u/Mysterious-House-381

This is not, in my view, a silly question

We know even from basic history that military planning went along with professionalisation of officers and in the 18th cebtury it become very advanced thanks to the intrododuction of scientific, and mathematical, thinking in the officer instruction.

But this was possible in Ashkhenazi communities, in reformed Christian and, since XIX century, in far east countries, because the religious mebtality was determinant: a mind cannot follow, or reject, "logos" at will

More concretely, we have seen that historically hamas managed to act isolate attacks, small unit raids and ghazi charges with screaming human masses, but until 2023 they did not manage to conceive, plan, fund and execute a complex plan

Let's try to think about it

Hamas, an organization of integralist muslims who dislike logic and the ability to discern by intellect and exoeriments the truth from the BS, managed to

a) conceive a complex plan involving an artillery preparation, movement of fence cutting equipment, paragliders and a fleet of Pick ups . The very idea of artillery prepartation requires historical knowledge - something Hamas cannot do- and a mind trained to think in terms of propedeutical actions that render possible following ones

b) managed to conceive a scheme to acquire the materiel without being fully noticed by Israel and to train shooters in a less improvised way

c) managed to keep , in an environment full of israeli informers, secrecy until the very final hour

I have reasons to think that all this was NOT, or not only, fruit of the mind of original members, but that one or more person, with university education and in his/her young ages used to analytical planning, , had converted to islam and had brought his /her pre musilm logical mentality to the terrorists.

thealternative is that some muslim, but not arab, maybe a professional officer, has helped in this operation, but in this casethe country to whom that officer belong(ed) had committed a clear act of war.

We know, by the way that the integralists are present and active in Universities and, at least in France, they try to convert young men from STEM disciplines and it is a fact that from 2003 to 2023 their rockets have improved, as someone expert in aeronautical engineering had worked about them

I have seen that many young people in civilian clothes in Tel Aviv carrying rmodern military type carbines isimilar to M4- and I was told that they were soldiers on leave from combat units and that they are fully armed so in case there is an active shooter event there is always someone in the vicinity ready to react

I would want to know if in these difficult times on leave soldiers can also, about security matters, act as police officers, firexample stopping suspicious people, search them for weapons or restrain his/her movement untill the arrive of police officers.

This is something reasonable, but Israel should assure there are no abuses of such powers, because in a polarized society this can happen quite easily

We know that the core of the controversy between Israel and the "Palestinian" population outside Israel is the status of the territory comprised between the Jordan river and the Green Line.

For years in Europe we have been instructed by progressive narrative to call this land "West Bank", but I have , by myself as in school I have not taught about, discovered that this land is actually superimposable to the ancient regions of Judea and Samaria, the real centre of ancient Jewish kingdoms.

So the situation from 1949 to 1967 is quite like the USA had been deprived by Pennsylvanya and Maryland, or England from the areas aroud Liverpool and Manchester. Areas important not only for economical value, but , even more importantly, for historical significance.

So I can imagine that the status of the former West Bank is a very tricky one and cannot be solved easily.

The problem is that in the ancient udea and Samaria there is now a large Arab population who have no intention to leave room for the descendants of the former inhabitants and thst these "reclaimers" do not seem very akin to solve problems with dialogue.

It has been said that settlements were intended to be built and to farm "nullius rem", that is lands who have been neglected for long and that local people did not legitimately claim as theirs

But we see that there are now settlers who actively try to push out legitimate farmers or sheperds from their lands and even the Jewish activists who try to do something are harassed or worse

I have read an article , posted in the Italian magazine "Limes" by Riki Cohen, from which it appears that the relations between the "Haredim" and the secular Jews are not very good, because thare are substantial, not only cosmetic, differences about how to conceive Israel and its rules.

I have also read that since 2024 there hs been a not huge, but nor negligeable outflux of secular jews, both young and middle aged people towards USA, as it seems obvious given the long lasting similarities and friendship between the two Countries, and even Europe, above all Germany, but we must assime that the "emigrants" or "who have maken the yerida" are mainly seculars.

There is moreover another consideration: the secular Jews have generally been akin to try to find some type of long lasting accord towards the Arab population within or out of Israel, but the eventis of 7th IOctober have shown to all that this seems nearly impossible. So the legitimization of the secular Jews views, and by corollary of the secular Jews themselves to the eyes of the other Israelis, has been greatly diminished.

