples, even if it cannot be traced as direct ancestry.

Groups like the Hurrians, Gutians and Lullubis are part of this broader ancient landscape, but their relationship to later Kurdish populations is indirect and cannot be traced as a direct lineage, though they may form part of the deep regional population substrate of the Zagros–northern Mesopotamian highlands. Kurdish ancestry therefore reflects long-term regional continuity and interaction among successive populations of the Zagros–Taurus highlands, rather than descent from a single ancient people or a simple combination of named early groups. The Zagros-Taurus mountains have experience long-term population continuity, interaction, and cultural and linguistic shifts over thousands of years.

It is possible that some ancient populations of the Zagros–Taurus highlands that contributed to later Kurdish ethnogenesis were known by different names in ancient sources. Because ethnic identities, political structures, and languages changed over long periods of time, the peoples recorded by Mesopotamian, Greek, Persian, and Roman writers do not necessarily correspond directly to modern ethnic categories. For example, the Sumerians mentioned a group which they called “Kar-da”, Assyrians mentioned “Qardu”, and the ancient Greeks also mentioned “Carduchi.”

The Hurrians

The Hurrians were an ancient people who inhabited upper Mesopotamia, northern Syria and southeastern Anatolia. The Hurrians established their first kingdom in the city of Urkesh, where they were first recorded. Mitanni was the biggest and most powerful Hurrian kingdom. The Hurrians blended together with other peoples by the Early Iron Age.

By the Middle Bronze Age, Hurrian names were occasionally found in northwest Mesopotamia and the Kirkuk region of modern-day Iraq. At Urkesh and other locations, their presence was confirmed. In the end, they occupied a wide arc of productive farmland that stretched from the Zagros Mountains’ foothills in the east to the valley of the Khabur River in the west. By this time, Urkesh had been subjugated and reduced to a tributary state by the Amorite Kingdom of Mari to the south during the Old Babylonian period in the early second millennium BC. Hurrians are indirectly linked to be the first layer of Kurdish identity due to three big reasons.

The first reason: geographic overlap. Both the Hurrians and later Kurdish populations are associated with the broader Zagros–Taurus–Upper Mesopotamian highland zone. However, this similarity reflects long-term continuity of human settlement in the same mountainous region, rather than direct ethnic descent. The area has been inhabited by many different populations over thousands of years, with repeated cultural and linguistic changes. Therefore, Hurrians are better understood as part of the ancient regional substrate rather than a specific ancestral layer of Kurdish identity.

The second reason: the assumption of ancient continuity. This is where it is assumed that when one ancient population disappears, it must directly transform into a modern ethnic group.

Modern historical and genetic research shows that the Zagros–Mesopotamian region instead experienced long-term population continuity combined with repeated migration, language shifts, and cultural change. Populations in the region did not remain static or evolve in a single direct line. For this reason, groups such as the Hurrians, along with other ancient populations like the Gutians and Lullubi, are more accurately viewed as part of a deep regional background to populations, while Kurdish ethnogenesis is mainly, but not fully, associated with later Iranian-speaking populations of the first millennium BCE.

The third reason: real but indirect continuity. There is a real but indirect basis for associating ancient populations like the Hurrians with the deep history of the Kurdish homeland. The Zagros–Upper Mesopotamian highlands are among the longest continuously inhabited regions in the world, and populations there have experienced repeated cycles of cultural and linguistic change over many millennia. Rather than one population being directly replaced by another, what occurred was a process of layered continuity, where older populations contributed to the broader genetic and cultural background of the region. However, Kurdish ethnogenesis is primarily, but not fully linked to the later emergence of Iranian-speaking highland populations, which formed the main linguistic and cultural foundation of Kurdish identity.

