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I think Taylor is more pissed and jealous of the fact she can’t follow, or be near, or have any communication with Dakota for the next three years. I think she’s also more upset over that than still having supervised visitations with their son. She was and still is addicted to Dakota she’s basically going through Dakota withdrawals. When you think about it she can’t go to him whenever she wants attention or to hook up with him anymore.

She’s taking her anger out on everyone around her because they’re done kissing her ass and enabling her. Which honestly good for them it’s about time they stood up to her. They’re sick of her always getting a pass for everything and the double standards that are always held between her and everyone else. Something big clearly happened that Taylor doesn’t want to be out in the public.

Because they refused to film with her and paused filming and are now vocalizing how they are not longer supporting her or behavior. Mayci and Mikayla are nosy and want to know what Dakota’s going to do moving forward. Him, his lawyer, and E’s lawyers are just gaining more proof of how erratic and unhinged she is on her own. That she doesn’t need Dakota to provoke her to act the way that she does. Taylor is showing us all more and more of who she really is and the only ones that don’t see that are her delusional fans. What do you guys think?????

With everything being exposed and Taylor showing more and more that she’s a mean girl I think I understand Whitney. I originally thought she was annoying, whiny, a pick me, constantly wanting to be the center of attention, and throws a fit when she’s not. However I think she was frustrated because Taylor has always been the center of attention. Taylor was also getting a ton of grace for having an affair and getting arrested for DV/throwing a chair at her daughter. Anyone would be frustrated in her shoes because she was getting ripped apart ten times harder for her tacky rsv video.

Whitney has every right to want to distance herself from the group especially from Taylor. She mentioned how she would check on her and that it was never reciprocated. Plus Taylor started to talk over Whitney when she was opening up about Connor being on tinder. Taylor is the kind of friend that is always going through something, never learning, or growing from her mistakes. Minimizing everyone’s issues because she believes she’s the one suffering the most. What do you guys think???

Has Taylor ever gone out of her way to be there for anyone in momtok? Because from what I’ve seen Imo she hasn’t she doesn’t seem to reach out to anyone in momtok. Whitney even said in season 1 she reached out to her many times and felt like it was never reciprocated. Mikayla mentioned in season 2 she doesn’t respond to their messages very quickly. That she has texted the girls in the group back 5 days after they have reached out to her.

Yes her and Mayci did visit Whitney when she had her youngest son but that’s also what they’re taught to do in the church. When someone has a baby you stop by and see them and their new baby. I remember doing this with my mom with one of the women she was assigned to visit teach when we were Mormon. Whitney Imo seems like one who’s done the most out of everyone she cleaned Jen’s house for her. She let Jen, Zac, and their kids stay with Whitney, Connor, and their kids. Whether it was for two hours or two days her and Connor still let them come over.

She took time out of her day to help Jen practice for DWTS. I used to be anti Whitney and thought she was super annoying and insufferable. But now I get what her fans have been pointing out when it comes to Whitney. Imo Taylor has always seems like the kind of friend that thinks she’s suffering the most. That she’s the one that’s had the hardest life no one else gets to struggle because she’s the one that needs the attention. I’ve also always had a gut feeling she’s the type of friend to shove aside her friends and ditch them when a guy wants to hang out with her. What do you guys think?????

Remember how in season 2 when Mikayla was taking her anger out on Whitney? Saying how Whitney reminds her of her mom and it’s why she bullied her online and was so nasty towards her. I’ve always been surprised Taylor doesn’t trigger her well maybe that’s changed now. She’s always been one of the main ass kissers in the group up until recently. It’s very telling something big happened in order for her to call Taylor out. It obviously was building up and I still think Mikayla has every right to feel the way that she does.

Out of everyone I think Mikayla has had the shittiest life compared to everyone else. Her mom is definitely the worst compared to everyone else’s moms. Her mom put her boyfriend first over her kids just like Taylor did with Dakota. The only difference is Mikayla was being S/A’d by her mom’s boyfriend for years. Then when she came to her mom’s rather than cutting ties with the man and helping her daughter she chose to not believe her. It’s no surprise she left at 15 and fell for a grown ass adult man. In her mind she already saw herself as an adult and she even says those exact words in an interview. I’m not speaking for Mikayla personally maybe her opinion has changed who knows.