The problem, if we want to call it a problem, is that in the next 20 - 25 years the haredim will be majority of the population and, as Israel is ruled by a proportional system, the likely majority in the Knesset. So they will be free to impose upon the whole Israelis their way of life

I have read an article , posted in the Italian magazine "Limes" by Riki Cohen, from which it appears that the relations between the "Haredim" and the secular Jews are not very good, because thare are substantial, not only cosmetic, differences about how to conceive Israel and its rules.

I have also read that since 2024 there hs been a not huge, but nor negligeable outflux of secular jews, both young and middle aged people towards USA, as it seems obvious given the long lasting similarities and friendship between the two Countries, and even Europe, above all Germany, but we must assime that the "emigrants" or "who have maken the yerida" are mainly seculars.

There is moreover another consideration: the secular Jews have generally been akin to try to find some type of long lasting accord towards the Arab population within or out of Israel, but the eventis of 7th IOctober have shown to all that this seems nearly impossible. So the legitimization of the secular Jews views, and by corollary of the secular Jews themselves to the eyes of the other Israelis, has been greatly diminished.

The problem, if we want to call it a problem, is that in the next 20 - 25 years the haredim will be majority of the population and, as Israel is ruled by a proportional system, the likely majority in the Knesset. So they will be free to impose upon the whole Israelis their way of life

As a matter of fact I have more than one reason to think I am a neurodivergent person and eve one of my clollegue, a psychiatris, says it is "very likely"

I was suggested to do "coming out" because it is as much as probable that, pretendinf to be neurotypical when I am not. my functioning in the workplace could be, with the time passing by, considerably deteriorate and this would thus be not fair for the Patients, who deserve a physician who can do his/her job.

A serous problem is that in my Country communication skill, the ability to work in a chaotic, noisy environment, to improvise and to deal with uncertainety are considered mandatory in order to work as medic, and the employers know very well that neurodivergent people struggle with one or more of these skills

So i was warmly suggested for my own sake not to consult, not as frioend, but a professionist, a Psychiatrist on order to find help, because this one should be obliged to report my condition to the Medical Board

I think that many admire Israel because he has won "unwinnable" wars against extra large armies and very powerful states - because Egypt in 1967 was considered a regional power as much as India- , but , with due respect to the officers and soldiers the real astonishing achievement is the development of the Country

Let' s think at Israel in 1949:

a) very little sweet water and the need to cultivate a lot because people needed food and the money to buy it from other states was simply non existant

b) the not so numerous infrastructures of the British Mandate - few asphalted roads, two single tracked railway lines , an electrical power station built in the twenties, some harbour installations and a limited telephone grid- had been severely damaged by the indipendence war

c) no oil, coal or iron ore and limited amounts of other raw materials, no large industrial plants like the ones in the Ruhr, damged, but still reparaible and usable in due time

d) a large portion of the young age population attached to 24/7 military service, and so scarsely avalaible for agricolture or industrial production

e) a significative portion of the population suffering with the psychological consequences of the Lager, depression, post traumatic disorder...things that are not light or happy

In spite of this limitation, Israel became in relatively few years an industrialized country and with many schools and universities, with real roads, infrastructures, a real "first world, first class" country

I don't want to be apologetic, but we are not talking about a PC game about "build your state" comfortably sit behind a keyboard, but all of this happened in real life

There is another point

Gandhi in India was not "naif" in politics, he was, if I remember well, a lawyer and in the British India many senior Civil servants were Indians. So there was an estabilished experience in public administration, and India was potentially a super rich country , of course with inequality of opportunities and wealth

By contrast, no Jew living in Israel in 1948 had been prime minister, minister, major , speaker in the Parliament, Supreme Court Judge. Head of the Army or of the Police.

Israelis had to study everything relative to "how to manage a State" by themselves: principles, laws, pratical organizations, problem solving...

I do not want to be unjust, but other countries did not manage to do all this in spite of many, many millions of dollars or franks or duitch marks pumped in their markets

I have read the report about what happened in the city of Sderot on 7th October, but for obvious reasons the most of it deals with the events unfolding inside and near the Police Station.

I have read after having asked to an AI software that in Sderot there were episodes of remarkable bravery by civilians who tried to fight back the screaming assaulters, maybe "high" with drugs which enhanced aggression,, with privately owned or improvised weapons.

Sderot as we know is a quite large and prosperous city which lays few kilometres from the north eastern borner of the Gaza Strip and that a large number of hamas jihadists heavily armed and supported by heavy machine guns and RPG attacked the city in a coordinated manner at dawn after a rocket barrage that damaged many buildings .

