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5/21 Okrand Atlantean Language Lesson: With 500s AD Sanskrit Text about City Delights: 5 21 2026

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Selection from Srimad Bhagavatam Fourth Canto Part Two via Swami P.

Dictionary selections are from my Canonical Okrand Atlantean Dictionary: Atl. To English.

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/okrands-atlantean-972010-e-canonical.html?view=flipcard&m=1

Further information on the Srimad Bhagavatam is from Wikipedia, retrieved today, Thurs 5 21 2026.

The cover image is art from the Second Dangerous Fireflies Scene of the 2001 movie Atlantis The Lost Empire where they put Marc Okrand's other major invented language.

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Ancient India Studies consistently uses AD instead of CE. I use AD because all my writings are actually in a very studied scholarly style based on inter-disciplinary consensus mixed with term-replacement for general audiences.

Some examples :

Language science = Linguistics

Word parts = morphemes

Alphabet = Phonemic inventory

Non-material culture =

Manners and mindsets

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I have 6 or so big volumes of this 500s AD Bhagavatam and could use it to make some lessons.

I'm also thinking of using the 1900s BC Ugaritic myths in bilingual or 2000 BC Sumerian epics and letters in bilingual or 50s AD Classical Chinese Lotus Sutra in bilingual.

5/21 Okrand Atlantean Language Lesson: With 500s AD Sanskrit Text about City Delights: 5 21 2026

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Selection from Srimad Bhagavatam Fourth Canto Part Two via Swami P.

Dictionary selections are from my Canonical Okrand Atlantean Dictionary: Atl. To English.

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/okrands-atlantean-972010-e-canonical.html?view=flipcard&m=1

Further information on the Srimad Bhagavatam is from Wikipedia, retrieved today, Thurs 5 21 2026.

The cover image is art from the Second Dangerous Fireflies Scene of the 2001 movie Atlantis The Lost Empire where they put Marc Okrand's other major invented language.

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Ancient India Studies consistently uses AD instead of CE. I use AD because all my writings are actually in a very studied scholarly style based on inter-disciplinary consensus mixed with term-replacement for general audiences.

Some examples :

Language science = Linguistics

Word parts = morphemes

Alphabet = Phonemic inventory

Non-material culture =

Manners and mindsets

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I have 6 or so big volumes of this 500s AD Bhagavatam and could use it to make some lessons.

I'm also thinking of using the 1900s BC Ugaritic myths in bilingual or 2000 BC Sumerian epics and letters in bilingual or 50s AD Classical Chinese Lotus Sutra in bilingual.

New Translation into Okrand Atlantean Fictional Language: 2018 Bateman Fanfic Texts

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I translated this, Larry Rogers Jr. I am not James Bateman but got his permission.

Here's the full interlinear glossed translation. The glosses do not use scientific grammatical abbreviations but English approximations to these more immediately accessible to non-specialists.

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/10/atlantean-translation-of-2-james.html?view=flipcard&m=1

New Translation into Okrand Atlantean Fictional Language: 2018 Bateman Fanfic Texts

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I translated this, Larry Rogers Jr. I am not James Bateman but got his permission.

Here's the full interlinear glossed translation. The glosses do not use scientific grammatical abbreviations but English approximations to these more immediately accessible to non-specialists.

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/10/atlantean-translation-of-2-james.html?view=flipcard&m=1

"Imperial Exam Valedictorian" in Classical Chinese from PBS Documentary with Elderly Father

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I am fluent in Classical Chinese and have studied it for 20 years and saw this in a PBS documentary with my recuperating elderly father whom my family has been caring for the past 2 years. It's the BIRD and GENTLEMAN characters starting from the right.

It has a Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinshi

I will try to post about longer texts another day or week but this is what I have for now.

I am also an expert on all 20 or so historic foreign languages of China, especially Oracle Bone Script Chinese and Tangut, if anyone wants any help studying them. And among experts, I am rare in being competent in Anthropology and Linguistics and native fluent in English, among other amazing things.

Do not feel shy! Feel free to write me here or on my facebook profile! I seek online friends, too!

Write Me for Free Help Studying Any Historic Chinese Language; Quick Intro to Them

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I'm a rare expert on all historic foreign languages of China from metro Detroit USA and Iloilo Philippines. Feel free to private message me for free help studying any of them, I can recommend the top books in English or any other language. The past 10 years, I am on the largest relevant Facebook Groups helping people study these languages and writing systems. People can also write me on any topic in Chinese history or prehistory, in any major language though I prefer English mostly, or French or German.

Larry Rogers Jr of metro Detroit USA

https://www.facebook.com/hieroglyphs/

( You can write me here or on Reddit or email me: )

larryrogersmail@gmail.com

Do not worry, I am a very kind person online and offline despite my vast learning. This is also from vast study and experience though.

I am a rarely dedicated independent scholar of 20 years with a BA Linguistics from Michigan State University from 2009. I notably attended the AOS 2008 academic conference as a non-presenting guest. My academic disciplines of competence are Linguistics then Archaeology then Anthropology then Art History. So I am foremost a language scientist and man of language and writing system mechanics. My competence in them mostly comes from 20 years studying their top professor writings and doing my own research. The past 10 years, I also have vast experience with online volunteer teaching of anyone, especially all 200 historic foreign languages, of which there's 20 major ones. The ones of China are the absolute hardest so I specialize in them.

( I repeat, I am an independent scholar and not a professor. )

I work mostly in agriculture.

A month ago, I finally decided to post a bunch to Reddit Groups.

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I specialize most in the 2 hardest historic foreign languages of China, OBS and BZS Chinese, starting 1200 BC in Henan Province in the middle. OBS Chinese, Oracle Bone Script Chinese, is the world's hardest language because: 1) lots of its scholarship is in Modern Chinese, 2) it is visually ugly, especially compared to BZS Chinese, and 3) its corpus is entirely terse daily and monthly timelines or chronicles via divination questions and answers on major and minor royal activities. The BZS Chinese corpus is similar for terse texts. Bronze Script Chinese. OBS and BZS are Jiaguwen and Jinwen in Chinese.

I also specialize in Classical Chinese writings from Confucius's Era, around the 500s BC or BCE and recently in the 1000s to 1500s AD Tangut language from north China, related to Classical Tibetan.

I also have studied Classical Japanese language and writings a great deal and historic Korean and Vietnamese languages and writings just some.

I'm mostly an OBS and BZS and Classical Chinese guy. The oldest Classical Chinese writings interest me the most but I survey it all just to be relevant for free online teaching and a rare Big Picture sort of mastery.

See, I'm a very rare independent scholar  language scientist and anthropologist specializing most in the comparative study of all 50 or so known hieroglyphic aka logographic writing systems. The 5 major families of these writing systems are Egyptian, Chinese, Mexican, and Babylonian. Cough, there's no single Linguistics professor I could point you to who knows any of this as well as me. Professor Ignace Gelb comes to mind but I don't think he was a Linguistics PhD or professor and my understanding dwarfs his. Karlgren did a lot of work on Chinese writing systems.

I also know Anthropology very well, also very rare among any type of history professor. Cough.

Anyway, so historic and prehistoric China also has or involves these languages and or writing systems :

Classical Chinese.

Sanskrit and Classical Chinese both dwarf Latin and or Greek with how much is written in them and survives. The major writings of each could maybe fit in 100 bookshelves. Loeb's Classic Library (Latin and Greek major writings) fits in 2 bookshelves and is bilingual in English though without the delightful maps and photos of the Landmark (Herodotus) series.