The Gutians

The Gutians have a weaker link than with the Hurrians, which is why when Kurds would be presented with the idea of one or the other, most would choose the Hurrians as a more possible link. During the Bronze Age, a group of people from the Near East known as Gutians appeared and vanished. By the middle of the second millennium BCE, all foreigners from northwest ancient Iran, between the Zagros Mountains and the Tigris River, were referred to as “Gutium” by the Assyrians and Babylonians of Mesopotamia. The term “Gutians” or “Gutium” was no longer used to refer to a single ethnolinguistic group, but rather to a variety of tribes and locations in the east and northeast, independent of ethnicity.

Since no artefacts have been positively identified and modern sources offer minimal data, little is known about the Guti’s origins, material culture, and language. It is impossible to confirm the Gutian language’s similarities to other languages because it lacks a written corpus, except for a few proper names. Sumerian, Akkadian, Hurrian, and more were among the languages spoken in the area at that period. The Gutians are thought of by some historians to have some possible distant connection to the Kurds due to three reasons.

The first reason is the same as the reason for the regional and ethnic continuity link with the Hurrians, which is geographic overlap. The Gutians are described in ancient Mesopotamian sources as inhabiting the Zagros Mountains and surrounding highlands, particularly in areas corresponding to parts of modern eastern Iraq and western Iran. This region overlaps with the broader Zagros–Taurus mountain system where Kurdish populations later developed. However, this overlap reflects the long-term continuity of human settlement in the same mountainous environment rather than a direct ethnic or genetic descent from one group to another. The Zagros has historically been home to many different populations across different time periods.

 

The second reason: the ancient texts that were found which described the Gutians as “mountain people”. Sources such as Sumerian and Akkadian records often describe them as mountain dwellers, politically fragmented groups living outside the control of lowland civilizations. Similarly, Kurdish populations have historically been associated with mountainous regions and are often described in geographic rather than centralized political terms in older historical sources.

The third reason: the “ancient ancestor” theories of the 19^(th)-20^(th) century. Modern research has moved away from this approach. Advances in archaeology, linguistics, and population genetics have shown that the history of populations in the Near East is highly complex, involving long-term continuity, migration, language shifts, and repeated mixing over thousands of years. As a result, the current academic consensus does not support a direct Gutian-to-Kurd lineage. Instead, Kurdish origins are best explained through the formation of Iranian-speaking highland populations in the Zagros region during the first millennium BCE and later, within a broader deep regional population history.

The Lullubis

The Lullubis make up what is thought of as the second, middle layer of the makeup of the Kurds, along with the aforementioned Gutians and other Iranic-speaking populations. During the third millennium BC, a group of Bronze Age tribes known as the Lullubis vanished. They came from an area called Lulubum, which is now the Sharazor plain of the Zagros Mountains. Lullubis fought the Semitic Akkadian Empire and Assyria while being a neighbour and occasionally an ally of the Hurrian Simurrum kingdom.

Lulubum and the nearby province of Gutium, which may have shared Hurrian ancestry with the Lullubis, were among the regions that Sargon the Great conquered during his Akkadian Empire. The Gutians are thought of by some historians to have some possible distant connection to the Kurds due to the same main three reasons as of the Gutians, so see the aforementioned reasons given.

The Medes

The Medes are an ancient people who the majority of Kurds heavily align with as this is one of the most proven and plausible ancient population to attribute to the makeup of the Kurds, along with the aforementioned ancient populations, as Kurds are described as the product of the mixing of different populations within their indigenous homeland of the Zagros-Taurus Mountains.

The Medes were an Iron Age Iranic people who lived in Media, a region between northern and western Iran, and spoke the Median language. They took over the mountainous area of northwest Iran and the eastern and northeastern parts of Mesopotamia near Ecbatana (modern-day Hamadan) around the 11^(th) century BC. It is thought that they consolidated in Iran in the 8^(th) century BC. Although their exact geographic extent is still uncertain, the Medians ruled over all of Western Iran and a few other regions in the 7^(th) century BC.

