
u/LarBrd33

Do they sell this hat online?
They were selling it at Cap Hill block Party in Seattle
Who do you see as the comparables to Payton Pritchard?
This is a tough one, because Pritchard spent his first 4 years clawing for a role on a great team (years 2-4 were the Finals, ECF, Championship contending window). He saw his FGA increase to 10.8 in 2024-25 and averaged 14.3ppg. Last year that increased to 13.8FGA and 17ppg.
I think some people have a perception of him as something of a TJ McConnell/Patty Mills/Donte DiVincenzo who maybe already has an inflated role relative to his talents.
They point out he's 6'1 195. But he clearly has elite scoring talent and has proven in small sample sizes he can still score with heightened role. In 10 games without either Tatum or Brown last season he saw his FGA increase to 20 and he averaged 25.2ppg on 48.5%/44% shooting. Team went 8-2.
So on the extreme end you have people questioning if he could be like (5'9 185lb) Isaiah Thomas with an increased role. In his 3 year stretch with Boston he saw his FGA increase from 13.6 (19ppg) to 16.9 (22.2ppg) to 19.4 (28.9ppg)
Obviously people have brought up 6'2 190 Jalen Brunson who went from averaging 12.8 fga in Luka's offense (16.3 ppg) to becoming the driving force of the Knicks offense (17.6-21.4fga = 24-28.7ppg)
I wonder if it's more of a middle ground? How about 6'0 197lb Fred VanVleet who had a three year stretch where his FGA increased to 16.1-16.9 and averaged 19.3-20.3ppg.
Maybe the most direct comp is actually 6'1, 190lb Terry Rozier. We saw a glimpse of him having a green light in 2017-18 playoffs where he averaged 14 fga and 16.5 ppg (extremely similar to Pritchard's stats this season), but the next year saw himself struggle to have a role seeing his FGA drop to 8.4 and his points drop to 9ppg. He immediately saw his role increase in Charlotte (14.9fga/18ppg) followed by a half decade of him averaging 16-19fga and 19-23ppg.
I've been wondering for a while what Pritchard would look like if giving the Rozier-esque green light on a shitty team. How do you compare those two as players? With Brown gone it does seem like Pritchard could see his FGA increase from 13.8 into the 15-17 range, right?
PSA - Avoid buying Xfinity Pods. They are poorly made and there are better options.
I bought two xfinity pods probably around 2024. They sell them for $120 each: https://www.xfinity.com/learn/internet-service/wifi/wifi-extender
They worked as intended, but both of them independently in different rooms started making extremely annoying screeching noises. I've googled this and this appears to be a common issue.
Pod 1: https://youtu.be/Be3DQ048TN0
Pod 2: https://youtu.be/XnSkamKq4tc
There is no known fix for this. It's not a dust issue. I've blown air in them. There's no sign of dust or hair or anything of the sort. I've also taken them apart and ruled out the internal cooling fan as the cause. It's something deeper inside the cheaply made mechanics causing the issue.
If your pods are over a year old, Xfinity will tell you you're out of warranty and there is nothing they can do.
Also worth mentioning that the ethernet ports on these pods can only do 1 gigabit so if youre paying for higher speed, any device connected through these pods will be limited. This is something I wish I had realized, because I spent two years paying for 2gig speed while never getting close to that and after multiple fruitless xfinity tech support calls just assumed it was the ethernet wiring in my house when in reality it was because I was connecting devices through those pods.
There was no way I was buying this again just for it to have the same issue again in a year or two. I tried giving them away on Facebook Marketplace and nobody wanted to deal with that grating noise so I just trashed them.
A rep at the Xfinity store outright admitted to me they were junk and suggested I buy a mesh network instead. I ended up doing that. There's lots of highly rated options from netgear, eero and TP-Link. I went with TP-Link Deco 7 Pro BE63 which had been on sale for about $115 per device. Each device has four 2.5 gigabit ethernet ports and these things make no noise.
But seriously how many PPG does Pritchard have to average to outscore Jaylen this year?
I posted about this a few weeks ago about how if Pritchard gets 3-5 more shots per game (17ppg on 13 fga last season), he’s going to be a 20+ scorer and then it’s just a matter of how many shots Brown sacrifices on Philly.
Obviously Embiid’s health matters. Whether or not Brown’s addition stunts Edgecombe’s development matters. Consider Edgecombe averaged 16ppg on 13fga, but he’s she same age Tatum went from a 15ppg to 23ppg scorer with more shot attempts.
LeBron’s addition matters.
Last season:
Bron 15fga
Edgecombe 13fga
Maxey 21 fga
Embiid 18 fga
Brown almost certainly isnt going to average 22fga like last season with all those mouths to feed.
So what’s the target PPG for Pritchard to leapfrog him?
Custom sticker creation for my weird little theater remote idea?
Sorry if this isn't what this sub is for, but I wondered if anyone had advice on getting custom stickers created/printed (or if someone can create some for me I can buy).
I can explain my weird little project.
We have this little theater room we set up in our house: https://imgur.com/pw5sqVf
We love it. I set up a bunch of automations so you say things like "Alexa, It's showtime" it will turn on the lights to a certain setting, turn on the receiver and projector, etcs, but the room still has these light switches next to the door that will kill the power to the smartlights: https://imgur.com/bq5H0YD
It's an ultimate 1st world problem, but those switches shouldn't normally be touched and when I have visitors over they will flip them and it can take me a bit to get all of them working properly again.
So I got this idea to just cover it with a picture frame that lists off the Theater commands (don't kill me, but I had some help from AI to design this concept: https://imgur.com/iQ4MF25 ) and then there's a cheap little 4 button remote I am going to mount next to it that I programmed to various Alexa routines.
Here's the proof of concept with stuff just printed from my crappy printer: https://imgur.com/TRiznGJ
Main issue is that my printer quality is terrible and my sticker paper also looks pretty bad. I can just head to CVS to have a higher quality photo glossy version of that "theater commands" sign printed, but you can see the stickers on the remote itself just look pretty bad: https://imgur.com/WZJ8xkL
I had gone back and forth with AI trying to figure out what the actual stickers should look like. The remote is kind of weirdly shaped and only about 8.5cm long and 3.5cm tall. The buttons also aren't the same size with the top/bottom being larger than the middle two. So I think 1.5cm x 1.5cm square stickers probably makes the most sense. This was the design that I got from AI: https://imgur.com/97iu5J2 ... The "Grimy" didn't look great on the remote (especially with my bad printer). The bottom ones would probably work fine. Something simple. I was just going to go to FedEx and see if they have a way of printing higher quality stickers that looks less like paper, but figured I'd see if sticker enthusiasts here had some other ideas.
Are we defenders of the 2nd apron now?
Now that Boston is the lone use case of tearing apart a title team and trading away a home grown star primarily due to these excessive repeater taxes and aprons, how do we feel about the sudden outcry about them?
Seems like they are pushing to make changes before a team like OKC, Spurs or Philly get hit with the same reality of being unable to afford their roster.
But fuck those teams. Are we pro Taxman now?
Just set up home assistant for my home theater and trying to understand alexa options
Basically I have a little home theater with a Denon receiver, smart lights, various input devices (roku, nintendo, ps5, bluray) and a Sony projector.
Most of those devices I've been able to control without issue with my alexa. I set up a little routine where I'd say "alexa, it's showtime" and it would turn on the denon receiver and the smart lights, but I'd still have to turn on the Sony projector manually with a remote.
