u/Cheburoll

▲ 6 r/feedingtube+1 crossposts

Traumatic NJ tube removal

21F, with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. Spent 2 weeks in the hospital because i had critically low weight due to severe gastroparesis and intestinal dysmotility.

Had a very thick NJ tube inserted during a gastroscopy a bit more than a week ago (the tube also had a drain located in the stomach.). Long story short,feeding tube didn't work as intended,my pump would beep all the time indicating occlusion, the only way to stop it would to sit perfectly still,but i couldn't sit like that entire day,i have severe kyphoscoliosis and joint issues,and sitting like that even for 20 minutes is straight up torture. They also couldn't flush it properly,there was something "blocking" it. I talked to doctors about it a billion times, they told me they will try a different formula, but it ended up not happening. So they decided to eventually take out the tube and... it was the single most painful experience i've ever had in my life. The tube got stuck in my nose,and the pain was indescribable, it felt like my head will explode, my right eye hurt like it was going to pop out. I nearly fainted a couple of times when they tried tugging on it,i screamed a lot . They got mad at me,and called more doctors. They said it wasn't as painful as i make it out to be,and trued tugging again. IT. HURT.

Eventually they ended up calling an endoscopist,and he tugged so hard,pulling it out, and said that i am anorexic for whatever reason,and left,visibly annoyed. There was a lot of blood.

But what hurt even more than the tube removal was the way they treated me. Like i was insane,or was exaggerating. It hurts. It hurts so fucking much,when my entire life people just think i am insane. When i have real and diagnosed medical issues.

Did anyone else experienced such pain during tube removal? I couldn't find similar cases online.

Also,for some context,this happened in Germany.

reddit.com
u/Cheburoll — 14 hours ago

Leipzig Uniklinik. Days 8-13

Hi,long time no see? Ugh,i haven't had much nice to say. Things haven't been going very well. My tube feeding didn't go well,the pump kept beeping because of occlusions,and no amount of flushing would help. It doesn't beep only in one position,when i'm a sitting still,but that's so exhausting. I have very bad kyphoscoliotis and joint issues,that make sitting for long periods of time a torture. Then my vein busted,so i couldn't have PPN for some time either. (My other arm is covered in rashes,from my bandaid allergy.) So i've spent 4 days without any nutrition,other than things i can eat by mouth,and it sucked so much. Today they tried tube feeds again,and i am sitting in a pretty uncomfortable position just to try and make it work. I want it to work so badly,i am really really sad that my stupid body can't do anything right. But at least they said they are finally going to test motility in my large intestine,via sitz marker test,and then depending on the results they might do a surgery (resection or maybe even total colectomy). I just want some relief.

Now to the food.

Day 8,lunch. 3/10.Steamed fish (idk which fish that is,sorry),with rice and some carrots. Sorry,i know it's a blasphemy for many,but i hate rice. It makes me even more constipated than i always am,and plain rice just doesn't taste well to me at all. Fish was flavorless, carrots were okay,but there was too little of them. On top of that i can't tolerate solid food that well,so it was difficult,and deven a bit painful to eat.

Day 9. 9/10. I believe it was a potato soup with a sausage (Kartoffelsuppe mit Wuerstchen)? But i am not sure 100%. It was great though, i am not German,so seeing an entire sausage in a soup bowl was a bit funny,but i liked it lol. Very tasty soup,with perfect amount of salt. Took 1 point away for the dessert,which was just various fruits,most of the pieces were pears. I have very very bad reaction to pears,so i didn't eat it.

Day 10. Potatoes,meat (pork,i think?) and green beans. 3/10. The meat was horrible,it was impossible to chew,it was torture trying to eat that with a tube in my throat,very painful. Green beans make me bloated,so no,thanks. I only ate potatoes. Oh,and they gave me a pudding with lactose,when i have a bad intolerance to it. Horrible.

Day 11. 6/10. Meat (turkey), rice and carrots. Meat was genuinely delicious,soft and juicy. Didn't eat the rice, ate carrots. Didn't eat the apple puree for dessert.