The only foreign sources of information on the Medes are the Assyrians, Babylonians, Armenians, Greeks, and a few archaeological sites in Iran that are thought to have been inhabited by Medes. Herodotus’ descriptions of the Medes paint a picture of a strong people who would have established an empire at the start of the 7^(th) century BC that lasted to until the 550s BC, were crucial to the collapse of the Assyrian Empire, and faced off against the formidable kingdoms of Babylonia and Lydia. Historians think of the Medes as to having a much more plausible connection to the Kurds for three main reasons.

The first reason: the strong linguistic connection. The Medes were an Iranian-speaking people, likely belonging to the broader Northwestern Iranian branch of Indo-Iranian languages, which is also the family to which Kurdish languages belong. While the exact structure of the Median language is not fully preserved, the linguistic relationship suggests that Kurdish languages and Median-related dialects share a common Iranian linguistic background. Earlier ancient populations of the region, by contrast, are generally thought to have spoken non-Iranian languages. For this reason, some scholars view the Median period as part of the broader linguistic background from which later Kurdish-speaking populations emerged.

The second reason: geographic continuity. The Medes were centred in northwestern Iran and the Zagros mountain region, areas that remain core zones of Kurdish settlement today. This continuity reflects long-term habitation of the same broader highland environment rather than a direct one-to-one ethnic descent. The Zagros region experienced repeated cycles of population change, interaction, and cultural transformation over millennia, meaning that later Iranian-speaking populations, including those associated with Kurdish ethnogenesis, developed within a landscape already inhabited by diverse earlier groups.

The third reason: genetic consistency. From a population genetics perspective, modern Kurdish groups generally cluster with other populations of the Iranian plateau and surrounding highlands, indicating long-term regional continuity in the genetic landscape of the Zagros–West Iranian area. However, this similarity reflects broad regional ancestry rather than descent from a single ancient group. Ancient populations such as the Medes are not directly identifiable in genetic terms, but they are often considered part of the Iranian-speaking highland populations of the first millennium BCE, which contributed to the later formation of Kurdish ethnogenesis alongside other regional influences.

Shlama everyone (I hope that's right), how is everyone? I am Kurdish, from Sulaymaniyah specifically, and I wanted to talk to some Assyrians about some things. First thing, I love Assyrians and when I go back to Kurdistan, one of my childhood friends is an Assyrian and his family are the nicest people ever.

1. I do think that Assyrians deserve a nation as it is the right of every group. From my understanding, Assyrians originated from Mosul or as they call it Assur or Nineveh? Please correct me if I am wrong. However, I still do believe that us Kurds deserve a state.
2. I see a lot of Assyrians saying that Kurds neglect their presence in Mesopotamia and in Kurdistan, which is wrong. While there may be some factions of ultra-nationalists that do, the rest of us, the majority, acknowledge the Assyrian indigenousness.
3. We recognise the Assyrian (Seyfo, I think) genocide and we are ashamed that it happened, some of our ancestors comitting such disgusting acts. Having gone through genocides ourselves, and losing my own uncle to one, it is a disgusting and horrifying thing.
4. A lot of people make up a lot of theories about Kurdish origins that aren't true (not Assyrians, lots of people) and I wanted to clear somethings up. There are factions that say that Kurds are descended from Sumerians, and like that is obviously just unfactual since Sumerians were from southern Mesopotamia and Kurds are indigenous to the Zagros-Taurus mountains spanning across Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria. Kurdish ethnogenesis is best described as layers and waves which make up the modern Kurds today. The Hurrians, Gutians, Lullubis play a deep background substrate role, where these Mesopotamian/Zagrosian are genetically and linguistically playing an indirect role but then with the wave of the Medes and other Iranian farmer groups, soon the modern Kurds came to be. It is also plausible that original Kurds, the very first that mixed with these populations, went by or were given different names, like the Sumerians with "Kar-da" and the Greeks with "Carduchi." After all, Kurd was only dubbed on us by the Arabs and everyone went with it.
5. With number 4 being said, I have to bring up the theories that some Kurds bring up about Assyrians, like they were actually extinct and the British created them out of Nestorians or something and they came from Africa and all that. It's as stupid as saying Kurds are actually Indian.
6. I recognise the crimes of the KRG against the Assyrian population, such as the kicking of Assyrians out of their homes and appropiating some Assyrian culture and clothing as our own. It needs to be stopped. To be honest, I really don't know why this happens. We have plenty of our own history to put in museums and teach the world about, like our ancestors, mentioned in point 4, like Hurrians (that also contributed to Assyrians and integrated with them over certain points in history), Lullubis, Medes, Gutians that we can talk about with the acknowledgement of them as their own people and not "ancient Kurds" but ancestors of the modern Kurds. Also our caliphates and our kings and princes, like the one who found my city. The Halabja monument (as sad as it is, my uncle died in Anfal, God rest his soul) and more. Assyrians have their own distinct history and we have ours.
7. Is there any app or something were I can learn Aramaic? I like learning languages, and I know Kurdish, Arabic, Albanian, English (obviously), and some Turkish. I want to learn Aramaic as well.

