Is anyone interested in a Voltron Avatar (James Cameron) AU roleplay that we turn into fanfiction together? I will properly add you as a collaborator on AO3, and you can post the story on your account if you wish.

I'm aware this is possibly a niche idea, but I'm looking for a roleplay partner for a Voltron Avatar AU. I don't know why, i just think these two franchises are like mustard on watermelon. Sounds fucking weird, until you try it.

The plot will be surrounding the first James Cameron Avatar movie, with changes you or I agree on (I'm open to quite a lot. If I suggest we do something, but you prefer to do a U–turn idea, I'll role with it. Same vice versa. Or I'm open to compromises). If our Rp ends, we'll continue with the plot of The Way of Water if you'd like to stick around. I'd prefer to roleplay on discord but if you have another preferred way to DM, let me know.

Semi–literate is good. Preferred one or two paragraph responses (if you can do more, that's cool. Please know when I'm in a 'down' mood, I will most likely give one paragraph responses, but still keep engaging). Please at least be 18 or over.

Preferred role sets:

Matt Holt will take Jake Sully's place.

Grace will be swapped with Colleen. (We can change Kiri's origin)

Norm replaced by Lance.

Max replaced by Hunk.

Quaritch remains the same (though if you have a voltron character in mind to swap with him, we can do that).

Lyle Weinfleet remains the same (can change if wanted).

Tsu'tey is replaced with Lotor.

Neytiri will be replaced with my OC (I will provide details of said OC in dm or comments).

Your oc(s) are welcomed. As many as you wish to have.

If your familiar with Frontiers of Pandora, characters from it will be involved (unless you aren't familiar with it).

We can work out in dm's who controls which Canon characters. Full control of Oc(s) will remain with the creator of said Oc(s).

Keith, Pidge and Shiro are up in the air to what roles we give them. (Klance is allowed but if you don't want it, we don't have to add it).

Omatikaya will be replaced with Galra.

There will be a non traditional A/B/O system with the Na'vi in this (As in, it won't be a social commentary on society, nor used as like a 'concrete law'. It'll just be part of the world building. I can go in more detail in comments).

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 3 days ago

Now I see why these two are a popular ship

Finished the base game and started Fire and Ash (couldn't afford the other DLCs so I just watched YouTube walk throughs to get caught up).

I only just got past the 'Tamtey gets taken' part of the DLC, and these two have me acting like my middle school self, kicking my feet and just giggling every time they taunt or interact with one another. It's just too hard not to ship; for me at least.

I understand the other ships, I know there's people who like to keep Rimu (Rinu? I'm referring to the woman in the comics who tended to So'lek when he was injured). But, like, how can I not swoon when I see these two try and out race one another? Or when Tamtey admits they still have one of So'lek's weapons and he says "You can keep it" WHAT was with that tone, sir??? Did you really have to make that sound as flirty as it did.

They're just so cute to watch together. Gods did I hate when he tried to reach for them and all he got was their song cord. That was heartbreaking.

u/Character_Panda_9125 — 4 days ago

When you finish the game, are you allowed to just dick around?

I know you can ignore side missions and even ignore main story missions and just explore throughout the game, this just popped into my head because I'm near the end.

I've still only dipped my toe into open world games. When you complete the whole game, can you just do whatever you want, wherever you want afterwards? Or would you have to start the game all over?

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 4 days ago
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If you watch these movies all together. These three mfs morph into the same fucking person.

If you have no idea who the blonde is, That's the main characters Zak from Fern Gully.

The obvious answer as to why these characters feel like the same person, is of course that was the character tropes that they were built from. 'Guy with pure heart wins the girl', which is just a spin of the older 'prince charming' (not a dig. I like both tropes when they're used well).

But I'm serious, if you watch Fern Gully and then immediately Avatar. Or Fern Gully then A2, you feel like your just watching the smarter versions of Zak and it's so fucking funny, in a way. (The edible i took may just be kicking in)

u/Character_Panda_9125 — 25 days ago
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Am I high, or was Sadie meant to be a Homage to Calamity Jane?

Found this from DeadWood (supposedly where Calamity Jane was born/died in. I only say supposedly because a lot of fact and fiction about this lady has been jumbled up)

u/Character_Panda_9125 — 1 month ago
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I feel this will be another shot in the dart, but here goes: Anyone interested in a Voltron Avatar AU roleplay?

I'm aware this is possibly a niche idea, but I'm looking for a roleplay partner for a Voltron Avatar AU. I don't know why, i just think these two franchises are like mustard on watermelon. Sounds fucking weird, until you try it.

The plot will be surrounding the first James Cameron Avatar movie, with changes you or I agree on (I'm open to quite a lot, this will not be a heavily guided rp. If I suggest we do something, but you prefer to do a U–turn idea, I'll role with it. Or I'm open to compromises). If our Rp ends, we'll continue with the plot of The Way of Water if you'd like to stick around. I'd prefer to roleplay on discord, or Tumblr (not reddit. I don't like their chat style). If you have another preferred way to DM, let me know. I will also want to turn our Rp into a fanfic on AO3 and will properly @ you in the description/name you as a collaborator with whatever handle/name you prefer. (I think AO3 has a button to name collaborators now)

Semi–literate is good. Preferred one or two paragraph responses (if you can do more, that's cool. Please know when I'm in a 'down' mood, I will most likely give one paragraph responses, but still keep engaging). Please at least be 18 or over.

