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With how good the Bloodline and Sami Zayn angle was, I wonder how the nWo probably the most popular stable of all them could’ve done with a Sami Zayn esque figure and storyline. In a hypothetical world where WCW creative was better. For me the perfect guy who could’ve fit that role would be Eddie Guerrero. Just the segments alone would be super entertaining.

This sub probably isn’t the type to ask this question, but what are some of your Vader dream matches. I have been obsessed with his work and find him to be the best big man wrestler ever. Maybe top 5. My three dream matches with prime 1988-1992 Vader are Brock Lesnar, Will Ospreay and Kenny Omega.

From watching his WWE 24 documentary a few years ago, I often wonder how it would’ve been if his neck had healed early. He mentioned how he was doing stunts and spears in his 2015-2016 movies and how he never got his neck checked since 2011-2012. If he was healthy, I feel the best time to return would’ve been in 2016 SmackDown live era. He could’ve feuded with prime WWE AJ Styles, reunite a feud with Cena, etc. It would’ve been peak. He probably would’ve looked super cool as he still looked really young then.

What do you guys think?

Hi guys I’ve been really fascinated with Vaders career in wrestling. Based on his 1987-88 debut in NJPW where he squashed Inoki and went on great run, how would he have done as a monster Gajin wrestler in the 2010s era or NJPW. I feel he would really fit the style today and was ahead of time. He could’ve been a great villain for Tanahashi and Nakamura. He also could’ve had a phenomenal match with Kenny Omega and if booked right been phenomenal in WWE.

What I mean is in terms of two major stars teaming up. Like the two aces teaming. Think of like The Rock and Stone Cold teaming or Cena and Orton but as an official team. Two good ideas I have is like Cena and The Rock in the 2010s. It would’ve been mainstream crazy and maybe a good one would’ve been Cena and Tanahashi.

A wrestler I have been intrigued by a lot these days is Vader. Dude was a beast in Japan and deserved better in the states. I feel like he would done amazing in the modern day if he was in his prime today. Which big boss wrestler around the 2018-2026 period of wrestling would be a good fit to make the new Mastadon?

Rebooking Brock Lesnar’s SummerSlam Career/What If Brock Lesnar Had a SummerSlam Streak?

Last Saturday, Brock Lesnar finally laced up his boots and retired in the PPV that made him in SummerSlam. Lesnar is regarded as Mr SummerSlam just like how HBK is regarded Mr. WrestleMania, Stone Cold as Mr. Royal Rumble, Bret Hart as Mr. King of The Ring and Orton as Mr. Survivor Series. I just wondered yesterday how an Undertaker esque Streak would work for Lesnar. In this universe, he stays with WWE.

After WrestleMania 20 when he left, Lesnar signs a exclusive deal with WWE from 2004-2011 where he only works around SummerSlam season. If he’s world champ after SummerSlam he stays till the next PPV. During his time off he spends time with his family, has his brief stint with the NFL and has his iconic UFC run. SummerSlam becomes his PPV.

1-0 SummerSlam 2002: WWE Championship: Rock vs Brock

SAIRL.

2-0 SummerSlam 2003: WWE Championship: Brock Lesnar vs Kurt Angle in a 60 Minute Ironman Match (Special Guest Referee: Shawn Michaels)

The match that happened at SD! Happens here as the main event of the show. HBK is added as the special guest referee due to being the first Ironman match victor. The match ends tragically as Angle fails to make Lesnar submit to the Ankle Lock due to the time running out. Lesnar laughs as HBK consoles Angle.

3-0 SummerSlam 2004: Brock Lesnar vs Stone Cold Steve Austin inside Hell in a Cell

The Raw after WM 20, Lesnar violently attacks Stone Cold, flips off and bashes the fans for disrespecting him during his match with Goldberg and quits the company on the spot. He is suspended and Vince refuses to fire his biggest attraction and sues him for contract breaching. Lesnar comes back a few months later during his suspension and interrupts matches violently. He cuts a promo with Heyman where he realized after WM 20 how exploitive this business and its fans are. They don’t care about him living life and spending time with his family and only want him in that ring. He demands a new contract where he only works summers where he can win titles, destroy people in spite of the fans. He claims he won’t prostitute his body like everyone else. Glass shatters, Austin is back and a brawl erupts. The build for the match is insane. It’s about Lesnar wanting payback aganist the fans, Vince and the company while being resentful of Austin ducking him and quitting back in 2002. Austin meanwhile finally wants to whip the one can of whoop ass he never could onto Lesnar. Vince makes a stipulation where if Lesnar wins, he gets the contract and money he wants. If he loses, McMahon has him locked down for life till he’s dead. McMahon informs Austin if he loses, he will be forced to retire. Austin stunners him.

