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Anytime any of our members post a topic, we are swarmed with invaders from the force free ideology. Why? Why do they keep coming in here to bother us? We have a pop up that reminds people of the rules when they start typing, and they just ignore it and then act surprised when they are banned and their posts removed. Then without fail date send a pissy mod mail complaining about their ban and acting like they don't understand why. Like seriously, these people are something else.

Hi all, I have a Transit pax van with the seats removed. I also want to remove the headliner and air bags, but I do need to have some insulation or at least paneling on the upper sides and roof for climate control. I want to have as much room in the van as possible. Any good models for such a thing? I'm not experienced at van modding.

Take a dog that has been trained to the highest standard of its genetic predispositions. Say a world champion igp dog, a Belgian ring champion, a real world herding dog from the Scottish highlands. Anything in that vein. Hand that dog to a force-free person and tell them to train the dog to be neutral to a decoy, ignore sheep, etc. Whatever goes absolutely against that dog's previous training, training that has capitalized on the dogs genetic drives and talents. Now that's something I want to see. Show me how effective this ideology is that you can take an igp3 dog competing at the world's level and teach it to ignore a decoy without implementing any consequences or punishment or tools and that includes harnesses leashes collars Etc.

A lot of people will clutch their pearls but when working dogs such as search and rescue dogs and military dogs started being a thing, the entire point of having the dog was to send the dog into areas that were too dangerous for humans to go to. The dog is expendable, humans are not. This is, incidentally, why police dogs exist. So that the dog can be deployed into a dangerous situation that is too hot for a human officer to risk their life.

So in light of this discussion about the service dog dying of heat exhaustion at disney, what's our position on this now? Is the dog just a tool, just a piece of "medical equipment" then why should we object to a dog dying while on the job? That's the dog's job, if it has to die doing it, well I guess that's just collateral damage. Or do we now prioritize the life and health of the dog over the job that it's doing? Should we refrain from deploying search and rescue dogs into dangerous Rubble if there is the slightest chance they get injured or killed? Or are we going to accept that risk as a part of having an animal doing that kind of work?

Through the friend-of-a-friend grapevine we have invited Dylan Jones to do an AMA on this sub. He hasn't gotten in touch with us or said that he would do this yet, that he has made a Reddit user name at least, so I'm hoping to inspire him to participate by posting the questions we all want to ask him on this thread. If we get good questions and he decides he wants to participate we will set up a real AMA.

So if you were able to ask Dylan any questions, what would they be?

If your “medical equipment” absolutely needs to come with you to a FLORIDA THEME PARK IN FUCKING JULY then the least you can do is be hypervigilant about breaks (like, most of your trip needs to be resting, not walking or orbiting or whateverthefuck,) air conditioning, and water. This goes extra for the kinds of idiots using brachycephalic dogs or putting lots of “gear” or clothing on them. Dogs are not nearly as efficient at cooling themselves down as we are.

This officer resigned in lieu of being fired, but last year was hired by a different agency.

Another reason why "police K9 handler" on one's resume isn't an indicator that they are a good handler or trainer.

The expert witness rosters are chock-full of former working dog handlers and trainers including police, detection, military, etc. Even in the pet dog world being a former police canine handler comes with elevated credibility in the eyes of the public.

The reality is that, while being a professional dog handler and trainer is a great set of skills, it many times has almost no applicability to the average pet dog or amateur competition dog. This is because agencies such as military and police place very high significance on selecting the correct dog for the job. If there's any hiccups in the training, that dog gets sent down the road immediately and they start over with a new one. Most professional working dog trainers have no idea what to do with a dog that needs extra coaching, extra motivation, or just a different approach. They have never had to overcome significant problems in training because that's just not a thing in the working dog world.

What do you think? Should we accept the limitations of professional working dog trainers or should the pet and competition dog world start learning to accept that getting the right dog for the job is a critical part of success? Some combination of both?

So having a good look at Hallie the doodle and the way she is living happily with her owners now, what do we think? Would she have been better off euthanized like Gia the alleged dog behavior expert wanted, or is she better off having endured some discipline and corrections from Dylan in order to live life as she is now?

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A very large number of the toxic, nasty "force-free" (the irony) individuals that we have to ban out of this sub are from the UK. It's getting predictable at this point. What the hell's going on over there?

Date: July 16, 2026

At its July 2026 meeting, the AKC Board of Directors approved a new policy and related disciplinary changes to strengthen protections for dogs at AKC events.

The health, safety, and wellbeing of dogs are at the heart of everything AKC does. In recent months, several incidents involving dogs left unattended in vehicles have resulted in dangerous situations and, in some cases, tragic outcomes. As temperatures rise and these risks increase, the Board determined that additional safeguards are necessary to help prevent future incidents and reinforce the shared responsibility of exhibitors, handlers, and owners to ensure every dog's safety.

Effective immediately, AKC's new Unattended Dogs in Vehicles Policy prohibits leaving dogs unattended in vehicles that are fully enclosed or do not have adequate ventilation and airflow. Simply having fans, air conditioning, temperature monitors, remote alerts, or other electronic devices does not, by themselves, make a vehicle safe for an unattended dog. Owners and handlers are responsible for ensuring dogs are kept in conditions that protect them from heat-related illness, distress, injury, or death.