Classical Manchu. Lots written in this, maybe could mostly fit in 5 bookshelves.

Classical Tibetan. There's a lot written in this language. They recently found a gigantic sealed library of maybe 1600s AD texts in it.

There's not much written in these :

1000s to 1500s AD Tangut.

Classical Mongolian.

Dongba Symbols. Not technically writing but the world's greatest exemplar of "a mnemonic symbol system".

The other nearby smaller symbol system, forgot the name. Not Moso, that's an archaic or French name for Dongba or Naxi. Hmm ...

Naxi Syllabogram Writing.

This one notably needs its variant regional dialect readings documented so scientists can better guess at the age of the symbol system and or the oral text tradition in Naxi Ritual Languages which it came to be matched with.

Nushu Women's Writing.

Jurchen Script.

Larger Khitan Script.

Lesser Khitan Script.

Modern Yi Script.

Old Yi Script.

Old Zhuang. This language is maybe an Isolate or related to Thai or something.

Old Hmong.

Old Uyghur.

Classical Sogdian. Distantly related to English. Overall there's maybe 5 bookshelves of the major writings in Sogdian. I forget.

Tocharian A and B. Distantly related to English.

Sanskrit. Distantly related to English.

This language is from India yet studied in China a lot since Buddhism came over in the 100s AD or so.

Proto-Sino-Tibetan. This is not a written language but a prehistoric language known partially through scientific reconstruction.

Proto-Austronesian. "Ditto." (Patrick Swayze reference.)

I forget what else. These are the major ones and many minor ones. Bows. Questions?

Each Chinese Dialect has writings in it going back maybe to the 500s AD at most. Not much, they all mostly wrote in Classical Chinese, a distinct language underlying it. I forget which one it is closest to.

Professor Jerry Norman wrote a nice book recently surveying all the Sinitic languages of China. He also wrote the 2 major recent English language dictionaries on Classical Manchu language.

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Everyone is welcome to write me for free help studying them or to help me.

It has been very difficult the past 20 years to study all these things, for various reasons.

I'm Chinese American and Iloilo Filipino American and Mohawk Native American but encourage people outside those ethnicities to study our original and ancient languages, myths, history, and sadly forgotten wisdom. I'm Mohawk aka Kanienkehaka from a 1700s ancestress in Toronto, One Drop Rule. I also had a close Official Tribal Member mentor Mohawk in high school who sadly died 2 years after I graduated, the same year I felt the inspiration to begin studying many languages all the time.

I really dislike how Ancient China is understudied and poorly studied worldwide.

I am also fluent in reading Germanic, Romance, Latin,  Greek, Hebrew\*, Modern Chinese\*, Classical Chinese, Modern Japanese\*, and just a few other languages. \* : I'm not-so-fluent in these ones. Tons of others I can work with, especially if they are on the Google Translate website.

I was at all of the Polyglots Gathering 2026 free online conference last March, to prove my polyglotism. I will be there next year, see me on video chat.

People can also write me for help studying any language, especially obscure modern or historic ones. Historic foreign languages are more my specialty than modern obscure languages.

I have a few other specific groups of historic foreign languages that I can say I specialize in.

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I might write more some other time on this Reddit group. I'm mostly into Facebook groups the past 10 years for historic foreign languages teaching etc. The past 10 years, I read a lot on Reddit website but not so much about my specialty of historic foreign languages but about mostly Western current events or modern foreign peoples or American nostalgia.

I know that top professors know the most about their topics of specialty, so I mostly read their writings.

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I know a lot about Modern China but my specialty is Ancient China, historic and prehistoric eras. I know more about Modern China than Oxford Professor Joseph Needham did. Cough.

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Images:

The images to this post are just some books about this I could think of off the top of my head. Most are in English.

Write Me for Free Help Studying Any Historic Chinese Language; Quick Intro to Them

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I'm a rare expert on all historic foreign languages of China from metro Detroit USA and Iloilo Philippines. Feel free to private message me for free help studying any of them, I can recommend the top books in English or any other language. The past 10 years, I am on the largest relevant Facebook Groups helping people study these languages and writing systems. People can also write me on any topic in Chinese history or prehistory, in any major language though I prefer English mostly, or French or German.

Larry Rogers Jr of metro Detroit USA

https://www.facebook.com/hieroglyphs/

( You can write me here or on Reddit or email me: )

larryrogersmail@gmail.com

Do not worry, I am a very kind person online and offline despite my vast learning. This is also from vast study and experience though.

I am a rarely dedicated independent scholar of 20 years with a BA Linguistics from Michigan State University from 2009. I notably attended the AOS 2008 academic conference as a non-presenting guest. My academic disciplines of competence are Linguistics then Archaeology then Anthropology then Art History. So I am foremost a language scientist and man of language and writing system mechanics. My competence in them mostly comes from 20 years studying their top professor writings and doing my own research. The past 10 years, I also have vast experience with online volunteer teaching of anyone, especially all 200 historic foreign languages, of which there's 20 major ones. The ones of China are the absolute hardest so I specialize in them.

( I repeat, I am an independent scholar and not a professor. )

I work mostly in agriculture.

A month ago, I finally decided to post a bunch to Reddit Groups.

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I specialize most in the 2 hardest historic foreign languages of China, OBS and BZS Chinese, starting 1200 BC in Henan Province in the middle. OBS Chinese, Oracle Bone Script Chinese, is the world's hardest language because: 1) lots of its scholarship is in Modern Chinese, 2) it is visually ugly, especially compared to BZS Chinese, and 3) its corpus is entirely terse daily and monthly timelines or chronicles via divination questions and answers on major and minor royal activities. The BZS Chinese corpus is similar for terse texts. Bronze Script Chinese. OBS and BZS are Jiaguwen and Jinwen in Chinese.

I also specialize in Classical Chinese writings from Confucius's Era, around the 500s BC or BCE and recently in the 1000s to 1500s AD Tangut language from north China, related to Classical Tibetan.

I also have studied Classical Japanese language and writings a great deal and historic Korean and Vietnamese languages and writings just some.

I'm mostly an OBS and BZS and Classical Chinese guy. The oldest Classical Chinese writings interest me the most but I survey it all just to be relevant for free online teaching and a rare Big Picture sort of mastery.

See, I'm a very rare independent scholar  language scientist and anthropologist specializing most in the comparative study of all 50 or so known hieroglyphic aka logographic writing systems. The 5 major families of these writing systems are Egyptian, Chinese, Mexican, and Babylonian. Cough, there's no single Linguistics professor I could point you to who knows any of this as well as me. Professor Ignace Gelb comes to mind but I don't think he was a Linguistics PhD or professor and my understanding dwarfs his. Karlgren did a lot of work on Chinese writing systems.

I also know Anthropology very well, also very rare among any type of history professor. Cough.

Anyway, so historic and prehistoric China also has or involves these languages and or writing systems :

Classical Chinese.

Sanskrit and Classical Chinese both dwarf Latin and or Greek with how much is written in them and survives. The major writings of each could maybe fit in 100 bookshelves. Loeb's Classic Library (Latin and Greek major writings) fits in 2 bookshelves and is bilingual in English though without the delightful maps and photos of the Landmark (Herodotus) series.

Classical Manchu. Lots written in this, maybe could mostly fit in 5 bookshelves.

Classical Tibetan. There's a lot written in this language. They recently found a gigantic sealed library of maybe 1600s AD texts in it.

There's not much written in these :

1000s to 1500s AD Tangut.

Classical Mongolian.