The match is violent and starts with Lesnar taking Austin to the ground with punches only for Austin to roll out of the ring and blast Lesnar with a Steel Chair Shot busting him wide open. Austin goes for an another chair shot but Lesnar spears him through the cage door. The match goes outside the cage with an epic brawl. They get on top of the cage. Austin ends up stunnering Lesnar off the cell onto the announce table! BAW GOD ALMIGHTY HE KILLED HIM! Austin watches in shock on what he did to Lesnar. As Lesnar is being checked on Austin beats the EMTs up and drags Lesnar to the ring. 1 2 … Heyman breaks the pin. Austin puts him in the Million Dollar Dream only for a zombie like and dazed Lesnar to slowly get up and break it up. In the end after 10 mins, Lesnar finally gets the win. It took the life out of him. Lesnar is stretchered out giving the fans the bird as he’s the one who laughs last. Afterwards, the fans thank Austin.

4-0 SummerSlam 2005: World Heavyweight Championship: Brock Lesnar vs Batista in a No Holds Barred Match

After a year away to focus on the NFL, Lesnar returns to the SmackDown brand and is after the WHC in the Animal Batista. This is the ruthless aggression dream match we never got. Lesnar ends up winning with an F5 onto the steel steps. He wins his first WHC. Lesnar holds the belt till No Mercy where he defends against Eddie Guerrero and Batista. Batista has the win where he just Batista Bombed Lesnar onto the steps but as he gets the pin, Eddie strikes lighting twice with the Beast and hits a frog splash onto both men and pins Lesnar to win the WHC. RIP Eddie Guerrero 1967-2005

5-0 SummerSlam 2006: Brock Lesnar with the McMahons and Heyman vs Shawn Michaels with Triple H

The McMahons make up with Lesnar over 2004 and hire him to take out DX. He injures HHH and breaks his arm with a Kimura and debuts his mma style mixed with his 2002 style of wrestling. HBK steps up for his DX bestie and the match is made. It’s an amazing match where Lesnar wins. Lesnar is given more money and replaces big show in the HIAC unforgiven 2006 match where DX still win. Heyman leaves around the end of 2006. In the Summer of 2007, he signs on for three more Lesnar matches in 2007. Lesnar is on his own from 2008-2011.

6-0 SummerSlam 2007: World Heavyweight Championship: Brock Lesnar with Paul Heyman vs Rey Mysterio

Lesnar returns in July of 2007 and wins Edge’s Vacant WHC in a battle royal. His next challenger is the returning Rey Mysterio. It’s a similar build to the 2019 feud they had. YES have 10 year old Dom scheming with his dad aganist Brock Lesnar. The match at SummerSlam is amazing but has a shock twist. Lesnar squeezes Rey’s head like Khali did and the match ends in stoppage where Lesnar wins. Dom is traumizted and trying to wake his dad but Lesnar eyes him like prey. Before Lesnar goes full Michael Jordan, Batista makes the save for Dom. 15 years later, Rey regrets this decision. At Unforgiven 2007, Batista finally beats Brock 1 on 1. Lesnar’s gone till December. We get a rare non Summer PPV match in Armageddon 2007. It’s a Six Man HIAC Match with Taker, Batista, Edge, Rey Mysterio, Lesnar and the returning Chris Jericho. Lesnar is taken out of the match after Batista hits a Batista Bomb Onto Lesnar through the announce table which doesn’t break and Rey jumps off the cell onto Lesnar through the table. Heyman screams! He climbs off the cell! GONG! Taker chokeslams him on to the top of the cell. Edge wins the match after shenanigans.