Violating this policy is considered conduct prejudicial to the best interests of purebred dogs, the sport of purebred dogs, and the American Kennel Club and may result in disciplinary action under the AKC Charter and Bylaws.

The Board also approved two related changes to support the new policy. Effective July 29, 2026, the Dealing with Misconduct at American Kennel Club Events guidelines will require an Event Committee hearing whenever a dog is seriously injured or dies in connection with an AKC event, not just when a vehicle is involved. This process allows the committee to review sworn testimony, determine the facts, and ensure these incidents are handled fairly and consistently at events across the country.

The AKC Discipline Guidelines have also been updated to include a new disciplinary offense and penalty structure for violations of the Unattended Dogs in Vehicles Policy. Depending on the severity of the violation and the circumstances involved, penalties may range from a one-year suspension and monetary fines to a lifetime suspension and fines of up to $10,000.

These changes reinforce AKC's commitment to providing a safe environment for dogs and promoting responsible stewardship at every AKC event.

For more information on this policy contact: Compliancediv@akc.org

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AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB STATEMENT ON THE UNATTENDED DOGS POLICY: 

Thank you to those who have taken the time to share their concerns and comments regarding the Unattended Dogs in Vehicles Policy adopted by the Board at its July 2026 meeting. We appreciate the thoughtful feedback and recognize that exhibitors, breeders, handlers, and judges have a strong interest in ensuring that policies affecting the care and welfare of dogs are both practical and effective. 

The primary purpose of this policy is to reinforce a fundamental principle: individuals participating in AKC events are responsible for providing a safe environment for dogs in their care. The policy focuses on situations in which dogs are left unattended in vehicles without adequate ventilation or airflow, creating conditions that may place them at risk of heat-related distress, illness, injury, or death. 

The policy does not prohibit or discourage the use of modern vehicle cooling and monitoring technologies, nor does it require that one is at a vehicle at all times or ban climate-control systems, temperature-monitoring devices, fans, remote alerts, or similar equipment. Rather, it recognizes that no single device or technology can, by itself, guarantee a safe environment. Mechanical, electrical, cellular, software, and human failures can occur without warning. 

Accordingly, the policy emphasizes that the presence of technology or specialized equipment does not relieve an individual of responsibility for the safety and welfare of dogs left in their care. If an unfortunate incident occurs, the existence of monitoring or climate-control equipment alone does not establish that reasonable precautions were taken or that the environment remained safe. The responsibility for ensuring a dog's safety ultimately rests with the individual, regardless of the technology being used. For that reason, the policy provides that the mere presence of such devices does not automatically demonstrate that a vehicle is safe for unattended dogs under all circumstances. 

Further, AKC’s policy is consistent with a broader public policy trend across the United States. Many states have enacted laws that prohibit leaving dogs unattended in vehicles under conditions that endanger their health or safety, particularly during periods of extreme heat or cold. While the specific language and enforcement mechanisms vary by jurisdiction, these laws generally reflect the same underlying principle embodied in AKC’s policy: individuals are responsible for ensuring that dogs left in vehicles are maintained in safe conditions and are not exposed to unreasonable risks. The Board’s action therefore aligns with widely recognized animal welfare standards that place the safety and well-being of dogs above reliance on any particular technology, device, or method of monitoring. 

Questions have been raised regarding how “sufficient ventilation” or a “safe environment” will be interpreted. As with many AKC conduct policies, determinations will be based on the specific facts and circumstances of each situation. The focus is not on the presence or absence of a particular device, but rather on whether the conditions provided were reasonably sufficient to protect the health and welfare of the dogs involved. 

It is also important to note that the policy is directed toward conduct that creates an unreasonable risk to dogs. It is not intended to penalize responsible dog owners who take appropriate measures to safeguard their animals. Instead, it strengthens AKC’s ability to address situations where dogs are left in conditions that jeopardize their welfare and, by extension, reflect adversely on the sport and the responsible care of purebred dogs. 

The AKC recognizes that vehicle designs, environmental conditions, and available technologies continue to evolve. However, the welfare of dogs must remain the guiding consideration. This policy establishes a clear expectation that individuals are responsible for ensuring that unattended dogs are maintained in conditions that remain safe throughout the entire period they are left in a vehicle. The use of technology may be one factor considered in evaluating those circumstances, but it is not a substitute for responsibility, nor does it excuse conduct that results in an unsafe environment or harm to a dog. 

AKC remains committed to promoting responsible dog ownership and protecting the health, safety, and well-being of dogs at all AKC events. We appreciate the continued feedback from the community as we work toward that shared goal.

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Frequently Asked Questions: AKC Unattended Dogs in Vehicles Policy

Why did the AKC adopt this new policy?

Following several recent incidents involving dogs left unattended in vehicles, including situations that resulted in serious injury and death, the AKC Board of Directors determined that stronger safeguards were necessary to help prevent future tragedies and reinforce the shared responsibility of exhibitors, handlers, and owners to protect dogs at AKC events.