Preferred role sets:

Matt Holt will take Jake Sully's place.

Grace will be swapped with Colleen.

Norm replaced by Lance.

Max replaced by Hunk.

Quaritch remains the same (though if you have a voltron character in mind to swap with him, we can do that).

Lyle Weinfleet remains the same (can change if wanted).

Tsu'tey is replaced with Lotor.

Neytiri will be replaced with my OC (I will provide details of said OC in dm).

Your oc(s) are welcomed.

If your familiar with Frontiers of Pandora, characters from it will be involved (unless you aren't familiar with it).

We can work out in dm's who controls which Canon characters.

Full control of Oc(s) will remain with the creator of said Oc(s).

Keith, Pidge and Shiro are up in the air to what roles we give them. (Klance is allowed).

Omatikaya will be replaced with Galra.

There will be a non traditional A/B/O system with the Na'vi in this (As in, it won't be a social commentary on society, nor used as like a 'concrete law'. It'll just be part of the world building. But Alpha aggression, heats, and male omegas will be involved).

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 1 month ago
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While this was a really cool scene for these characters. I am still shocked Jake was comfortable enough to sleep next to Quaritch and Weinfleet

Now, I don't actually think Quaritch or Weinfleet would've done anything to the kids. But I'm also not the one who's son died by one man's orders, and the other's action.

I was fully expecting to see Jake, or at least one of the kids a little wobbly from sleep deprivation when Neytiri and Tarsem came to get them. Because they didn't just spend the night sleeping next to two RDA soldiers. They spent the night sleeping next to the two people directly responsible for Neteyam.

Like I said, I don't think Weinfleet or Quaritch would've been dumb enough to kill or take one of the kids. They were genuinely lost just like the Sullys were, and they were being hunted by a clan they knew nothing about. Taking cheap shots at each other would've just guaranteed a even bigger mess they had no time for. I'm just surprised nobody had a trauma response by being in such a vulnerable situation with those two specifically. Lo'ak saw Weinfleet shooting at him and his brother as they escaped (he didn't see him get shot, but I'm sure he remembers the previous bullets flying past them. All coming from Prager and Weinfleet). It would've been a little cool to see even small instances where Lo'ak stands closer to Jake cause he didn't trust Quaritch or Weinfleet.

Jake does fall asleep in kind of a uncomfortable sitting/slouching pose against a log, so maybe that's meant to indicate that he never dropped his guard and just dosed off a hour before Neytiri showed up, or something. I don't know. Maybe I'm just looking too deep into scenes, but I just thought this was interesting.

u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago
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Im gonna come clean. But I also have a question.

I used AI to write my first fic. It was the 'Old scars can lead to new growth'. It wasn't a popular fic, I didn't even have one kudos. Just 23 hits. But I'm acknowledging it and I have deleted the fic now. Which leads to my question.

Instead of relying on AI, I want to go back to role-playing with actual people. I know there's a few discord chats available and one person has made a new site. I want to ask if anyone would be interested in the idea I have.

It's a rewrite of Avatar where we change scenes to how we think would be better if done with This idea, or that idea. And the characters such as Jake, Norm, Max, Trudy, Grace, and Tsu'tey are replaced with Voltron: Legendary Defender characters. Neytiri is replaced with my OC. I just think these two franchises can mix well in a story. If your not familiar with Voltron, I can play those characters and you can play the ones such as the RDA or your own OCs as well. Or, if you are familiar with the other source then we can work something out.

After discussion with the fanfiction community, I do see that I need to work my way out of using AI and go back to role-playing. It's better for the environment and more people will seem to enjoy it and it is better all around.

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago
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I had a real fucked thought about this scene when re-watching it

We all wonder if Quaritch did actually kill the Tsahìk of this village since there's a Na'vi in the spirit realm in A3 that kind of looks like her. But a thought that occurred to me was,

"Were there babies/toddlers in their beds when they burned the maruis?"

There's definitely the plausibility that a Na'vi managed to get the children to safety when they first saw the Sea Dragon approaching. Cause the village did have a moment to see the sea dragon in the distance, realize the 'demon ship' was coming and so then someone went and rounded up the babies and toddlers and other children.

I think this thought just popped into my head when seeing how horrified the Na'vi were at the sight of their homes being burned. Like, that scene makes you understand just how much of a travesty that was. And it kinda makes the brain start working to understand "They just lost memories inside those maruis. They lost food rations, tools, supplies. Children just lost toys that were probably really special (cause isn't every toy made by the parent/sibling/child themselves?)." And for some reason my mind came up with "I didn't see one baby near any adult. What if they were stuck in their cradles?"

u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago
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This is more nitpicky than a actual complaint. But does anyone feel the three laws of Eywa are *too* simplistic for what they represent?