Dongba Symbols. Not technically writing but the world's greatest exemplar of "a mnemonic symbol system".

This one notably needs its variant regional dialect readings documented so scientists can better guess at the age of the symbol system and or the oral text tradition in Naxi Ritual Languages which it came to be matched with.

Nushu Women's Writing.

Jurchen Script.

Larger Khitan Script.

Lesser Khitan Script.

Old Zhuang. This language is maybe an Isolate or related to Thai or something.

Old Hmong.

Old Uyghur.

Classical Sogdian. Distantly related to English. Overall there's maybe 5 bookshelves of the major writings in Sogdian. I forget.

Tocharian A and B. Distantly related to English.

Sanskrit. Distantly related to English.

This language is from India yet studied in China a lot since Buddhism came over in the 100s AD or so.

Proto-Sino-Tibetan. This is not a written language but a prehistoric language known partially through scientific reconstruction.

Proto-Austronesian. "Ditto." (Patrick Swayze reference.)

I forget what else. These are the major ones and many minor ones. Bows. Questions?

Each Chinese Dialect has writings in it going back maybe to the 500s AD at most. Not much, they all mostly wrote in Classical Chinese, a distinct language underlying it. I forget which one it is closest to.

Professor Jerry Norman wrote a nice book recently surveying all the Sinitic languages of China. He also wrote the 2 major recent English language dictionaries on Classical Manchu language.

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Everyone is welcome to write me for free help studying them or to help me.

It has been very difficult the past 20 years to study all these things, for various reasons.

I'm Chinese American and Iloilo Filipino American and Mohawk Native American but encourage people outside those ethnicities to study our original and ancient languages, myths, history, and sadly forgotten wisdom. I'm Mohawk aka Kanienkehaka from a 1700s ancestress in Toronto, One Drop Rule. I also had a close Official Tribal Member mentor Mohawk in high school who sadly died 2 years after I graduated, the same year I felt the inspiration to begin studying many languages all the time.

I really dislike how Ancient China is understudied and poorly studied worldwide.

I am also fluent in reading Germanic, Romance, Latin,  Greek, Hebrew*, Modern Chinese*, Classical Chinese, Modern Japanese*, and just a few other languages. * : I'm not-so-fluent in these ones. Tons of others I can work with, especially if they are on the Google Translate website.

I was at all of the Polyglots Gathering 2026 free online conference last March, to prove my polyglotism. I will be there next year, see me on video chat.

People can also write me for help studying any language, especially obscure modern or historic ones. Historic foreign languages are more my specialty than modern obscure languages.

I have a few other specific groups of historic foreign languages that I can say I specialize in.

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I might write more some other time on this Reddit group. I'm mostly into Facebook groups the past 10 years for historic foreign languages teaching etc. The past 10 years, I read a lot on Reddit website but not so much about my specialty of historic foreign languages but about mostly Western current events or modern foreign peoples or American nostalgia.

I know that top professors know the most about their topics of specialty, so I mostly read their writings.

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I know a lot about Modern China but my specialty is Ancient China, historic and prehistoric eras. I know more about Modern China than Oxford Professor Joseph Needham did. Cough.

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Images:

The images to this post are just some books about this I could think of off the top of my head. Most are in English.

Deimal 1934 Sumerian Akkadian Glossary: Images Reply and Quick Intro

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If I remember, this one is not free online, in the Public Domain until 2034, and only 5 American universities are listed as having it on WorldCat website.

But it sounds outdated and expensive, so why would you buy a copy? Nostalgia? Interest? Bookshelf decoration? A sense of erudition?

The whole thing is in German and clearly handwritten. Not a bit of the English in it, not even if you turn it sideways or upside down.

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Here's images to hopefully answer a recent post question to another Reddit group. Here is a link to the question post. I also replied there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sumerian/s/kvfXRjfLGu

I'm new to Reddit groups and see I can't reply with images as on Facebook groups. So I made this post and thought I would post it here as well.

I own these 3 books and bought them a couple months ago cheap. I like outadated scholarship and The History and Mechanics of Science somewhat and to a notable degree. But not as much as the modern world!

@PoxonAllHoaxes

Everybody is also welcome to private message me or write me on facebook with any questions on any of the 10 or so Cuneiform Languages, as I know a lot about all of them! I also can help with bibliography on any obscure foreign language, especially the 200 or so historic ones. And I've studied almost all of them the past 20 years.

My facebook address is /hieroglyphs/ . I also know Ancient Egyptian languages far better than the Cuneiform Languages.

Professor Craig Melchert once gave me a copy of his Cuneiform Luwian corpus. He will give you a copy if you email him. He works at U North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

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Images: The books and a photo of Deimal. Maybe he was Christian priest, I forget.

A Quick History of Conlanging

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In the grand history of conlanging, what are the most important conlangs or pseudo-conlangs?

JRR Tolkien's conlangs, Klingon, Na'vi, Esperanto, High Valyrian are modern conlangs of note with histories of varying length.

Well, MAR Barker's Tekemiel comes to mind.

There's various pseudo-conlangs from movies like King Kong and She by HG Haggard from the 1930s and the 1950s The Day the Earth Stood Still and Forbidden Planet.  These have their place in Conlang History.  Dark Crystal and Star Wars had a few pseudo-conlangs, if I remember.

There's also a whole world, spanning hundreds of years, of pseudo-conlang personal names and some words in fiction, like Gulliver's Travels in the 1700s and Gargantua in the 1600s.  I have also researched that some.

MAR Barker notably made a conlang, Tekemiel, for his Dungeons and Dragons -like game.  I have yet to buy the necessary expensive books to study it.

I have done a huge study on all the pseudo-conlangs of Edgar Rice Burroughs from his 1905 to 1970s Tarzan and Barsoom and other science-fiction and detective books.

In 2014, I was the first person to decipher the 1974 Pakuni language, the first conlang on TV.   I recemtly heard from Reddit User Shenbotai that there was a true conlang in a 1950 British movie but he did not say he made of webpage of its decipherment or documrntation nor published it. As is typical of amateurs.

Of course, many studies and decipherments and documentations have yet to be done, as well as possible conlang expansions and conlang derivative creations ( pseudo-conlang to conlang ).  I just try with my time to make progress on what remains to be done.

I have also done a study of conlangs and pseudo-conlangs from Star Trek and made for Star Trek by fans.

I have studied many Ritual Languages from around the world, too.  These are variations of languages used for various purposes yet called Ritual Languages by anthropologists.

The conlangs of Christine Shreyer and Trent Pehrson I have yet to document.  David Peterson's are on his website but not fully presented and deciphered by him or anyone yet.

Sign language conlangs and logographic writing system conlangs and computer-generated conlangs are all frontiers of conlanging.  There are also non-spoken conlangs which are curiosities and theoretically interesting.

