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Everything Demi has said about Taylor is 100% true I’m not a huge fan of hers but I agree with what she’s said about Taylor. Taylor does tell half truths like she said in a comment when the CMA drama came out. She also said I know who you are behind closed doors Taylor alluding to her being abusive. The ways she treats everyone in momtok shows she’s always been a bully. In season 1 Jen exposed how Demi called Taylor white trash which is harsh but true. Her flirting with Brett when she was drunk was super trashy.

Although I do think Demi and Brett were aware they were at a swingers party and denied it she clearly wasn’t okay with what Taylor was doing to Brett. She also pointed out how Taylor screwed Miranda over by saying look what she did to her best friend. Since Taylor was clearly always getting the best edits I think Demi likely said more but it got cut out. Or she was afraid to say more because she was afraid of how Taylor would retaliate. We all know Taylor doesn’t take real accountability she just says shit like yeah I messed up.

But then goes on to either blame her behavior on someone else and or throw someone else under the bus. Plus I think the producers wanted Whitney to look like the ultimate villain of season 1. Demi was sick of Taylor’s shit and didn’t hold back also I think she had every right to be pissed at Liann for showing up to her party uninvited. She probably shouldn’t have yelled at her but everything she said about Taylor was still true. Liann should have stayed out of it I’m a firm believer in respecting your elders but it goes both ways.

Showing up to someone’s party uninvited isn’t a form of respect. What really gets me about Demi is her sudden change and pivot. Taylor is still everything she said before nothing changed. I think she did it because she wanted to gain grace from Taylor’s fans and so they’d pivot to her side with the situation regarding Marciano. Demi either should have stayed out of it or stood her ground again. Because her children are the ultimate victims not Taylor or Dakota and she deserved to be held accountable. What do you guys think????

Taylor’s cult army of fans have only been doing more harm and damage to the situation than good. They think they’re hyping her up and giving her the validation she needs. They place her on a pedestal telling her she can do no wrong it’s everyone’s fault around her but hers. There’s a reason why nobody minus Jessi wants to be around her. Jessi is not a friend to anyone she is an instigator and a snake but Taylor’s a snake too. Taylor is proof of what happens when they build a huge fan base that enable them no matter what. Her fans need to grow up and realize they’re not helping her at all.

But it also doesn’t help that she’s a rich white woman that can work her way around the legal system. The legal system tends to go easier on white women especially if they’re rich. They also favor mothers more than fathers even if the mother is unstable. I do think race plays a part in this and her fans think because a judge is going easy on her it means she’s innocent. Taylor isn’t innocent she needs serious help and for people to stop enabling her and babying her. Her parents clearly couldn’t take the heat for being honest with her for making piss poor choices. Not counting the disgusting remarks her dad made in season 2.

Her parents are now acting like her fans do and it’s not going to help her. But at the same time it doesn’t matter what anyone tells her. Taylor does whatever she wants and the opposite of what people try to suggest she should do. She needs to grow up and realize she’s not 14 anymore and can’t just rebel against what everyone says. Despite the fact she’ll always be able to get away with it to a certain degree it’s not good for her or her kids. She’s put her kids through so much shit and this is likely going to become another Britney situation. Her kids have always seemed uncomfortable around her and don’t have much of a relationship with her now. This is what I think will happen with her kids over time and her fans are gonna target them. The same way Britney’s fans say her kids were poisoned by their dad. What do you guys think????

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I’m not surprised Tate is sticking up for his and Taylor’s kids. He’s clearly had enough of her lies and manipulation especially since he recently spoke up and said their coparenting relationship was good until recently. Something big has happened that she doesn’t want people to know about aside from the newer DV shit she did a few months ago. I hope Taylor’s fans start to see she is the problem it’s not just Dakota. I feel sorry for these poor kids and all the shit they’ve had to endure.

I hope the judge starts holding her to the same standards he’s been holding towards Dakota. Taylor is manipulative and calculated like he is but has been getting away with it for far too long. All of the people giving her a pass, enabling her behavior, and blaming everyone in her life for her actions are not doing her any favors. All it’s done is go to her head and think she can do whatever she wants and always find a way to get herself out of trouble. What do you guys think???

