A weird theory: Hunter of Hunters was framed?

Ok you may say that its a total bonkers of a theory but hear me out.

Even though we know that Matilda was a werewolf and that she was present in the room when Fatigue died, there are some things that don't add up to me that feel important.

#1: The motive:

D voices "fatigue expertise" as a proof that Matilda is not a vampire. True it makes sense for a Garou to take out a Garou specialist, but it doesn't really make sense to:

>Take them out in a way that makes it very clear they were killed by something unnaturally powerful.

>Take out the only person whose profession was connected to you. Ironically making it clear to others that the killer is a Garou.

Then there is also the fact that Fatigue also had a reputation, and a reputation that surprised everyone in the Arcanum that learned of it. Fatigue ended up SAVING a Garou in the past and openly opposing and helping eliminating a pack of fanatical stolen moons.

My crack theory is that Kin of the Shuck pack knew about Fatigue to some extend and maybe even felt a sense of respect to him, afterall Stig is a guy who can respect people that showcase important values, such as bravery. And taking down a group of stolen moons and ending a legacy of one of the worst crimes Garou can imagine? I am not buying the idea that Stig and by extenstion Hunts did not knew who Fatigue is, given how the Green Claw Garou who was saved by him definitely told others from their pack about it, and the news likely spread like wildfire among the tribes, especially those that would be in areas near current location of Fatigue.

Sure Red Talons hate humanity with extra passion but I have pointed out in my other posts the team is eager to bring nuance to clans and tribes rather than playing their stereotypes straight. I can see Hunts choosing not to murder Fatigue simply because how he helped kill stolen moons.

#2: The fight:

Git says that there was a struggle between Fatigue and Hunts, and how the fight took a while. Fucking how? I can see people claim its to showcase how much of a badass Fatigue is and how he could fight off a crinos despite being an old man... chief this is that kind of a guy. He won't suddenly pull off some Baki style martial arts techniques, he is just a senior citizen with theoretical experience.

So what I think may have happened?

I think that the Arcanum has been compromised by a bane, not just a ghoul and a garou.

We know Pentex is involved and we know that banes love to make people suffer. So what if it was not Hunts that attacked Fatigue unprovoked? What if the bane that is in the Arcanum possessed somebody? The way I see it there are two ways, one more likely than the other:

A: Fatigue was possessed, Hunts merci killed him and Spit got catatonic from seeing a Crinos.

Unlikely, banes have difficult time possessing pure hearted people, and Fatigue's moral compass would he like an unpenetrable fortress.

Which brings us to:

B: Spit got possessed, Hunts went Crinos thinking she's the one the bane is gonna fight but the bane instead went for Fatigue thus signaling to the hunters that all bets are off and framing Hunts.

The theory also assumes that another theory, the swarm type bane responsible for sowing resentment and anger, which manifests as flies scattered around the Arcanum is also present.

A theory I am a fan of as there has been an aweful large amount of flies and buzzing present in key moments of this arc.

And also, when it comes to my original point, here's the biggest reason I think Hunts did not killed Fatigue:

#3: If anything Fatigue was the only hunter the pack would want alive.

Note how Jambles, Hunts or Stig never mention anything about the hunter data. As if this was never their objective. If anything I feel like the purpose of infiltration was to simply gather the intel from fatigue, either forcefully or if possible: through more finesse methods.

Fatigue dies after he sits down with spit and git and gets into his "old man talking about stuff he is passionate about" mode as evident by Git mentioned he was yapping about yams.

What if the plan was for Hunts to stroll by, right when Fatigue is feeling chatty and safe, and then try to gently ask him if he ever heard of Black Shuck, the local legend.

However the bane notices and thinks that the perfect 10d chess manauver is to kill Fatigue right now, and have Hunts take the blame. Now Garou have no clues, their best lead is dead and the heat went through the fucking roof.

No matter how you look at it, Fatigue was the key to Garou learning about the Shuck, not obstacle. If I was them, and I were to guess who at the Arcanum knows where the Elder Black Shuck is, then of course I would try the lycanthrope specialist. Even if my point of them knowing and respecting Fatigue for his past is wrong and I would be surprised if I was right on that part, this part alone should put plenty on doubt on idea that murder of Fatigue was part of the plan.

So whatchu think? My main reason for this theory is that the pack seems to be painted as potential future allies.