The projector is connected via ethernet, but there's no way to control it with alexa
Denon uses some "HEOS" app integration for alexa, but it's garbage and the only thing I can do with it is turn the denon on and off. I can't make it work for switching inputs.
I was trying to fix the input issue and went down the rabbit hole of home assistant.
I've gone as far as to install home assistant on my Mac Studio, got it to see the Denon receiver properly and do things like switch inputs which is cool, got it to recognize my sony projector (had to update the configuration.yaml file) and successfully found it within integrations and was able to turn it off and on.
Have the Home Assistant app running on my phone and was able to do all the same stuff.
Seems like I got through a lot of hurdles. But now I'm trying to figure out how do I take the next step and make it so my alexa will see these devices so I can do things like say:
"Alexa it's showtime": -
- turns on the lights the way I want them (alexa can do that natively)
- turns on the sony projector (home assistant can do this)
- changes the input on my denon to the roku (home assistant can do this)
or "alexa, nintendo"
- play the "mario level complete" song via spotify (alexa can do that natively)
- switches the input on the denon (home assistant can do this)
... stuff like that
I asked ChatGPT and Gemini and they said there's some paid option, but then I saw something about tricking your alexa into thinking home assistant is a phillips hue, and then another thing about a matter intergration... just a little confused at this point on what's the obvious next step like whether I should be building automations with home assistant that alexa can trigger or doing some kind of workaround where these devices are accessible within alexa the way I want them
Real routes to use the TPE while staying under the 1st apron
I have to give credit to /u/aceking555 because his recent post covered a lot of the same ground, but after going back and forth with him in the comments, it got me exploring different scenarios and I want to expand on what he's saying with more detail and depth.
Let's start here:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly
15 players (minimum is 14)
Current salary: $201,523,752
Luxury tax line: $200,428,000 (currently 1,095,752 over)
1st Apron: $209,015,000 (currently 7,491,248 under)
2nd Apron: $221,686,000
Luxury tax problem: First point of emphasis for those who still aren't clear on it, we are currently over the luxury tax line. That's a problem. Boston’s years above the luxury-tax line made it a “repeater” taxpayer. That triggers significantly higher, escalating penalties for every dollar spent over the line. Instead of paying the standard $1.00 per dollar in the first tax bracket, a repeater starts at $3.00 per dollar, with the rates growing increasingly brutal as payroll rises. Boston got under the tax in 2025–26, and staying under again in 2026–27 would complete its reset, allowing the team to return to the tax in 2027–28 without paying repeater rates. Teams below the line also avoid the tax entirely and can receive a share of the money collected from taxpaying teams. Boston is about 1 million over this line right now.
Luxury tax solution: Dalano Banton's 2.8 mil contract is entirely unguaranteed so they can waive him and remove his money from the books. This seems to be the most likely outcome for the season. It would get us down to the minimum 14 players and $198,722,406 under contract.
To be clear, that's probably the most likely scenario here.
Brad and Bill made it clear in their press conference that if they saw a move that made us a better team, they aren't completely against the idea of going over the luxury tax this season. My guess is, it would have to be a significant opportunity and player. More likely, we just stay under the tax, but if they genuinely thought "hey people are underrating how good Paul George will be, this is a 60 win team as-is, this one last piece makes us a legit contender", maybe they consider a move.
Let's explore it.
TPE offers some flexibility: Because of the Simons trade, we have a $27,678,000 Traded player exception that would theoretically allow us to trade picks for a player and use that TPE to absorb their salary. We have February to use it.
1st Apron Hard Cap Problem: Naturally, fans wonder if that means we could trade 2-3 picks for Trey Murphy (27 mil contract). Problem is, even if we waive Banton we're at 198,722,406 mil under contract and after signing Mitchell Robinson using the Full Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception, we are hard-capped at the 1st apron ($209,015,000) meaning that even with Banton waived, we only have $10,292,594 of room. Meaning, we could theoretically waive Banton and trade picks for a guy making 10.2 mil using a portion of the TPE to absorb his salary, but it would be impossible to take on more without sending out additional salary.
Sending out salary can help: From here you can then start to brainstorm ideas similar to what u/aceking555 outlined in his post where Boston sends out additional salary to give them the opportunity to use more of the TPE. Obviously, if Boston were to move George, White or Pritchard, the math becomes a lot easier here, but if we're assuming Boston keeps those 3, here's how I'd think about it...
- Scenario 1 - Just waive Banton = $10,292,594 of room we could use of the TPE so you can start to look at free agents (via sign-and-trade) or current players that fit.
- Scenario 2 - Waive Banton and send out Hauser (10.8) in a deal: Now you're looking at roughly $21,140,809 of the TPE you could utilize. Current players making less or S&T targets willing to take that as a starting salary are now in play.
- Scenario 3 - Waive Banton and send out Hauser (10.8) + Garza (2.8): Here it becomes interesting, because in theory that would get you to $23,942,155 to target an individual, but there's a catch... getting rid of 3 roster spots to add 1 leaves us with only 13 players under contract. We'd need at least 14 under contract and the absolute minimum we could probably give someone would be a rookie with 0 years of service at around $1,358,084. So even if you shave 2.8 of Garza, you have to replace that roster spot with someone making 1.35 meaning we're at $22,584,071 of the TPE you can use.
- Scenario 4 - Waive Banton and send out Hauser (10.8) + Garza (2.8) + Walsh (2.4): Like Banton, Walsh is non-guaranteed and we could just waive him to remove his salary. For the purpose of this exercise let's say we send him out (either via trade or waive). Similar rule applies above where you still need to replace that salary with a 0 years of service rookie making around 1.35 mil. So you're now at $23,632,192.
Just a side note, that with Scenario 4, some are going to push back on the idea of dropping Walsh. It should be noted that mid season these options will remain in play and by then Mike Conley (also around 2.4 mil) is a possible sub-in for Walsh in the concept.
Denver as an example: You can expand these concepts to any team, but for fun let's just use Denver for all of them. As aceking555 pointed out, their salary situation makes them an interesting trade partner to consider hypotheticals. As-is, the Nuggets are currently sitting at 211 mil on the books with only 9 players under contract. That puts him over the 1st apron and a stone's throw away from the 2nd apron. In theory, they are going to be looking to alleviate salary.
- Scenario 1 example: Say we just waived Banton, Boston could in theory make a deal with Denver and absorb the salary of Jonas Valančiūnas (10 mil). Not that Boston would do this, but it's one example. Is there a guy in the league making less than 10.2 that this would be worth doing for? Edit: Denver just waived him since only 2 mil of his contract was guaranteed, but I was mostly using it as an illustration of the salary range of talent
- Scenario 2 example: Peyton Watson allegedly wants 25 mil per year. It sounds like Denver is more interested in giving him 20 mil per year. Denver also is open to doing a sign-and-trade. With a sign-and-trade, a player is limited to 4 year deals at 5% annual increase. Let's say Boston waives Banton and sends out Hauser and picks in the deal. The max we could make work would be giving Watson a first year salary of $21,140,809. Next 3 years would be $22,197,849, $23,254,889, $24,311,929 for a total payout of 4 years 90.9 million. Slight hiccup here is that doing this deal has base year compensation restrictions on Denver trading Watson where for the purpose of matching salary on the Denver side, Watson only counts as 50% of his new contract (10.5 mil) and can't take back more than they send out in a trade because they are a 1st apron team. Meaning, either Boston would need to find a 3rd team for Hauser or if Denver wanted Hauser they'd also have to send out a small contract to a 3rd team.