It’s super crappy of Taylor to make it seem as if she’s the one that’s suffered the most. That none of the women understand that she believes she’s suffered the most. Taylor is going to lose all the support from the people in her circle by continuing this behavior. Most people don’t want to be around somebody that behaves the way that she does. Her kids are already going through trauma of their own but she doesn’t even seem to care. These kids are not only going to have to carry this trauma with them for the rest of their lives. But they’re going to end up resenting her and possibly going no contact with her and have every right to do so. What do you guys think????

Since Taylor and Dakota have restraining orders against each other she knows she basically only has Doug. Taylor is extremely male centered and craves attention of any kind and validation. He’s gonna take her back because he benefits from her fame they both see it as a win win. I highly doubt she’s gonna marry him at most they’ll say their engagement is back on. She’s gonna rub this in Dakota’s face her fans will egg her on per usual. Dakota is gonna seek out wife number 2/ baby momma number 2. Taylor will for sure end up pregnant by Doug and have a third baby daddy.

Three years from now when the restraining orders are lifted she’ll cheat on Doug again if she’s still with him. Or dump him again for Dakota or both and will throw it in his face. Imo Taylor’s biggest fear is being completely single without a man in her life. If he becomes the next Bachelor she’s gonna crash out again. She’ll have an epic meltdown over it post even more pictures and videos of herself crying. She’ll likely end up trying to find a way to sneak around with Dakota. He will sleep with her again and threaten to report this to see her get in trouble again with the law. What do you guys think??????

Right after the swinging scandal came out I had a feeling Taylor was the ultimate villain and mean girl of the group. I kind of changed my mind in season 1,2, and 3 but in season 4 I started to think maybe she really is the ultimate villain and mean girl. The others are terrible too minus maybe Miranda from what we’ve seen so far. When you think about it Taylor was the one that threw everyone under the bus including her best friend during the swinging scandal. She said everyone is involved and everyone has hooked up with everyone which lead people to speculate everyone on the show was a swinger.

She put Miranda in the middle and told her not to tell Makenna she was having an affair with Brayden. Then she doesn’t tell her Miranda immediately that Chase said he had feelings for her saying I knew I was gonna lose you regardless. She aired out personal information of the people who were swinging’s sex life when none of them consented to it. She then gets pissy that Miranda was coming back to be on the show and keeps mentioning that Chase told her he had feelings for her knowing it was a touchy subject.

She throws everyone under the bus when they didn’t comment on her CMA post making it seem as if they all ignored her. When in reality they were all texting her throughout the night and didn’t ignore her. She knew what she was doing and knows how brutal her fans can be online. She didn’t regret what she did because she felt petty but then said I regret that you guys were being bullied.

Taylor is fully aware about what she posts and how her fans behave I think she loves it. Because she doesn’t have to do much work and lets them do most of the dirty work. She yells at the women for not telling her about Shinia and Dakota when she’s already going on a show to date 20 men. There’s a reason why they were all afraid to tell her and nervous talking to her. I don’t think she really takes accountability she just admits to making some mistakes says I was wrong but doesn’t do anything to change her behavior what do you guys think????

When the show first started I actually liked Mikayla she was pretty quiet and wasn’t instigating drama or showing mean girl behavior. I pivoted with her bullying Whitney online but I think she was doing it to gain attention. I have always seen more follower behavior from Mikayla I think it’s mostly why she started to attack and cyber bully Whitney. She wanted to bully the girl no one liked thinking she’d be praised for it. I didn’t think her change was sincere towards Whitney in the beginning.

But I was wrong I used to think Mayci and Mikayla were some of the ultimate mean girls mainly Mayci. But I think they’re outgrowing it and wanting to focus on their kids and healing from their traumas. Mikayla and Mayci have always been the ones publicly defending Taylor. They were always the main ones that kissed up to her and wouldn’t stand up to her. I think it’s very telling how she’s no longer enabling her. Clearly something very big happened behind closed doors that Taylor doesn’t want to be released.

I give credit to Mikayla for distancing herself from the group. Her leaving the state for a while is a great first step as well as therapy and trying to help her skin condition. Mikayla went about this perfectly Imo just like Miranda and Layla did on their stories. Watching Taylor is exhausting as hell I can’t even imagine how much worse it is in person. Mikayla has stood by and overlooked a lot of shit good for her for being done and standing up for herself. Taylor is pissed because she’s no longer kissing up to her.

Taylor seems like the type of friend that never learns from her mistakes, doesn’t really change, but expects everyone to still check on her. Has Taylor ever checked up on these women just curious. Because Mikayla said she doesn’t usually text back until 5 days or something. Demi and Whitney have both said they’ve reached out to her numerous times and it was never reciprocated. The mother’s day posts between the two were very different. Mikayla’s showed gratitude towards motherhood and her kids. While Taylor just played victim per usual and attacked Mikayla. What do you guys think????