All this said, I see more Assyrians and Kurds coming together and being friends and getting along, and it makes me very happy. The path is being paved, and I pray to God that it continues with our brothers and sisters. Whoever reading, God bless you.

Hello everyone. This is a pretty long read so brace yourselves. Please bring up any edits, criticisms or questions.

The Kurdish DNA and Haplogroups

The origins of the Kurdish people are rooted in the long-term population history of the Zagros–Taurus mountainous region, where human communities have lived continuously for tens of thousands of years. Kurds are one of the indigenous populations of this highland zone in the sense of deep historical continuity. Kurdish ethnogenesis is best understood as a gradual process shaped primarily by Iranian-speaking populations of the Zagros region during the first millennium BCE and later periods.

These groups, including those associated with the Median cultural-linguistic sphere and other Northwestern Iranian highland tribes, form the main foundation of Kurdish language and identity. Earlier ancient populations of the region, such as Hurrian-era communities and other Bronze Age highland groups, represent a deep pre-Iranian substrate of the region’s population history. A substrate means a deep background layer that brings along indirect influence. It refers to the deeper, older layer of population history in a region that still forms part of the background of later peoples, even if it cannot be traced as direct ancestry.

Groups like the Hurrians, Gutians and Lullubis are part of this broader ancient landscape, but their relationship to later Kurdish populations is indirect and cannot be traced as a direct lineage, though they may form part of the deep regional population substrate of the Zagros–northern Mesopotamian highlands. Kurdish ancestry therefore reflects long-term regional continuity and interaction among successive populations of the Zagros–Taurus highlands, rather than descent from a single ancient people or a simple combination of named early groups. The Zagros-Taurus mountains have experience long-term population continuity, interaction, and cultural and linguistic shifts over thousands of years.

It is possible that some ancient populations of the Zagros–Taurus highlands that contributed to later Kurdish ethnogenesis were known by different names in ancient sources. Because ethnic identities, political structures, and languages changed over long periods of time, the peoples recorded by Mesopotamian, Greek, Persian, and Roman writers do not necessarily correspond directly to modern ethnic categories. For example, the Sumerians mentioned a group which they called “Kar-da”, Assyrians mentioned “Qardu”, and the ancient Greeks also mentioned “Carduchi.”

The Hurrians

The Hurrians were an ancient people who inhabited upper Mesopotamia, northern Syria and southeastern Anatolia. The Hurrians established their first kingdom in the city of Urkesh, where they were first recorded. Mitanni was the biggest and most powerful Hurrian kingdom. The Hurrians blended together with other peoples by the Early Iron Age.