I understand that:

  1. Eywa's laws are not meant to be interpreted like how a Mormon would interpret the 10 commandments. A Na'vi won't get struck down by Eywa herself if they break these rules, they're meant to just be a general guideline.

  2. These laws aren't meant to be honored to the T and do have wiggle room with loopholes.

But they're still really simplistic in what they're supposed to actually represent. Like, these rules are meant to be a guideline for Na'vi to know how to live with Pandora, not conquer and live on it. It's meant to help understand how to live a balanced life with everything. But, like, making wheels didn't lead to mass deforestation. Making to much lead to that imbalance.

I feel like these rules could make a little more sense if they were more specific. Like, instead of 'no Na'vi shall harvest ore' wouldn't "Na'vi only harvest what they need and no more" or "A Na'vi can not harvest to the point of scarcity or imbalance amongst Pandora". That would still prevent things like mass deforestation and still maintain balance if the Na'vi only used, like, older and fully aged trees, or dead trees. Or they only took a certain amount of branches but left saplings, new growth and the roots of trees completely alone. And they still wouldn't be able to touch unobtanium because to get to certain pockets of it, you would start having the floating mountains tipping and/or smashing into one another. That'd be imbalance, but not if you only took what you absolutely needed from a tree.

Do you guys get what I mean here? Or am I the one missing something?

u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago
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Fellow army dogs/Army brats. How do y'all like the depiction of the military in these movies?

I feel like whether your a first responder, or part of the military shows and movies are always gonna be a hit or miss. They always seem to get some things right and a lot of things wrong (or vice versa where they get the important stuff right, but smaller details are missed). But where does Avatar stand with you? Like what parts of the military/being a soldier do you feel they get right on the money, and others it's "Eh, could've done a bit better" ? Do you feel it represents the Marines well?

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago
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Rough draft of my avatar fanfic. Made by me @Fandom_Ghost_Writer on AO3

(This is now posted to AO3. I made no changes but chapter 2 will be more lengthy)

Year, 2148.

The noise of bustling maglev rail trains mixed with crowds of people walking from destination to destination, as the city continued its endless rat race echoed against the apartment window. Fresh air was a joke, as everyone had to wear a mask or wait until the industrial purifiers leveled out the toxic fumes that floated throughout the overcrowded city. This was why Matt silently believed he died in Venezuela, and what returned home was a soulless husk going through the motions of survival. It was hard enough to feel hopeful in this world with two good legs, it felt like the universe was just taking the piss by confining him to a chair, indefinitely. Had it not been for his mom and sister's support after their father's funeral, Matt would've followed the man to the grave.

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Pidge had come over to help Matt find a new apartment after the third eviction notice had shown up. They sat together on the uneven sofa as Pidge looked through his finances, "Holy shit, how do you even get that far in the negatives?!" Her eyebrows nearly disappeared into her hair line as she looked at each bank statement. It was alarming, not only by what he spent, but Matt was usually far more responsible than this. It made her realize just how far from grace her brother had fallen after the war.

Matt grumbled at his sister's nagging, slouching deeper into the rough threadbare cushions. His eyes were fixed on the flickering holographic screen of the outdated television mounted on the wall, showing yet another advertisement for the RDA's upcoming Pandora colonization excursion. "Veteran benefits don't exactly cover luxury living."

Pidge shoved the tablet in his face, the screen glowing with rows of red numbers. "This isn't luxury living, Matthew! This is 'I-can't-afford-ramen' living. Look! Three months behind on rent, utilities about to be cut, and you still have that ridiculous subscription to the Pandora wildlife feed."

Matt swatted the tablet away, a flicker of defensiveness in his tired eyes. "It's educational. Mom's work is important."

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"Mom's work is on another goddamn moon, Matt! A moon that, by the time we get any real news, she'll be six years older!" Pidge's voice cracked with a mixture of frustration and worry. She ran a hand through her short-cropped hair, a nervous habit she'd picked up from their father. "Look, I'm not trying to be a jerk. I–…We’re all scared for you. This place is a pit. The landlord's a slumlord; I'm surprised you still have your teeth for how long you've been skipping out on rent. You can't keep living like this, if you can even call this living.” She jested to the cracks in the drywall and what looked like the start of black mold in the ceiling.

"I don't need a handout, Pidge." Matt's voice was strained as he tried to defend himself again.

"It's not a handout, it's a leg up! A real one!" Pidge leaned forward, her eyes earnest. "Listen, I've been talking to Mom's old contacts at RDA. They're ramping up the Avatar Program. They need support personnel, technicians, hell, even door gunners for the security teams. The pay is insane. Sign-on bonuses that could wipe this debt and then some. And...They have the best medical system in the company."

Matt's attention seemed to click at what she was hinting at. His gaze drifted from the flickering ad—now showing sweeping vistas of Pandora's floating mountains—down to the lifeless, blanket-covered lumps that were his legs. "Enough to cover a spine surgery?”