- Scenario 3 example: As a variation on above, if Boston were to waive Banton and also send out Hauser + Garza, they could offer Peyton Watson a starting salary of $22,584,071. His next 3 years would be $23,7113,275, $24,842,479, $25,971,683. Total contract value 4 years 97.1 mil. Annual average of 24.2 mil (close to his reported ask of 25 mil/year). Watson reportedly wants more than Christian Braun's 5 year 125 mil deal which would be difficult given the financial situation. But fwiw, if you just look at the first 4 years of Braun's contract, it actually works out to 4 years 96.5 mil (first year salary of $21,551,726) so technically it WOULD pay him more especially if the contract has a player option where he could opt out after his 3rd year and get a larger deal. One last point here is that at a starting salary of $22,584,071, due to base year compensation, Denver can take back $11,292,035 without issue. So they COULD take Hauser (10.8) back directly. However, Boston would probably have to find a third team to offload Garza.
- Scenario 4 example: Alternatively if you were to waive Banton and send out Hauser, Garza and Walsh, Boston could trade for Cameron Johnson ($23,062,500 expiring contract) using the $23,632,192 in available TPE space. For what it's worth, I saw a random thread on the Nuggets sub where a fan had suggested trading Johnson for Hauser and two second rounders. Technically this would work. Would Walsh be a suitable replacement for the two 2nd rounders? Even if Denver took on Hauser + Walsh, it cuts 10.4 mil from their books
Quick Note on Murphy: Fwiw, I just don't see any mathematical route we could trade picks for Murphy and use that full 27.6 mil TPE unless we also traded out one of our larger contracts like George, White or Pritchard. You can play with hypotheticals like George (54 mi) + Hauser (10.8) + filler + picks for Zion (42.1) and Murphy (27 mil) which we could probably make work financially and would intrigue of people, but I'm basing this on the idea Boston keeping George. George (54) + a buttload of picks for Murphy (27 mil absorbed with the TPE, Herb Jones (14.8 mil) + Saddiq Bey (6.5 mil) works and generates a new 35 mil TPE, but again I'm basing the idea George stays. You could trade White for Murphy and use the TPE to absorb Murphy while generating a new 30.3 mil TPE for sending out White, but obviously nobody wants to trade out White. If Pritchard is part of the outgoing salary picture, you can do a lot more, but clearly nobody wants to do that.
Big picture why consider any of this?: I'll repeat that it would seem the most likely route is just staying under the luxury line. However, I do wonder if how the Paul George thing is being marketed (we're going to use his big fat expiring contract + picks to land a star) is a bit of a pipe dream. It's certainly a possibility, but part of me wonders if instead it's just as likely that George ends up fitting in really well in Boston and being a valuable player. What if adding a guy like Watson is the final piece to push us over the top and George contributes to a deep playoff run? Remember, Horford was 37 when we won a title with him. Can 36 year old George stay healthy and make a similar impact? And if so, is there a route here where next Summer, with no real superstar trade market developing, we convince George to opt out of the final 56.5 mil year of his deal and sign a long-term deal with Boston? For instance 3 years 75 mil descending salary where he gets paid 26.3 mil, 25 mil, 23.6 mil from ages 37-39. Or maybe even 3 years 90 mil descending salary paying him 31.5, 30, 28.4 mil. I'd think Paul would take the guaranteed money rather than take 56.5 mil and risk making up the 18.5 to 33.5 mil difference as a 38 year old free agent in 2028-29.
At that point, assuming we just hang onto George with him on the books for 26-31 mil in 2027-28, maybe he still ends up a tradeable contract, but if Boston also had a guy like Watson under contract at 22-23 mil and White (32.5 mil expiring at that point unless we've extended him) and Pritchard (8.3 mil expiring at that point unless we've extended him), there would still be lots of options for including players and picks in trades. Or alternatively, we just hang onto the cost-controlled team and run it back if we're having success.
[Scotto] Due to lack of buyers, the Pelicans have recently lowered Trey Murphy's asking price from 4 first round picks to 3
>Following the blockbuster Jaylen Brown trade, there are those within league circles wondering if New Orleans Pelicans forward Trey Murphy III will be the next big trade domino to fall.
>Before this past trade deadline, the Golden State Warriors, Detroit Pistons, Atlanta Hawks, Indiana Pacers, Portland Trail Blazers, San Antonio Spurs, and Los Angeles Lakers called to express interest in trading for Murphy, as previously reported by HoopsHype.
>Some teams have faded from the Murphy trade conversation. Indiana got Ivica Zubac before the trade deadline. Portland acquired Ja Morant. San Antonio went to the NBA Finals and has since agreed to deals with forwards Harrison Barnes and Tobias Harris in free agency. The Lakers just made a flurry of offseason moves.
>Teams that are in the mix for Murphy to varying degrees now are the Celtics, Pistons, Warriors, Clippers, and Hawks, league sources told HoopsHype.
>The Celtics have monitored Murphy’s trade market, and following the Brown trade for Paul George, two first-round picks, and two second-round picks, they have gained extra draft capital that New Orleans has desired in any trade talks.
>The Pistons have consistently circled the wagons on Murphy in trade talks, but felt the price was too high. With the asking price dropping from the equivalent of four to three first-round picks in any Murphy trade talks recently, will Detroit have more of an appetite to make a trade following the loss of Tobias Harris in free agency?
There is a non zero chance Pritchard averages more points than Brown next season
It's certainly not a likely scenario, but a potentially funny one. Maybe Philly immediately becomes "Jaylen's team" and he continues last season's trend of being "the man".
Brown averaged 28.7 points with .477/.347/.795 shooting (.573 TS%)
Obviously, being only behind Luka in usage (35.1%) and shot attempts (21.7 FGA) league wide leads to a lot of scoring opportunities.
Start with looking at Maxey who last season was only a hair behind Brown in shot attempts at #3 in the league 21.4. He averaged just a hair less points (28.3). .462/.367/.892. TS% of .588. Usage was 29.4%.
Bottom line is that Maxey scored about the same amount of points, but with higher shooting efficiency and that should make him the #1 option with Brown slotting in as the Robin to his Batman. Since Brown has reached stardom, we saw his Robin stats fluctuate from 20.3 ppg (2019-20) to 26.6 ppg (2023)
In 2024, when Brown was the 2nd option a team with Tatum (26.9 points - 19.3 FGA), Porzingis (20.1 points - 13.2 FGA), White (15.1 points - 11.5 FGA) and Holiday (12.5 points - 10FGA), he took 17.9 shots and on great efficiency (.499/.354 with .580 TS%) averaged 23 ppg. Usage was 28.3%
Embiid's health and Edgecombe's growth are obviously big factors here as well.
A big reason for Maxey's scoring explosion was that Embiid's last 3 seasons he's played 39, 19, and 38 games. Probably that trend continues. Embiid's usage the last 3 injury prone seasons = (33.6%, 34.2%, 38.7%). Embiid took 18.3 FGA last season. When last healthy, he was taking 19-22 shots per night on .655 TS% (higher than both Maxey and Brown). Is there a chance that Embiid puts together a stretch of healthy games and that actually knocks Brown to the Batgirl to Maxey/Embiid's Batman and Robin? We've never seen what 3rd option Jaylen Brown averages for field goal attempts.
