A very long post on Polyphemos

In my last very long post, I mentioned that, if we ignore Polyphemos, Kirke and Skylla are the two most important adversaries of Odysseus.

But we ignore One-Eyed Guy no more.

This very long post is here to answer the question: what is Polyphemos?

We’ll be using two texts:

Ovid’s Metamorphoses
Homer’s Odyssey

Text 1: Ovid’s Metamorphoses

We’ll specifically go over the myth in which Polyphemos loves the sea nymph Galatea and, in jealousy, kills his rival Acis.

When Skylla runs to the Nereids for protection from her suitors, Galatea tells her of the time she loved a guy named Acis.

Acis was a son of Faunus (who is basically Roman Pan) and a Naiad. Galatea REALLY loved him. But there is someone who loves her as much as she loves Acis. That someone is Polyphemos. (I guess because Galatea means “milk-white”, so she reminded Polyphemos of milk). In fact, he loves her so much that he tries to look civilized. And bro is so huge he needs rakes to comb his hair and sickles to shave his beard.

In the meantime, the prophet Telemus tells Polyphemos a prophecy of the Cyclops losing his eye to a man named Odysseus. Polyphemos ignores him (rude) and says that Galatea already took his eye. Then he leads his sheep up the mountain (using a pine tree as a cane) and plays his panpipe (WITH 100 REEDS). And he sings a song of love to Galatea, noting her beauty, but also her stubbornness. He promises her luxury in his cave, abundant fruit, dairy, and twin bear cubs. He says he is greater than Zeus due to his size (blasphemy) and notes how he is a son of Poseidon.

But when he sees Acis, he takes a rock from the mountain and chucks it at the boy… killing him. And Galatea turns him into the river that bears his name.

What does this say about Polyphemos?

Well, for one, he has no civilization. For another, this uncivilization does not help when attempts to find love, and in fact drives Galatea away from him.

Text 2: Homer’s Odyssey

So after getting out of the sticky wicket on Lotus Land, Odysseus’ fleet stops by at the island of the Cyclopes, which should be Sicily.

According to Odysseus, they don’t work, but just let the gods do everything for them. This reminds me of a concept in Islam called تواكل, which means false, passive reliance.

You remember the song Charlie’s Inferno by That Handsome Devil? It’s about a guy who does so many good deeds, but only because has no faith that he will be accepted into Heaven, so he goes to Hell for his lack of faith.

The Cyclopes are the exact opposite: they have so much faith in the gods that they do nothing. They just forage. They also only set laws for themselves, and for most Cyclopes, that means no laws.

Near this island is one full of goats raised by nymph daughters of Zeus. By whom, we’re not sure. Perhaps he created them himself? I shouldn’t dwell on it.

Anyway, this island is basically a paradise hut completely uncultivated. It represents the Cyclopes: really strong, but because they’re so stupid, lawless, and brutal, they can’t do shit.

Odysseus takes nine goats for each ship (ten for his own, because he’s prideful that way), and his crew feast on them with some Ismarian wine.

And then, they go to Cyclops Land, and the first thing they see is a cave apart from the others. It is filled with cheese, milk, sheep, and goats. And that’s what makes Polyphemos different from the other Cyclopes.

In Book 1, Zeus calls Polyphemos “the mightiest of the Cyclopes”. And this is why: while the other Cyclopes only forage and don’t work, Polyphemos raises livestock. Milks them. Makes cheese. He has a human occupation. He is the most civilized of them. And he lives apart from them. This leads me to infer he is something of their KING!

Now, Odysseus knew that he might encounter someone with no sense of xenia, so he took some undiluted Ismarian wine to drug them in case.

So then the crew find the cave, get in, and see the food they can take with them. They want to, but Odysseus cautions them against it. He wants to see: will they get xenia here? (No)

They sacrifice to the gods, help themselves to some cheese, then Mr Cyclops comes back. He blocks the mouth of the cave with a big rock, then lights his hearth and notices the men. He asks who they are, and Odysseus explains that they’re soldiers of Agamemnon returning from Troy, and asking for hospitality as demanded by Zeus. Polyphemos says, “Zeus ain’t shit, where’s your ship at?” Yeah, he’s not just a متواكل, he’s a كافر (infidel). Ody lies to save the men at the ship and says Poseidon broke it. Polyphemos then decides to eat the men he has then goes to sleep. Ody knows he can’t kill him because after he’s dead, who will move the stone? So he bides his time until the next morning, where Polyphemos kills and eats two more men and leaves, closing the door behind him.