Pidge’s expression softened, a flicker of hope breaking through her exasperation. She took in a deep sigh, choosing her words carefully. “More than enough. The med-evac package alone covers full reconstructive surgery, neural mapping; the works. And that’s before hazard pay.” She scooted closer, lowering her voice as if the walls themselves might steal the opportunity. “They’re desperate for people who can handle pressure, Matt. Your service record... it’s still gold. They’d snatch you up.” She watched his face, seeing the conflict warring behind his hazel eyes—the lure of a second chance battling with the bitter taste of depending on the very system that had chewed him up and spat him out. The ad on the screen transitioned to a slow-motion shot of a Na’vi avatar, tall and blue and effortlessly graceful, leaping through a bioluminescent forest. Its movements were fluid, powerful. Free.

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“Six years in cryo,” Matt murmured, his eyes not leaving the screen. “I’d wake up and Mom would be... what, fifty? You’d be...”

“I’ll be fine,” Pidge cut in, her voice firm. “I’ve got my own path here. But you... you can’t spend the rest of your life in this chair, staring at a screen. You deserve to walk again. To run. It's depressing as hell seeing you just waste away like this.” She reached out and placed a hand over his, her grip tight. “It’s not a hand out, Matt. It’s choosing to fight on a different battlefield.”

The apartment felt smaller then, the stale air thicker. The distant, constant rumble of the maglev seemed to sync with the pounding in his temples. He looked from his sister’s determined face to his own paralyzed legs, then back to the vivid, impossible world glowing on the television. A world where his mother was already building bridges with the RDA. A world that might just have a place for a broken marine.

“What do I have to do?” he finally asked, the words tasting like ash and something dangerously close to hope on his tongue.

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Deep in the Pandoran rainforest,

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The village was alive with children playing in and around Hometree. The hunting party had already returned with two Hexapedes, giving them and the cooks some extra work at the cooking station. Maki was at the fire, cutting some shell fruit to make a snack for herself, when she felt a pair of arms wrap around her waist. She didn't have to turn around to know it was Lotor, her betrothed. While their union was more for necessity rather than desire, they still made the effort of getting along. "The hunt was good?" She asked with a purr in her tone as she leaned into his warmth.

A low, pleased rumble vibrated from Lotor's chest against her back. His arms tightened around her hips, possessive but not unkind. "The herd was plentiful. Eywa provides." He nuzzled the space between her neck and shoulder, where her bioluminescent freckles glowed a soft violet in the dappled firelight. "It will be a good feast tonight." He released her and stepped around to her side, his tall, lithe form casting a long shadow next to her own. His yellow eyes, sharp and intelligent, watched as she sliced the pale, juicy flesh of the shell fruit. "You are quiet today, Ma’Maki. Your mind is elsewhere." It wasn't an accusation, merely an observation. Lotor knew her moods, even if he didn't always understand their source.

One of the younger hunters, a beta named Thace, passed by with a haunch of meat slung over his shoulder. He gave Lotor a respectful nod, but his gaze lingered on Maki for a half-second too long. A flicker of sympathy in his eyes before he moved on. The whole clan knew of her struggles, the silent grief of empty nests and lost chances. It hung around her like a scent only they could detect. And it was beginning to feel like a suffocating blanket for the young Tsakarem.

Maki finished her slice and offered a piece to Lotor on the flat of her blade. "My mind is with the winds," she said, "They have been restless. Carrying strange scents from the direction of the Sky People's metal nest." She took a bite of her own fruit, the sweet-tart juice bursting on her tongue. "Do you think they will ever leave, Lotor?”

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Lotor accepted the fruit, his fingers brushing hers as he took it. He chewed thoughtfully, his gaze drifting toward the distance, where the jagged silhouette of Hell's Gate's pollution was just visible through the leaves.

"They are like a rot in a strong tree," he said, his voice low. "They do not leave. They burrow deeper. My father speaks of it often." He looked back at her, "They have killed before. They will kill again if we let them. Krolia's patience is a strength, but it may also be a double–edged blade." He tossed the fruit core into the fire, where it hissed and sparked. The sound made a nearby group of children shriek with laughter as they chased a trio of fan lizards. The normalcy of the scene clashed with the tension in his words.

"If I see a dreamwalker, I will end it with my bow before it gets the chance to strike," Maki declared.

Lotor's expression shifted from distant concern to something sharper, more immediate. He gave a sharp twitch of his tail, "You speak of killing a dreamwalker as if it were a viperwolf, But its body is not its own. It is a shell, piloted from afar. To kill it is to... inconvenience a Sky Person. It does not bring true death. Only a headache. More for us than them,"

"They are the headache," Maki argued. "They bring loud noises that scare the children. And the animals are no fans of them; did you see they pushed an entire Thanator nest closer to our borders? They bring death without even realizing or acknowledging," her tone sounded like she was describing a clan of annoying stingflies that had invaded. "Pests. All of them."

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"You sound more restless than angry, Ma'Maki" Lotor nuzzled against her nape once again, "Perhaps we can go and look for some horned Teylu to settle your restlessness? It's been a minute since we've had time alone."