Mine are that the judge is gonna continue to go easier on Taylor than he does with Dakota. Dakota will get blamed if Taylor hired a PO to stalk him which I think did happen. Taylor is obsessed with Dakota and clearly won’t move on from him. Taylor will get more time with her son my prediction is she’ll get 30% maybe 40% custody back. What do you guys think????

Since it looks like they’re likely airing her season of Bachelorette something tells me she’s still going on DWTS. I hope I’m wrong and that she’s not on this season or any season at all. A DV violent abuser shouldn’t be going on this show at all. No one with a criminal record should be on the show periodt. I’m aware they allowed Anna Delvey to be on the show and she had an allergy monitor on her. But she was at least one of the first to be eliminated off the show. Taylor has the biggest fan base from SLOMW’s out of everyone on the show. Even though she’s not a good dancer and has no talent she’s likely going to make it further than Jen for sure.

I’m surprised Whitney made it to the semi finals considering the fact she was the most hated from SLOMW’s. She was an amazing dancer love her and Mark had some of the best performances. Taylor is likely going to gain new fans from being on The Bachelorette because the producers will try to give her good edits. Or as best as they can to give her more of a "redemption arc" and the show isn’t really about who’s the best. It’s a popularity contest she’ll definitely make it to the finals hopefully she doesn’t. I hope I’m wrong on this and that it doesn’ end up happening. What do you guys think?????

The only or the main reason I should say why Chase is so well liked is because he’s the only one of the men that isn’t MAGA. It’s refreshing to see an influencer especially Utah Mormon/ex Mormon be vocal about having different beliefs from conservatives. Typically a lot of ex Mormons end up switching parties after leaving because the church is extremely conservative.

Aside from politics I don’t get why he’s so well liked he’s just as shitty and toxic as the rest of the men. Minus Connor and maybe Jacob he’s just like the other men but worse in a way. Zac and Jordan are disgusting misogynists. However they don’t really try to get with anyone else in the group.

It also helps the fact that even if they tried they’re very hated by the women on that show. Dakota is also hated by the women too and he knows none of them would even give him the time of day. Chase is a scum bag he went behind his 4 month postpartum wife’s back and told her best friend he had feelings for her. He’s as at fault for that mess as Taylor is for keeping it from her.

Then her bringing it up constantly knowing how it makes Miranda feel. I do think his frustration and Miranda’s frustration with Taylor is valid. Taylor made it seem like they were more involved when in reality they really weren’t. Chase gives off fck boy vibes I give Miranda a lot of credit for refusing to go back to him. Also he got a DUI for being under the influence of drugs and alcohol. He’s lucky he didn’t seriously hurt or even kill anyone or himself. What do you guys think???

This is what I think happened the Vanderpump Villa situation between Demi, Jessi, and Marciano. I don’t think we will ever know what happened with these three. I think Marciano instantly felt attracted towards Demi I think she had mixed feelings towards him. I think her and Brett likely experimented with an open marriage but she felt guilty due to her religious upbringing. I think Marciano fell for her but she didn’t end up falling for him. I believed her at first because I think we should always be able to believe women unless there’s proof of what happened was a lie.

I think Brett sending him door dash and her introducing her daughter to him didn’t help her case. Or saying she didn’t get attention growing up because her brother has down syndrome that wasn’t a good look for her case at all. I think Marciano tried to black mail her threatening to expose her and she panicked. Again because of her strict religious upbringing I think she panicked because she didn’t want to be seen as a cheater. Marciano was pissed she didn’t end up falling for him the way he did for her.

I think he started to try to make up things that happened between him because he was bitter she didn’t end up reciprocating the same feelings he had for her. Jessi was attracted to him but was jealous Demi was getting his attention. I think she saw it as a completion and Marciano was all for it because he’s a clout chaser. He also gives off fck boy vibes he’s such a dirt bag for getting with two married women. I think Jen couldn’t wait to throw Demi under the bus because she was upset Demi ended up calling her out for lying. Jen couldn’t handle the heat and Zac used it to his benefit to try to look like a supportive husband tell me what do you guys think???

