u/Carnotaurusrules

Definitions like no feathers, extinct, or any other definition that is predicated on the no true Scotsman fallacy won’t be accepted.

What I’m looking for is a suite of characteristics that unite all of what you think are dinosaurs, that excludes birds.

Robertbyers1 also may provide evidence for body plan morphing and that theropods were just big fat flightless birds.

Yeah, after researching about how corn couldn’t have evolved, I read an article that said corn is a domesticated plant, whose wild ancestor is drastically different.

It doesn’t have a cylindrical shape and it’s much smaller, with only a few kernels per plant.

I thought the evolutionists who told me it was domesticated were scrambling to find an answer to my challenge, but it was me who was wrong.

You can’t make savory, buttery popcorn with it or anything that modern corn can.

Which brings to me to admit……this was just a goof.

I knew corn was domesticated, microevolved not macro though , and experienced mutations that changed its anatomy, but it didn’t provide new genetic information.

Anyways, let’s move on from corn, no need to bash a joke.

Stay fine tuned for intelligent design posts in the future.

Trilobite eyes are so complex, there’s no way I could imagine it evolving in a million billion years, so how could it mega evolve in the Cambrian explosion, fully formed.

Any answer will be hit with a nuh uh appetizer and a side of it’s just a theory.

On a serious note, the trilobites that are presented in Creationist media are almost always phacopid trilobites, from the Devonian period, which took place 95 million years after the Cambrian ended.

In reality, the super duper mega complex eyes that couldn’t have evolved were, lensless, had one or a few lenses, or the eyes were entirely absent.

The eyes of Pagetia , they’re there, but you’ll have to find them yourself.

This is likely a deliberately dishonest taking point from Creationists, who keep presenting trilobites that aren’t even from the Cambrian, to lie about the Cambrian Explosion.

Even if the banana was easy to explain, Ray missed the actual atheist’s nightmare, corn.

It fits the human hand perfectly, being a cylindrical shape that easily snaps of it’s stalk, allowing for effective harvesting.

Corn’s curve is perfect for the mouth, as you can grab the edges and eat every kernel, with it being easy to skewer with a stick.

You can put it in the microwave to produce popcorn, which is the favorite cinema snack and has made millions of dollars.

People even make mazes with corn, giving good memories to any child at a pumpkin patch.

How do evolutionists propose that over millions of years that it just happened that a caveman found corn, that by chance, just decide to pop into popcorn?

It’s practically at forming mazes also challenges evolution, as why did natural selection choose to make it good for maze building.

Corn is only explained by an intelligent design, God, who gave us corn for food, specifically designed for us.

When you say Archaeopteryx is “just a bird” what is your definition of bird.

Do you draw the line at Neornithes, if so you have to explain why Archaeopteryx is just a bird, but it lacks all putative characteristics of Neornithes.

You can’t just replace Avialae with Neornithes (logically) as this fails to separate Archaeopteryx from dinosaur and group it with birds.

Assemble a putative suite of characteristics that groups Archaeopteryx with other birds to your definition, and I’ll accept that Archaeopteryx is just a bird. If you want to, take a crack at separated Archaeopteryx from other theropods, but no Creationist has succeeded in this.

Creationists that debate is this sub have an inadequate definition of kind. u/Old-Watercress6513 is a rare example of this, but his definition is parroted from other Creationists, which is,” If two animals can interbreed and produce fertile offspring, they’re in the same kind.”

This fails to account for modern speciation events in the modern world, taken London Underground mosquitoes or Apple Maggot flies. They’re slowly, but definitely surely splitting from their ancestral species.

Let’s say I’m just assuming those two species are going to become distinct species that won’t interbreed with the ancestral species.

It still doesn’t get any better for them, as Tragopogon mirus and miscellus, commonly known as goatsbeard plants, can only produce infertile hybrids with other species. Polyploidy is the cause behind instantaneous speciation events regarding plants, causing an entire set of chromosome to duplicated once or more. When the polyploidy plant tries to reproduce with its diploid cousins, it only produces sterile hybrids that can’t produce functional gametes.

Animals all across the world that can’t interbreed are lumped into the same kind by Creationists. Most of Passeroidea can’t interbreed, but Cognitum comes to rescue. Gray Wolves cannot interbreed with maned wolves, bush dogs, short eared dogs, bat eared foxes, painted dogs, or wolves, yet they all in the same kind. Not all Giraffids, Equines, Camelids, Cervids, etc can interbreed, producing fertile offspring, but why are they still in the same kind?

Any proposed definition of kind has to be able to meet 2. criteria.