Okrand Atlantean Language: All G Words from Dictionary, with New Notes by Me

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This is a section of my 2006 dictionary of the 2001 Marc Okrand Atlantean language from the Disney movie Atlantis: The Lost Empire. He also made the Klingon language and this is his second greatest conlang of maybe 10 or 20 known. I was the first person to decipher this language in 2006 and have also made a facebook group and some webpages on it and taught about it to about 100 people in 20 years. I also was the first person to decipher the 1974 Pakuni language from Land of the Lost in 2014 when I got it on my website. Here's a link to the full dictionary by me of the Okrand Atlantean language :

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/okrands-atlantean-972010-e-canonical.html?view=flipcard&m=1

I will make some additions in square brackets [[ ... ]] .

g : might : 4 : aspect hypothetical : X : V : 22 : : :

[[ Maybe this is like Subjunctive or Optative mood. It's VERB-(Passive)-g-Tense-Subject. ]]

G : : many : hand : : : : : :

[[ "Many" is how many times this letter occurs in the corpus, if I remember. Check the website. It might instead be a meaning for the letter, from its Elder Futhark or Phoenician letter name and identity. "Hand" certainly is that, at least, but from a Chinese character. ]]

gabr : you-all, formal : : P2 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 47 : : :

gabr : you-all (familiar) : 1 : : : : : : :

galem : walk, to : 6 : : : : : : :

gaman : see : 1 : unknown : : : : : :

[[ Words marked "unknown" are undecipherable and their English glosses are inventions by me based on context and similar Proto Indo European roots. ]]

gamok : Good-bye. : 1 : : : : : : :

gamos : see, to : 18 : : : : : : :

gaput : debt : 3 : unknown : : : : : :

gawen : 0.7 bushels : 1 : 24.7 liters : : : : : :

gawidin : joyfully : 1 : : : : : : :

[[ -in : -ADV ]]

gebr : you-all, informal : 1 : P2 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 46 : : :

gel… : red *geleb : 1 : unknown. Cf. German 'gelben', 'yellow'. : : : : : :

[[ *geleb is my own completion of this word, based on German for "yellow". ]]

geluk : salut, perhaps by firing a shot : 2 : unknown : : : : : :

gem : ground : 10 : : : : : : :

[[ "10" is how many this Okrand Atlantean word occurs in the corpus. ]]

genoh : place, to : 3 : may be geran : : : : : :

Geran : Armada, Fleet of Atl. Fliers : 1 : unknown : : : : : :

gesloh : 1000 : 7 : unknown : : : : : :

gesu : help, to : 2 : : : : : : :

getanos : intruder : 1 : : : : : : :

[[ -os : -ADJENTIVE, -doer ]]

gewabmok : Entrance, Great The : 2 : unknown : : : : : :

[[ -mok : -great ]]

[[ This word probably refers to the tunnel entrance of The Leviathan in The Bermuda Triangle but I included instead with this post a picture of an entrance to another tunnel leading right to Atlantis. ]]

gim : and : 44 : : C : : 79 : : :

gobeg : arm : 2 : ety. poss. 'limb, arm or leg' : : : : : :

goh/yah : cheese : 1 : unknown. Script and movie. Both seem Okrand. : : : : : :

gom : to : 15 : : P : : 65 : : :

gonosmig : giant : 14 : : : : : : :

[[ -mi-g : -ADJ-PL ]]

gwaneg : memory : 4 : unknown : : : : : :

gwelen : turn, go around something : 1 : unknown, perhaps 'to reverence, salut'? : : : : : :

gwenog : kill, to : 2 : : : : : : :

gwis : we : : P1 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 45 : : :

gwis : we : 11 : fence : : : : : :

Here's my websites' homepage with links to my other Okrand Atlantean webpages:

[[ insert later ]]

Idea for an Imitation Ancient Austronesian Language

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My major style of conlang is to use modern language words but alter their meanings to imitate an ancestral language. But without historic sound changes. I'd also pull from multiple Austronesian languages, if I had the dictionaries, which I do. And I d pair it to a simplified grammar based on Proto Austronesian or Proto Formosan or such.

I did an Imitation Ancient SE Asian Language like this within the past 5 or 10 years.

I know comparative etymology very well and have studied just about all 200 historic foreign languages that exist, the past 20 years.

Here's a partial list in a Wikipedia article :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_first_written_account

Okrand Atlantean Language: All G Words from Dictionary, with New Notes by Me

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https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/okrands-atlantean-972010-e-canonical.html?view=flipcard&m=1

I will make some additions in square brackets [[ ... ]] .

g : might : 4 : aspect hypothetical : X : V : 22 : : :

[[ Maybe this is like Subjunctive or Optative mood. It's VERB-(Passive)-g-Tense-Subject. ]]

G : : many : hand : : : : : :

[[ "Many" is how many times this letter occurs in the corpus, if I remember. Check the website. It might instead be a meaning for the letter, from its Elder Futhark or Phoenician letter name and identity. "Hand" certainly is that, at least, but from a Chinese character. ]]

gabr : you-all, formal : : P2 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 47 : : :

gabr : you-all (familiar) : 1 : : : : : : :

galem : walk, to : 6 : : : : : : :

gaman : see : 1 : unknown : : : : : :

[[ Words marked "unknown" are undecipherable and their English glosses are inventions by me based on context and similar Proto Indo European roots. ]]

gamok : Good-bye. : 1 : : : : : : :

gamos : see, to : 18 : : : : : : :

gaput : debt : 3 : unknown : : : : : :

gawen : 0.7 bushels : 1 : 24.7 liters : : : : : :

gawidin : joyfully : 1 : : : : : : :

[[ -in : -ADV ]]

gebr : you-all, informal : 1 : P2 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 46 : : :

gel… : red *geleb : 1 : unknown. Cf. German 'gelben', 'yellow'. : : : : : :

[[ *geleb is my own completion of this word, based on German for "yellow". ]]

geluk : salut, perhaps by firing a shot : 2 : unknown : : : : : :

gem : ground : 10 : : : : : : :

[[ "10" is how many this Okrand Atlantean word occurs in the corpus. ]]

genoh : place, to : 3 : may be geran : : : : : :

Geran : Armada, Fleet of Atl. Fliers : 1 : unknown : : : : : :

gesloh : 1000 : 7 : unknown : : : : : :

gesu : help, to : 2 : : : : : : :

getanos : intruder : 1 : : : : : : :

[[ -os : -ADJENTIVE, -doer ]]

gewabmok : Entrance, Great The : 2 : unknown : : : : : :

[[ -mok : -great ]]

gim : and : 44 : : C : : 79 : : :

gobeg : arm : 2 : ety. poss. 'limb, arm or leg' : : : : : :

goh/yah : cheese : 1 : unknown. Script and movie. Both seem Okrand. : : : : : :

gom : to : 15 : : P : : 65 : : :

gonosmig : giant : 14 : : : : : : :

[[ -mi-g : -ADJ-PL ]]

gwaneg : memory : 4 : unknown : : : : : :

gwelen : turn, go around something : 1 : unknown, perhaps 'to reverence, salut'? : : : : : :

gwenog : kill, to : 2 : : : : : : :

gwis : we : : P1 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 45 : : :

gwis : we : 11 : fence : : : : : :

Okrand Atlantean Language: All G Words from Dictionary, with New Notes by Me

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https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/okrands-atlantean-972010-e-canonical.html?view=flipcard&m=1

I will make some additions in square brackets [[ ... ]] .

g : might : 4 : aspect hypothetical : X : V : 22 : : :

[[ Maybe this is like Subjunctive or Optative mood. It's VERB-(Passive)-g-Tense-Subject. ]]

G : : many : hand : : : : : :

[[ "Many" is how many times this letter occurs in the corpus, if I remember. Check the website. It might instead be a meaning for the letter, from its Elder Futhark or Phoenician letter name and identity. "Hand" certainly is that, at least, but from a Chinese character. ]]

gabr : you-all, formal : : P2 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 47 : : :

[[ 2PL formal. R here means "pronoun". ]]

gabr : you-all (familiar) : 1 : : : : : : :

galem : walk, to : 6 : : : : : : :

gaman : see : 1 : unknown : : : : : :