The understandable reactions by "normal" people who do not live in frontier settlements or who has not been raised as warriors is to lock the door of his home, hoping the lock is solid, and wait for the security forcese, but we know that there have been people who ,either from their homes or caught in the streets far from the public shelters, fought the invaders with what they had, sometimes privately owned weapons - hand guns, target rifles- sometimes with improvised weapons. And that unfortunately many of them were severely injured or killed by the invaders sheer number and firepower, in a situation that reminds me the pirate attacks on the italian towns in the Renaissance.

I think that the World should know more about these people because what happened to Sderot reminds me of the Partisan resistence in Europe during WW2 , something the anti Israeli belonging to the left should be able to recognize and appreciate

There is no need to demonstrate that this theory is not only unproven, but completely out of the reality and that these fake news can be vey dangerous for many people.

In Europe we know very well that, in old times that still today should teach us something, this sort of accusations quickly turned into political weapons useful to accuse polytical adversaries and to knock them out by complacent Courts and prisons

I think that whoever is enjoying behind a deskboard spreading these ideas is playing a dangerous, very dangerous game because in the red hot climate of Israel, not only meteorologically, it is very easy for traumatized and exasperated people to misunderstand and to do irreparable things in a moment of anger.

I hope that common sense is actually prevailing and I am glad that this community does not host such theories, but I feel obliged to write down that , as my grandmother used to tell me, "whover plays with fire sooner or later gets burn badly, very badly"

I have been told by the well known pro pale that after the War of Indipendence not every Arab village remained depopulated and the remaining hostile arab population was seen with, I think , understandable, suspicion.

But that this comprehensible and fully justified fear of insurrection or terrorism has been fought by rendering these villages very similar to labour camps:

- barbed wire and/or fences around, heavily guarded gates,

- the obligation for every person to show up in the square at dawn for the morning appel and the daily work assignement

- that a portion of the surveillance nd organization wad delegated to some members of the villages acting as "Kapos" alias in Arabic "Mukhtar" , repurposing a sadly efficient tradition inherited from other experiences

- that sometimes people were dragged out of blankets at gunpoint and hit with he rifles buttstocks if thetìy were not very eager to get up quickly

Do you know more about this? To me it seems propaganda by someone who has a fervid imagination

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I am not a military expert, but I see that the official UN partition plan, i imagine at least partially inspired by the experiences of Ireland patition in 1921 and the more recent India-Pakistan one, would not have left a "viable" Jewish state

a) it gave Israel the coastal plains , which had been rendered by Jewish hard work more fertile, possibility to fish and harbours for commerce. But

b) these coastal areas would be geographically very thin and overlooked by the the plateau of Judea and Samaria. Even I can figure that an artillery piece of WW2 like the 155 mm gun could have easily reached from the hills even Tel aviv and Benyaminya and this could have been a sort of "blackmail" towards the Jewish urban population

c) the desertic area south of Berrsheba was to be left to Israel as far as Eilat, but the local road hub, Beersheba herself, would have reamained in Arab hands

d) the farmed area east to Tiberiade lake would have de facto been separated from the coastal area iof Haifa by a chokepoint easy to be blocked

e) in my view it was not right to have assigned the Sinai to the Kingdom of Egypt. After the inauguration of Suez Channel, the peninsula was de facto separated from the Afrocan lans mass and commerce and economical life were more and more connected to British Palestine rather than to Cairo and Alexandria

i amo not in the military and so I cannot read prima manu histories of the maneuvers and actions of IDF that and the following days, but there are hypothesis that have not yet been fully elucidated

It seems brainless organizing an offensive inside Israel without thinking about strategic objectives, only as it were a sort of pirate raid like in the Renaissance, so i assume that the hamas commanders wanted to conquer something significative.

A penetration into Tel Aviv , city that those times was not garrisoned with a fixed mechanized brigade, exploiting the surprise and the unavoidable confusion following the "infantry" breakthrough, would have created panick among the economical and political élites and maybe even the government could have been paralyzed for a while. So hamas could have gained precious time to consolidate the territorial "conquests"

In this case, the use of tactical aviation, even controversial, wiuld have been fully justified. On the other hand, Israel had already used air force to hit high value targets inside the Gaza strup by laser guided bombs

I also think that, in my view, keeping a mechanized brigade near Tel Aviv and Byniaminya against other similar surprises in future could be wise

There is something many divulgators of the conflict avoid to explain.

After 1949 theere was an armistice line, the famous Green Line, that still comprosed a large portion of Judea and Samaria in the originally intended arab portion of the Partition.