Day 12. 8/10. Egg omelette, potatoes and fried(?) spinach. That day was very rough for me,i had an appointment with an ophthalmologist that took 5 hours,and i managed to eat the cold lunch only at 2 pm. Even though it was cold i was so hungry,and i loved the omelette. Potatoes were ok,as usual. Was afraid to eat spinach..because such vegetables usually make me horribly bloated. I still ate a little,it was not bad at all,i was just scared. Banana for dessert is very appreciated (my fav fruit)

Day 13 (today.) 8/10. Gemüsebolognese (Veggie bolognese,gluten free). It was good,hovewer some of the macaroni were dry like stone. Some fruits for dessert (cherry, mangoes, pineapples and pears) were ok. Other than that idk what to say,honestly

u/Cheburoll — 1 day ago

Feeding tube (NJ) issues.

Feeding tube pump keeps beeping,i'm so tired

I am 21F, with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome,and 20+ diagnoses. I ended up in a hospital recently due to being very underweight,and being unable to gain weight. I have severe constipation,to the point i can only go to the bathroom using a water enema,no other treatment doctors suggested worked for me at all,no laxatives,nothing. I have severe redundant colon, colon ptosis (visceroptosis) and slow motility. I probably have gastroparesis as well,since i feel full only after a few bites,but still feel hungry,and when i try to eat more i usually just end up throwing up everything. I have limited diet (gluten-lactose intolerant, mostly eat pureed or liquid foods,because i can't tolerate much,and will throw up).

So,to the issue. I am completely new to feeding tubes,and got one placed only around a week ago. It's a very thick NJ tube with drainage in the stomach,placed during a gastroscopy. And when they tried to feed me the pump kept beeping (indicating occlusion) ,and nurses couldn't flush it. They could only flush it after i sat up,and only in this position the pump wouldn't beep. At first i could at least lean on my bed without issues,but every other time they tried to feed me if i won't sit up perfectly the pump will still continue beeping. I am so exhausted,i have to sit like this the entire day,and i constantly need to pee,because i am always bloated and my colon presses on my bladder.

I wonder if those issues could be from the fact that i have EDS, and since my intestines are so droopy they just cause the tube to kink or compress it. I also have reflux,and the food i eat just sort of comes out my mouth (i still can eat by mouth) sometimes,and i can't swallow it down. I also deal with nausea and vomiting. I am scared that the tube might be displaced,or badly kinked,and would need changing beceause of all this. Can someone who's been in similar situation share their experiences, and what helped you? I keep telling nurses and doctors about this issue,but all they do is flush the tube sometimes,and it never really works,the pump will still beep.

reddit.com
u/Cheburoll — 1 day ago

Feeding tube pump keeps beeping,i'm so tired

I am 21F, with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome,and 20+ diagnoses. I ended up in a hospital recently due to being very underweight,and being unable to gain weight. I have severe constipation,to the point i can only go to the bathroom using a water enema,no other treatment doctors suggested worked for me at all,no laxatives,nothing. I have severe redundant colon, colon ptosis and slow motility. I probably have gastroparesis as well,since i feel full only after a few bites,but still feel hungry,and when i try to eat more i usually just end up throwing up everything. I have limited diet (gluten-lactose intolerant, mostly eat pureed or liquid foods,because i can't tolerate much,and will throw up).

So,to the issue. I am completely new to feeding tubes,and got one placed only 3 days ago. It's a very thick NJ tube placed during a agastroscopy (i believe it's also a drainage tube?). And when they tried to feed me the pump kept beeping (indicating occlusion) ,and nurses couldn't flush it. They could only flush it after i sat up,and only in this position the pump wouldn't beep. Yesterday i could at least lean on my bed,but today if i won't sit up perfectly still it will still continue beeping. I am so exhausted,i have to sit like this the entire day,and i constantly need to pee,because i am always bloated and my colon presses on my bladder. And i have to drag the stand with the pump and my PPN bag to the bathroom every time. I wonder if those issues could be from the fact that i had reflux yesterday,and the food i ate earlier just sort of came outta my mouth (i still can eat by mouth). I am scared that the tube is displaced,and would need changing. Can someone who's been in similar situation share their experiences,and what you think could be wrong? Also,i haven't been able to talk to my doctor,because yesterday there was a holiday in Germany,and the doctor wasn't in the hospital. And i haven't seen him today yet as well.