By the Middle Bronze Age, Hurrian names were occasionally found in northwest Mesopotamia and the Kirkuk region of modern-day Iraq. At Urkesh and other locations, their presence was confirmed. In the end, they occupied a wide arc of productive farmland that stretched from the Zagros Mountains’ foothills in the east to the valley of the Khabur River in the west. By this time, Urkesh had been subjugated and reduced to a tributary state by the Amorite Kingdom of Mari to the south during the Old Babylonian period in the early second millennium BC. Hurrians are indirectly linked to be the first layer of Kurdish identity due to three big reasons.

The first reason: geographic overlap. Both the Hurrians and later Kurdish populations are associated with the broader Zagros–Taurus–Upper Mesopotamian highland zone. However, this similarity reflects long-term continuity of human settlement in the same mountainous region, rather than direct ethnic descent. The area has been inhabited by many different populations over thousands of years, with repeated cultural and linguistic changes. Therefore, Hurrians are better understood as part of the ancient regional substrate rather than a specific ancestral layer of Kurdish identity.

The second reason: the assumption of ancient continuity. This is where it is assumed that when one ancient population disappears, it must directly transform into a modern ethnic group.

Modern historical and genetic research shows that the Zagros–Mesopotamian region instead experienced long-term population continuity combined with repeated migration, language shifts, and cultural change. Populations in the region did not remain static or evolve in a single direct line. For this reason, groups such as the Hurrians, along with other ancient populations like the Gutians and Lullubi, are more accurately viewed as part of a deep regional background to populations, while Kurdish ethnogenesis is mainly, but not fully, associated with later Iranian-speaking populations of the first millennium BCE.

The third reason: real but indirect continuity. There is a real but indirect basis for associating ancient populations like the Hurrians with the deep history of the Kurdish homeland. The Zagros–Upper Mesopotamian highlands are among the longest continuously inhabited regions in the world, and populations there have experienced repeated cycles of cultural and linguistic change over many millennia. Rather than one population being directly replaced by another, what occurred was a process of layered continuity, where older populations contributed to the broader genetic and cultural background of the region. However, Kurdish ethnogenesis is primarily, but not fully linked to the later emergence of Iranian-speaking highland populations, which formed the main linguistic and cultural foundation of Kurdish identity.

The Gutians

The Gutians have a weaker link than with the Hurrians, which is why when Kurds would be presented with the idea of one or the other, most would choose the Hurrians as a more possible link. During the Bronze Age, a group of people from the Near East known as Gutians appeared and vanished. By the middle of the second millennium BCE, all foreigners from northwest ancient Iran, between the Zagros Mountains and the Tigris River, were referred to as “Gutium” by the Assyrians and Babylonians of Mesopotamia. The term “Gutians” or “Gutium” was no longer used to refer to a single ethnolinguistic group, but rather to a variety of tribes and locations in the east and northeast, independent of ethnicity.

Since no artefacts have been positively identified and modern sources offer minimal data, little is known about the Guti’s origins, material culture, and language. It is impossible to confirm the Gutian language’s similarities to other languages because it lacks a written corpus, except for a few proper names. Sumerian, Akkadian, Hurrian, and more were among the languages spoken in the area at that period. The Gutians are thought of by some historians to have some possible distant connection to the Kurds due to three reasons.

The first reason is the same as the reason for the regional and ethnic continuity link with the Hurrians, which is geographic overlap. The Gutians are described in ancient Mesopotamian sources as inhabiting the Zagros Mountains and surrounding highlands, particularly in areas corresponding to parts of modern eastern Iraq and western Iran. This region overlaps with the broader Zagros–Taurus mountain system where Kurdish populations later developed. However, this overlap reflects the long-term continuity of human settlement in the same mountainous environment rather than a direct ethnic or genetic descent from one group to another. The Zagros has historically been home to many different populations across different time periods.

 

The second reason: the ancient texts that were found which described the Gutians as “mountain people”. Sources such as Sumerian and Akkadian records often describe them as mountain dwellers, politically fragmented groups living outside the control of lowland civilizations. Similarly, Kurdish populations have historically been associated with mountainous regions and are often described in geographic rather than centralized political terms in older historical sources.