Maki considered the offer, "Well, you have been quite busy with the hunters. It's hard to drag you away when I see how much you're needed by them" She teased. Though, even she couldn't deny Hometree had made her restless after the last season. Her mother wanted to keep her close so she could 'keep her body and mind strong', but while good intentioned, the concern had made her feel like a Ikran with clipped wings. "I have been craving some glazed fruit. But the direhorses have drunk the last of the pitcher plants near the tree" Her feet picked up into a sprint towards the Ikran landing, "surely my big and strong Alpha will fetch some for me~? I cannot do everything myself.”

The playful tease in her voice was a familiar song, one that usually softened the hard edges of his focus. He let out a short, amused huff, the tension in his shoulders easing slightly as he watched her sprint away from him, "You wish to see if my hunting skills extend to fetching nectar for a demanding mate?" he called after her, a rare, genuine grin touching his lips. It was a welcome distraction from thoughts of war and intruders. He didn't follow her immediately. Instead, his gaze swept over the village once more. Lingering on the cooking fires, the weavers at their looms, the children. This was what they were protecting. This simple, profound peace—Her peace. after so much pain, was the last thing they had to protect. With a final glance, he turned and loped after her toward the Ikran landing, his longer strides quickly closing the distance. His own ikran, a fierce male with scarred wing-leather named Vrek, let out a low croon as he approached. Lotor ran a hand along the creature's neck, feeling the powerful muscles coil beneath his touch.

"We go on a simple errand, brother," he murmured to the beast. "To fetch sweetness for a restless heart." He mounted Vrek with practiced ease, securing his queue to the neural interface. As the bond snapped into place, the world sharpened—the scents of the forest multiplied, the faintest air currents became clear paths. He looked down at Maki, who was securing her pack to Seze's saddle. "The pitcher plants near the Singing Stones are always full. If we are quick, we can be back before the feast preparations truly begin. And perhaps... we can find a quiet pool along the way." His voice dropped, taking on a more intimate tone. "Away from listening ears and watchful eyes."

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Maki met his offer with a playful grin, “Let us fly, then~”

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago
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Could the 'no cultural impact' criticism ring true, for nerotypical people/those who are able-bodied (no ableist comments. My question is for research and genuine curiosity on the topic)

I've been watching some critiques on Avatar recently, and honestly, not all of them are bad. There is some pretty good takes from the movie commentary corner, when they're not just punching down for the sake of hating the new biggest thing. But a common critique I'm sure we've all heard is:

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Avatar has no cultural impact.

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And the way I've seen some people describe it is there's nothing memorable to quote. There's no memes. They aren't milking the series. We've heard it all, but this subreddit is a foil to that notion. Yeah, this fandom is kind of small. It's definitely not the size that Supernatural was, or the size Marvel fans, both casual and diehards is. But as many fans have also said "not everything needs to be a endless franchise" (your story also turns soulless when you don't let shit breath. Cameron honestly teeters thinly on the tightrope with that very thing.)

But while I've seen these videos discussing this, there are comments (few but they do exist) that often go "Hey, I kinda really liked the world and thats why I stuck with it" and their further comments mention they're on the spectrum. Or "I could resonate with Jake Sully as someone who lives with disabilities" and thats where this question sparked "Is this more for a nerodivergent audience/people who feel boxed in by reality?"

I'm on the spectrum myself. First diagnosed with ADHD, around the time doctors oh so loved giving us Adderall and then handing us to our parents like "its your fucking problem now. Come back next month". Now newer (and more expensive and drawn out) tests are leaning more to being on the autism spectrum. I'm also someone who basically lived in hospitals since I was 6 because they discovered a birth defect lead to continuous bladder issues. Which then turned into kidney failure. So needless to say, I have been "hammered on the anvil of life" as Jake put it in A1. And I wondered if there's something that we all collectively enjoy about this movie, compared to the general nerotypical crowds. Or able-bodied crowds.

And this isn't to exclude nerotypical fans or able-bodied fans. If your nerotypical and find interest in this post, comment what keeps you interested? Ive heard a handful of people say some people like avatar "cause it's a digital vacation" and I can see it. I'm just curious about it as a collective. Like nerodivergent and nerotypical brains physically and scientifically are different, so maybe this is a genuine distinction for why some fans hyperfixate on it, and others just yawn through half of it.

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago

To a extent, I see the problem. But I still want outside perspective for this. The plot is repetitive, but how can you say the characters are bland in regards to James Cameron's Avatar?

Here are points I understand and kind of agree on:

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  1. A1 played too much with white savorism. You did not need to have the white guy become a legendary symbol AND the clan leader. You could have made your alien race a little more advanced, Jim. And Tsu'tey didn't really need to die, Neytiri's father's death was impactful enough.

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  1. The plot is repetitive. Not just because it is beat for beat, but it's also because of the story James went with. He's trying to realistically depict a family who once had all the power, become defenseless and have to run. It does make sense to kidnap the kids as a incentive to lure the parents in, but the reason why no one wants to see the realistic plays for this is because it will always turn repetitive.