I know that no one likes Taylor’s parents I still don’t think they’re the worst but they’re also not even close to the best. I give them some credit for helping out with her kids because they don’t have to help out but they do. Taylor has mentioned she was wild when she was younger and the rebel child of her family. I get the impression her parents were your stereotypical LDS parents and I see a lot of similar behaviors in the parents I would see at my old ward. From an ex Mo POV none of the stuff they say really shocks me other than them swearing.

Swearing isn’t allowed in the religion because they believe it chases away the spirit. I think they were strict hoping she’d just be an obedient Mormon girl that does everything the right way. I think when Taylor became older she was sick of it started to rebel because she didn’t want to be told what to do or how to live her life. I think it caused a lot of conflict between the three of them. I think they wanted to marry her off like most Mormon parents with their daughters.

I’ve heard one Mormon dad even say once he wanted to marry his daughter off so she was someone else’s responsibility. This is the impression I get from Taylor’s parents and why she was pressured to marry Tate. Plus they were already sleeping together and that’s a huge no no in the church. Taylor did get to party, drink, and have flings for a little while but I get the feeling she wanted to do these things longer. I don’t think she really wanted to get married and didn’t want to marry Tate. She ended up doing it because she was taught it was the right thing to do.

I don’t think any of this should be blamed for how she is now and what she’s put her kids through. It certainly doesn’t help I think her parents are ignorant and brainwashed they thought would be able to make her the same way. It clearly didn’t work Taylor leaving the church is definitely one of the smartest choices she’s made. I don’t think she’s going to raise her children to be religious which will help them a little. But won’t undo the mess and trauma she’s inflicted into their lives. What do you guys think???

New fan here so far I’ve only watched season 34,33, and 32. I don’t remember Charli D’amelio winning being controversial. I’ve been on tiktok since 2020 and I don’t remember seeing people comment about her winning with a background in dance. I know it’s controversial to a lot of people for stars to come onto the show with experience in dance. Was her win controversial comment down below!!!!

When you look back at the past three seasons Jen did the exact same things Whitney did. The women in the group are absolutely toxic towards each other. I used to be a Jen defender up until season 4 and a Whitney hater. I think the Whitney fans are right about her especially the way she’s been compared to Jen and Taylor. So far the only person that hasn’t shown any toxicity or mean girl behavior is Miranda. Jen has left and then come back at first it was because she wanted to focus on repairing her marriage with Zac. Whitney distanced herself when she was struggling in her marriage jusg like Jen.

Then she came back just like Whitney then left because of the way Demi and Jessi were treating her while she was struggling with prenatal depression. I have always felt sorry for Jen I still sort of do feel sorry for her but not to the degree I used to feel. Jen also came back to be on DWTS just like Whitney did say what you want about Whitney. Whether you love her, hate her, or somewhere in the middle where she’s not your favorite but you don’t hate her. I give Whitney credit she was honest about why she was coming back on the show.

Jen was not honest or upfront about why she was coming back to momtok. She immediately felt threatened by Whitney coming back and getting to also be on DWTS because she knew she had no chance against her. Whitney didn’t steal Jen’s dream from her that was extremely overdramatic and hypocritical for her to say. Plus Whitney was one of the only people that didn’t talk shit or judge her for having a bandaid baby. She also switched up her story from saying you checked on me one time. To you did text me but I ignored your texts or something. What do you guys think???

What were some of your worst experiences from being in Young Womens and Young mens. Here’s one of mine after 8th grade graduation the summer a month before starting high school this was one of my worst experiences. I was going on a retreat with my young women’s group and three young womens leaders. One brought her husband and we stayed and their time share in Sedona. One of my leaders who I thought was nice and had my back turned on me.

One the way to Sedona my friends were all gossiping about boys typical teenage stuff. I started to do the same with them I brought up a few conversations afterwards but not as many as some of my friends. None were innapropriate again just typical teenage girl talk. This leader pulled me aside in one of the rooms and gave me shit about it but no one else got shit for it. I think she didn’t like converts because I was the only convert in the group which I felt insecure about.

There were many times I felt like I didn’t fit in by the way some of my leaders made me feel. She then left me alone because I asked if I could be alone I think my dad sensed I didn’t want to be there because before I left he told me to call him if I was having a problem and wanted to be picked up. I texted him about what happened he said he’d still pick me up. My friends came in my room talked to me and ended up talking me into staying. But the entire time I wanted to go home I didn’t want to be around the leader. I also stopped going to her classes after that because I was done and over the way she made me feel. Tell me some of your worst experiences in the comments and how you got through them.