So i assume that the Palestinian arabs should have had their state in the West Bank, but I have read that soon after the area was more or less formally annexed to Jordan according to the strange formula of the "sacred custody"

I wonder why the leaders of the arab palestinians had not protested at least formally this decision, because UN wanted an indipendent arab Palestine and not a larger Jordan.

As a matter of facts, it was only in 1988 that the jordanian king renounced the "sacred custody" of Judea and Samaria, for nearly 40 years the palestinians de facto were forbidden to have their state by Jordan

I have read that mane Sionists were born as Askhenazim Zarist Empire and it is likely that they had been somewhat inspirede, when they wanted to imagine what the future Sion would be, by the actual Zarist Russia and even by her history.

I have read in the book "History of the Jews" that since the wars of indipendence from the Mongols the Zars have coopted the Cossack people as "hereditary, life long soldiers" whose duty was to garrison remote frontier posts, particularly in Siberia, beyonf the river Ural and even along the remote frontier with China. I have read also that in their fortified villages, often surrounded by stockades or stone walls, everyone, women alike was at the same erre farmer, sheperd and soldier and that they were responsible for the surveillance of a given portion of the border and often took pat in military acions along the regular army

I can think that the idea of the Kibbutz could have been derived from this one: : a fortified village in which a population of farmer - soldiers could live, defending the border and in the meantime self sustaining with agriculture.

So i ask

a) is it true that after 1948 Kibbutzim were, men and women , militarized amd organized in military ranks and that everybody was trained in marksmanship? I have seen phots of people working in the fields with bolt action rifles and women with submachine guns (it would have been unwise to argue with them, anyway) and that they fought brilliantly against professional Egyptian soldiers.

b) did the Kibbutzim have authority over the arab villages around them? For example atrolling the streets, enforcing curtfews, or collecting more or less legal taxes from farmers and workers, or forcing them to compulsory work. That is, that in a certain border area, the Kibbutz WAS the State, the State was the Kibbutz.

c) I have read that the kibbutzim fought real wars against the desert predons and that the first Sayeret units were made up mainly of Kibbutz workers, used to a grueling, hard life and that their cruelty against the fedayeen was feared among all the arab populace

d) finally, is it possible that it was the Kibbutz institution that generated the long lasting hate and distrust among Arabs and Jews in Israel?

Dawn came beneath a sky already trembling from artillery. For hours beforehand the guns had fired almost continuously. Old British quick-firing pieces beside modern systems, mortars, improvised launchers mounted on civilian vehicles—all feeding shells southward until the horizon disappeared behind dust and smoke.Then the barrage began moving forward The roling curtain of explosions advanced sector by sector across the trench systems exactly as planned. And whistles blew.

Reserve officers screamed.

The first assault waves climbed from assembly positions and began running.

The school battalions went early.

Partly because they were physically fresh.

Partly because inexperienced troops are often committed before they fully understand what awaits them.

The lines crossing the open ground looked horrifyingly archaic.

Hundreds of figures moving through smoke beneath screaming shells while machine-gun bursts and mortars began answering from surviving trench sectors.

At first momentum carried them forward.

Fear transformed into movement.

Into noise.

Some actually screamed while advancing exactly as the planners intended—not from heroism, but because human beings often yell instinctively when crossing into terror.

Daniel advanced with the second line behind one of the student formations.

Dust covered everything.

Orders vanished inside explosions.

The world reduced itself to running, stumbling, breathing, checking the rifle, moving again.

Then the defensive fire fully awakened.

Mortars.

Heavy machine guns.

RPGs impacting among advancing groups.

The rolling barrage (by the IDF field artillery, NdR) had not destroyed the trench systems (allegedly dug by Hamas) enough.

Perhaps it never could have.

And suddenly the assault became what assaults against prepared positions almost always become once surprise and momentum die:

Fragments of frightened human beings trying to keep moving through impossible fire because stopping felt even more dangerous.

Soldier X saw the young couple only briefly through dust and smoke.

A boy and girl from one of the school battalions.

Still running side by side.

Too close together tactically.

Impossible not to stay together emotionally.

The girl stumbled first when nearby mortar fragments tore into her leg and side.

She collapsed screaming.

The boy stopped instantly instead of continuing forward.

Exactly what training always tries unsuccessfully to prevent.

He turned back toward her.

Reached down.

Tried lifting her.

Then the machine-gun burst crossed the ground.

Soldier X saw the impacts strike almost in sequence.

The boy first.

Then the girl moments later while reaching toward him.

Both collapsed together in the dust without even dramatic movement afterward.

For one second Soldier X froze completely.

Not from fear.

Recognition.