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But the one thing I can't fully agree on is "the characters are bland". I think a better way to call out the character issue is saying "James fleshes his characters out realistically, but falls in a pit with pacing." The pacing absolutely is a issue, not just the characters.

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Jim didn't write a trope on two legs or a commentary with a personality, his characters exist as people in their world. Jim built Pandora realistically and beautifully, but did the exact same with his characters and didn't realize 'Oh shit, three hours isn't enough to show both'. The world distracts you too much from the characters. Another bullet to his own foot is how much has to be cut.

The deleted scenes of Avatar portray a completely different story to the final cut. There's more context that helps convey that Jake Sully lived a depressing life on earth. He lived in a small ass apartment, he could do entertaining tricks but never seemed to maintain a actual friend group. And the death of his brother is the final nail in his coffin. When Grace sarcastically says "So you just thought you'd go to the most dangerous environment, despite no training, just to see how it works out?" The intro I just described makes you realize "Yeah, it's because he has nothing back home". Jake didn't say 'fuck you' to humanity just for a piece of blue ass, he did it because humanity evicted him long before he finally clocked out. He was not living, he was surviving on earth. It was like seeing a scarlet macaw being forced to live in a canary cage.

But that is all cut from the final release. So you don't get that glimpse into why Jake would throw his whole life away for a alien species. You don't get to understand that it wasn't humanity vs aliens, it was the RDA vs life. The humans are not evil in Avatar. Corporations that burn through money just to make things bigger, but not exactly better, was the real antagonist of this film. But we cut so much screen time of the 'good humans' and why they're protecting Pandora, that I can see how a final release makes you think it's more simple than it actually is. Now, things like this get fleshed out in the comics and the game. But that's also the exact issue. To further understand the story, a viewer has to find ways to access the rest. The video game is no issue as there are silent walk-throughs that gives you all the cutscenes and you can watch it just like a movie on YouTube, but the comics aren't that easy to find. Yeah, you can sail the high seas, but it takes dedication to the story to do that. Some fans of Avatar are fans of it because it's like a digital vacation. Some fans just don't care about the 'full picture', for them it is enough to just be 'the cool blue aliens movie'. And thats 1000% valid. I'm simply pointing out that you can't be so reliant on other sources to tell your story.

Honestly, I think Jim should've made the first movie, waited as long as he did, and then turn the second and third movies into a TV series. Or, it all should've just been a book/comic series. The world and characters just have too many layers for a movie franchise.

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago
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How much is a AU supposed to deviate from the original? Or do you prefer when some things stay the same to the movies?

Been writing this AU for weeks now and I got to the questions: "Do I change the kids names? How much should I keep the same?" And "If I keep these things the same, will the story still be interesting?"

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Currently what I have changed is Jake and Neytiri, they'll be replaced by a character named Matt and one of my OC's. My OC takes Spider in as one of their own children (cause the movies are already exploring how massive trauma can cause blind hatred. I thought it'd be cool to see a flipped version of the situation), and So'lek is more involved with the clan. I also changed Omatikaya to Galra, because this is a Voltron AU I'm doing. And some background characters like Norm, Max, Grace (who I'm keeping alive), Tsu'tey, Mo'at, and Trudy will be changed to other Voltron characters. Oh, and I'm gonna make the clan have little snippets of mentioning the Sarentu and the Kame'tire, and everything involving that. Because in Avatar canon, the Sarentu are like distant cousins of the Omatikaya. I feel like their disappearance and the tragedy that happened should be brought up at least once or twice by their related clan. And this will have Omegaverse dynamics.

But what I've kept the same is Quaritch and his whole personality, including his recoms journey. The RDA and their motives, the plot to all the movies with just the changes I already mentioned, and I could not think of better names for the Sully kids.

My question really boils down to "are the changes already enough? Or should I make the other things more original/different?" I wanna target both Avatar and Voltron fans with my story, which is made easier by just asking what you guys would prefer in the first place, if this fic interests you.

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago
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Treat this post like show and tell. What's your favorite thing about Pandora/Na'vi? Be as basic or as niche as you want. Comments stay positive/respectful.

I'm in a bad mood so I'm gonna smother it by forcing myself to make a positive post. This was all I could think of.

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So the Movies, Games (even the 09 game if you know it), art books, any any other media that tells you about Pandora/lets you explore it are on the table. Doesn't matter if it's Canon or non Canon, show off or mini–rant about something on Pandora or something about the Na'vi that's your favorite/intrigues you.

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For me, it's the cooking and the food. I love how the fruit and the meals look like in the game and for two days I've been drawing the food from this game, it has me that hard in a chokehold. Just look at how detailed these things are, Kin's cheese look like it'd be perfect to pair with a Spartan fruit. I'd be in culinary heaven if I were Na'vi.

u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago
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I have a art question. Basically, how much shit can you load down on a direhorse/ikran before it started causing problems?