The third reason: the “ancient ancestor” theories of the 19^(th)-20^(th) century. Modern research has moved away from this approach. Advances in archaeology, linguistics, and population genetics have shown that the history of populations in the Near East is highly complex, involving long-term continuity, migration, language shifts, and repeated mixing over thousands of years. As a result, the current academic consensus does not support a direct Gutian-to-Kurd lineage. Instead, Kurdish origins are best explained through the formation of Iranian-speaking highland populations in the Zagros region during the first millennium BCE and later, within a broader deep regional population history.

The Lullubis

The Lullubis make up what is thought of as the second, middle layer of the makeup of the Kurds, along with the aforementioned Gutians and other Iranic-speaking populations. During the third millennium BC, a group of Bronze Age tribes known as the Lullubis vanished. They came from an area called Lulubum, which is now the Sharazor plain of the Zagros Mountains. Lullubis fought the Semitic Akkadian Empire and Assyria while being a neighbour and occasionally an ally of the Hurrian Simurrum kingdom.

Lulubum and the nearby province of Gutium, which may have shared Hurrian ancestry with the Lullubis, were among the regions that Sargon the Great conquered during his Akkadian Empire. The Gutians are thought of by some historians to have some possible distant connection to the Kurds due to the same main three reasons as of the Gutians, so see the aforementioned reasons given.

The Medes

The Medes are an ancient people who the majority of Kurds heavily align with as this is one of the most proven and plausible ancient population to attribute to the makeup of the Kurds, along with the aforementioned ancient populations, as Kurds are described as the product of the mixing of different populations within their indigenous homeland of the Zagros-Taurus Mountains.

The Medes were an Iron Age Iranic people who lived in Media, a region between northern and western Iran, and spoke the Median language. They took over the mountainous area of northwest Iran and the eastern and northeastern parts of Mesopotamia near Ecbatana (modern-day Hamadan) around the 11^(th) century BC. It is thought that they consolidated in Iran in the 8^(th) century BC. Although their exact geographic extent is still uncertain, the Medians ruled over all of Western Iran and a few other regions in the 7^(th) century BC.

The only foreign sources of information on the Medes are the Assyrians, Babylonians, Armenians, Greeks, and a few archaeological sites in Iran that are thought to have been inhabited by Medes. Herodotus’ descriptions of the Medes paint a picture of a strong people who would have established an empire at the start of the 7^(th) century BC that lasted to until the 550s BC, were crucial to the collapse of the Assyrian Empire, and faced off against the formidable kingdoms of Babylonia and Lydia. Historians think of the Medes as to having a much more plausible connection to the Kurds for three main reasons.

The first reason: the strong linguistic connection. The Medes were an Iranian-speaking people, likely belonging to the broader Northwestern Iranian branch of Indo-Iranian languages, which is also the family to which Kurdish languages belong. While the exact structure of the Median language is not fully preserved, the linguistic relationship suggests that Kurdish languages and Median-related dialects share a common Iranian linguistic background. Earlier ancient populations of the region, by contrast, are generally thought to have spoken non-Iranian languages. For this reason, some scholars view the Median period as part of the broader linguistic background from which later Kurdish-speaking populations emerged.

The second reason: geographic continuity. The Medes were centred in northwestern Iran and the Zagros mountain region, areas that remain core zones of Kurdish settlement today. This continuity reflects long-term habitation of the same broader highland environment rather than a direct one-to-one ethnic descent. The Zagros region experienced repeated cycles of population change, interaction, and cultural transformation over millennia, meaning that later Iranian-speaking populations, including those associated with Kurdish ethnogenesis, developed within a landscape already inhabited by diverse earlier groups.