Because suddenly all the rhetoric—nation, survival, strategy, history—fell away and only two terrified teenagers remained visible beneath the smoke.

Teens who should have been arguing about exams and music instead of dying in a trench assault designed from military concepts older than their grandparents.

A sergeant slammed into Soldier X physically, screaming at him to move.

The assault continued.

Because battles do not stop for individual grief.

Around them more waves pushed forward while wounded screamed between shell impacts and surviving officers tried desperately to maintain momentum through chaos.

Some trench sectors fell.

Others held.

Entire platoons disappeared crossing open ground.

The old reserve major from Gaza later described it simply:

“We discovered machine guns still work exactly as they did in 1916.”

By midday the attack had effectively stalled.

Not fully defeated.

But broken into isolated penetrations and chaotic firefights among shattered earthworks.

This is a story we can read on certain academival environments, i hope this is a propaganda work

The cost became visible everywhere.

Medics overwhelmed.

Improvised casualty stations overflowing with dust-covered teenagers and exhausted reservists.

Teachers wandering among the wounded searching desperately for students by name.

Soldier X sat briefly behind a burned transport vehicle while trembling uncontrollably without noticing at first.

His rifle rested across bloody knees he did not remember injuring.

Nearby a surviving schoolgirl stared blankly at nothing while still clutching the hand of his dead boyfriend she had dragged halfway back from the trenches.

No one had the strength left to separate them yet.

Far behind the front, Tel Aviv watched casualty numbers rise hour by hour while church bells, sirens, and funeral prayers began merging into one continuous national sound.

And beyond the smoke and shattered ground, olive trees still bent beneath the wind under the same indifferent sky that had watched generation after generation rediscover the terrible truth:

No amount of technology, ideology, or patriotism ever fully abolishes the ancient horror of sending frightened young human beings across open ground toward prepared guns.

From Europe, in which history is not too shorter than the Bible and there is, at least among people who could go to school, more than a bt of historical perception, it seems that in Israel, of course since 7th October , but maybe even before, the "common sense" people have been no longer at the centre of the system.

We have always seen that Israel during the Cold War has always been at war, but has remained a free State in which there were duties, rights, as far as possible Rule of Law - to be honest, far more than in surrounding Arab monarchies,- and, above all, a sincere desire to come at terms with the enemies. Like it happened in Europe after WW2, after all

Now, it seems that the immigration from Russia, where Rule of law de facto has never existed , and USA of many "hot heads" is going to marginalize the moderates and even force them out of Israel.

I am worried, because if the "impulsives and hot heads" and the "calmer moderates" cannot find a way to live together, there is a serious risk of frictions against them and friction can detonate potential explosive situations

E' senza dubbio vero, lo riconoscono anche persone che non ci sono potuti andare, che l' Università dia molto in quanto a conoscenze, capacità di ragionamento - cosa importante ancora di più se pensiamo alla concorrenza degli algoritmi di intelligenza artificiale- e di comprendere anche concetti molto complessi, ma è altrettanto vero che richiede molto impegno.

L' università chiede sacrifici, perché studiare non è sempre facile, non basta leggere una pagina per ricordarsela, spesso bisogna fare i pendolari e non è raro passare tre ore al giorno sui mezzi pubblici e in cambio non sembra dare moltissimo, a almeno, non sempre.

le ricerche Almalaurea mettono in luce il fatto che, se si disaggregano i dati per facoltà, solo poche facoltà permettono redditi maggiori dei diplomi tecnici o professionali. Certo, il denaro non è tutto, ma non è neanche nulla.

Alla fine dei conti, l' Università è un investimento che una persona, o nel caso di ragazzi giovani, una famiglia, fa per se stessa: se in cambio da poco, allora non è un buon investimento.

I Rettori dovrebbero, se possibile e per quanto possibile, rendere le loro Università più funzionali al mondo del lavoro, rendendole un po' meno autoreferenziali, soprattutto le umanistiche

Tras la publicación del libro y la posterior serie «Anatomía de un instante», el intento de golpe de Estado de 1981 dejó de ser tema de conversación. Creo que esto no es positivo, ya que muchos hechos quedaron sin esclarecer.Creo que, ante todo, debemos investigar, sin rencor ni animosidad, el hecho de que Estados Unidos hablara inicialmente de una "cuestión interna", término muy similar al utilizado en ocasiones similares en Latinoamérica, señal de que el golpe, al menos, no fue mal visto y si es cierto que Jaime Milans del Bosch solicitó ayuda a la Armada estadounidense cuando el comandante de la base aérea cercana a Valencia amenazó con repeler la columna blindada.