I don’t get why so many like Trisha Paytas or want her to be on this season same with Taylor Frankie Paul. Trisha cosplayed Jon Bennettè Ramsey which is extremely gross and creepy. That was a little girl who was murdered because her parents exploited her for pageants. It’s sad how her murder was never solved and how there was never any justice for her case. For Trisha to do that speaks about who she really is as a person. Plus she mentioned wanting to sleep with Elvis’s dead corpse or something weird then name one of her kids Elvis. What do you guys think and let me know what else I’m missing on what shitty things Trisha has done.

My favorite is Miranda not only does she look like a super model and I lowkey have a crush on her. But she’s the nicest and least problematic person on the show. She’s the only one that doesn’t stir up or involve herself in drama. She’s not a bully I’m really looking forward to hearing her new song FU4 That. I’m glad to see her gain opportunities to flourish outside of the show. Also I hope she ends up on DWTS over Taylor but I doubt it will happen this year.

My two least favorites are Taylor and Jessi they’re the worst women in momtok. They’re the ultimate snakes, mean girls, they’re both selfish, and male centered. I’ll give Jessi some credit for being a successful business woman and not being a violent abuser like Taylor. Who is your favorite least favorite or two favorites and two least favorites from the show???

I don’t like Taylor, or Dakota, or her family minus Aspen. However does anyone else wonder if Dakota pointed out how Taylor was still seeing Brayden when they first started seeinh each other. I hope when Taylor called him a cheater someone pointed out she’s a hypocrite because she did the exact same thing he did. Either way I still don’t think it excuses what her dad said to her. But with reality tv shows like these they’re always edited and in Taylor’s case she was always getting good edits. I think she’s always gotten good edits and that despite her behavior I have a feeling it was 10x worse. What do you guys think????

I don’t believe any of these people are 100% honest including Whitney. I definitely think it’s not just the women in momtok but definitely the men in dadtok as well. The reasons why I say that I think Whitney has been the least dishonest is she’s been the only person to admit they’re not a sisterhood. She’s been the only one that has said we’re not really friends it’s strictly a business. She also said in season 1 that she feels everyone is mean to each other and competitive with each other. Which these women definitely didn’t like her admitting this because it went against the narrative they were trying to portray.

She admitted she was coming back for business purposes and to go on DWTS. She was the first person to admit she was sick of Taylor always getting grace. Taylor is the shittiest out of everyone in the group and the biggest snake. It makes sense she was always getting good edits by producers. The rest of the women back then were too scared to say anything aside from Demi who admitted Taylor is trashy. I think Jen came back for the same exact reason Whitney did but didn’t have the guts to admit it. They gave her a pass because of the way Zac has treated her. What do you guys think????

I think pretty much all of the women are snakes to a degree. But I think Taylor has always been the ultimate snakes of but has been able to hide it better compared to Jessi. Jessi is also a snake she’s playing sides between Taylor and Dakota yet she gets a pass. Mikayla shouldn’t have been bullied because everything about Taylor was/is true. Taylor is the ultimate mean girl, the ultimate snake, and the ultimate villain. I don’t think she really wants friends she was an entourage that will always kiss up to her.
I’ve always had a feeling since season 1 she was always the true villain and the ultimate mean girl. She never takes accountability just says yeah I messed up. Then throws other people under the bus to minimize the heat off her back.

Also both of these women are know to be cheaters and ruined their marriages for shitty men and are the two most male centered women in the group. These two can’t just be single focus on their kids and healing. They’re both super selfish and reckless I think Taylor hangs around Jessi because it makes her feel better about her shitty choices. Taylor is worse because she’s abusive and has been getting away with it. Jessi isn’t abusive she’s just a cheater that lied about who the father of her son was. Which is very slimy and terrible there’s no excuse for it but hasn’t caused physical harm towards others. What do you guys think????

Taylor is clearly seething with jealousy because she has no talent. She can’t sing that we know if she’s a terrible dancer her messy life isn’t even interesting to watch anymore. It’s just the same shit each season out of everyone she’s the ultimate snake of the group. I think in her mind because she created momtok and the fact she has been told over and over again there would be no show without her has gone to her head. But I think she’s always secretly felt that way since Whitney was seen as the villain in season 1 I don’t think people especially Taylor expected her to gain the most opportunities.