The third reason: genetic consistency. From a population genetics perspective, modern Kurdish groups generally cluster with other populations of the Iranian plateau and surrounding highlands, indicating long-term regional continuity in the genetic landscape of the Zagros–West Iranian area. However, this similarity reflects broad regional ancestry rather than descent from a single ancient group. Ancient populations such as the Medes are not directly identifiable in genetic terms, but they are often considered part of the Iranian-speaking highland populations of the first millennium BCE, which contributed to the later formation of Kurdish ethnogenesis alongside other regional influences.

I really want to know why there are so many Kurdish flags? Like the most known one is the Ala Rengin and the one that is the oldest (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) but we see in Rojava and Bakur a collection and array of different flags it really gets confusing. Why can't we all be under one flag?

Thanks hamuwan w salam aleikum

السلام عليكم يا شعب المصريين.

I want to know what Egyptians think about Kurds and if they know anything about us. I know quite a lot of Egyptians actually, probably around 10 to 15, and they are all cool apart from one who called us gypsies and kafirs.

اريد اعرف شنو رأي اامصريين عن احنا الكورد واذا يعرفون اشياء عننا. اعرف هواي من المصريين، ١٠-١٥ تقريبا، وكلهم اشخاص لطيفين وحلوين غير من واحد اللي قال الكورد اصلهم غجر واحنا كافرين.

Kurdish people would mostly know Arabic nowadays from Egyptian shows and Egyptian and Iraqi songs if they live in Kurdistan and not in Baghdad or Damascus or something. A LOT of Kurds like songs by Sherine as well, and play them in public places or their shops as well as Um Kulthum

شعب الكوردي يعرفون اللغة عربية من مسلسلات المصرية وأغاني مصرية وعراقية اذا يعيشون في كوردستان ومو في بغداد او دمشق. هواي وكثير من الكورد يعشقون اغاني شيرين وأم كلثوم ويلعبون اغانيهم في محل وسوقهم

Also one question: Is it true Egyptians don't say they're Arabs but Coptics? Never asked any Egyptians.

بعد عندي سؤال واحد: صحيح أن اامصريين اليوم ما يقولون إنهم عرب بس قبطيين؟ ما سألت اي واحد مصري عن هاي الموضوع.

Feel free to voice any opinion. Thanks!

شكرا الكم!

Hi everyone, I want to know what Albanians think of Kurds and also what they think of Kurdistan? Good? Bad? Do you know any Kurds? I think I have only met one Albanian before, and he was pretty cool. Feel free to voice any opinion.

Her biji Kurdistan and Hajde Shqipe

Thanks!

Hi everyone, I want to know what Greeks think of Kurds and also what they think of Kurdistan? Good? Bad? Do you know any Kurds? Me personally, one of my best friends is Greek. Feel free to voice any opinion.

Thanks!

Salam aleikum w slaw bo hamuwan. Let me first start off by saying that I am a Muslim Kurd that does support an independent Kurdistan, like any respectable Kurd, from Bashur.

How did Muslim Kurds feel about SDF? Me personally am neither pro or anti SDF, neutral but leaning towards, as I believe they did great things by taking out the terrorist Daesh that made the name of Islam disgusting. However, I also believe that they have had their fair share of crimes, which we do need to call out. However, they were much better off than the Syrian Transitional Government now that have their militants attack Christians and other minorities in the name of unity, which is disgusting. Another problem of mine with the SDF's connections to PKK, with their outdated agenda and giving up on a Kurdish state years ago. Most Bashuri Kurds are not fond of PKK. That being said, Kurds in Rojava definitely need a way to defend themselves, but I don't think SDF was it.

I align myself much more with the Peshmerga in Bashur who stay in Kurdish majority areas and defend us from oppressors, and as the overwhelming majority of them are Islamic, since Kurds and Kurdistan are an Islamic people and nation.

Also, defending our Christian Assyrian and Yezidi brothers is a big thing that we need to focus on. Ik that members of SDF were from these ethnic and religious groups as well, which is great.