Edgecombe is also one to keep an eye on. Behind Embiid, Maxey and George last season, his usage was only 20.1%. He averaged 16 points on .438/.354/.818 on 13.7 FGA and a.540 TS%. However, keep in mind he was only 20 years old and obviously has huge potential. Consider someone like Jayson Tatum who as a 20 year old averaged very similar stats (15.7 points on 13.1 FGA and .547 TS%). The next season he took a leap and averaged 23.4 points on 18.6 FGA with .567 TS%. Presumably Edgecombe will keep developing. Will he make a leap? At what point in Jaylen's 3 year contract does Edgecombe leapfrog him as a talent? Is there a small chance that Brown actually gets knocked down to the Alfred Pennyworth to Maxey/Embiid/Edgecombe's Batman/Robin/Batgirl?
Then of course the small tiny possibility they also add LeBron on his retirement tour. LeBron averaged 15 FGA last season with .594 TS%.
At some point, there's just too many mouths. Consider when in 2008 Boston formed a big 3. KG went from 17.6 FGA to 13.9 FGA, Pierce went from to 18.1 FGA to 13.7 FGA, and Ray went from to 21 FGA to 13.5 FGA and all of them averaged under 20ppg.
Again, perhaps Brown just takes over that offense, everyone else falls in line, and they flourish with Brown proving he's a legit MVP candidate. Or maybe, just maybe, he sees a big decrease in his offensive output. This could either be a positive thing with him willingly accepting a 3rd-4th banana role, or a source of conflict, but it's still a possibility.
Pritchard, on the other hand, may continue to just come off Boston's bench and continue his trend last season of averaging 17 ppg on 13.8 FGA with .464/.377/.890 and TS% of .584. Pritchard's usage had been behind Brown, White and also Simons and Tatum when they played at 21.5%. When Brown sat (only 10 game sample size where Boston won 8 games), we saw Pritchard's usage jump to 29% and his output increase to 25.2 points, 20 FGA with excellent 485/.444/.957 shooting splits. I think the big questions here is that with Brown out of the mix, does this elevate Pritchard's offensive role? Will he continue coming off the bench? Did Boston just see a similar sized Brunson win a title and gain confidence Payton is ready to take on the challenge of being Boston's 2nd option? If Tatum's recovery proves to be a problem and he misses more games, who is is more likely to get the keys to the offense in his absence - Pritchard or 36 year old George?
Is there a chance here that Payton Pritchard ends up averaging around 24 while Brown averages 22? Maybe not, but it's a fun thought exercise here. It's also fun to think of how the media/fans, who seemingly put more weight into bulk stats like PPG over advanced stats, will start to see these two players. On the extremely unlikely end, is there some hilarious outcome where Pritchard gets more all-nba votes than Brown?
TL;DR: Simple usage and shot attempt distribution could see an unlikely scenario where Philly has too many mouths to feed Brown his usual shot meals while Pritchard is eating well on the new look Boston.
There's a lot to be excited about this season
Many of you are upset and I get it, but if the advanced stats are right we'll be more than fine and I'm genuinely extremely pumped and excited for this coming season.
Even if you're not one of these nerds who thinks Brown is the 87th best player in the league because of some equation, at best he's generously in the 10-20 range and taking this team that played at a 50 win pace with him at the helm (36-22 before Tatum returned) and swapping him out with Tatum (literally a top 5 player when he was healthy) + Mitchell + Paul George is a huge upgrade that should push us to 60+ wins on paper.
Tatum: Obviously it hinges on Tatum first and foremost and his healthy. The playoffs were encouraging until they weren't. We saw him average 23.3 points, 10.7 rebounds, 6.8 assists, 1.2 steals with 47.5%/36.5% shooting, but get shut down Game 7. We won the only two games he lead the team in shot attempts. The only game he lead the team in usage, we won by 32. Even when he was working off rust, we saw him go 13-3 in the regular season. Since 2019-20 when both he and Brown were considered "stars", Tatum has averaged 28.4 points, 7.9 rebounds, 4.5 assists 46%/37% shooting in 83 games without Brown (basically a full season). The team won 58 games. By comparison, Brown won at a 48 win pace without Tatum. There's some real potential for an MVP campaign here with him averaging 30+. While obviously Tatum had a lot of success with Brown in the mix, in a way, it's like when the Warriors broke up the Steph and Monta Ellis pairing. Could we see a big leap with the team just fully embracing the Tatum-centric identity?
White: He remains a phenomenal winning player who was 1st team all-defense and top 3 in the league in plus minus. Obviously he had a bad shooting season (39.4% FG and 32.7% 3pt), but even if that trend continued he's basically a rich man's Marcus Smart (career averages of 38.9%/32.4%). In the three seasons prior, White had shot 46.2%/38.1%, 46.1%/39.6%, 44.2%/38.4%. Clearly being asked to be the 2nd option and not having Tatum's gravity to feed off made a difference. We saw signs of it returning as Tatum returned to form. White shot 47.8%/42.4% over the final 6 games of the regular season. He struggled again in the playoffs, but Brown was back to being the usage leader in those games. In the one playoff game Tatum lead the team in usage, White was a solid 50% from three.
Pritchard: Even with the larger role and no Tatum, his efficiency held up as he averaged 17, 5 and 4 for the season with 46%/38% shooting. Boston went 9-2 in games Brown missed (mostly against solid teams like the Suns, Hawks, Orlando, Charlotte, Houston, Toronto). Pritchard stepped up in those games averaging 25.2 points, 7 assists, 4.8 rebound with 48%/44% shooting. You have to wonder if he could succeed with an elevated role in the offense similar to the Isaiah season. Did Boston watch Brunson (not much bigger than Pritchard) win a title and gain confidence in PP as the #2? They'd likely look at some of the pick and roll action Brunson did with Mitchell and incorporate it.
Mitchell: Interior defense, long, mobile, lob threat, elite rebounder. Has flaws, but fills an obvious need.
Paul George: If healthy, he's still really good. Destroyed us in the playoffs. I think Embiid summed it up well after George was suspended last season: "Embiid told reporters it would be "impossible" to replace George as the Sixers prepare to make a playoff push without one of their key starters. "I know people have mixed feelings about what he brings to the table," Embiid said. "You can't replace it. (He) does everything for us. Defensively, probably our best perimeter defender. Offensively, can play so many roles. Knock down shots. Post up. Creation. Playmaking." He will not be looking to generate his own shot like Brown. Has a much lower usage, but remains a versatile offensive player who shoots a much higher percentage from three (39%) compared to Brown (34% the past 4 years). He was 3rd on his team in plus minus (Jaylen was 5th), he was 2nd on his team in defensive rating (Jaylen was 4th)
Hugo: Really interested to see his development and whether he can earn a major rotation role. Boston obviously is really high on him. Good to have a young guy you have some hope for the future with.
Baylor: He looked better and better as the season progressed and put up some decent numbers in the 20 games he started (9.6 points, 5.9 rebounds, 2.9 assists). Following a common trend, he looked even better in the 11 games without Brown averaging 11.6 points on 48.9%/43.5% shooting.
Cenac Jr: I'm definitely curious if this can be a sleeper pick. Good size. Boston has had success in the past drafting guys who were top recruits coming out of High School, but struggled as College Freshman. Avery Bradley for instance was the 4th ranked recruit. Cenac was ranked 6th in his high school class. Excited to see how he looks.