Here are some references for different poses I might try. Basically I need to know, where on a Ikran could you load down with pots/baskets/other storage? Without the wings constantly slapping against it? Can you hang things from their neck without it weighing them down too much/harming them? Can you hang things from their tails or would that create some issue with flying/hurt the tail?

Same question for the Direhorse. I understand the back, behind where a Na'vi sits would be the obvious answer. But if you were to hitch a sled to the back of them, where would the ropes need to attach to? Can you hang smaller jugs and pouches from their neck?

I know this is all fiction so technically I can do whatever I want, but I'm the type of person where everything has to make logical sense otherwise I'll hate whatever it is. It also makes things easier for me if I can map out the little details like this before I start something.

u/Character_Panda_9125 — 2 months ago
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It is concerning, the way some fans talk about the female characters.

There has been lots of discussions about Varang and Quaritch, is Varang gonna have a kid, are male Navi and female Navi (___). Yada, yada, yada. But it's the way these topics are talked about that's concerning.

Firstly, Varang. Now I don't really care if this woman has a kid or not. If she does, I'll find it interesting, if she doesn't then her character will still be interesting. There are some valid complaints I've heard to counter this theory, such as it would sideline her and/or Quaritch. Or the kid will be sidelined kinda like Tuk, and it'd be pointless. That's pretty decently fair as a counter because, yeah of course the kid would be sidelined. 8 year olds are practically useless in a war, unless you use them as hostages and we already exhausted that plot point 3 times. And Varang did get a little sidelined after she met Quaritch, but that's not misogyny, that's just what happens when you keep trying to shove a fuck–ton of content into two 3 hour movies. Tsireya also got sidelined, Ronal got sidelined. Norm is practically glued to the bench with how underdeveloped he is, and Rotxo is right there with him. Max, the guy who broke Jake out who i can never remember the name of. This is not specific to the female characters, this is Cameron just introducing too much shit without the adequate pacing for it all.

And I know someone will argue with "But not all the women need to have kids". If it constantly went nowhere and was only used to make the character have something to do when the plot gets weak, this would be a fair complaint. But the way Cameron uses the parenthood tropes shows that he's doing it to fall in line with the overarching theme and plot. Do all our main men have to be fathers? I never hear that point brought up, nor the point as to how Spider kinda came from fucking nowhere as a character. If we also *only* look at the main men in the movies (Jake, Tonowari, Quaritch), they follow the same pattern as the main women (Neytiri, Ronal, Varang). Pop a kid out, it gives you a reason to fight, rinse repeat. But I'm sure if I just left it at that and didn't mention the overall theme for *why* that's their drive, people would be on my ass. Rightfully so, because you don't get to just highlight part of a truth, and redact everything else.

These stories start with the same message and end with the same message. It starts with longing to feel important/a new chance, dreading the threat looming over, working to combat the threat, rinse and repeat. And the end is always Rebirth, hope for the new to heal the old, changes over the horizon, uncertainty. That's why it always ends on a eye shot (the longer versions do at least). Children represent this in family and Cameron is clearly a romantic and he expresses that through relationships and the family trope. The relationships often parallel each other and are meant to represent opposite ends of the same trope. Jake and Neytiri represent growth through their love, strength in unity, fighting for someone other than yourself. While Varang and Quaritch represent destruction, lustful infatuation that grows into something (label it however you see fit), wanting domination and control to gain power for yourself. I can't definitively claim what Tonowari and Ronal represent, feel free to give your interpretation in the comments.

Tropes are not inherently bad, or inherently good. They're simply just the skeleton of the story. Now you can give that skeleton a bad spine by twisting tropes into bad meanings/representation and the story falls apart. Or you can use it as a guide for what other parts of the body will look like. Love triangles are not a inherently bad trope, but Twilight was a bad love triangle because Bella as a character did not exist outside of Jacob or Edward. Her choices were reliant on them. Her wants/aspirations revolved around them. She had no individuality. That is not the issue with any of James Cameron's women. Even Rose from Titanic had aspirations outside of the men she was around. She was her own person, Jack just complimented her character and showed her the doorway to those aspirations. And its the same for the women of Avatar, but y'all twist it a lot by applying gender to situations that are SO much more than just what the character in focus has between their legs. Y'all are the one reducing the women to just being 'the women who have kids'. Y'all are the ones who seem to believe the Tsahìk is not as important as the Olo'eyktan, even though ALL Canon proves otherwise.

Neytiri exists outside of Jake and her kids. Her aspirations of wanting to keep her people safe existed even before Jake and before she became a mother. And no, it was not cause of Tsu'tey. In the wiki, a activist survival guide, and the comics, it's elaborated on that Neytiri was originally curious about the humans and believed through the school, the humans can learn from the Na'vi just like what Grace wanted for The Na'vi. But then Neytiri got sick by pollution, then she saw her sister die right in front of her, then she saw countless times of the sky people desecrating and killing her home. Her aspiration to follow what her clan holds dear, to protect The People, to protect her family comes from her trauma of being burned by the same people she thought could 'See'. It's not because she was 'just Tsu'tey's fiancé' or 'the future tsahìk' or 'just the mother'. It comes from her desperately wanting to cling to the last sacred thing the Sky People haven't entirely taken from her; The People. And it comes from her distrust and blind hatred for humans. It was the humans who hurt her, The People were her safety net after. It was the humans who were causing such horrific changes to the very being of their culture, yet The People remained unchanged (yes they did start using metal. But they still held on to all other traditions of the Na'vi). Her trauma made her want to put a fortress around those she loved and fight off these 'pinkskins'.