And I cant see the family joining forces with people who

>Murdered Fatigue out of malice/cold blooded strategy

>Murdered Grimmal (which why I worry that Grimmal may not be gone... yes I am worried. Something about her words being "remember me LIKE THIS" gives me a sense of her coming back... but us wishing she didn't. Mayhaps some necromancy or wraith fuckery, mayhaps some ghoul fuckery... either way by her being a traitor working with Camarilla and the vamps reclaiming and repairing their lost asset.)

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u/DicerTheJester — 14 hours ago

I looked up what Silent Striders are known for. Results are interesting.

As we have seen in the series so far the team takes the influence of clans and other major aspects of splat identity very seriously and never just handwaves it or uses it as a background.

Sometimes by subverting stereotypes, such as how Shitbeard was a Bruja and was a typical biker bro but also went to collage, so he wasn't just a reckless brute. Similarly ape had an uncanny interest in dramatics despite being a gangrel, a clan that is meant to be animalistic and feral.

We can see the same with Garou.

Hunter of Hunters is a Red Talon. The aspect of her tribe is apparent as she is the most hateful and volatile of the kin of black shuck.

Jambles is a glass walker and we can see he is a big tech bro though his obsession with gambling is the main thing and his talent with tech seems more like a skill he is good at rather than his major interest, least from what we know so far.

And finally we have Stig. Stig is a silent strider and I originally assumed that his entire gimmick is being a total subversion of his tribe. I had no idea what Silent Striders are like when I first saw the episode but with a name like that I initially assumed them to be a sort of assassins or spies of Garou, which makes it funny because Stig is larger than life Viking that has no stealthy bone in his body. Though granted he did snuck up on Marcus and utilized stealth against the gang, but in case of the former it can be explained as him just moving so fast he doesn't need to be stealthy and in the latter he was just doing it to fuck with others.

So I looked up Silent Striders. Turns out that no, they are not the Nosferatu like stealth specialists of Garou, instead being Garou with the best connection to the dead and departed, having some necromancy related fuckery going on and also being the designated anti-wrath specialists. As in the Silent Striders have the best connection with the parts of the Umbra where spirits of the dead reside.

I am going to be honest here champs. Grimmal is very likely dead. Even if she is a ghoul. Ghouls may be tougher than humans but when Garou in a warform essentially executes you when overwhelmed by rage, few can survive it, and Ghouls aint among these few.

But I do wonder just how the fuck the Silent Strider Shtick is gonna come into play cause there is no way that it won't be major factor.

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u/DicerTheJester — 3 days ago

Competition: write a single sentence that will absolutely destroy any hope in a series.

Specifically not a story opener, just any sentence that can happen in any chapter, that will make people realize that this story is gonna be absolute shit and has no chance of being fixed and will make you drop the book like an unpinned grenade.

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u/DicerTheJester — 23 days ago

Most fun deities to worship and get boons from for a face/charisma character?

As the title says: what deities are most fun and have the best boons for characters that focus on social skills and charisma? I am specifically looking for non evil deities as I want my character to be a good boy, but the specific flavor of good is not important. Will accept neutral deities.

Edit: Looking specifically for obedience bonuses and obedience boons from deific obedience and similar feats.

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u/DicerTheJester — 26 days ago

What I like about this game is how levels are just a suggestion, not a blockage.

I am hellbent on clearinh Velen of all foul questions marka that ruin the map, so I decided to clear them all, before meeting with the goat lover or the crones, and so far I am doing good.

I am level 18, got improved Griffin armor and also the feline armor in the backpack. A full on green build so I can't say I am surprised I am having an easy time since holy shit people did not joked about alchemy build being OP. Even on the second to most difficult setting the game is challenging yet doable if I focus and keep being smart.

The funny thing is, I have been clearing the bandit outposts and monster nests from Heart of Stone as easily as the ones at the base game. Red knights are not that hard if I keep myself mobile enough to avoid their blows and the spiders are also easy enough if I pay attention and dont let them web me. Also ended up killing that one ancient Leshen at the castle ruins. The top tier silver dust bomb made it kinda embarassing since he was unable to vanish or teleport, though the ravens were annoying.

My point is: the enemies with red names and levels no longer scare me. In numerous other games I would assume that enemies that are too high level simply will wreck me, in a combat that wont even let me stand a chance. But in witcher 3 if I keep my moves coordinated and keep my focus where it needs to be, and use the right tools for the job, even the greatest enemy can be felled with enough effort.

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u/DicerTheJester — 1 month ago

Shitpost: No that Rodioncina is coming, we might learn what Valencina did to piss off the Thumb.

And we are going to come up with all the wrong answers to what it is. Share in the comments your best worst guess what she did to get exiled 3 days after her promotion.