Trade Potential: We picked up what might be a quality 2028 Clippers pick. Maybe it's mediocre. Maybe it's franchise altering. It could be the centerpiece asset, but over the next 18 months, Boston is going to be well positioned to try and package that George contract with 4-10 picks and target any star that becomes available. Hopefully, one that better compliments Tatum's skills.
Should be a great season. Can't wait.
LeBron played 14 less games as a Laker (542) than Embiid has played as 76er (556)
You could also just say LeBron played more games as a Laker (542) than all-stars like Yao Ming (514) Bill Walton (468), Brandon Roy (326), Ralph Sampson (494), Arvydas Sabonis (522), or Andrew Bynum (465) played in their entire careers, but it's interesting comparing it to a modern player held in high esteem.
Including playoffs, LeBron played 542 games as a Laker. That's only 14 fewer games than Embiid has played in his entire career (556). Had he stayed with LA, Laker LeBron probably would have surpassed Embiid's games played this coming season.
However, it's interesting looking at LeBron's Laker-exclusive career and comparing it to Embiid.
Playoff series wins: Embiid = 6. Laker LeBron = 7
All-Star Teams: Embiid = 7. Laker LeBron = 8
First Team All-NBA: Embiid = 2. Laker LeBron 1
Second Team All-NBA: Embiid = 4. Laker LeBron = 2
Third Team All-NBA: Embiid = 0. Laker LeBron = 4
Total All-NBA = Embiid 6. Laker LeBron = 7
Conference Finals: Embiid = 0, Laker LeBron = 2
Championships: Embiid = 0. Laker LeBron = NBA Champion, NBA Cup Champion
MVPS: Embiid = 1 Regular Season MVP. Laker LeBron = NBA Finals MVP, NBA Cup MVP
People may think of LeBron's Laker tenure as the weakest of his 4 careers, but that's actually wildly impressive in isolation. A good question is if Laker LeBron and Embiid retired right now, would both be locks for the Hall of Fame?
Statistically, the three worst FMVP of all-time were Jaylen Brown, Wes Unseld and Andre Iguodala
Given how much weight people put into Finals MVP, it's interesting how small the voting pool is (11 people) and how subjective the voting criteria is. Sometimes it goes to whoever scored the most points. Sometimes it's just based on intangible vibes and narrative.
As an example, the year Jaylen Brown won, the votes were 7-4. You had people like Doris Burke, Boston's beat writer, and Malika Andrews voting for Tatum while the Dallas beat writer and some guy from Italy were the difference makers for Brown. Tatum had lead the team in points, rebounds, and assists, but Brown came through in some key moments and there's a belief voters were sympathetic to him after not selecting him for any of the all-nba teams that season.
There's other weird years like 2015 where Andre Iguodala received 7 votes with the other 4 going to LeBron James from the losing team. This despite the fact Steph Curry, statistically, was the obvious choice from the Warriors.
These awards also tend to ignore overall system importance, defensive impact (Ben Wallace and KG may have had cases), how one player's gravity could result in a sidekick scoring more (Maxwell won over Bird), but if you were to just rank all Finals MVPs using basic counting stats, it's interesting to see how these tiny sample size FMVP campaigns stack up against each other.
To make it simple I just looked at the EFF stat (PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK − Missed FG − Missed FT - TO) / GP). A couple important notes, though. The league didn't track steals or blocks until 1973-74. They didn't track turnovers until 1977. So anything prior to 1978 is getting a "0" for those stats.
| Rank | Year | Player | Team | Calculated EFF |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 2021 | Giannis Antetokounmpo | MIL | 41.4 |
| 2 | 2023 | Nikola Jokić | DEN | 41.0 |
| 3 | 1977 | Bill Walton* | POR | 40.0 |
| 4 | 1971 | Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* | MIL | 39.5 |
| 5 | 2017 | Kevin Durant | GSW | 39.0 |
| 6 | 1991 | Michael Jordan | CHI | 38.8 |
| 7 | 2000 | Shaquille O'Neal | LAL | 38.8 |
| 8 | 2018 | Kevin Durant | GSW | 38.6 |
| 9 | 2020 | LeBron James | LAL | 38.1 |
| 10 | 1987 | Magic Johnson | LAL | 38.1 |
| 11 | 2002 | Shaquille O'Neal | LAL | 38.0 |
| 12 | 1972 | Wilt Chamberlain* | LAL | 36.8 |
| 13 | 2016 | LeBron James | CLE | 36.7 |
| 14 | 1993 | Michael Jordan | CHI | 36.6 |
| 15 | 2001 | Shaquille O'Neal | LAL | 36.6 |
| 16 | 2003 | Tim Duncan | SAS | 36.3 |
| 17 | 1995 | Hakeem Olajuwon | HOU | 34.0 |
| 18 | 1969 | Jerry West* | LAL | 33.7 |
| 19 | 1986 | Larry Bird | BOS | 33.7 |
| 20 | 1984 | Larry Bird | BOS | 33.3 |
| 21 | 1983 | Moses Malone | PHI | 33.2 |
| 22 | 1999 | Tim Duncan | SAS | 33.0 |
| 23 | 1980 | Magic Johnson | LAL | 32.6 |
| 24 | 1992 | Michael Jordan | CHI | 32.0 |
| 25 | 2012 | LeBron James | MIA | 31.4 |
| 26 | 1985 | Kareem Abdul-Jabbar | LAL | 31.3 |
| 27 | 1994 | Hakeem Olajuwon | HOU | 31.2 |
| 28 | 2019 | Kawhi Leonard | TOR | 31.1 |
| 29 | 2013 | LeBron James | MIA | 30.8 |
| 30 | 2006 | Dwyane Wade | MIA | 30.2 |
| 31 | 2022 | Stephen Curry | GSW | 29.9 |
| 32 | 1997 | Michael Jordan | CHI | 28.6 |
| 33 | 1995 | Rick Barry* | GSW | 28.5 |
| 34 | 1990 | Isiah Thomas | DET | 28.2 |
| 35 | 2009 | Kobe Bryant | LAL | 28.2 |
| 36 | 1982 | Magic Johnson | LAL | 27.8 |
| 37 | 2025 | Shai Gilgeous-Alexander | OKC | 27.1 |
| 38 | 1974 | John Havlicek* | BOS | 26.2 |
| 39 | 1989 | Joe Dumars | DET | 25.9 |
| 40 | 2010 | Kobe Bryant | LAL | 24.5 |
| 41 | 2011 | Dirk Nowitzki | DAL | 24.0 |
| 42 | 2005 | Tim Duncan | SAS | 23.6 |
| 43 | 1970 | Willis Reed* | NYK | 23.4 |
| 44 | 1979 | Dennis Johnson | SEA | 23.2 |
| 45 | 2026 | Jalen Brunson | NYK | 23.0 |
| 46 | 1998 | Michael Jordan | CHI | 22.8 |
| 47 | 1976 | Jo Jo White* | BOS | 22.5 |
| 48 | 2014 | Kawhi Leonard | SAS | 22.4 |
| 49 | 1988 | James Worthy | LAL | 22.4 |
| 50 | 1996 | Michael Jordan | CHI | 21.8 |
| 51 | 2004 | Chauncey Billups | DET | 21.8 |
| 52 | 1981 | Cedric Maxwell | BOS | 21.5 |
| 53 | 1973 | Willis Reed* | NYK | 20.4 |
| 54 | 2007 | Tony Parker | SAS | 20.3 |
| 55 | 2024 | Jaylen Brown | BOS | 19.8 |
| 56 | 1978 | Wes Unseld | WAS | 19.6 |
| 57 | 2015 | Andre Iguodala | GSW | 18.1 |
I took this a little further, because I had some questions about specific years.