[[ Words marked "unknown" are undecipherable and their English glosses are inventions by me based on context and similar Proto Indo European roots. ]]

gamok : Good-bye. : 1 : : : : : : :

gamos : see, to : 18 : : : : : : :

gaput : debt : 3 : unknown : : : : : :

gawen : 0.7 bushels : 1 : 24.7 liters : : : : : :

gawidin : joyfully : 1 : : : : : : :

[[ -in : -ADV ]]

gebr : you-all, informal : 1 : P2 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 46 : : :

gel… : red *geleb : 1 : unknown. Cf. German 'gelben', 'yellow'. : : : : : :

[[ *geleb is my own completion of this word, based on German for "yellow". ]]

geluk : salut, perhaps by firing a shot : 2 : unknown : : : : : :

gem : ground : 10 : : : : : : :

[[ "10" is how many this Okrand Atlantean word occurs in the corpus. ]]

genoh : place, to : 3 : may be geran : : : : : :

Geran : Armada, Fleet of Atl. Fliers : 1 : unknown : : : : : :

gesloh : 1000 : 7 : unknown : : : : : :

gesu : help, to : 2 : : : : : : :

getanos : intruder : 1 : : : : : : :

[[ -os : -ADJENTIVE, -doer ]]

gewabmok : Entrance, Great The : 2 : unknown : : : : : :

[[ -mok : -great ]]

gim : and : 44 : : C : : 79 : : :

gobeg : arm : 2 : ety. poss. 'limb, arm or leg' : : : : : :

goh/yah : cheese : 1 : unknown. Script and movie. Both seem Okrand. : : : : : :

gom : to : 15 : : P : : 65 : : :

gonosmig : giant : 14 : : : : : : :

[[ -mi-g : -ADJ-PL ]]

gwaneg : memory : 4 : unknown : : : : : :

gwelen : turn, go around something : 1 : unknown, perhaps 'to reverence, salut'? : : : : : :

gwenog : kill, to : 2 : : : : : : :

gwis : we : : P1 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 45 : : :

gwis : we : 11 : fence : : : : : :

Okrand Atlantean Language: All G Words from Dictionary, with New Notes by Me

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Okrand Atlantean Dictionary made by me from my 2006 decipherment, the world's first.

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/okrands-atlantean-972010-e-canonical.html?view=flipcard&m=1

I will make some additions in square brackets [[ ... ]] .

g : might : 4 : aspect hypothetical : X : V : 22 : : :

[[ Maybe this is like Subjunctive or Optative mood. It's VERB-(Passive)-g-Tense-Subject. ]]

G : : many : hand : : : : : :

[[ "Many" is how many times this letter occurs in the corpus, if I remember. Check the website. It might instead be a meaning for the letter, from its Elder Futhark or Phoenician letter name and identity. "Hand" certainly is that, at least, but from a Chinese character. ]]

gabr : you-all, formal : : P2 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 47 : : :

gabr : you-all (familiar) : 1 : : : : : : :

galem : walk, to : 6 : : : : : : :

gaman : see : 1 : unknown : : : : : :

[[ Words marked "unknown" are undecipherable and their English glosses are inventions by me based on context and similar Proto Indo European roots. ]]

gamok : Good-bye. : 1 : : : : : : :

gamos : see, to : 18 : : : : : : :

gaput : debt : 3 : unknown : : : : : :

gawen : 0.7 bushels : 1 : 24.7 liters : : : : : :

gawidin : joyfully : 1 : : : : : : :

[[ -in : -ADV ]]

gebr : you-all, informal : 1 : P2 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 46 : : :

gel… : red *geleb : 1 : unknown. Cf. German 'gelben', 'yellow'. : : : : : :

[[ *geleb is my own completion of this word, based on German for "yellow". ]]

geluk : salut, perhaps by firing a shot : 2 : unknown : : : : : :

gem : ground : 10 : : : : : : :

[[ "10" is how many this Okrand Atlantean word occurs in the corpus. ]]

genoh : place, to : 3 : may be geran : : : : : :

Geran : Armada, Fleet of Atl. Fliers : 1 : unknown : : : : : :

gesloh : 1000 : 7 : unknown : : : : : :

gesu : help, to : 2 : : : : : : :

getanos : intruder : 1 : : : : : : :

[[ -os : -ADJENTIVE, -doer ]]

gewabmok : Entrance, Great The : 2 : unknown : : : : : :

[[ -mok : -great ]]

gim : and : 44 : : C : : 79 : : :

gobeg : arm : 2 : ety. poss. 'limb, arm or leg' : : : : : :

goh/yah : cheese : 1 : unknown. Script and movie. Both seem Okrand. : : : : : :

gom : to : 15 : : P : : 65 : : :

gonosmig : giant : 14 : : : : : : :

[[ -mi-g : -ADJ-PL ]]

gwaneg : memory : 4 : unknown : : : : : :

gwelen : turn, go around something : 1 : unknown, perhaps 'to reverence, salut'? : : : : : :

gwenog : kill, to : 2 : : : : : : :

gwis : we : : P1 independent pronoun, used emphatically : R : : 45 : : :

gwis : we : 11 : fence : : : : : :

Thoughts on Jessie Peterson Lecture at Kopikon II Online Conference, Oct 17 2025, 134 Views: After Watching All of It

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https://youtu.be/JpmzPnm89WM?si=OPC2tkzeHV9uazwb

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Here are thoughts after the first 6 minutes:

[ I later watched the rest. ]

My view of conlanging is very different from this. I don't like the common idea of it as an art so much as I promote it as science. Art is too mindless. Real languages are not empty and ignorant visuals and empty, flowery yes-men talk for rich dupes. Los Angeles's Tongva aka Gabrielino aka Kizh language is not your private game and private club and garden, nor is Latin nor Egyptian Hieroglyphic, nor Wampanoag nor Tangut not Elamite nor Modern Qiang.* They and their ancient writings and myths should be free and accessible to all the people for the much-needed improvement of the world. And movie conlangs likewise, which make these languages and their exotic grammar accessible to everyone worldwide.

* See Appendix A explaing these languages ... and their more difficult characters.

It's important to remember that :

<< Jessie Sams earned her PhD in Linguistics from the University of Colorado Boulder, with a dissertation titled "A Syntactic Analysis of Written English Quotatives". According to her curriculum vitae, the degree was completed in 2012. [1, 2] >> - Google AI, when asked.

2009 to 2025 she was an academic then professor.

<< Jessie Sams was a professor of linguistics at Stephen F. Austin State University from August 2009 to early 2022. She served as an Assistant Professor (2009–2015) and later an Associate Professor (2015–2022), where she taught linguistics and developed a conlanging course, before transitioning to a full-time professional conlanger. [1, 2, 3, 4] >>

Google AI is wrong here. When I strictly refer to professors, I refer to tenured professors, something very very different from assistant professors or associate professors and to which these two aspire. Also in my many writings over 20 years, I often title people professors who are far from tenured professors, as a vernacular usage.

Tenured professors and other academics notably have many ignorances, weaknesses, and failings. Yet I have spent a life studying their writings _mostly_ for the opposite, lamenting their mistreatment in modern (and far less so in historic and prehistoric) times. [[ Ignore Note 1 below. ]]

For crucial background, dear readers and friends, read the heart-breaking yet enlightening book "Ms. Mentor's Impeccable Advice for Women in Academia" by English and Women's Studies Professor Emily Toth from 1997 (at Louisiana State University). Also read the 1800s life of Madame Curie and the c 1905 life of the second wife of Percival Lowell.

