u/FastCarGoBrr

There’s a lot of people on here saying they are, and I certainly don’t know if they are, but let’s keep in mind this idea of enlightenment is very hard to measure, and those who are ignorant to their ignorance, appear enlightened to themselves.

Don’t be so busy being convinced of yourself, or of attempting to tell others of your success.

It could be that just being and continuing to search is the reward of enlightenment

And that announcing yourself as enlightened is more of a trap than people think

One of the most difficult things to accomplish in my opinion, is the ability to grieve without attempting to push or move the grief.

It’s in the deepest grief people begin to ask questions why, or to relieve themself of the emotion, either through drugs, rationalisations, or by bringing back what has passed.

But the strength to do nothing, when that is what is called for, is overlooked by many people, and the strength to feel the grief openly without pretending like you have it ‘under your control’ is the quality that brings about proper healing.

No one repairs physical injuries unless they rely on the bodies own mechanisms, and time.

And the same in my opinion is true of trauma and grief

There’s a lot of people on here saying they are, and I certainly don’t know if they are, but let’s keep in mind this idea of enlightenment is very hard to measure, and those who are ignorant to their ignorance, appear enlightened to themselves.

Don’t be so busy being convinced of yourself, or of attempting to tell others of your success.

It could be that just being and continuing to search is the reward of enlightenment

And that announcing yourself as enlightened is more of a trap than people think

In the absence of reason, morality or religion. In the knowing state of self where one can see that they themselves are the reason for their own proliferation.

That choosing to live is a byproduct of the chemical reactions inside the brain, the structure of one’s mind and a self serving loop without existential purpose.

Past nihilism, I’m not saying things don’t matter, I’m saying they matter only in relation to the thing itself, and to exclude one’s self from the thing is to extinguish meaning from one’s soul.

It is no longer ‘why do we live’ it’s ’why do we live like this’. Puppets to the algorithm of compliance, or borderline schizophrenics trying to make something of the emptiness. Trying to convince oneself of one’s own reasoning.

Perhaps when you drop everything you become nothing, and when you hold tightly to everything, you become nothing except an extension of the thing you hold.

My brain scatters to ask the next productive question that leads to the next state but the soul perhaps is tired of being channeled through equally pointless games.

What is there when a man or woman removes everything from their picture of ‘life’, and wipes all indoctrination from ancient society and from
New, is it nothing or everything.

Took a 0.4g capsule of shrooms and I work as an undertaker

If there’s anything to note I’ll let you know

In this very controlled, very systematic world,

Where do you feel most free from societal constraints?

Where is it that you can be most natural and most liberated?

For items to interact in the gravitational world (or field), the item must have energy and momentum

For items to act in the electromagnetic world, the item must have electric charge

For items to act within the emotive or emotional world, emotional items must exist within the emotional framework

It appears as if there is a shared emotional framework not just among humans but among all animal species, for one animal may cause emotional change within another.

Is this framework a shared spiritual higher essence of reality?
Or is this framework the result of the deterministic evolution?

Perhaps this emotive framework in its sum and in its parts is god,
or perhaps this emotive framework is simply the result of logical conclusions about survival and selection.

It is important to note at least for myself, that here on planet we have living species, that without any clear explanation, prefer to exist rather to not.

How did pure determined particles create an ‘ought’ from an ‘is’ by creating creatures that fought to survive.

Or is it that the essence of reality birthed itself in order to live.

We act in our own benefit, even if it’s the benefit of our ‘conscious’ whatever that might mean.

I agree that people go out of their way and put themselves second.

Outside of the relative framework we love to live in, there is nothing cosmically different as far as I’ve seen between murder and kindness.

I’m not saying I live life without consideration for my actions, I’m suggesting that perhaps the lessons taught by ancient wisdom such as the bible, goes beyond the righteous structured ‘morality’

What is a moral at its finest point?

Just in general, specific or unspecific,

I remember a day a long time ago, when I was younger and I was with this nice lady at the time

Just walking and looking at the setting, was incredible

Only a few years later and I wonder if I have the capacity to enjoy something that much, least of all something so simple

To enter the kingdom of heaven you must become like a child

Walking my path

I get the sense that about half of the spiritual language used, has genuine meaning, and that there is another half that could be done without.