1969 - Jerry West (33.71) won despite playing for the losing team. Both John Havlicek (29.86) and Bill Russell (28.57) likely would have been better candidates. Hondo averaged 28.3 points, 11 rebounds, 4.4 assists while Russell averaged 9.1 points, 21.1 rebounds, 5.1 assists. Especially when you consider that any blocks Russell had during that series weren't counted.
1978 - Elvin Hayes (24.29) should have won over Unseld (19.57). This probably explains why Unseld ranks bottom 2. Unseld averaged 9 points, 11.7 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 0.6 steals, 0.1 blocks while Hayes averaged 20.7 points, 11.9 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 2 blocks, 1.6 steals. Unseld's selection ranks bottom 3.
1981 - Larry Bird (27.83) should have won over Cedric Maxwell (21.50). This is one of those classic ones where it's clear defenses were hyper focused on Bird (15.3 points, 15.3 rebounds, 7 assists, 2.3 steals with 42% shooting) which allowed Maxwell to edge him out in points/efficiency (17.7 points, 9.5 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 56.8% shooting). But fwiw, Maxwell still ranked outside the bottom 5.
1988 - Magic (32.86) should have won over Worth (22.0). Magic averaged 21.1 points, 5.7 rebounds, 13 assists, 2 steals with 55% shooting. Worthy averaged 22 points, 7.4 rebounds, 4.4 assists with 49% shooting. Worthy got this vote, because he had a huge game 7, which is understandable, but it speaks to recency bias of voters. It's not a Game 7 Finals MVP award, it's a Finals MVP award.
1989 - I was curious about Joe Dumars (25.75) winning over Isiah Thomas given Dumars is one example of a team's "2nd best player" winning, but statistically it seems Dumars deserved his award: 27.3 points, 6 assists with 57.6% shooting vs Isiah averaging 21.3 points, 7.3 assists, 1.5 steals with 48% shooting
2004 - Billups (21.80) seems to have fairly won it over Ben Wallace (17.80). Billups (21 points, 3.2 rebounds, 5.2 assists) obviously averaged more points than Ben Wallace (10.8 points, 13.6 rebounds, 1.8 steals, 1 block), but I do wonder if the the various beat writers and ESPN talking heads of the time had accurately looked at defensive impact of Wallace and how it drove the engine of that team, if Wallace would have gotten more consideration.
2007 - Duncan (23.0) had a case to win it over Parker (20.25). This is another good example of the team's actual most valuable player/engine losing votes to the guy who scored more. Duncan averaged 18.3 points, 11.5 rebounds, 3.8 assists, 1.3 steals, 2.3 blocks with 44.6% shooting. Parker averaged 24.5 points, 5 rebounds, 3.3 assists with 56.8% shooting.
2008 - Just like the year prior, arguably KG (23.17) had a case over Pierce (20.67) given how important KG was to that team's defensive identity. KG averaged 18.2 points, 13 rebounds, 3 assists, 1.7 steals, 1 block on 43% shooting. Pierce averaged 21.8points, 4.5 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 1.2 steals with 43% shooting.
2010 - Pau Gasol(26.14) maybe had a small case over Kobe (24.57). You can sort of look at this as an inverse of 1988. If Worthy got the nod because of his game 7 performance, should Kobe have gotten knocked for going 6-24 in Game 7? For the series, Pau averaged 18.6 points, 11.6 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 2.6 blocks with 47.8% shooting. Kobe scored a lot (28.6 points), but shot 40.5% for the series.
2015 - Steph (23.0) should have won it over Iggy (18.17). Iggy gets credit for "holding" LeBron to 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, 8.8 assists. Steph for the series averaged 26 points, 5.2 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 1.8 steals with 44%/38% shooting, but received zero votes while Iggy got 7 and LeBron got 4. Iggy's selection ranks bottom 3.
2024 - Tatum (23.2) probably should have won it over Brown (19.8). Tatum averaged 22.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, 7.2 assists (38.8%/26.3% shooting) while Brown averaged 20.8 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5 assists (44%/23.5% shooting). Neither shot well. 7 voted for Brown. 4 voted for Tatum. Brown's selection ranks bottom 3.
Charania: The Boston Celtics are, in some cases, asking for *at least* four 1st round picks (Giannis went for 3).
streamable.comComcast's Wifi extender pods become noisy and annoying
I've had two of these wifi extender pods v2 from Comcast Xfinity for a little over the year and both of them have gotten noisy. They still sell them for $120 each on Xfinity's site: https://www.xfinity.com/learn/internet-service/wifi/wifi-extender
I don't believe these made noise initially. I think it has to do with the internal cooling fan becoming squeaky.
Room 1: This was a couple days ago you can hear the squeak: https://youtu.be/9ey06Rmtf-g ... I tried blowing some air in there (no sign of dust) and it actually made it even worse: https://youtu.be/Be3DQ048TN0
Room 2: This one isn't as bad, but you can still hear what sounds like a squeaky clicking noise. https://youtu.be/XnSkamKq4tc ... I initially thought that sounded like data being processed like a hard drive, but now I'm pretty convinced both have to do with the fan
I went to my local Xfinity store to see if they could be swapped out, but these things only have a 1 year warranty and the guy working there basically told me they are garbage and I should go to Best Buy and buy some $300 mesh wifi thing.
Any other suggestions?
Most rumors centered on all defense bigs
this has been true for a couple seasons now where we had heard Boston had been targeting Jaren Jackson Jr (went for 3 firsts) and then Zubac (price ended up way too high). Then obviously we went after Giannis. Rumors last week that Boston was interested in Rudy Gobert.
And now we are hearing rumors Boston would take Evan Mobley for Brown.
On some level this makes total sense. All-defense bigs are hugely impactful and change the entire ceiling of a team. I use to say that an all-defense guard like smart can slow down an opposing guard, but an all-defense center can slow down an entire opposing team.
It’s also true that scoring is one of the easiest things to replace in this league. This is the main reason the Celtics have seen almost no drop off whatsoever in games Brown has missed (90-36 including 9-2 this season) is because when he is out they just have someone else step up and take shots instead - like Prichard averaging 26 points in games brown missed this year.
But you can’t just have someone “step up” and replace the impact of an all-defense big. In 2008, the core reason we were great was our dominant defense and that was anchored by an all defense big in Kevin Garnett (DPOY). The next season with him hurt, they were able to replace his lost scoring with the likes of Glen Davis (he averaged 16 points in the playoffs), but you simply can’t replace the impact of an all-defense big and the team barely made it out of the first round.
We also saw it in 2022 where Rob William’s evolution to all defense level big completely changed the trajectory of the team and we started steamrolling through the league. Unfortunately Rob’s body didn’t hold up and by the finals he was a shadow of himself.
The logic of chasing these guys makes sense. There are only so many options. Will be interesting to see if we succeed in landing one.
Ranking Brad Steven's greatest trades
I think Brad is a competent GM who obviously made moves to help Boston get over the finish line once, but you have to acknowledge some things about his tenure.