You should also realize that Linguistics has always been a woman-dominated academic discipline and an extension in Academia of the Pink Ceiling world of work. This is maybe unique in all the Sciences academic disciplines. I myself specialize somewhat in Women's Studies and History of Science.

Which academic disciplines have the most women academics and professors?

It is most notable that my question to Marc Okrand at Conlang Adventure 2026 about Professor Mary Haas was ignored by his young male Klingonist helper.

My own independent scholar career or avocation was begun or continued or much helped by the sole Linguistics Professor Victoria Bergval at Michigan Technological University in 2005 or so. (2004 to 2009 I went to college.)

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After watching the whole thing :

Her degree and professor career are tremendous accomplishments for science. Note yet that these are still not yet top universities, of which Leiden U is best in the world and UC Bekeley is best in the USA (both at least for the study of historic foreign languages generally, a lesser specialization of mine). Jessie Peterson nee Sams's husband David Peterson has a BA Linguistics and BA English from UC Berkeley:

<< Studying at University of California, Berkeley (1999–2003), Peterson received BA degrees in English and in linguistics.[3] He received an MA in linguistics from University of California, San Diego (2003–2006).[3] >>

- Wikipedia, his article.

University of Colorado Boulder is also a middle-tier university in the USA, as is UC San Diego. I never saw a top publication from such universities.  UC Berkeley and UCLA and maybe UC Santa Barbara are the best universities in the USA and California state [province] in the USA.

I have a BA Linguistics from the even lesser Michigan State U in 2009, which had a full faculty, yet escaped this systematic racist oppression and plutocracy to avoid grad school and study the very best professor writings on my own the past 20 years, both understanding them at a deep level, applying them, and excelling them in some ways in my private research and writings. 

( But I did teach English for K-12 and college overseas from 2009 to 2016. I had yet to figure out how not to be a very boring teacher, though I was actually among the most skilled from Day One. )

( I am otherwise an independent scholar of 20 years of Linguistics then Archaeology then Anthropology then Art History. Note that Art History is an academic discipline totally different from Art. This is not a job but a hobby for me, though related to my professional skills. )

( However, I otherwise mostly work in agriculture and have certification in the easy and lucrative field of medical records coding and billing. You could do it, anybody could do it.  There's money and good honest work in good honest plants. In everything you do, it helps a lot to have a good employer who cares for you, if possible. I know at least one. I was also a northern California forest firefighter during college, though I'm from the rural outskirts of metro Detroit. I took many courses toward a BS Petroleum Engineering in college. )

I am the world's top expert on conlangs as academics don't specialize in it enough to have much worthwhile to say about it. This all is just a bad sign that nobody cares about conlangs. Conlangs are also not my top specialty within Linguistics. My # 1 specialty is all 50 logographic writing systems, regarding which I'm lightyears ahead of the professors. But also just because nobody cares about the comparative study of logograpgic writing systems. Which is why I chose the topic back in 2008. ( Linguistics is a small and rare academic discipline, moreso than archaeology, and it mostly focuses on living spoken / non-signed languages, not writing systems, for theoretical and probably ideological reasons. )

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Well, David Peterson and Jessie Peterson should put all their conlangs free online.  All or many of David Peterson's movie conlangs are, though always only partially and without full interlinear glossed corpus with notes. Then they will be accessible to the whole world and their achievements will be realer than mere claims.

They should also study under me, as I understand conlanging the best. Instead, they two have been both well- and poorly- created and maintained by the online worldwide conlanging communites.

( And they, nor you, should not listen to these recent suspicious lies online about me by certain persons who misunderstand my own words and perhaps carelessly consider me a person of no Language Science understanding and scholarly tact, despite my many website and Facebook group writings from the past 20 years. Such is the carelessness of amateurs, or perhaps the lies of professionals.

Oppose this obvious racist oppression and silencing with me, dear readers and fans. This is raging and abusive Anti-Intellectualism undermining world and USA Science yet supposedly originating in Poland and France. )

This creation and maintaining is a complex matter: The best of modern conlanging must be learned over years from studying with its master conlangers online. There is no other quality conlanging. Yet there should be, as it also is flawed.

A PhD Linguistics is not enough to make a good conlang.

The world's ultimate masters of languages are Language Scientists by which I refer to professors of Linguistics and especially those at the very top universities. ( A tenured Linguistics professor has a PhD Linguistics but also top academic articles and years of teaching accomplished. )

The world's ultimate masters of understanding humans are Anthropologists, professors of Anthropology and especially those at the very top universities.

Top conlangers of the past 100 years are all lacking to the degree that they have neglected the study and understanding of top Linguistics and Anthropology writings as well as the world's most exotic and obscure foreign languages and writing systems. All of which I have done over 20 years, informing my own astounding conlangs, the most important of which already are online on my website:

"Any Language at All" and "Navi Dothraki" :

Blog / Website Link:

http://anylanguageatall411.blogspot.com/2015/04/guide-to-any-language-at-all-website.html?view=flipcard

Facebook Group:

Ancient Languages

20k members

https://m.facebook.com/groups/288174461281795/

Facebook group:

Free Lessons in Egyptian Hieroglyphic Demotic Hieratic Coptic 𓂋 𓏫  𓆎 𓊖

70k members

https://m.facebook.com/groups/577412899069249/

So this is The Great Paradox of Conlanging. If you spend decades studying the best conlangs in the world and their conlangers, and know Linguistics and Anthropology very well, you will realize that few conlangers know either Linguistics nor Anthropology nor Any Exotic Foreign Language well. Yet I think top conlanger Elemtilas knows the Filipino language well.

There are few conlangers with PhD's or professor careers in Linguistics or Anthropology or Any Exotic Foreign Language. Yet their conlangs are the best and I have studied them.

Yet why do I instead focus moreso on movie conlangs, which even top conlangers realize and decry as all inferior?

Their inferiority is explained or alluded to by Jessie Peterson nee Sams in her YouTube video: They are part of a grand cooperative project of movie makers involving professional artists of many sorts. Yet my interest also originates in the accessible and appealing nature of movies, worldwide.

Who in the world can afford to view a movie or buy a DVD, even a pirated one?

Movie conlangs are World Heritage made into a small and digestable toy. Yet without full online presentation and free online teachers, these teaching toys can only be viewed in display cases, like mannequins coming alive at night. Or like most of the world's exotic foreign languages, not free online but maybe $50 a dictionary, far beyond a Third World budget, where even time online is a bridge too far. Structured audio gibberish approximating foreign language unintellibileness is, actually and scientifically, very different. I see it as science moreso than art. It is also reflection of all the real languages from which it pulls.

Thus in 2006 and 2014 I deciphered and put free online the movie conlangs from 2001 Atlantis The Lost Empire and 1974 Land of the Lost and 2012 John Carter of Mars, Marc Okrand Atlantean and Victoria Fromkin Pakuni and Paul Frommer Barsoomian. And sometimes do webpages and Facebook Group posts making them available to all and making new sizeable translations into them.

And with them, I promote Science and the documentation and studying and revival of the world's many more-obscure yet varingly-important foreign languages, and also the most popular which need less of a champion, though only in some ways. Language Scientists are rare and preside over all languages, yet actually almost exclusively the most popular languages and certain living obscure languages (not really any historic foreign language, not even Latin, nor the sign languages).

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Jessie Peterson's video is best understood by realizing that conlanging is a form of poetry and usually-amateur study of Linguistics and Obscure and Exotic Foreign Languages.

For her, it's also a form of Academic Popularizing and universal public teaching. Her YouTube videos and website are free and her books are probably about $30 new and $5 used. She talks a lot in the video about a new book of hers that her husband encouraged her to write, "How to Create a Language" by the accomplished and prolific and British* Oxford University Press.