Now Odysseus thinks of his master plan. He sees at the end of the room: the Cyclops has an olive tree that he uses as a club. Odysseus then gets his plan: he has his men cut part of the club off, make it into a stake, then hide it in the animal’s shit. Mr Cyclops comes back, closes the door, and eats two more men. That’s where the Ismarian wine comes in. Odysseus gets that guy to drink up so he can go nappy more quickly, framing it as “a way we were hoping to get hospitality from you”. Then Polyphemos asks for Odysseus’ name if he wants hospitality so bad, and Odysseus says his name is Outis, the Greek word for Nobody.

Polyphemos promises Odysseus that, to show xenia, he will eat him last. Then he’s knocked out, giving Odysseus plenty of time to enact his plan.

There it is, wily Odysseus can now be in action. This guy formed many great plans in the siege of Troy, surely this one will be just as convoluted! And it is… poking his eye with that stake from earlier.

They put the sharp end in the hearth, and stabby stab that eye. The screams attract the other Cyclopes who come to ask, “Is Metis killing you?” Metis is another Greek word for Nobody! (And the Greek word for cunning as well) Polyphemos says “Outis is killing me!” So they just tell him to pray to Dada Poseidon and hope for the best. Polyphemos then opens the door so that he can eat anyone who attempts to escape. But Odysseus makes another plan. He ties what men he has left to the bellies of the rams, and he himself clings to the belly of Polyphemos’ largest ram. They get out fine like this, since Polyphemos only thinks to check the rams’ backs. They take the sheep with them, and Odysseus decides “Hey, I can gain mad kleos from this!” Which leads to this iconic interaction:

Ody: HEY CYCLOPS! It seems that he who has blinded you was more than a mere mortal (or, in the humble Epic fan’s terms, I am neither man nor mythical)! You have received your due punishment in the name of xenia!

(Cyclops throws a rock. Ody goes back to continue his speech.)

Ody’s Crew: No no no you just saw him chuck a rock at us don’t try to make him angrier!

Ody: If anyone asks you from here on out who has blinded you, you shall tell them it was Odysseus of Ithaca, son of Laertes and sacker of cities!

Cyclops: Then that means the prophecy of Telemus has come true! But I had always expected Odysseus to be a big, strong man, not a puny weakling like yourself! Well then, Odysseus, you want xenia so bad? Come back and get it!

Ody: I WISH I could come back and kill you to put you out of your misery, as I am sure that not even your father Poseidon can restore your vision! (See this is important because THAT’s what pissed off Polyphemos, it wasn't getting his eye stabbed out, but it was Odysseus boasting that he destroyed his eye so bad that Poseidon couldn't heal it)

Cyclops: Hear me, Poseidon - if you are truly my father and I am truly your son, grant that Odysseus never returns home. Or if he is fated to, grant that he returns late, alone, and in misery.

(Cyclops chucks another rock.)

So what does this say?

Well, even though Polyphemos did fall for an obvious trick, he still was smart enough to be pretty human. But he did fall for an obvious trick. To be fair, he could’ve very well thought Outis was a real name (the Cyclopes had not boats to see other people), and the other Cyclopes also fell for it but in their own way, since they did not bother to check, “Hey, maybe it’s a guy who calls himself Outis? I mean, we’re saying Metis!”

Now anyway, let’s assess the xenia of both guests and host.

Now Polyphemos was asked to give hospitality, but he did not observe xenia, and killed and ate his guests. That is ASKING to be punished.

But what about the other side?

So Ody was in need of hospitality. He found a house with no one. He waited for his host, and ate with moderation when he got hungry, cautioning his men against theft. The host arrived, and jn fact did not observe xenia.