1. A reason or reasons why you grouped these animals into a kind.

2. It has to be objectively verifiable.

It’s a common Creationist argument that dinosaurs never had feathers, and they’re either collagen fibers or the dinosaur is actually a bird.

The center of this debate is Sinosauropteryx, a small Compsognathid found in Liaonang, China. It sports a coat of ginger plumage that forms a raccoon band on its face. One reason this isn’t collagen are melanosomes that electron microscopes have identified in the feathers. Collagen cannot and hasn’t ever posses imbedded melanosomes.

If you want an unambiguous dinosaur with a rachis, Ornithomimus has them on its arms. You can’t dismiss it as collagen because collagen can’t take the shape of a rachis, and its morphology places it as a non avian dinosaur.

I've referenced this topic in previous posts, where different writers for AiG display their ignorance of the subject.

Between calling Protocetus a Pinniped or birds only have a pisiform, you can see how bad it is.

However, it also leads to hilarious contradicting opinions on transitional forms like Acanthostega or Homo habilis.

The concept of uniquely created kinds is challenged by morphology, which is why this happens, for there is no way to separate birds from dinosaurs, humans from apes, or whales from ungulates. transitions in the fossil record demonstrate gradual morphologic change, instead of distinct groups unrelated to anything else.

What exactly, if there is one individual thing ,convinced you of evolution?

In my case, it was learning there is no real boundary between micro and macroevolution, and it has been observed in the form of speciation.

Creationists use the ad hoc explanation of a common designer when diagnostic similarities are shared between “kinds”.

While this might make sense for some features like arms or a heart, ERVs repurposed for biological functions can only be explained through common ancestry.

The best example is the Arc gene, derived from an Endogenous Retrovirus at around the evolution of Tetrapods. Without the Arc gene you wouldn’t be able to hold on to memories for long periods of time.

Here is a catch-22 for a Creationist.

Either all of the tetrapod kinds got the exact same ERV to develop the Arc gene, or God made this gene out of an ERV, to give the appearance of common ancestry.

While the terrariums are nice, eventually to build more realistic and less headache inducing habitats, aviaries are needed.

Potential species that can could come with this in an update or DLC I think should focus on Avialans for their diversity and smaller pterosaurs and ambiguous clades.

Avialans:

Jeholornis
Ichthyornis
Confuciusornis
Anchiornis

Pterosaurs:
Pterodactylus
Anurognathus
Preondactylus

Other:
Weigeltisaurs
Rahonavis
Onychonycteris

I personally think it would be cool to see Australopithecines, but it could seem cruel to some people, so what’s your opinion?

Gigantopithecus or Dryopithecus could be substitutes if Australopiths or Paranthropiths are out of the question.

The question isn’t literal, but it’s definitely needed for non Christians in Texas.

Thanks to the religious right, Texas and another states have made it impossible to live without Christian proselytism.

Our nation was founded by people who loved God, but on secular principles of a separation of church and state and no government branded religion.

To proponents of scriptures in schools(my nick name for it)
It’s for an understanding of how America was founded on “Biblical” principles.

Last time I checked wizardry, rape, human sacrifice, slavery, genocide, torture, abortion, necromancy, and bigotry isn’t in the constitution.

Of course the schools don’t teach that or take it as elder mythology, that would undermine their pipeline of future voters.

Indoctrinating children into Christian Nationalism is the real goal of this push, to secure power by funding and supporting religious extremism and delusion.

If the global flood ended around their supposed time, there should be an evident mass migration from Turkey. All kinds would appear first in Turkey as they migrated further out.

Paleontology reveals the complete opposite of this hypothesis, with Turkey actually being a paleontological desert. None of the supposed kinds like Proboscideans or Canidae.

The most glaring biogeographical own of this model are Marsupials and other Metatherians. This clade first appears in North American rock, but it gets even worse. Their migration is a grueling, tedious process, with the journey covering North America, South America, Antarctica, Australia, and a few groups in Indonesia.

At no point did Metatherians live in or migrate to Turkey.

I could probably make a book out of biogeographical issues with AiG’s post flood model, but South American fauna would get most of the attention.

I’m sure this is why AiG ignores post-flood geography like Gorilla do with Chameleons. There is no reason why Meridiungulata, terror birds, Xenarthra, or Sebecidae only appear in South America if the Ark landed in Turkey.

He was racist, recounted evolution, thought whales evolved from bears, the evolution of eyes was impossible, he was atheist when he published On the Origin of Species, wanted to attack Christianity, is the prophet of evolution, and evolution or uniformity made him atheist are a few I can name off the top of my head.

Imagine if we did this to Ken Ham, it would be all about how evolutionists are liars who hate Christianity.

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