7-0 SummerSlam 2008: WWE Championship: Brock Lesnar vs Triple H

After months away, Lesnar has gone full UFC mode. He just won his first UFC fight. He goes after WWE Champion HHH on SmackDown. This is when Lesnar’s streak becomes important like Taker’s was in 2005. HHH wants to be the first person to beat Lesnar at SS. At SummerSlam, Lesnar wins after a Kimura lock. Lesnar holds the belt and then places it on HHH and tells him to keep it warm for him. Lesnar vacates the title and focuses on winning the UFC Title. He’s gone until August of 2009.

8-0 SummerSlam 2009: WWE Championship: UFC World Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar vs Randy Orton vs John Cena

Lesnar who’s now UFC Champion is inserted into the Orton and Cena feud around August of 2009. The story revolves around who’s the best of the OWV class. Batista isn’t in this as he was injured. Lesnar now a Babyface wants to win back the WWE title and hold it with the UFC title. This drives bald orton insane. Orton invades Lesnar’s UFC fights, breaks into his farm in order to play mind games. Legacy and Umaga are beating down Lesnar in his farm till Cena makes the save. The triple threat is amazing. Lesnar wins and holds the WWE and UFC belts. The next night on Raw, Lesnar loses to Orton clean in a Last Man Standing match for the title. Orton wins by punting Lesnar onto the skull.

9-0 SummerSlam 2010: Lesnar joins Team WWE to fight The Nexus

Lesnar returns after a year to join Team WWE. This is a mind game that works as the Nexus have a target on Lesnar’s head and all of them want to be the one who end Lesnar’s streak. In the end, Lesnar and Cena are the sole survivors and the Nexus are buried. Lesnar also has a Staredown with Orton before the match.

10-0 due to Rage DQ Finish SummerSlam 2011: Number One Contendership for the World Heavyweight Championship: Brock Lesnar vs Mark Henry

Lesnar who’s no longer UFC Champion and just succesfully beat Divercitutis returns after a year away to SmackDown. He is attacked by Mark Henry who wants to induct him to the hall of pain. Lesnar meanwhile hasn’t forgiven Randy Orton for what he did in in 2011 and wants to face him at NOC. The match goes haywire as Henry absolutely destroys Lesnar in the match. He goes after Brock’s weakened ribs from his disease. Henry ends up being RAGE DQed and looks like a monster. The streak still lives. 10-0

11-0 SummerSlam 2012: World Heavyweight Championship: Brock Lesnar with Heyman vs Sheamus in a Last Man Standing Match

Lesnar returns to WWE with the returning Paul Heyman around April of 2012 and is no longer only bound by SummerSlam. He finally is able to victimize Randy Orton and them goes after Sheamus’s WHC. THEY HAVE A BANGER! Lesnar wins his third WHC. They have two more bangers and one inside HIAC! Lesnar holds the belt till Mania 29 where Ryback beats him. Ziggler cashes in the night after Mania. THANK YOU SHEAMUS!

12-0 SummerSlam 2013: CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar in a No Holds Barred Match (Special Guest Referee: Paul Heyman)

SAIRL except it’s more Lesnar vs Punk than Punk vs Heyman. Heyman in this is truely conflicted and has to choose between the two. He ends up betraying Punk for Lesnar. Punk and Lesnar have two more PPV matches afterwards.

13-0 SummerSlam 2014: WWE World Heavyweight Championship: Brock Lesnar with Paul Heyman vs John Cena

SAIRL. Lesnar completes his quest as the conqueror from beating Taker’s streak to ending SuperCena with Suplex City.

14-0 Streak for a Streak: SummerSlam 2015: Brock Lesnar with Paul Heyman vs The Undertaker inside Hell in a Cell

The Undertaker costs Lesnar his title rematch with Rollins the night after Mania and takes him out of action. Taker faces Rollins at Battekgrohnd for the WWE title where Rollins wins and Lesnar returns after Taker post match with a wild brawl. Taker wants to get revenge for the streak and wants a streak for a streak. Inside HELL IN A CELL! We get the same match from HIAC 2015. Lesnar wins. The streak lives!