1 - The team he inherited after the 2020-21 season had already been to the Conference Finals 3 times in the last 5 years
2 - The team already had a championship core in place built around 22 year old Jayson Tatum and 24 year old Jaylen Brown. Those two, especially Tatum, were on an obvious growth trajectory. Players of Tatum's caliber typically make the leap into superstardom around 23-25. As expected, the year after Brad took over as GM, Tatum, at age 23, had the first of 4 straight all-nba 1st team selections. Brown was still a couple years away from his first all-nba selection. Regardless of supporting cast, those two were going to have success moving forward.
3 - The team he inherited still had many of the tradeable assets stockpiled by Danny Ainge including recent lotto selections and valuable draft picks.
Quick Note on Brad's Draft record: Interestingly, Brad's tenure is marked by a streak of risk-aversion. Any young lotto talent or valuable pick he had, he traded away for sure thing vets. The highest draft picks he's made in his tenure are #28 (Hugo) and #30 (Baylor). Given both are late 1sts and showed signs of contributing this year, you can't be mad at either pick. Beyond that, the only notable pick he's made is Jordan Walsh at #38. If Brad keeps his pick this year (#27), it will be the highest selection he's ever made. We simply do not have any data to make a decision one way or another on whether Brad knows how to draft well given he's avoided keeping any higher picks.
Ranking Brad's Deals:
This is my quick ranking, but I will hear out arguments in the comments and may adjust this based on feedback.
#1 - Derrick White
- Celtics Acquire: Derrick White.
- Spurs Acquire: Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, a 2022 1st-round pick (#25 overall - Blake Wesley), and a 2028 1st-round pick swap right (top-1 protected).
I think this is definitively Brad's greatest move. I don't think anyone will disagree with it. At the time, Richardson still seemed like a solid contributor (9.7 points on 44%/40%/86% shooting). 22 year old Langford was in the midst of his 3rd disappointing season after being selected 14th, but had showed minimal signs of developing. The 2022 1st was used by the Spurs on Blake Wesley. Just a few picks after Walter Kessler. 6 picks ahead of Andrew Nembhard. But ultimately it didn't result in anything major. That 2028 1st pick swap with the Spurs could sting, but more likely we'll both be towards the top of the standings and irrelevant. White, meanwhile, turned into one of the best guards in the league being a critical part of Boston's title. This season he was top 3 in plus minus and made first team all-defense. We've heard rumors about his trade value having increased. For instance, we were offered RJ Barrett and #9 last Summer. Home run trade and Brad's crowning achievement.
#2 - Kristaps Porzingis (and picks)
- Celtics Acquire: Kristaps Porziņģis (from WAS), a 2023 1st-round pick (#25 overall - Marcus Sasser, later traded), and a 2024 1st-round pick (via GS - top-4 protected).
- Grizzlies Acquire: Marcus Smart (from BOS).
- Wizards Acquire: Tyus Jones (from MEM), Danilo Gallinari (from BOS), Mike Muscala (from BOS), and a 2023 2nd-round pick (#35 overall - Julian Phillips).
Some might disagree with the ranking here. On the positive sides, Porzingis was a monster in the regular season and arguably our 2nd most important player when healthy. On the negatives side, he was more or less useless in two playoff runs and then salary dumped for nothing .He played a total of 7 games in our championship run (averaging 12 points) and was actively horrible the next playoff run (7 points on 31%/15% shooting), but he did show up for a few games against Dallas and contributed to our domination of that team. This deal cost us widely beloved Marcus Smart. That said, Smart was a bit overrated and had run his course in Boston. Porzingis, if healthy, was an obvious upgrade.
The key reason I rank this as high as I do is actually the draft picks. It remains insane that we got both Porzingis AND two 1st rounders out of it. The 2024 GS 1st was later used as part of the Holiday trade (will cover that below). The 2023 1st (#25) was used by Brad to continually trade down over the course of multiple seasons and essentially has turned into Jordan Walsh (#34 in 2023), Anton Watson (#54 pick in 2024 - waived), Amari WIlliams (#46 in 2025), Max Shulga (#57 in 2025), 2026 pick #40, 2027 2nd via Atlanta, 2027 2nd via Orlando.
#3 - Jrue Holiday
- Celtics Acquire: Jrue Holiday
- Trail Blazers Acquire: Malcolm Brogdon, Robert Williams III, a 2024 1st-round pick (the Golden State pick acquired in the Porziņģis trade), and a 2029 unprotected 1st-round pick (BOS own).
If not for the boatload of ongoing 2nd rounders acquired in the Smart/Zingis swap, I might have ranked this 2nd. Brogdon was coming off 6th man of the year, but is now retired. Rob Williams III looked like a defensive player of the year candidate, but has never gotten healthy. I knock this down primarily because of the draft compensation we gave up. It's important to note that the 2024 1st we gave up (acquired in the above Porzingis deal) ended up a lotto pick at 14th overall. It was used to select Bub Carrington. Just a pick before Kel'el Ware and Jared McCain. Also ahead of guys like Kyshawn George (#24) and Ajay Mitchell (#38) that we could have traded down for. That 2029 unprotected 1st also could end up stinging us, but most likely we'll remain a top team. Jrue proved to be a massive part of our title run. Especially in the Finals where he was a top 3 player. Though we have since salary dumped him (for Simons and then Vucevic), the 27 mil TPE generated by trading Simons could still prove to be an important part of our future.
#4 - Malcolm Brogdon
- Celtics Acquire: Malcolm Brogdon.
- Pacers Acquire: Aaron Nesmith, Daniel Theis, Nik Stauskas, Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan, and a 2023 1st-round pick (#29 overall - Julian Strawther).
It was an important trade in the sense that Brogdon won 6th man of the year for a team that came a game away from making the Finals and then became a key piece of our Jrue trade, but I don't love we gave up Aaron Nesmith in the deal. Nesmith was just 2 years into his career after being selected 14th in the lotto. He had already displayed signs of being a sharp shooter. He's found a home in Indiana where he averaged double digits as a starter for a team that nearly won the title in 2025. (shooting splits of 51%/43%/91% that season). The 2023 1st (29th used on Strawther) has not amounted to much, but given what Brad has done with other late 1sts it presumably would have lead to multiple trades down for several 2nd rounders had we kept it.
#5 Al Horford
- Celtics Acquire: Al Horford, Moses Brown, and a 2023 2nd-round pick (later became Amari Bailey).
- Thunder Acquire: Kemba Walker, a 2021 1st-round pick (#16 overall - later used on Alperen Şengün), and a 2025 2nd-round pick (later became Kobe Sanders).
There's people who would rank this #1 and I understand why. Al Horford was a key part of our title team. The argument essentially goes that we wouldn't have won that title without Horford. I think in a bubble this makes sense. 37 year old Al was a bench player for that title team. Given Porzingis was injured, Horford ended up starting the bulk of that playoff run averaging 9.2 points, 7 rebounds on 48%/37% shooting. I love Al and his contributions were important. Certainly if the option was Al Horford or "Nothing", then having Al Horford is obviously better.
It also is pointed out frequently how Kemba Walker, despite coming off a season averaging 19 points, 5 assists, and 4 rebounds, was trash and we needed to get out from his contract. He was scheduled to make $36.0 million for the 2021–22 season, followed by a $37.7 million in 2022–23 season. Horford was a bit cheaper than that (making around 27 mil per season).
That said, had Boston just hung onto Walker, they had options. They could have just let him rot on the bench. They could have waive-stretched him. They could have waited a season and bought him out or used his large expiring contract in a trade. Having dead money on the books isn't great, but when the team didn't have cap space to utilize regardless (and Brown/Tatum still only making under 30 million each), it didn't really matter. What actually ended up happening was soon after the trade, Kemba agreed to a buyout with the Thunder and ended up giving up 20 million in the deal resulting in his dead money cap hit for the Thunder being $26 mil in 2021-22 and $27 mil in 2022-23.