What does the new Unattended Dogs in Vehicles Policy require?

Effective immediately, the policy prohibits leaving a dog unattended in a vehicle that is fully enclosed or does not have adequate ventilation and airflow.

What is considered a vehicle under this policy?

For purposes of this policy, a vehicle includes any enclosed or partially enclosed motorized conveyance used to transport dogs, including passenger cars, SUVs, pickup trucks, vans, minivans, commercial vehicles, trailers being used to house dogs, motorhomes, recreational vehicles (RVs), and similar vehicles. Regardless of the type of vehicle, owners and handlers are responsible for ensuring dogs are not left unattended in conditions that could compromise their safety or wellbeing.

Are fans, air conditioning, temperature monitors, or remote alert systems enough to comply with the policy?

These are all valuable precautions and can play an important role in helping maintain a safe environment for dogs. However, they should not be the only precautions relied upon. Fans, air conditioning, temperature monitors, remote alert systems, and other electronic devices do not, by themselves, make a vehicle safe for an unattended dog. Owners and handlers remain responsible for ensuring dogs are kept in conditions that protect them from heat-related illness, distress, injury, or death. Vehicles should be checked regularly to verify that cooling systems are functioning properly and ventilation is sufficient so that the dogs remain safe and in good condition.

Is the AKC advising that I leave my vehicle unlocked?

No. The AKC is not advising exhibitors, handlers, or owners to leave their vehicles unlocked. The policy does not prescribe how a vehicle should be secured. Rather, it requires that dogs not be left unattended in conditions that could compromise their health or wellbeing. Owners and handlers remain responsible for taking all appropriate precautions to ensure the safety of both their dogs and their vehicles.

Who is responsible for complying with the policy?

Every owner and handler is responsible for ensuring the safety and wellbeing of any dog in their care while attending any AKC event.

When does the new policy take effect?

The Unattended Dogs in Vehicles Policy is effective immediately.

What happens if someone violates the policy?

Violating the policy is considered conduct prejudicial to the best interests of purebred dogs, the sport of purebred dogs, and the American Kennel Club. Violations may result in disciplinary action under the AKC Charter and Bylaws.

What disciplinary penalties may apply?

The AKC Discipline Guidelines now include a specific offense and penalty structure for violations of the policy. Depending on the severity of the violation and the circumstances involved, penalties may range from a one-year suspension and monetary fines to a lifetime suspension and fines of up to $10,000.

Why is the AKC adopting this policy when many states already have laws regarding dogs left in vehicles?

State laws vary significantly in how they address dogs left unattended in vehicles, including when intervention is permitted and what constitutes a violation. As the governing body for dog sports, the AKC has a responsibility to establish consistent standards of conduct that apply to all participants, regardless of where an event is held. This policy establishes a clear, uniform standard for exhibitors, handlers, and owners and provides the framework for consistent enforcement through the AKC Discipline Guidelines. It is intended to complement, not replace, applicable state and local laws, and all participants are expected to comply with both.

Will previously resolved disciplinary matters be reopened under this new policy?

No. Disciplinary matters that have already been investigated and resolved under the applicable AKC Rules, Policies, and Discipline Guidelines in effect at the time of the incident will not be reopened.

Does this policy apply only to hot weather?

No. While hot weather significantly increases the risk to dogs, the policy is based on providing safe conditions for dogs at all times. Owners and handlers are responsible for ensuring dogs are not left unattended in conditions that could compromise their health, safety, or wellbeing.

What other changes did the Board approve?

The Board approved a related change to the Dealing with Misconduct at American Kennel Club Events guidelines. Effective July 29, 2026, an Event Committee hearing will be required whenever a dog is seriously injured or dies in connection with an AKC event, regardless of whether a vehicle is involved.

What is the purpose of requiring an Event Committee hearing?

An Event Committee hearing allows the committee to receive sworn testimony, review the facts surrounding an incident, and ensure cases are handled fairly, consistently, and in accordance with AKC rules.

What is the overall goal of these changes?

These updates strengthen the AKC's commitment to protecting the health, safety, and wellbeing of dogs while promoting responsible stewardship and consistent enforcement at every AKC event.

Dylan Jones's video detailing what honestly is a pretty typical scam by the force free community has some momentum that we shouldn't waste. One of the things he points out is how the people that bought into it ended up spending nearly $20,000 on useless training and worthless medications before they finally found a balanced trainer to help them. So I think that there are things that the balanced community should start doing to make sure that we are keeping this issue front and center and taking our profession back from these unethical, immoral scam artists.

The first thing I would suggest is that every single trainer include the words "science-based" in their marketing. This is one of the empty promises that the force free people lean on to get people to shell out their hard-earned money. But the balanced side is much more backed by science than being positive only or force free. If every single dog trainer makes the same claim, it's completely true, and takes a lot of the wind out of their sails (and sales).

What are other suggestions that balanced trainers should be doing to make sure we continue to advocate for dogs and dog owners? Dogs and their owners simply cannot afford for the narrative to continue on the way it has been with positive only people trying to make sure that our voices aren't heard.