15-0 SummerSlam 2016: Brock Lesnar with Paul Heyman vs The Rock II in a No Disqualification Match

Lesnar’s streak is now a phenomenon like Taker’s before him. The Rock returns around Summer of 2016. He never forgot his loss to Lesnar at SummerSlam 2002. He says it killed the Rock’s confidence. Rock wants to be the one to end the Streak. He may have been the first victim but won’t be the next. They have a feud that gets to mainstream coverage. Rock breaks with Lesnar post UFC 200. Lesnar even breaks into a Fast and Furious set and F5s Vin Diesel. He even invades a Jumaji shoot where he attacks The Rock himself, Kevin Hart and Jack Black while Heyman hits on Karen Gillian. Lesnar beats rock up similar to how the final boss beat Cody in the rain except it’s in the jungle creating a cool visual. The match is a No Holds Barred Classic, Lesnar wins via TKO.

16-0 SummerSlam 2017: Universal Championship: Brock Lesnar vs Braun Strowman vs Roman Reigns vs Samoa Joe

Same As In Real Life. The threats of the Streak are getting more dangerous especially with Joe helping with the build. Lesnar retains.

17-0 SummerSlam 2018: Universal Champion Brock Lesnar with Paul Heyman vs WWE Champion AJ Styles with Kurt Angle

The Survivor Series match happens here except with a proper feud and more time to the match. AJ wants to be the one to end Lesnar’s streak. Kurt Angle endorses AJ and warns Lesnar that AJ isn’t a joke. The match is an all out classic. Lesnar wins after an Avalanche F5 to AJ off the top rope.

18-0 SummerSlam 2019: Brock’s MITB On Tje Line: Inter-Promotional Match: Brock Lesnar with Heyman vs Daniel Bryan

Bryan who’s frustrated that he didn’t get a title rematch aganist Kofi goes after Mr. MITB Lesnar with the help of Harper and Rowan. Bryan is overconfident and claims the only reason why the streak hasn’t died yet is because he was injured as champion in 2014 and didn’t have the chance to Suplex City’s F***** head in. They have a classic with more time. Lesnar retains his MITB. He cashes in on Kofi in the first Fox episode of SD!

19-0 SummerSlam 2020: Universal Championship: Brock Lesnar with Heyman vs The Fiend Bray Wyatt vs NXT Champion Keith Lee

After losing the WWE Title in 2020, Lesnar returns to the SmackDown brand and is targeted by the Fiend Bray Wyatt. Bray forgave Lesnar for beating his family in 2016 but the Fiend never forgot. The Fiend wants the streak. NXT Champion Keith Lee is added to the match as a reward after giving away his NXT NA Championship. The Fiend enlists the help of Karrion Kross to feud with Lee and Lesnar. Lesnar and Lee grow a partnership. They even break in to the Old Wyatt house and Firefly funhouse with a tractor. In the go home show, Lesnar is about to betray Lee but Lee has his number with spirit bomb. The streak is in more danger than ever. At SummerSlam; things go all out with Lee, Lesnar, and The Fiend. Lesnar wins after a Double F5 with Lee and Fiend and pins Lee. Post Match, Reigns returns as The Tribal Chief and spears Lesnar. At Payback 2020, Reigns beats Lesnar Fiend and Lee in a Fatal Fourway where Heyman finally betrays Lesnar for Roman. Lesnar is gone for months.

20-0 SummerSlam 2021: WWE Championship: Brock Lesnar with Shelton Benjamin vs Bobby Lashley with MVP

Bobby Lashley has been the dominant WWE champion with his Hurt Business with Keith Lee, Ricochet, Shelton and Cedric. Lesnar returns as Cowboy Brock to fight Lashley who has been calling him out. Lashley says Lesnar has been ducking him since 2007 and says that Lesnar refused to fight him at Mania 23 in the Billionaires match. This creates a rift with Shelton and the Hurt Business as Brock is his best friend. The HB betray Shelton but Lesnar makes the save and they reform the Minnesota Stretching Crew to fend off Lee, Ricochet, Cedric and Omos who replaced Shelton. The feud is very UFC Esque. Lesnar wins and the streak is now 20-0. Later in the night, After Reigns beats Cena, Lesnar goes after him and Roman for revenge.

20-1 SummerSlam 2022: WWE Undisputed Universal Championship: Brock Lesnar vs Roman Reigns with Heyman in a Last Man Standing Match

The Streak finally ends here as Roman Reigns becomes the one to conquer it. It’s devastating. Lesnar leaves his gloves in the broken ring and is gone for the rest of the year.