On top of that my nose and throat constantly hurt so much,it's almost unbearable. I keep telling the nurses it hurts,but they don't do anything. I am in agony.

reddit.com
u/Cheburoll — 7 days ago

Leipzig Uniklinik. Day 7, lunch + tube feeds and PPN

Today is a bit better than yesterday. They started Parenteral Nutrition yesterday evening, gonna rate it 8/10, 2 points taken for the fact it was pretty uncomfortable to sleep with it,since i couldn't bend my arm, but 8 points for saving my life slowly. Today they started feeding me through my tube,and at first it didn't go well,my pump kept beeping,and they couldn't flush the tube. And it kept happening until nurse realized that i was laying on my back, so the tube was probably getting blocked due to my position, since turns out you're supposed to get feeds only when your body is in upright position. When i sat,it stopped beeping. Yay... gonna rate it 5/10, it's so incredibly annoying,and my nostrill hurts,but it helps me, so...can't rate it lower...

The usual lunch today was great though,i loveee this soup, it's literally my favorite. 10/10. Carrons and potatoes are my favorite veggies,and they always add salt very generously,exactly how i like it. I am very satisfied

There was also an apple,but i gave it to my mom,i don't like apples,they make me nauseous

u/Cheburoll — 8 days ago

Leipzig Uniklinik. Day 6. Lunch

Today was pretty terrible. I had gastroscopy,and had a feeding tube placed during it. Glad it was all under anesthesia,but hours later my nose and throat are still so sore,and i barely talk because it's very painful. The tube is very thick,and doctor said it's a drainage tube? But they are still going to feed me through it? I don't get it. It's my first experience with a feeding tube. I've been very hungry entire day, and then i didn't even get any dinner. I would be happy to have their usual evening sandwitches,but it just so happened that when the buffet guy was walking around the wards i was talking to the doctor,so the guy straight up skipped me. Fuck, i'm so angry and sad. I cried a lot, hell,i am still crying as i am typing this.

At least i had lunch, but i didn't eat much because of pain. It was some cream soup, i think a pumpkin soup? Honestly, don't know, because i ate only a little. There were also peach pieces and lactose free yogurt as a dessert. My mom ate the peaches. Said they were alright. Yogurt was nice,it was strawberry flavored this time. The soup was honestly very good,but i was in painnn Idk how to rate it, considering the circumstances, i'll leave it at 5/10

u/Cheburoll — 8 days ago

Leipzig Uniklinik. Day 5, lunch

Some really good news today! Talked to doctors today, they said i'll have a gastroscopy tomorrow,and i'll have a nasoduodenal feeding tube placed, and i'll be transferred to the gastrointestinal department so they could monitor me to prevent refeeding syndrome. After that they'll send me home,and i'll be in ambulatory care,they will be giving some meds for gastroparesis. I hope i'll finally be able to gain some weight, since i've still been throwing up every day due to my stomach issues. This will probably be the last post for a while,since i'm not sure if i could still eat solid food after the tube will be placed, and i feel like i'm posting too often,idk.

The food was pretty meh today though. Potatoes and 2 boiled eggs, in mustard sauce...with lactose free yogurt...4/10. Eughhh i hate the mustard sauce and eggs,they made me so nauseous, at least potatoes were good (they are hard to mess up tbh). Yogurt is also good,as usual. Hovewer, i got some herring fillet and camembert for dinner later,and i LOVE herrirng,so it made my day a bit better

u/Cheburoll — 9 days ago

Leipzig Uniklinik. Day 4, lunch (good news)

I was finally heard,i am getting a colonoscopy, gastroscopy and gastric emptying scan soon,and i will talk to a dietitian today...i am very relieved, thank god there was one doctor who listened to me. It took so much goddamn effort to be heard though, i'm still pretty frustrated

Ok,now to the lunch. Today i have potatoes again, turkey breast in gravy,some veggies, mandarins as a dessert and lactose free passion fruit-apricot yogurt. 9/10. I really liked it, meat was soft and delicious, as a fan of potatoes i did not mind them today again,veggies vere good too,the only problem is that broccoli and cauliflower make me bloated,so i didn't really touch them. Yogurt was delicious as always. Also i liked gravy..it's quite salty,i like salt...

u/Cheburoll — 11 days ago

Leipzig Uniklinik. Day 3, lunch

I decided to only post lunch,because honestly the breakfasts and dinners here are all the same,sandwiches

So,lunch. Potatoes again, red cabbage, meat (pork? Sorry,i am bad at identifying meats by taste.) in Bratensoßen,i assume? Since i am not german,not sure how it's called exactly. Apple puree as a dessert. 6/10. Eh,meat has weird chewy texture, and it barely had any taste. Potatoes were fine,but again i had to add salt. I didn't eat red cabbage because it makes me very bloated,i don't tolerate it well. Apple puree was nice,though just like cabbage apples make me bloated,but i was hungry so i ate it. Will regret it later.