We often fall into the trap of describing feelings or of being in awe of states, but that takes us away from actually understanding what it is that exists within our mind.

Recently my spiritual journey has led me to examine first hand what it is that exists within my mind from my perspective, without injecting what others have said.

Anyway, psychedelics is where my focus is now, hopefully it lifts a veil in my mind and lets me see more clearly.

Also listen to ram dass if you haven’t already, he’s great.

May the simple fact that you are feeling anything at all, and sensing anything at all also, ring loud sober bells of awakening that you exist. Let us weep and mourn, smile and laugh, be curious and investigate.

Perhaps what it is, is much less relevant than the fact that it is at all. Let us be crushed by the weight of reality side by side, perhaps there we find the brightest liberation in the tightest of constraints.

I spent a lot of time wondering why live at all, until I decided that when lived correctly, life justifies itself without explanation needed. I spent time observing my behaviour until I decided free will doesn’t exist, and that I am shaped more by society than I perhaps had realised.

I am 21, I have a beautiful girlfriend who I couldn’t ask more of, I have a job I enjoy to a decent extent, working in funerals dealing with deceased people that sort of stuff.

But constantly, everyday, I attempt to escape my life in my mind, and create a plan for something ‘real’. I’m still waiting for life to start I suppose.

Whatever I think of for the future, holidays, different ways of living, different jobs, I am constantly bounded by the sense that anything I do matters no more than anything else I can do.

I’m not depressed, my emotions are decently regulated, but I cannot pick a path forward, I cannot settle my mind on a life, or a path, I am running from myself in a sense, and chasing the real me in another sense.

I can dream but I cannot hold a dream, I cannot make sense of life itself, where to put myself, what to do.

Ultimately that’s the question I want answering, what should I do, that’s why I started asking questions at all.

Is it not the man who can say without lying that he himself would not like to be otherwise, that is really enlightened. Enlightenment based in something other than what he is, not his form seeming enlightened, but his state being one of entire content and acceptance.

But then you realise, you do not have to be anything at all special, or even put together, to be this kind of enlightened.

Does anybody else get the urge or have a constant quiet pull towards the idea of living off grid for spiritual reasons.

To remove yourself from the motions of the modern mass society, and to reflect on the nature of existence from a first person perspective.

I’m not saying it’s necessarily ‘better’ just because it’s further from human creation, I’m just saying I always have the sense that doing so would offer perspective that can’t be found in general day to day.

To hunt for your own food even, to build yourself a shelter, with minimal recourses.

Is this idea something that would actually be productive? Or educational in a way?

Or is it not so significant as it seems.

It appears that a large majority of people agree that they are not the bodies processes, but that they are the observer behind them.

For a person to say this, their body (the part talking and processing language), must necessarily know that there is an observer, separate from it.

My question is this, how can an observer, with no properties of interaction, can communicate to the body that it is there.

This leads to many possible conclusions none of which I have thought about greatly although I will, one of which is that consciousness doesn’t exist and it’s an illusion of sorts.

Another perspective is that observation in experiment has actually shown to have effects at a quantum level, perhaps this effect is what drives behaviour?

To summarise if consciousness is separate from the bed of knowledge within the mind, how did it insert itself into that bed of knowledge, so that we know we are conscious?

It appears that a large majority of people agree that they are not the bodies processes, but that they are the observer behind them.

For a person to say this, their body (the part talking and processing language), must necessarily know that there is an observer, separate from it.

My question is this, how can an observer, with no properties of interaction, can communicate to the body that it is there.

This leads to many possible conclusions none of which I have thought about greatly although I will, one of which is that consciousness doesn’t exist and it’s an illusion of sorts.

Another perspective is that observation in experiment has actually shown to have effects at a quantum level, perhaps this effect is what drives behaviour?

To summarise if consciousness is separate from the bed of knowledge within the mind, how did it insert itself into that bed of knowledge, so that we know we are conscious?