A few years ago, I bought and read all David Peterson's books, even Zaanics 1 and 3.

* Pronounced "Bratish" and "Cumbersome"  in some dialects. Notably just outside the boarders of the Mean Greenlands, also called the Greed Badlands..

( Many of these asterisked footnotes and postscript sections are satirical and non-literal, though literary and wary. Often they make easy or obscure puns. )

<< How to Create a Language: The Conlang Guide: Published in late 2025 by Cambridge University Press.

A Conlang-Venture

A Discovery of Conlangs and Conlangers: A Personal History: A personal essay and history of her journey into the world of language creation, published through Fiat Lingua.

LangTime Studio: While not a book, this weekly YouTube livestream co-hosted with her husband David J. Peterson is a significant resource where they document the creation of professional languages for films like Dune: Part Two and Elemental. 

YouTube +4

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Professional academics will probably decry her move to not get tenured professorship, if she would have ever got it. They're all (and all- ) focused on their careers and often online despise and ignore me their biggest- and most- devoted fan. Their favorite fans are their graduate students, who pay a lot for the attention and often seem to leave Academia, sooner or later, quite bitter*.

* Also pronounced "bratter" or "brater" in some dialects and dialexicons.

What do I know? Not everything. I highly value free public education and educational freedom (from oppression) and readable books by Academic  Popularizers and Science Popularizers** like Brian Fagan and Margalit Fox* and Stephen Pinker and Forever-Young Rascal King Michael Crichton and Stephen Gould and Samuel Noah Kramer and Elizabeth Peters* and Stephen Hawking and his wife (wives?)*.

* These authors are notably women.

** Pronounced "Depopularizers" in some dialects and idiolects. Billy Joel also had a song about this, "Why Should I Worry?" from Disney's 1980s movie "Oliver and Company".

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However, I much prefer and instead moreso promote writings by professors and other academics, not moreso these Academia / Science Popularizers.

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With YouTube videos of only 134 views, she'd get way more readers writing for Academia in academic journals ( probably about 1.34 million readings worldwide in a lifetime, many in modern scientific India).

Yet she reaches me and you, and I reach hundreds who reach thousands, etc.

I'd maybe reach more with YouTube videos but it's a very lucrative though popularizing (and time-consuming) format. I try to reach people and be accessible. It seems to me that lots of people don't know how to search the internet or even find the more-ethical content by little guys.

The people want agricultural products, clearly.

Her LangTime Studio YouTube channel's most popular video has 3k views.

* See notes on the years 2020 to 2023 AD or CE. "Hindsight is 20/20."

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I have studied briefly many of the invented languages of David Peterson and thus also of Jessie Peterson. Yet without full free online interlinear gloss and grammar to check it, they are scientifically not invented languages nor conlangs but instead claims of them which may be lies.

Peer-review has its place here outside Academia as well, or something like peer-review.

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Who does not like toys and hobby products, worldwide?

Conlangs, invented languages, are like toy or miniature* languages and worlds.

And many like poetry.

Yet conlanging and conlangs have maybe 500 or 5,000 involved hobbyists at any given time. And maybe 100 professionals  worldwide, and 2 full-time professionals who probably also drive Uber and grow vegetable gardens. **

So the next time you see an Uber driver, realize that they might be 1 of 3 professional language creators in disguise. Or an angel in disguise.

"But I got wise." - Elvis, 1950s.

* This idea is from University of Rochester New York State USA Medievalist Professor Sarah Higley's lecture at Conlang Adventure 2026 free online conference. And she has published in academic journals about conlangs.

** I include this and the above references to lucrative employment for the sake of educating a wider and poorer (or thriftier) audience. Also over the past 20 years, I have read much wonder regarding professional conlanging jobs and I wish to emphasize that they seem to be very few and make little money and thus for the already-rich (or the romantic and/or foolish, as Phillistines or Phrygians might call it). In none of the above do I intend to offend and a more careful reading will find me both deeply knowledgable and considerate to all involved. Though not  always interacting with peers or equivalents. Where I risk offending some of my audience, I do it with satire to educate and validate others in my audience who probably have had to endure, or may have to endure, the former.

** Ahem. I do worry that some conlangers are anti-social or unfriendly or bad at English or suspicious and malevolent. Perhaps over-literal, jealous, ignorant, boorish, petty. Thus I have tried to depart from my usual Facebook Group writing style to reach and damage-control such people. Yet Internet Trolls are usually not subtle and universally recognized as empty hecklers and despicable and curious rascals and pestilences. To what degrees ought we tolerate or accomodate such outlaws? They would put the con in conlanger and have the last word be a bad word, and even all rule be misrule.

** I can only accomodate the over-sensitive and ignorant so much while staying true to Excellence in Scholarship.

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Post-script Sections:

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Appendix A:

<< Los Angeles's Tongva aka Gabrielino aka Kizh language is not your private game and private club and garden, nor is Latin nor Egyptian Hieroglyphic, nor Wampanoag nor Tangut not Elamite nor Modern Qiang. >>

Tongva is the 1905-documented Original Native American language of Los Anfeles which I will put free online the first dictionary if in the next 2 years.

( I am 1 of 5 experts in this language in the whole world. )

Latin is the world's most popular historic foreign language yet far less popular than English or French. It has many historic writings in it yet far less than Sanskrit from India or Classical Chinese from China.

( Latin probably has 5,000 experts worldwide but only 10 of them have PhD's in Linguistics or equivalent knowledge through rare private study and opposition to racist oppression. )

Egyptian Hieroglyphic aka Middle Egyptian is less popular yet than Latin yet has many writings in it from 1,500 to 2,500 years before, like the Older Babylonian and Younger Babylonian languages (Sumerian and Akkadian).

( I am 1 in 100 experts worldwide for each of these 3 languages.)

1600s Massachusett aka Wampanoag language was recently revived by Professor jessie bairds and crew, though not as accessibly as I and the 1600s Native Americans would prefer.

It is the # 1 most important historic language from the USA and Canada.

( I am 1 of 5 experts in this language in the whole world. )

I'm Native American Mohawk aka Kanienkehaka by Blood and One Drop Theory and also Iloilo Filipino American. My stance is that everyone should be able to and encouraged to study Native American languages and associated myths because 1600s Native Americans clearly taught thus and because the world now sorely needs the wisdom of these writings in English and their crucially insightful Original Languages. Most of the best things written in English are these many 1800s-documented myths. I'm otherwise mostly British American, in case anybody's interested. I especially consider myself a Scientist yet disagree with other scientists on certain mattters.

1000s AD to 1500s AD Tangut from North China is the # 2 most important historic language from China and # 18 worldwide. It has the world's hardest writing system.

( I am 1 of 20 experts in this language in the whole world. )

The Modern Qiang language is spoken by about 5,000 people living in farming villages in the mountains of the Sichuan Province mountains situated in China. Not to be confused with the Saskatchewan Province mountains of central Canada. Top scientists like Professor Lyle Campbell say Modern Qian  is the closest living language to 1000s AD Tangut language.

Elamite is the oldest written language of Iran aka Persia and only has maybe 10 or 20 full paragraphs written in it, unlike Pahlavi aka Middle Persian which has much written in it, notably The Persian Book of Kings aka Shahnameh.

( I am 1 of 5 experts in this language in the whole world, and 1 of 5 for maybe 10 other obscure yet important historic foreign languages, notably Old Khmer language of Cambodia.)