I don’t think any of these people well maybe Miranda are that good of friends this includes Taylor. Her die hard fans that give them shit for not continuing to support her really need to stop. She is a grown ass woman in her early 30s with young kids. They walked on eggshells around her for a while because they didn’t want to risk pissing her off. She treated them horribly in season 4 yet her fans don’t see it. They have stood by watching her continue to make reckless self destructive choices for too long.

Yes they all benefited getting famous by collaborating with each other. But at some point enough is enough anyone would be frustrated having someone in their life like this. After all the hate they got from Taylor’s fans from the CMA drama imagine how they’d be if the roles were reversed. None of them would receive grace and forgiveness by fans. Everyone would hype Taylor up if she was doing the same thing they’re doing to her.

Most people don’t want to stand by an abusive person friend wise. They are not obligated to continue to support her and be loyal to her. Taylor herself isn’t even a loyal friend loyalty goes both ways. I think the women refusing to film because of what happened with Taylor was a smart choice. I wouldn’t want to film with someone that constantly makes reckless choices and then gets special treatment for it. What do you guys think?

Now that Taylor and Dakota have restraining orders against each other for the next three years it’s why she is going back to Doug. We all obi how Taylor constantly craves attention of any kind and validation from men. There’s not a chance in hell she’s going to be single without a man in her life for the next three years. I know her fans have high hopes this is the push she needs to move on from Dakota. But it’s not a set guarantee she won’t ever hook up with him again.

I don’t see Taylor actually going through another marriage. Imo Taylor doesn’t really want to marry again she just wants more babies and partner. Outside of Mormonism it’s not uncommon for couples to live together have kids out of wedlock. Her parents will likely pressure her like they did with Tate and Dakota especially if she has a baby with him. I think Taylor is going to end up having a baby with Doug I don’t see her wanting to wait much longer. Doug will take her back because it’s going to boost his fame so both benefit from it. What do you guys think???

I think it was really nice of Dakota’s mom to give Taylor a hug. But I hope her cult fans don’t read into it too much I don’t think Dakota’s mom likes Taylor. I think she feels sorry for her and wants to remain civil because at the end of the day she’s still the mother of their grandson. I don’t think his family likes Taylor at all especially after she assaulted him in a drunken fit of rage.

As well as hitting her daughter with a metal chair or chocking him with a necklace and trying to push them while holding E. Being nice doesn’t exactly mean you like the person. It just means you want to maintain a civil relationship to make things easier. Plus Dakota’s mom is well aware her son isn’t innocent she knows he’s manipulative, calculated, and abusive. Imo Taylor is also the same way but hides it better than Dakota does.

Before I start this discussion I want to add I’m not a fan of Taylor Frankie Paul’s at all. I’ve made many posts about her shitty behavior and calling her out. Reality is scripted I think she was going to be set up to be the winner. It was said she was going to be announced on DWTS after one of her episodes of The Bachelorette aired. I’m a newer fan I started watching because of Whitney and Jen from SLOMW’s.

I noticed a lot of posts talking about how there have been Bachelors that have won the season like Joey in season 33. Also that they have had Bachelorette’s win in past seasons as well as Bachelors. Taylor was very loved and had a huge platform despite having a DV record and allegedly having new DV cases. I know it’s hard to tell who the winner would be especially since they haven’t announced all of the new contestants. What do you guys think?

I know this might be a hard one to choose from since most of the men are shitty. But I’m genuinely curious who you think is the worst of the men. I want to know who would you rank as number 1 being the worst of the men in dadtok. For me it’s a tie between Jordan and Zac.

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Out of everyone in this mess I feel more sympathy for Britney and Kevin’s kids. I see comments online where they get a lot of hate online for being brainwashed by their dad. That he poisoned them into not wanting anything to do with her. Or whenever they’re in one of her posts people accuse them of using their mom for their own fame. It’s so sad to watch them get destroyed by her fans because they’re the ultimate victims in this mess.

It’s very telling how in pictures of the boys with their mom they look like they don’t want to get close to her. I think Kevin did a pretty good job raising them and standing up for them. I don’t think they realize there’s more that happens behind closed doors. We see videos and posts of her we don’t see what happens behind a camera. I’ve seen people comment how they don’t love her if she had a daughter things would be different. The kids don’t deserve hate of any kind especially after everything they have had to go through.