Since today is Sunday nothing interesting is happening. Anxiously waiting for tomorrow to come,and hope that the misunderstanding with my misdiagnosis will be cleared,and i'll get to see a gastroenterologist,and ideally also a dietitian. By the way,today for whatever reason nurse gave me Fresubin,but the one with lactose. I am lactose and gluten intolerant. I told him that,and he said they don't have lactose free ones...sigh,they gave me lactose free ones yesterday,did they ran out of them? I..hate this hospital...

u/Cheburoll — 12 days ago

Leipzig Uniklinik. Day 2, breakfast + lunch

First i'll talk about the situation from my previous post,and then about the food...i am so furious

TW for non ED weight issues (not sure if i need to tag post as spoiler,but i did it just in case.)

So,turns out doctors wrote that i have anorexia and bulimia,even though i have a SHIT TON of medical documents stating otherwise,i have Ehlers-Danlos syndrome and 20+ diagnosed medical conditions,most severe of them currently being my GI issues (severe constipation caused by slow motility, dolichocolon and colon ptosis). I also seem to have gastroparesis,since i feel full quickly after a few bites,and i am constantly nauseous,which makes it hard for me to eat and gain weight. I have critically low weight, and my geneticist recommended me to go to hospital to gain it,so i did that. But of course it's easier for the doctors to write my issues off as psychological,since i was previously diagnosed with depression,and they wanted to discharge me today. Thank god today i talked to a doctor who spoke with me in a language i am fluent in (i am from Ukraine,and i can speak English,Ukrainian and russian fluently,but my German isn't great.) The doctor spoke to me in russian. I explained her everything,and she said that she will talk to other doctors to clear up the misunderstanding, and will ask a gastroenterologist to come see me. But i'll have to wait til Monday. If they continue to dismiss me i'll ask to talk to a patient advocate. I will not tolerate such treatment.

Now to the food: 1.breakfast. usual German hospital breakfast, basically same as i had on dinner,though i managed to get more cucumbers this time (i ate some already before i took the photo). Also i got some cherry jam, coffee, and they had lactose free passion fruit-apricot yogurt. 6/10. Again,it's fine, just nothing incredible. Yogurt was the best part probably (and cucumbers). I also had strawberry flavored Fresubin,better than the previous one with chocolate.

  1. Lunch. Boiled potatoes, with chicken(?) meatballs,in a gravy that i honestly can't identify..? Tasted like it had some milk there. + mandarins without skin as a dessert. 8/10. Potatoes were fine,but i added more salt, meatballs were really good, i enjoyed them a lot with gravy. Mandarins were nice as well. Overall good,i enjoyed it.
u/Cheburoll — 13 days ago

Leipzig Uniklinik. Day 1, lunch + dinner

  1. Lunch. Some kind of soup, with carrots and potatoes and strawberry jello (9/10). I actually enjoyed it a lot, soup was very yummy. Strawberry jello was just ok,i guess

  2. Typical german dinner, "abendbrot." For some context,i am here to gain weight,since i have severe gastrointestinal issues caused by Ehlers-Danlos syndrome,and i have cachexia. Not sure how this is supposed to help me gain anything,but anyway. Made myself sandwiches out of stuff they were offering. Gluten free bread, leberwurst, cheese,bologna, cucumbers and pickles (sad that i couldn't get more),woodruff jello and orange juice. I like eating cucumbers with salt a lot,asked my mom to bring me salt from home lol. 6/10. It's just okay. Love cucumbers tho. A lot.

u/Cheburoll — 13 days ago

TW unintentional weight loss

I'll try to go straight to the point,but i am so anxious i'll probably end up just rambling,so sorry in advance. I am 21F, with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome and many many comorbid conditions, the most serious of which right now are my GI issues, like severe redundant colon (dolichocolon), gastroparesis, severe slow motility. Just need to vent,because i am terrified, and can't calm down.

