u/MethodNo2030

Here are some ridiculous defenses and "proof" of Mj's innocence ive seen in the past from stans:

1. The media slandered MJ as a P*do and a freak because they were upset that he was a black man drooled over by white girls during the 80s and they wanted to put him in his place for being "uppity".
2. The Powers That Be framed MJ for CSA because they didn't like his humanitarianism/politics and him singing "Heal the World" and "Black or white", and thus wanted to silence him.
3. He sang "Heal The world " so he must be innocent. A man who wrote that song would never violate children.
4. Unrelated men sleeping in the bed with random minors is a part of black culture, thus you're racist and ignorant if you think MJ's actions are wrong
5. MJ couldn't have been an abuser because he was too skinny and weak to physically force himself on a 13 year old
6. 13 is too old for a boy to be abused
7. The FBI and the CIA investigated MJ for decades and found nothing
8. You're the perv with the dirty mind if you think an adult sharing a bed with an unrelated minor is inappropriate , because beds aren't inherently s*xual.
9. MJ was a castrati with no s*x drive
10. MJ was just a big kid playing doctor.
11. The children threw themselves at MJ and followed him like ducks (even to the bathroom) and forced themselves into his bed.
12. MJ continuing to share his bed with and hang out with random children after the 1993 allegations is proof that he's innocent . If he were guilty he would have stopped. Stopping the sleepovers would have been an admission of guilt
13. Even if he had stopped hanging out with children , the racists would have found another crime to frame MJ for
14. racist policemen planted the nambla books on MJ because they wanted to tear down a black king.😭 also sneddon was a racist
15. MJ was framed because he bought the Beatles catalogue.
16. MJ was just cosleeping with his little friends. Cosleeping is normal in many cultures.
17. The media paid people to lie on MJ and falsely accuse him of CSA.
18. He had no childhood
19. He made Thriller
20. His bed was the size of a house and his room was several stories high
21. He was rescuing the tildren from epstein and hiding them in his bed.
22. Inconsistencies!

feel free to add more.

To hear fans tell it, you'd be forgiven for thinking that just saying the magic words "Michael Jackson m*lested me" automatically grants people a tidy sum of money .

The idea just accusing MJ of CSA is an easy way of making money and getting an easy life is laughable. First off to sue MJ for CSA you'd have to provide detailed, graphic and potentially triggering descriptions of what MJ did to you, also anyone wanting to sue MJ/ his estate would likely to have to hire lawyers . Lawyers are far from cheap. Suing MJ/his estate doesn't automatically guarantee money either , even if MJ actually did CSA you. The lawsuit may well go nowhere either due to statue of limitations or some other technicalities

If anything anyone coming forward against MJ has far, far more to lose than to gain, especially since MJ is such a famous celebrity. Coming forward may even cost a person career opportunities or get them blacklisted , especially in the music/dance industry where MJ is a beloved figure.

Even in the real world, outside of showbiz, coming forward against an abuser/harasser may well cost a person job opportunities. For instance, if an employee accuses someone important or high up in the company of Sexual harassment/asault, it's not uncommon for the company to simply fire the person making the complaint. Also if the perp is well-liked in the company , its possible that coworkers may also harass the complainant into quitting. God help the complainant if they live in a small town...

It's also possible that the person's friends may try to distance themselves from them, either because they're fans of MJ or because they don't want to be wrapped up in "drama".

Not to mention , even if someone does successfully obtain money from suing MJ, they'll almost certainly have to forever live in fear of MJ's eternal army of nutty fans, I mean soldiers of love. There's a reason why the Chandlers had to essentially go into hiding after the 1993 allegations.

Now that i think about it, MJ was always weirdly silent when his fans would harass others in his name.

A prime example was during 1993 when he was publically accused of CSA'ing Jordy Chandler. When the allegations came out , the MJ standom declared war on the chandlers . They engaged an extensive harassment campaign that involved bombarding the Chandlers day and night with deatth threats and leaving dead animals near their home. One person even tried to run over jordy!

Yet during all of this, MJ didn't say a peep, not even to condemn the actions of his fans or tell them to lay off . Odd behavior for a self proclaimed savior and lover of children. Surely someone who truly loved children as much as he claimed to would be outraged by an innocent child being horribly harassed (even if the allegations were hypothetically false, the child is still innocent. If the child was manipulated/brainwashed/coached into lying then they are a victim as well ) . But yet all you could hear crickets from him.

And yet during this time MJ had no qualms going on satellite and extensively whining about how much having his nude bod being photographed by meaniepants policemen as evidence was sooo haaaard on him, but he never said a peep about the chandlers being harassed.

Even aside from 1993, he never said a peep about his fans harassing people. As far as i know , Not once did he he tell them to lay off.