I want to know what other Muslim Kurds thought about them? Please feel free to voice any opinion.

On a subreddit (will not state which one), there was a post denying Kurdish presence in Syria using evidence from a Wikipedia page that stated: "Even though some Kurdish communities have a long history in Syria,[33] most Syrian Kurds originate from Turkey and have immigrated during the 20th century to escape the harsh repression of the Kurds in that country."

In that same Wikipedia page, above what was stated, it says quote: "It is estimated that at the beginning of the 20th century around 12,000 Kurds lived in Damascus; an unknown number of Kurds lived in the Kurd-Dagh region; 16,000 Kurds lived in the Jarabulus region; and an unknown number lived in the Jazira province, where they were likely the majority."

Kurds have had a presence in Syria since the times of Saladin. Most Syrian Kurds have came from Turkey, which is true and no one is denying it, it's historical facts. But to group them all and say they have no right to the land us stupid as of the later statement from the Wikipedia page quoted. Keep in mind, Arabs are not "indigenous" to Syria either.

The Jazira province is modern-day Hasakah Governorate and it states that Kurds were likely the majority. Does that mean to the whole governorate? Of course not! It references to the north part of the governorate such as Darbasiyah, Al Malakiyah, Qamishli, Amuda and surrounding areas. Once you get to the central belt of Hasakah and southwards, it becomes Arab land.

Btw al-Mus'adi, an Arab scholar who died in the 900s, stated that Darbasiyah was the stronghold of the Kurdish Kikan tribe. Al Malakiyah was also controlled by the Kurdish Bohtan principality until 1848 and inhabited mostly by the Kurdish Hesinyan tribe, gaving the plain its name.

Would love to hear anyone else's thoughts, especially if you disagree with anything I've said!

Marhaba, I am from Sulaymaniyah in Kurdistan and do not know much Arabic, anything to do with Arabic and me is through Google Translate.

I am going to Baghdad soon to visit family members who live there. I want to explore the city but my Arabic is minimal. Do people understand Kurdish to some degree, or at least broken Arabic?

Thanks

Salam aleikum w slaw bo hamuwan, I am Kurdish from Bashur and I wanted to talk about some things regarding Rojava and the SDF that I have already brought up in Syria reddit to talk to some of them, but no one has replied since it is waiting mods approval.

First I want to say that I am pro Kurdish independence like any respectable Kurd.

1. I am neither pro or anti-SDF, I sit in the middle. I think they did wonderful things by fighting ISIS and liberating cities. However, we cannot deny that the SDF has also displaced lots of innocent Arab civilians who have nothing to do with Daesh, God curse them all. I do think that Rojava should have it's own type of system which keeps it protected, but I don't think the SDF was it. What are your thoughts?

2. SDF shouldn't have taken the governorates or Deir-ez-Zor and Raqqa since these aren't Kurdish areas, they are Arab. In my opinion, the SDF expanded into these areas for more reach and power as a political power, not for the good of Kurdistan or the Arabs that were displaced from these areas who were innocent. However this does NOT excuse the attacks from military and from civilians against Kurdish civilians for having the Kurdistan flag, the flag of their people, or for celebrating Newroz. What are your thoughts?

3. Rojava should have governorance over Kurdish majority areas, like Kobani, Amuda, Derik, Darbasiyah, Qamishlo, Afrin, etc. What are your thoughts?

4. I am heavily fixated on debunking what Arab racists and extremists say that Kurds only appeared in Syria during the migrations over from Bakur. This is factually untrue as there were Kurdish majority areas since the times of the Ottoman Empire and before, like the areas mentioned in point 3.

5. The Kurds in Rojava have rights now due to Al Sharaa but we still see attacks from his military and civilians go unchecked against us Kurds, Druze, Assyrians, Christians and other minorities. Doesn't really surprise me since he was a literal jihadist. How do you think we can raise more awareness about it?

Spas bo hamutan if you reply and tell me some of your thoughts.