I didn’t have to assess Ody, but I did anyway, to prove that Polyphemos IS NOT THE VICTIM! Polyphemos also asked Odysseus’ name before providing hospitality. That’s also against the laws of xenia!

Ody did not “break in”; he just waited (and ate with moderation). The sacrifices were from the goats on the other island. Guests ask for hospitality THEN hosts offer it. Hosts are not obligated to provide hospitality unless asked.

Conclusion:

Polyphemos:

Is uncivilized
Cannot get the girl he loves because of this
Is still more civilized than his brothers
Is basically the Greek equivalent of a disbeliever in another religion

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u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 3 days ago

The parentages I believe to be true (UPDATED)

Phorcys and Ceto’s children are the Gorgons, the Graeae, Ladon, Echidna, Thelxiepeia, Peisinoë, Aglaope, and Thoosa.

Apollo and Hecate’s child is Scylla.

Erebus and Nyx’s children are Aether, Hemera, Moros, the Keres, Thanatos, Hypnos, the Oneiroi, Momos, Oizys, the Hesperides, Nemesis, Apate, Philotes, Geras, and Eris.

Atlas and Pleione’s children are the Pleiades, the Hyades, and Calypso.

Typhon and Echidna’s children are Orthrus, Cerberus, the Lernean Hydra, and the Chimera. The Colchian Serpent was also born when the blood of Typhon landed on Gaia.

Orthrus and the Chimera’s children are the Sphinx and the Nemean Lion.

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u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 8 days ago

Headcanon on the Thunder Saga

In Monster, Odysseus says he'll "go where Poseidon won't reach us."

Poseidon hears about this and takes one of Odysseus' wrecked ships from the Laistrygones' island and places it in Odysseus' path, while ordering a bunch of Sirens to stick there.

He tells them to tell Odysseus that the best way to avoid Poseidon is to sail through the lair of Skylla, where Poseidon does not dare roam. Truth be told, Poseidon does not fear Skylla's lair, and just had the Sirens tell Odysseus that because Poseidon knew Odysseus would want to make sure he was not one of the six.

The measures Odysseus would take to make sure of that will foster distrust in the crew, eventually leading to them dissenting, which will cause all of them to die and for Odysseus to be stranded.

Basically Poseidon planned for the Thunder Saga to happen ;)

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u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 14 days ago

Favorite art style for your favorite gods?

Poseidon: Neal Illustrator

Hera: Gwendy

Athena: Jake Doubleyoo

Aphrodite: Marty Noble

u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 16 days ago
▲ 13 r/okbuddyolympian+1 crossposts

Drake the type of Xenia Xavier to provide food, drink, bath, bed, and protection to strangers and not ask their name or business until all of this is provided

u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 20 days ago
▲ 2 r/alevel

Predicted thresholds for 9701?

I do 9700, 9701, and Edexcel Math. I’m confident about 9700 and Edexcel Math, but not so much for 9701. What do you guys think the thresholds will be for each paper there and overall?

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u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 21 days ago

In the myth of Psyche, despite Venus/Aphrodite being the main antagonist, she still dances at the wedding at the end. This makes this the first “Ah, what the heck!” moment in media.

That’s right.

Before Megamind.
Before Despicable Me.
Before Home.
Before The Angry Birds Movie.

There was The Myth of Psyche.

u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 21 days ago

With this definition, who would you say is the biggest fraud in this mythology? Try not to go for the easy ones like any of the gods, Theseus, or Jason.

u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 21 days ago

Where is everybody in Epic going after they die?

Ok so the Greek underworld works like this:

Once you get off the boat of Charon and pass Kerberos, you find three judges awaiting you. They will determine the part of the Underworld you are destined for.

  • Aeacus: He judges the people of Europe to see if they are indifferent enough to go to the Fields of Asphodel.
  • Rhadamanthus: He judges the people of Asia to see if they are peaceful enough to go to Elysium.
  • Minos: He judges those whom Aeacus and Rhadamanthus cannot judge to see if they are violent enough to go to Tartarus.

Basically, they didn't judge you per se, but sorted you. Hades viewed that indifferent souls could only exist in an indifferent afterlife, peaceful souls could only exist in a peaceful afterlife, and violent souls could only exist in a violent afterlife.