Does anyone else notice this too?

My autistic sister (25) basically has the mind of a child (mentally probably around 7-8) and does not know the difference between a minor and an adult. Lately (and by lately i mean the past few years) she has been boy crazy, but does not know social cues and reacts to crushes the same way an elementary school girl would. At first she would make profiles on apps like Tinder and Bumble and harass guys into liking her, but that didn't work out and recently we (my mom and i) found out she has been reaching out to local high school boys, my mom took her phone and saw she was searching up the schools football teams instagram pages and finding the boys through there and messaging them, calling them "babe" and other stuff and this is where we draw the line, we are scared she's gonna give out our address to them and angry parents will be knocking on our door. That would absolutely break my sister, she has already threatened to harm herself when none of the guys on tinder wanted her. We told her she can't talk to them because they're minors and she's an adult but she doesn't seem to understand. How do you explain this to an autistic adult?

Many of the Songs on Michael Jackson's HIStory (1995) are MJ darvo-ing and going "poor me i'm a helpless victim of everyone", the Song D.S stands out in that it actually namedrops one of MJ's "enemies", Tom Sneddon (1941-2014) . Sneddon was the lead investigator of the 1993 and later 2005 CSA allegations against him. The song lyrics in the album sheet say that the individual, describe as a "cold man" in the song is "Dom Sheldon" but if you listen to the song itself MJ's clearly singing about "Tom Sneddon".

Throughout the song MJ DARVOs, angrily painting himself as an unfairly persecuted victim while all but describing Tom Sneddon as a KKK racist who has ties to random organizations such as the CIA and wants "his ass dead or alive"

Some lyrics:

>They wanna get my ass dead or alive
You know he really tried to take me down by surprise
I bet he missioned with the CIA
He don't do half what he say

>Dom Sheldon is a cold man
Dom Sheldon is a cold man
Dom Sheldon is a cold man
Dom Sheldon is a cold man

>He out shock in every single way
He'll stop at nothing just to get his political say
He think he hot 'cause he's BSTA
I bet he never had a social life anyway

>You think he brother with the KKK?
I bet his mother never taught him right anyway
He want your vote just to remain TA
He don't do half what he say

The song is at least partly why many MJ stans have an extreme hatred Sneddon and view him as a Mark Furhman-esque racist monster. Hell a stan even played the song while videotaping themselves literally dancing on Sneddon's grave .

The article:

>Michael Jackson's sleepovers with young boys are sure to come up in his molestation trial.

>Now there's word that one of the most respected names in the music industry, Quincy Jones, reached out to his longtime friend and begged him to stop sharing his bed with children.

>Harvey Levin, the executive producer of "Celebrity Justice," broke the story, and filled in viewers of The Early Show Friday.

>The interventions, Levin says, took place "a couple of years ago, before the current scandal broke, before the documentary aired where Michael Jackson talked about sleeping, sharing his bed with children. And Quincy Jones was alarmed. That's the word I got – alarmed -- and felt that this would bring Michael Jackson down -- if only in the public perception, if he continued to do it. There were no signs (Jackson) was stopping and he really felt that he had to step in."

>So, says Levin, Jones "went to Michael Jackson and made it very clear that -- he was very direct that he felt it was inappropriate. He felt it was wrong. He explained how it could destroy him.

>"And Jackson was like a wall. He would not hear it. He didn't want to acknowledge any of it. And Quincy Jones was frustrated, and he went back again. This happened several times.

>"This was something that was discussed among the people who were closest to Michael Jackson, people who liked him the most. And they felt he had to stop this. He would absolutely hear none of it."

>Levin says Jones was "extremely frustrated and almost panicked that this would be (Jackson's) downfall."

>How, asked The Early Show co-anchor Julie Chen, did Jones first learn about the sleepovers?

>"Quincy Jones was really, really close to Michael Jackson," responded Levin. "He did the "Thriller" album with him and, I believe, the "Off the Wall" album. He was with him every single night as they were recording these things -- really involved in the family, to the point where the (Jackson's) defense (in his molestation trial) has called Quincy Jones as a witness in this case, because Quincy Jones and his daughters were at Neverland on some of the key dates in this case, and they can testify that they didn't see anything inappropriate happen.

>"So, Quincy Jones saw the way Michael Jackson lived. It was not a secret. He saw how he lived, but there were problems he had with part of the lifestyle.

>Levin adds there are at least two other celebrities who implored Jackson to stop the sleepovers, to no avail. But Levin wasn't at liberty to name them. One of them has died, Levin noted.

>"But I can tell you," he added, "beyond those two, there were discussions about this. This is not just something that people said, 'Oh, he's going off and doing this.' They knew that there was something that had to be fixed."