In the last 2 years i have lost a lot of weight,more than 10kg. I have always been very skinny,no matter how much i eat, but now my weight has dropped so much,to the point it's very dangerous. My weight is 38kg, and my height is 173cm. It's horrible. I hate being skinny,i want to gain weight so badly,but no matter how much i eat,and how much i take nutritional drinks (Fresubin) i can't gain anything. I am dependent on daily water enemas to have bowel movements, i tried all laxatives and methods recommended by my doctors,but literally nothing helped,so it is my last resort right now,and i am scared that it will stop working as well. So,i came to Germany from Ukraine because no one was able to help me in my country. I've been at Leipzig Universitätsklinikum where i talked to a geneticist and got a whole genome sequencing test.The geneticist told me i need to go to the hospital,to the nutritional department,but at the time i thought i could try to gain some weight myself,which of course was nof smart,but i was so scared. I have so much trauma from years of medical negligence and even abuse. I sometimes have panic attacks when i need to go to a hospital/doctor.

Even though i was treated very well at hospitals in Germany, much,much better than in my country, i was however treated HORRIBLY by doctors and nurses in the refugee camp i was in, and they accused me of having anorexia,bulimia and laxative abuse (which is a lie. I have all of my medical documents translated to German,describing all of my GI issuses,and they ignored everything.) So now i am terrified of the same treatment in the hospital. I am planning to go to my family doc to get referral to get admitted,because i realize how severe my situation got, and i want to survive so badly,i've fought my entire life. But man,i am scared and anxious.

There's a high possibility i will be put on TPN,because that's what doctors wanted to do when i was in a hospital previously,but i did not have insurance back then,and my geneticist suggested it would probably be the great if they do this. That's also causing me anxiety,because i don't know if my body will tolerate it.

Someone please just tell me everything will be alright. Please. Would also be interested to hear if someone had similar situation to mine,and how you coped with it

reddit.com
u/Cheburoll — 18 days ago

TW unintentional weight loss

I'll try to go straight to the point,but i am so anxious i'll probably end up just rambling,so sorry in advance. I am 21F, with Ehlers-Danlos syndrome and many many comorbid conditions, the most serious of which right now are my GI issues, like severe redundant colon,gastroparesis, severe slow motility. Just need to vent,because i am terrified, and can't calm down.

In the last 2 years i have lost a lot of weight,more than 10kg. I have always been very skinny,no matter how much i eat, but now my weight has dropped so much,to the point it's very dangerous. My weight is 38kg, and my height is 173cm. It's horrible. I hate being skinny,i want to gain weight so badly,but no matter how much i eat,and how much i take nutritional drinks (Fresubin) i can't gain anything. I am dependent on daily water enemas to have bowel movements, i tried all laxatives and methods recommended by my doctors,but literally nothing helped,so it is my last resort right now,and i am scared that it will stop working as well. So,i came to Germany from Ukraine because no one was able to help me in my country. I've been at Leipzig Universitätsklinikum where i talked to a geneticist and got a whole genome sequencing test.The geneticist told me i need to go to the hospital,to the nutritional department,but at the time i thought i could try to gain some weight myself,which of course was dumb,but i was so scared. I have so much trauma from years of medical negligence and even abuse. I sometimes have panic attacks when i need to go to a hospital/doctor.

Even though i was treated very well at hospitals in Germany, much,much better than in my country, i was however treated HORRIBLY by doctors and nurses in the refugee camp i was in, and they accused me of habing anorexia,bulimia amd laxative abuse (which is a lie. I have all of my medical documents translated to German,describing all of my GI issuses,and they ignored everything.) So now i am terrified of the same treatment in the hospital. I am planning to go to my family doc to get referral to get admitted,because i realize how severe my situation got, and i want to survive so badly,i've fought my entire life. But man,i am scared and anxious.

There's a high possibility i will be put on TPN,because that's what doctors wanted to do when i was in a hospital previously,but i did not have insurance back then,and my geneticist suggested it would probably be the great if they do this. That's also causing me anxiety,because i don't know if my body will tolerate it.

Someone please just tell me everything will be alright. Please. Would also be interested to hear if someone had similar situation to mine,and how you coped with it

reddit.com
u/Cheburoll — 19 days ago