Varang is the complete flipped end of that. She has a twisted idea of 'protection' for her people. And it was born from the same thing, trauma of seeing half of what you love be destroyed. But I think Varang would be evil even without the volcano tragedy. Because the reason why she took out her father, is because she thought he was too weak. And thats not something to scoff at, this woman killed the clan leader. We don't know if she did it completely alone or not, but the idea was hers, alone. I don't know why y'all diminish the Tsahìk's role, they are all equally important to the clan. They are treated equally in terms of power. They are held to the same standard for leading. They are all just as powerful as the Olo'eyktan. The Tsahìk's word is law, equal to the Olo'eyktans decrees. So for Varang to succeed in killing a Olo'eyktan that means she was either powerful enough (without Quaritch) to manipulate enough people to help in the assassination. Or she beat the Olo'eyktans ass and won (Again. Without Quaritch). Or she was stealthy enough to succeed in a quiet assassination. All roads still point to Varang being extremely powerful on her own. Quaritch was simply a C–4 brick thrown on top of her forest fire.

They compliment each other. He has her at gun point, she'll still have a knife at his throat. They'll die at the same time. He threatens her people, She'll use some of his as human sacrifices. And she whooped this man's ass the first time they met, because she got the one–up on him. And while he did have Wainfleet standing ready with a sniper rifle during their meeting, Varang could have easily killed Quaritch the second they were out of view. That would lead to Wainfleet killing her, but she still would succeed in killing Quaritch. Because these villains match each other's challenges. She had all the power over him when she drugged him. He physically could not lie to her due to the drug and the weird palm shit she does. And I'd even say he couldn't get away from her in that state either. She had all the power in that scene, so If she didn't personally find any intrigue to what he offered/revealed to her, she would have snapped his neck and just thrown him for the scavengers. But she didn't because she exists as a character outside of Quaritch. She wants power for herself and saw the potential the guns gave her. Just cause two characters have the same interests, does not mean one or the other now can't exist as their own self outside of the relationship. Similar does not equal overpower.

And the game Avatar Frontiers of Pandora is Canon. So all the females who don't have children (like every single Tsahìk we meet) are Canon to the entire story. So there are females in Avatar who don't have kids. There are female Olo'eyktans in the Canon because of the game. There are women who aren't in any romance in the game. And if you want to see all these things but you don't have access to it, here are some videos that are just the cutscenes:

(2 hour and 11 minutes) https://youtu.be/Nh\_PA-LxZcY?si=K539ACUs-VaE95ya

(5 hours) https://youtu.be/ZzdOea2yWYw?si=L-V6JYq7Zm8-tiPp

(2 hours and 30 minutes)

https://youtu.be/00Htg1i8UtI?si=iHC4Op2b0vJuLUGv

(From the ashes DLC. 1 hour and 18 minutes. I couldn't find a non–ai channel for sky breaker or the other DLC. I'm sorry) https://youtu.be/56ft-JHQ8bA?si=ysoPkXAHE-2IkbNI

A lot of the game answers many questions and complaints I've seen about the movies. If you like Avatar and want to see how these topics are explored, pick which link works for you.

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 3 months ago
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Got a sour sweet idea about Jake and Kiri

So Na'vi connect their queues for emotional bonds and through the bond you feel what the other feels, right. Well, what if in Fire and Ash we got a scene where Kiri gets so frustrated that Eywa won't hear her, and frustrated that she can't connect to the Spirit Tree, that she storms off and after awhile Jake goes to comfort her and he connects his queue with hers and thinks back to the time he was a paraplegic on earth. Cause I feel they could relate with the overwhelming feeling of 'Why can't I just do this!'

I'm not paraplegic but I've already gone through kidney failure at 18 and lucky enough to get a kidney transplant. Anyone who goes through such a dramatic life change, especially involuntary ones like fucked genetics or unpredictable traumas, will go through that frustrated depression. I know Jake never wanted people to take pity on him, but that attitude is something you build up. He also said in A1, he was sick and tired of doctors telling him what he can and can't do. So I'm sure in the beginning of having to literally rearrange his entire life and how he functioned he probably got to the point where he felt unheard and like he was fundamentally failing at the one thing 'normal' people can do.

It'd just be kind of sweet if we heard how Jake felt about that time or how he looks back on those kinds of things and how it could bring him closer to his kids. (Hell, maybe this exact same scenario could play out with him and Lo'ak so Lo'ak could see, literally, through his dad's eyes with the point of "I was reckless too. I also thought I was damn near untouchable, and it cost me. I don't want it to cost you.")

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u/Character_Panda_9125 — 3 months ago