u/Emergency-Host-168

if you look closely my peni dies there, because my rocket was busy healing someone else and i used my teamup on rogue.

its the same reason why copying any ult that is not a support/deffensive ult with loki is "bad" or why jeff ult is very hard to use. because you are leaving your team between 5-15 seconds with 1 less healer because you decided to diff the enemy team with your own kit in the best way possible. its not as bad in trip sup comps but still its a big problem. i can defend myself or atleast express my skill in a way that lets me get a kill but in that 4 second time period my tank can explode.

im a big believer in the hela teamup but core game design makes it "flawed"

This game would be so nice, it would be basically the playable version of his comics since he also just creates chaos.

This a goldmine waiting to be discovered, this genre of games already sells a ton and with the Jeff ip they would just make a fortune especially he became very popular with the help of Rivals

Im not saying this because "hehe im a silly shark main i love my shark".
Im saying this because jeffs ult is not an another immortality circle, Adam's ult is unique for the game but its a generic revive ult, loki is stuck at copying another immortality circle and gambit injects steroids to everyone and that is too op, ultron is fine, rocket used to be a aggressive ult only but they added shield generation to it. and everyone else has immortality circle.

The reason i think game is healthy in terms of balance when jeff is meta is because jeff's ult is very hard to use and actually requires skill to use its not a press Q win game button. When jeff is meta it means neutral game (which where jeff excels at) is a lot more important than getting your ult.

Example seasons are S2(before rework) and season 7 till season 8.5 which kinda lines up because ult generations were nerfed heavily in S7. He didnt rundown metal ranks, some experienced jeff players who mastered him would run lobbies in GM/CEL (this is where i sit) and CEL+ up to Esports he was a pick or ban alongside gambit, teams would like to run 2 of the Gambit-Mantis-Jeff when it was available.

Gambit is an exception because his ult is busted, mantis and jeff are the different sides of the same coin, they both do require mechanical skill to make it work aswell whether boosting their team with damage or speed they only differ because mantis's ult is good and jeff's is situational, jeff is better at healing while mantis is more focused on dealing damage.

So if in the season 10 they nerf supports or support ults and ult generation, neutral game becomes more important than press Q haha win, Jeff will become meta again and balance will be healthy, not because jeff is meta, because the reasons that make jeff meta leads to making game healthy.

for those who aint gonna read allat, Jeff neutral good, when ult not important meta healthy, so jeff meta, not because jeff meta being good but because things make jeff meta is good. MRRR MRR YUMMY YUMMY.

Last account got stolen but im back to jeff it harder than ever. (previously known as the free koala)

for those new jeffies who doesnt know storm ult-torch flame-jeff in this order.

torch and jeff doesnt need to use their ult only storm.

Bonk bonk bonk bonk

Both rock and damage return procked at the same time so she just killed herself with oneshot lmao.

S- Almost always these characters should look for portal cancellation, they have the either range, survivability, movement or ease of cancel or multiple of those at the same time and basically have 0 downside in trying. requires good positioning by strange or saving from teammates to get the portal through.

A- They arent as ideal as S tier but still very good at cancelling portals. they dont have as good as of movement as the upper class. should think 1.5 times before going for it and sometimes map dependent. (peni is here because of the latest change)

B- they have to commit to it or land a relitavely hard shot because if they dont stop it they have mild chance of dying or not being in time for the last fight if they are ranged.

C- preffered to be on battlefield/isnt as reliable/commit an important ult or cooldown. they will die doing it because they have to get close or land a very hard pushback/stun. (elsa is here because her ult can be cut through if the whole team is there and its a very expensive ult to miss if she fails to cancel)

D- they technically have abilities that can cancel it BUT they must be on the battlefield unless its a confirmed win if they cancel portal.

F- Their only way of stopping the portal if they kill the strange, they dont have any tools to push him back into spawn or stun them out the portal.