She is violent, volatile, selfish, abusive, a bully, and extremely male centered. She’ll always side with a man over a woman and praise a man for doing the bare minimum. Like she’s doing with Chase Miranda is about to release an album which is. huge deal. Her career will surely flourish the way Whitney’s career has. I definitely think the majority of the time success, fame, and people constantly telling a celebrity or influencer they can do no wrong only does more harm. All of the constant praise and enabling her fans constantly give her just makes her expect it from everyone else. As soon as they stand up to her she sees they become the villain. What do you guys think????

After Taylor admitted she cheated on Doug the day after they got engaged with Dakota agaib there’s no point of airing the show. We all know she gets engaged to Doug then breaks it off because she refuses to move on from Dakota. I don’t get why her fans still think the show should air whats the point. Outside of her delusional fans I think we all knew it was gonna be a shit show. She never came with the intentions of moving on from him it was just about trying to make him jealous. What do you guys think????

After watching and rewatching the recent court hearing I think the judge was too easy on Taylor. I’m aware she doesn’t have custody of her youngest son and has supervised visitations. However he didn’t hold her accountable to the degree he did towards Dakota. Is Dakota a toxic and manipulative POS absolutely but Taylor is worse which speaks volumes. Her behavior isn’t reactive he did add onto her volatile behavior but again I don’t think she was really held accountable.

Dakota’s lawyer said his biggest mistake in this mess was failing to protect his son. Imo there should be no excuse for that just like her being as violent as she is. Dakota’s lawyer should have played the scene from season 4 where she’s threatening to messy Shinia and Jenna up. All because they slept with Dakota when they had been broken up for a while. Not to mention she was seeinh Ben for a little bit and about to go on The Bachelorette.

Her bullying and attacking the women in her group should also prove further more on who she really is. There’s a reason why the women have been walking on eggshells around her and are clearly scared of her. I almost wonder if the judge just takes pity on her because she’s a rich pretty white woman. Or if her fans have somehow found a way to message him and he feels pressure to not call out her behavior the same way he does with Dakota’s behavior. What do you guys think?????

I’m no fan of Dakota’s or Taylor’s at all they’re both terrible and abusive people. Taylor is definitely worse she’s far more manipulative and calculated which she has been able to get away with more. Dakota mentioned in season 2 he said he gets death threats from women. This doesn’t just affect Dakota it affects his son, his roommate, and his roommate’s son as well.

I think Taylor likely hired a PI or this is the doing of one of her crazy fans doing or she found a way to stalk him. When you think about it she was demanding to know who is watching E. Which I get wanting to know where your kid is and who’s watching them. But stalking or hiring someone to do it is never okay there’s no excuse for it. If the roles were reversed I would say the same about Taylor. What do you guys think????

Taylor is one of the biggest hypocrites on this show she’s the example of rules for thee not for me.

She was pissed when Miranda was coming back to momtok and to be on season 2. She felt like Miranda wasn’t taking accountability for her part and Chase’s part in the swinging scandal. But Taylor didn’t take accountability for her affair with Brayden and glossed over it.

She was pissed Miranda didn’t tell her immediately Shinia was sleeping with Dakota. Guilts her telling her she has to choose between the two of them. Taylor put Miranda in the middle with her affair with Brayden and told her not to tell their friend Makenna.

She yells at Demi telling her did you know what you said affected my kids and Dakota. That she didn’t care because she’s a selfish bitch what Taylor has put her kids through and still does is 100x worse. Demi was right about Taylor from what she said in season 2. She said Demi bullied her online but was the one who set her fans up to bully everyone in momtok for not commenting on her CMA post.

She had a meltdown when she found out Dakota hooked up with someone at VPV. Yet flew in some guy out of state calling him a disgusting fuck boy. But it’s okay for her to date 20 men for a reality tv show. She calls Dakota a cheater but broke up her marriage by cheating on her ex husband. She still was seeing the guy she had an affair with when she first started talking to Dakota. Also she recently revealed she cheated on Doug with Dakota the night after she got engaged to him.

She diminishes the other womens issues because hers are worse and matter more. She says DV is no joke referring to why she’s no longer friends with Mayci. Who is a DV and S/A survivor who felt guilty when her ex died in a car accident while texting her. Taylor made a tiktok making a joke out of her DV arrest. What do you guys think???