However, Hades would sometimes directly reward and punish.

Direct Elysium was given to those who have done things that could only be done with the help of a god. Examples:

  • Cadmus (who married Harmonia once done with servitude to Ares) and Harmonia (who was turned into a snake by Zeus to remain with her husband)
  • Orpheus and Eurydice (who could only (almost) exit the Underworld together with the permission of Hades)
  • Menelaus (who married Helen, a daughter of Zeus)

In contrast, those who have intentionally wronged a god were given Direct Tartarus. Examples:

  • Ixion (almost cracked Hera, actually cracked Nephele (the cloud that looked like her) and bragged about it to everyone)
  • Sisyphus (snitched on Zeus, chained up Thanatos, and lied to Hades)
  • The Danaids that aren't Hypermnestra (murdered their husbands on their wedding night)
  • Tityos (tried to assault Leto, mother of Apollo and Artemis)
  • Tantalus (killed his son and tried to feed him to the gods)
  • The Aloads (tried to storm Olympus to force Artemis and Hera to marry them, put Ares in a jar)

That being said, which Epic characters are ending up where? (I should clarify I'm referring to the mortals)

u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 23 days ago

The main theme of Ilium will most likely be pride, love, and resentment becoming engines of fate. Let me explain.

So, in Fire, Cassandra says "How could I change what you'll do?" She explicitly refers to the future as "what [Priam]'ll do". What others do will cause the future.

There's Paris, whose longing for love accidentally starts a war.

Priam, whose pride prevents him from heeding a prophecy.

Thetis, whose resentment will likely shape Achilles.

Aphrodite, who questions whether love is worth the grieving at the end (I like to think that snippet with Talya is Anchises and Aphrodite).

The Fall of Troy isn't inevitable because destiny. Yes, the prophecy shows the end, but it's YOUR decisions, which are shaped by pride, love, and bitterness, that take you toward said end.

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u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 23 days ago

Do you guys think desperation played a part in WYFILWMA? Like do you think Penelope was like: fuck it, I've waited 20 years, I'll take what I can get, even if what I can get is a Monster?

u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 24 days ago

Why do you guys reckon Aeolus was cut out?

So pretty much everything in the Odyssey was left in. However, one aspect was cut out: Aeolus.

Between the encounter with Polyphemus and the Laistrygones, Odysseus stops by the island of Aeolia, ruled over by Aeolus, a mortal man granted power over the wind by the gods.

Now this guy Aeolus has six sons and six daughters. And he gave his six daughters to his six sons in marriage. What’s interesting is that incest was considered normal among the gods but barbaric among men. But Aeolus did it just fine. Meaning that despite Aeolus’ mortality, he was divine enough to follow the laws of the gods.

So anyway Aeolus hosts Odysseus for a month, and Odysseus tells of his adventures thus far. Overall, both Odysseus and Aeolus follow xenia/Zeus’ law, Aeolus is a good host, Odysseus is a good guest. So before parting Aeolus gives his guest gift.

The incident with Polyphemus must have pissed off Poseidon. And even though the wrath of the gods on Odysseus due to what he did to the city of Troy ends after 10 years and they agree he has suffered enough, Poseidon does not. Anyway Aeolus sees Poseidon, the proper god of the wind who strikes the air with his trident to create winds, being pissed, he puts Boreaus, Notus, and Eurus (the three dangerous winds which Poseidon might send after Odysseus) in an oxhide bag, warning Odysseus not to open it, then sending the gentle wind Zephyrus after Odysseus’ fleet to get them home.

Now Odysseus is very secretive about what the bag has. So his crew begins thinking there’s treasure in there. And honestly valid: if my captain didn’t tell me what he had, I’d think it’s something I want. So they open the bag and are blown back to Aeolia. Odysseus tells Aeolus what happened and asks for another bag, but Aeolus tells him that the first bag should’ve helped. If it did not, then that would mean the gods did not want Odysseus to reach home, and he orders Odysseus off.

This is the one part of the Odyssey nowhere to be seen in Nolan’s adaptation. Why do you think that is?

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u/Crash_FNF_Eddsworld — 24 days ago