Most importantly, Boston had to give up another lotto pick (#16) to make that deal and that pick ended up Alperen Sengun. It was also one pick ahead of Trey Murphy III. It was 4 picks ahead of Jalen Johnson. All three of those guys were significant contributors by 2023-24. Sengun, for instance, was already averaging 21 points, 9.3 rebounds, 5 assists, 1.2 steals with 54% shooting as a 21 year old. So while I loved Horford, the truth is that it wasn't "horford vs nothing" in 2024. The question should have been, would Boston have still won the title had a budding star like 21 year old Sengun or 22 year old Jalen Johnson been coming off their bench on a rookie scale deal. Don't get me wrong, I love Horford and loved his contributions, but the reality is Brad gave up a significant asset for an ancient Horford and then let him walk for nothing soon after. For that reason, I rank that trade 5th.
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That's pretty much all of his significant moves to date. How would you adjust the ranking?
There's a strong precedent for the awkward Jaylen Brown/Celtics situation
Kinda obvious, but it's worth a trip down memory lane.
The Jordan/Pippen Bulls, like the Tatum/Brown Celtics, obviously had a lot of success together until Jordan briefly quit.
That 1993-94 season, Pippen stepped up as "the man" (with solid contributions from borderline stars like Horace Grant) and collectively they saw their team go from winning 57 games (with Jordan) to 55 wins (without Jordan). This mirrors Brown's season very well where he had gone 36-22 (50 win pace) without Tatum and then collectively they finished the season with 56 wins (just 5 less than the prior year where they won 61).
There were also strong signals at the time that Pippen felt like he was proving he didn't need to be in Jordan's shadow and that he the team had almost no drop-off with him at the helm. He had a career season, averaging 22 points (career high), 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals while inexplicably seeing his efficiency go up from the season prior (though just a bit worse than his peak a couple years earlier). This almost exactly mirrors Brown who made comments about showing the world what he had sacrificed and saw himself average a career high in points with his efficiency only being slightly worse than his peak a couple years earlier.
In Pippen's case, he made 1st team All-NBA. 3rd in MVP voting. In Brown's case, he made 2nd team All-NBA. 6th in MVP Voting.
However, the playoffs proved to be a disappointment. Pippen's Bulls swept through the first round, but then faced off against a 57 win 1st seed Knicks team. Pippen's Bulls took them to 7 games before the Knicks ended up winning and going to the Finals. But there was also an incident that damaged the relationship between Pippen and the Bulls when in game 3 he famously refused to re-enter the game after Phil Jackson drew up the final shot for Toni Kukoč instead of him. The media had a field day with this and it upset a lot of Bulls fans at the time who saw it as immature and selfish. Once again, this mirrors Brown very well where his team choked a 3-1 lead and then he embarrassingly said within hours of being eliminated that it was his "favorite season"... media went wild and obviously it upset a lot of Celtics fans who saw it as immature and selfish.
Heading into that Summer of 1994, the Bulls actually came very close to trading Pippen in the fall-out of that playoff series. The proposed deal reportedly would have sent Pippen (and a 1st) to Seattle for Shawn Kemp, Ricky Pierce and a lotto pick. What's especially interesting is that Seattle coach George Karl claimed Michael Jordan approved of the deal believing it made sense for both teams. Seattle ownership ultimately backed out killing the deal at the last minute.
Goes without saying, that mirrors this almost Brown/Giannis trade very well. Almost happened. Brad couldn't close the deal. Now we're asked wondering where the relationship will go from here.
Things remained cold between Pippen and Krause after that almost-trade and Pippen never regained his trust of management even acknowledging that he wanted to be traded.
But here's the good news for Boston fans... despite a frosty relationship between Pippen and the Bulls (even demanding a trade in 97), Pippen remained a professional, ultimately slotted back in as Jordan's sidekick, and they won 3 more titles together. Good news for the Celtics and Brown is that JB is under contract for 3 more years and is too much of a professional to let any frustration impact his efforts to help the Celtics win. Maybe like Pippen before him, he finds some success as a 2nd option in the aftermath of his flirtation with being "the man" and almost being traded.
There remains a strong precedent for the Jaylen Brown situation that should consider
It's right there in front of your face and pretty obvious.
The Jordan/Pippen Bulls, like the Tatum/Brown Celtics, obviously had a lot of success together until Jordan briefly quit.
That 1993-94 season, Pippen stepped up as "the man" (with solid contributions from borderline stars like Horace Grant) and collectively they saw their team go from winning 57 games (with Jordan) to 55 wins (without Jordan). This mirrors Brown's season very well where he had gone 36-22 (50 win pace) without Tatum and then collectively they finished the season with 56 wins (just 5 less than the prior year where they won 61).
There were also strong signals at the time that Pippen felt like he was proving he didn't need to be in Jordan's shadow and that he the team had almost no drop-off with him at the helm. He had a career season, averaging 22 points (career high), 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals while inexplicably seeing his efficiency go up from the season prior (though just a bit worse than his peak a couple years earlier). This almost exactly mirrors Brown who made comments about showing the world what he had sacrificed and saw himself average a career high in points with his efficiency only being slightly worse than his peak a couple years earlier.
In Pippen's case, he made 1st team All-NBA. 3rd in MVP voting. In Brown's case, he made 2nd team All-NBA. 6th in MVP Voting.
However, the playoffs proved to be a disappointment. Pippen's Bulls swept through the first round, but then faced off against a 57 win 1st seed Knicks team. Pippen's Bulls took them to 7 games before the Knicks ended up winning and going to the Finals. But there was also an incident that damaged the relationship between Pippen and the Bulls when in game 3 he famously refused to re-enter the game after Phil Jackson drew up the final shot for Toni Kukoč instead of him. The media had a field day with this and it upset a lot of Bulls fans at the time who saw it as immature and selfish. Once again, this mirrors Brown very well where his team choked a 3-1 lead and then he embarrassingly said within hours of being eliminated that it was his "favorite season"... media went wild and obviously it upset a lot of Celtics fans who saw it as immature and selfish.
Heading into that Summer of 1994, the Bulls actually came very close to trading Pippen in the fall-out of that playoff series. The proposed deal reportedly would have sent Pippen (and a 1st) to Seattle for Shawn Kemp, Ricky Pierce and a lotto pick. What's especially interesting is that Seattle coach George Karl claimed Michael Jordan approved of the deal believing it made sense for both teams. Seattle ownership ultimately backed out killing the deal at the last minute.
Goes without saying, that mirrors this almost Brown/Giannis trade very well. Almost happened. Brad couldn't close the deal. Now we're asked wondering where the relationship will go from here.
Things remained cold between Pippen and Krause after that almost-trade and Pippen never regained his trust of management even acknowledging that he wanted to be traded.
But here's the good news... despite a frosty relationship between Pippen and the Bulls (even demanding a trade in 97), Pippen remained a professional, ultimately slotted back in as Jordan's sidekick, and they won 3 more titles together. Good news for the Celtics and Brown is that JB is under contract for 3 more years and is too much of a professional to let any frustration impact his efforts to help the Celtics win. Here's hoping like Pippen before him, he finds championship success as a 2nd option in the aftermath of his flirtation with being "the man" and almost being traded.