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u/DicerTheJester — 2 months ago

Theory/Prediction: Ricardo will either distort or manifest EGO

We definitely going to meet with Ricardo again in the future as the middle never forgets. However with Rufio defeated, all by ourselves (and Kira the goat) who Ryoshu claimed is comperable to Ricardo in terms of strength, I doubt that we won't be given a significant power up to Ricardo for our next and perhaps final encounter.

Sinners should be strong enough to potentially take him on from the purely narrative point of view, and we don't know how much stronger they will get before meeting with Ricardo yet again.

The idea of Ricardo being overpowered by sinners goes against the very idea of the character who is a personification of consequences and relentless danger.

Which why I think that in our next meeting Ricardo will either distort or manifest ego, or pull off canto 4 and do one after another. Why do I think Ricardo would hear Carmen?

Kira.

Kira now travels with the bus team. Kira is somebody who looked up to the middle only to be betrayed. I think she is gonna call Ricardo out for his bullshit ideal (No Yi-Sang, I did not called) view on what is just a bunch of extremely violent thugs who just pretend to care about one another and in reality just need an excuse to fight people. Sinners (especially Ryoshu, Ishmael and Don) may back her up further breaking Ricardo's otherwise unbreakable conviction. This may make Ricardo reach his lowest point by having his faith in the middle crushed and trambled, which makes Carmen speak to him and make him distort.

Alternatively he manages to fight off the doubt, rise above it with genuine conviction and manifest ego instead.

And so thats how we finish the legendary rivalry. Sinners vs new Ricardo, be it a distortion, or ego or both.

Honestly that's the best way I see our next Ricardo encounter can go.

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u/DicerTheJester — 2 months ago

I have seen a trend of people who mistake "a character that has a reason for their action" with "a character that is justified in their actions".

For everything, and I do mean everything, there is a reason. There is a reason for every good deed and a crime.

I hate it when viewers assume that just because we see the reasoning of a character then the narrative tries to say "he does have a point" or worse yet "he is right".

But you know what I hate more? Authors who have the same mindset. Authors who think that they have to keep their antagonistic forces as bland, two dimensional and generic because they fear that giving them a proper reason for their action (beyond "they are evil" "for money" or "because they are mindless beasts") that they will be endorsing or even justifying their actions.

For every action there is a reaction, and the deeds committed by the characters should be a reaction to their reasons, not just generic actions that exist only for the MC to react to.

Invincible:

I hate people who say that Thragg is justified in his goal to become space hitler 2.0, citing how he is just "loyal" "loves his people" and other crap.

You know what I hate more? The original comic's approach to Nolan's saying he is sorry. Many characters just went "oh yeah he had his reasons, so it was actually justified". Like what the fuck do you mean "forgive and forget"? Man went on a mass murder spree, went on a super racist rant and almost murdered his son all to prove a point that Earth must be enslaved and purged of undesirables.

Nothing that Nolan did was justified. Nothing. It had a reason, but not a justification. That's why I like how the show approaches it with more maturity and have the characters call Nolan out about how big of a piece of shit he is and how they are not buying his "I am the good guy now" until after he backed his words with action.

Akame ga Kill

Good lord that fucking show was abyssmal. I can still remember people discussing how its actually about complex morality because the two main groups have their own reasons to be on the side of the conflict we have.

And the show tries hard. HARD to further this idea. Despite the fact that the conflict is "rebels vs super evil comically tyranical empire".

Why yes, I agree that the guys that fight in the name of an empire that has

>Nobles murdering and torturing civilians for fun (but you know they are the bad guys cause they have no reasons to do that, they are just nobles so comically evil even Jacobins would call bullshit)

>Murders their citizens so much the executioner actually went insane from it and went on a killing spree (but you know he is the bad guy cause he has no reason, he is just crazy)

>Is controlled by an evil prime minister who is gluttonous bastard that seemingly does nothing about actual administration, just tells the emperor "hey, lets execute this guy lol" (but you know he is the bad guy cause he has no reason at all for doing literally anything other than to be evil)

are on equal moral standing as the rebels who

>kill comically evil people

And that is without even getting into the fucking manga the show was based on. Will you believe me if I say that the anime is actually better than the manga? I fucking dare you to look up "Akame Ga Kill: Wild Hunt" to see just how comically edgy and immature the author can get.

In summary:

>Give your villains a reason. Not just to antiheroes or to morally complex guys. To all villain.

>Antagonist without a reason is stupid.

>Assuming that a character is justified just cause they have a reason for an action is beyond moronic, especially if author thinks so.

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u/DicerTheJester — 4 months ago