Note: Oba would’ve been cool to end the streak but I feel with how the company was pushing reigns in 2015-2022, they would want Roman to be the one to end it.

21-1 SummerSlam 2023: Intercontinental Championship: Brock Lesnar with Shelton Benjamin vs Gunther

Lesnar returns around the Summer. Since the streak is over, he doesn’t know what to do. He nearly retires but Taker (the man whose streak Lesnar ended comes out and instills advice on what to do and whispers in his ear. He then tells him that SummerSlam doesn’t fully define him anymore and he still has time. Lesnar greets talent backstage and gives them advice. He watches the show backstage and is infatuated with Gunther and his dominance. Lesnar starts craving for Gunther’s IC belt. It’s a belt Lesnar never sought after. Gunther doesn’t think Lesnar deserves a title that he let be neglected for any years as Gunther was the one who brought honor back to it. He wants Lesnar to earn it. Also during the build, the MSC reunite to beat Imperium. They have a great match where Lesnar wins his first IC title. The record is now 21-1. Lesnar becomes a workhorse champ and holds open challenges. Chad Gable, Bron Breakker, Dragonov, Edge who’s leaving the company answer it. Gunther wins it back at Survivor Series.

22-1 SummerSlam 2024: Brock Lesnar vs Dominik Mysterio

In this hypothetical universe, Lesnar isn’t implicated in the Janel Grant case. Lesnar has a role in the WM 40 finish the story angle where he tractors Heyman out of the building during Cody vs Roman II. During Lesnar’s time off, Dominik starts skits where he talks about Lesnar traumatizing him at the age of 10 and how it hardened him up for prison life. He then starts making fun of him and mocks him with the JD and Rhea. Lesnar gets pissed. A match is made at SummerSlam. Rey hands Lesnar a belt beforehand telling him to finish the job. It’s a funny match and we even get cool spots where Rhea and Brock interacts. Lesnar wins. He looks like he will squeeze Dom’s head but decides he isn’t worth it and whips him with the belt Rey gave him instead.

23-1 SummerSlam 2025: Brock Lesnar vs Logan Paul

This is a social media viral esque feud. Lesnar wins. He then F5s both Logan and Jake Paul’s Dumbasses.

23-2: SummerSlam 2026: Brock Lesnar with Heyman vs Oba Femi inside Hell in a Cell

SAIRL. Oba wins and the streak is now 23-2. Lesnar retires.

For me, I feel Kurt Angle would’ve been amazing in any era of wrestling whether that be the 50s to 70s, the Golden Era, New Gen, The PG era, the 2010s and modern day.

I remember back in my older 2002 save, I had the rock post SummerSlam 2002 win the US Title and host a weekly open challenge. I never finished the save but had a few open challenges accepted by WWE Champ Lesnar, Eddie, Benoit and Steiner. I had planned to do ones where guys like Jarrett, AJ Styles, Ulimate Warrior and even the Great Muta in a Japan Sd episode answer the challenge. The segments would always be great do to rocks charisma and mic work. As far as rock ring work went, I altered it to be like how Cena did more moves in 2015. I had rock doing the springboard stunner, the people’s moonsault 😂, the Sami Zayn ringpost ddt, the Roman reigns dive and mutas handspring elbow.

I did this feud a few months ago on a game called total extreme wrestling. The feud and match paid off big time.

Weird ass title am I right? It has been said that HBK’s back injury healed more quickly that people thought and it was HBK’s drug addiction that held him back for a few more years until 2000. He even wrestled a match in 2000 in an Indy promotion. I think if HBK got his act together in 1999, he could’ve been the perfect person to be the one HHH hired to run over Stone Cold. It makes sense as Austin was the one who took the torch away from him back in WrestleMania 14 and it’s an easy reason why HBK would resent Austin so much in storyline as he was supposed to be the face of the WWF. It would’ve been cinema.

Personally for me, I would’ve loved a tanahashi and Cena mega powers esque tag team along with a match. I can see tanahashi’s look being a draw to casuals while the hardcore fans would also love him from his legendary NJPW run.

This is one of the sickest things I’ve seen. I love the medieval theme and doom taunting Reed with his family.