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Note 1 Above:

( The next two notes are satirical and allegorical, using puns and references. I have to say these things for the dull-witted and for careless readers.)

<<< In the beginning /

There was the cold and the night /

Prophets and angels gave us the fire and the light /

Man was triumphant /

Armed with the faith and the will / ... >>

- 1980s Billy Joel song, 2000 Years.

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Note 1 Below:

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Congratulations, reader! Note 1 below successfully ignored!

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Written on Weds 4 29 2026.

Edited for R/Conlang on Weds 4 29 2026.

2012 Paul Frommer Barsoomian Language: Deciphered First by Me in 2015, Website'd

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I recently found that my deciphered interlinear gloss corpus of 2012 Paul Frommer Barsoomian language had gone down. It was mostly screen captures of a Weebly webpage I made in 2015 and the images all broke. Yet there was a Box.Com link to the source Excel spreadsheet with full interlinear glossed corpus.

( The Barsoomian language is from 1905 to 1970s books by Edgar Rice Burroughs, most famous today for Tarzan, that inspired Superman and the Avatar movies and all American Science-Fiction etc. His many books have many pseudo-conlang words which I documented and studied but never shared online and a few conscripts and pseudo-conscripts. )

So I downloaded that Excel spreadsheet and copied it into a new webpage:

Barsoomian Corpus Interlinear Translation 2

By Larry Rogers

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2026/04/barsoomian-corpus-interlinear.html?view=flipcard&m=1

And then here's my grammar webpages, etc, for this language. I apparently never made a dictionary webpage but the Excel spreadsheet doubles as a dictionary if you sort the Barsoomian language words column alphabetically.

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Everybody is welcome to contact me with questions:

larryrogersmail@gmail.com

https://m.facebook.com/hieroglyphs/

( I prefer this one but realize most people prefer internet anonymity. )

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This first webpage hasn't worked in years, if I remember, and it's the one I just replaced :

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Barsoomian Corpus Interlinear Translation

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/barsoomian-corpus-interlinear.html?view=flipcard

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Paul Frommer's Barsoomian : Deciphered and Developed Reference Grammar

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/paul-frommers-barsoomian-deciphered-and.html?view=flipcard

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Deciphered and Developed Barsoomian Grammar #2

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/deciphered-and-developed-barsoomian.html?view=flipcard

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Paul Frommer's Barsoomian : Deciphered and Developed Reference Grammar IMAGES

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/paul-frommers-barsoomian-deciphered-and\_19.html?view=flipcard

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Paul Frommer's Barsoomian : Fonts and Guide for Disney's Alphabet and Mine

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2015/04/paul-frommers-barsoomian-fonts-and.html?view=flipcard

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My facebook group of 10 years on this and associated pseudo-conlangs :

Barsoomian Language from 2010 Disney "John Carter

76 Members

https://www.facebook.com/groups/702538733200456/

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Most of my webpages are listed here by language family:

"Any Language at All" and "Navi Dothraki" :

Blog / Website Link:

http://anylanguageatall411.blogspot.com/2015/04/guide-to-any-language-at-all-website.html?view=flipcard

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But I need to re-do the interlinear glossed corpus as it is unintentionally difficult to follow whereas it's few lines and should be all far more simple and accessible. Sorry but though I'm the world's top expert on conlangs, or a top expert, still conlangs are not top on my list of priorities always or usually, amd it's many long lists of things to do in my life. Perhaps in the next 2 or 5 or 10 years.

Instead I focus 6 or 2 months at a time on languages like 1000 AD to 1500s AD Tangut from North China, the # 18 or so most important historic foreign language and # 2 from all China, according to my Ancient Languages facebook group list from 2023 or so; it also has The World's Hardest Writing System.

Okrand Atlantean New Translation by Me from 2022: Interlinear Glossed: Cicero Studies Quote

From a facebook group post by me from March 2022 :

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story\_fbid=2193128510839466&id=377768309042171

Latin Quote translated into the Fictional Okrand Atlantean Language by the creator of Klingon, from the 2001 sci-fi movie "Atlantis The Lost Empire" about Renewable Energy

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Page 55 of "A Book of Latin Quotations", Guterman 1966:

Cicero:

1 These studies

stimulate the young,

divert the old,

are an ornament in prosperity

5 and a refuge and comfort in adversity;

they delight us at home,

are no impediment in public life,

keep us company at night,

in our travels,

10 and whenever we retire to the country.

1 Haec studia

adolescentiam acuunt,

senectutem oblectant,

secundas res ornant,

5 adversis perfugium ac solacium praebent,

delectant domi,

non impediunt foris,

pernoctant nobiscum,

peregrinantur,

10 rusticantur.

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1 _ these studies _ MAPIN IR EN NEBET

2 _ _

3 _ the young _ DUK LOP OS EN TEM

4 _ stimulate _ RATES E TOH

5 _ _

6 _ the old _ MADEM OS NAL MOK EN TEM

7 _ divert _ PAPAG E TOH

8 _ _

9 _ in prosperity _ KEWUB IR TEM PAK

10 _ are an ornament _ MIRON ESH E TOH

11 _ _

12 _ and _ GIM

13 _ a refuge _ HEMIND IR KUP

14 _ and comfort _ SEL NUH IR GIM KUP

15 _ they are in adversity _ KAWB KUP E TOH

16 _ _

17 _ at home _ NASAP TEM BEN

18 _ they delight us _ GWISIT HAYK E TOH

19 _ _

20 _ in public life _ SHABOH IR TEM PAK

21 _ are no impediment _ KWAM GWAM E TOH

22 _ _

23 _ at night _ NOK NAL TEM PAK

24 _ in our travels _ WEGEN IR EN TEM PAK

25 _ and _ GIM

26 _ to the country _ BAGAN TEM GOM

27 _ whenever we retire _ WESHEKMOL G E D KEM

28 _ that _ BET

29 _ keep us company _ GWIS IH KREB NUH E TOH

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Notes:

1 _ noun IR plural EN these NEBET

2 _

3 _ small parts LOP person OS plural EN object TEM

4 _ they do E TOH

5 _

6 _ time NAL great MOK

7 _

8 _

9 _

10 _ using ESH (part of verb-building)

11 _

12 _

13 _ like KUP

14 _ together NUH (apart of noun-building here)

15 _ like KUP (indicates one or more -KUP case objects)

16 _

17 _ at BEN (postposition)

18 _ us GWISIT

19 _

20 _ during PAK (a postposition)

21 _ not KWAM (a particle, not prefix)

22 _

23 _ time NAL

24 _

25 _

26 _

27 _ potential G when D we do E KEM

28 _ causes as object of verb BET

29 _ with us GWIS IH keep company KREB NUH they do E TOH [[ with NUH (part of verb building)

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Further thoughts: Like Klingon, Okrand Atlantean has words that are very CVCVC and very short and simple compared to real languages. This is some quirk of his he maybe wasn't aware of. Anyway, to add interest, I add familiar, often canonical roots to the words, above, in imitation of Iroquoian and Algonquian Native American languages that I've studied so much the past 5 years. I'm so interested in marking Okrand Atlantean verbs for objects like Sumerian, Choctaw, and Creek but only did that once here and in a Sumerian manner. Maybe later I'll do this.

I think "Weshekmol" was intended as the "Live long and prosper" of the Okrand Atlantean language, and thus of chief importance. I really think it analyzes as ( live WESH out EK gently MOL ), each a match for Proto-Indo-European word roots.

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Image: A screen capture from the film.

Supplemental Image:

Ancient Mayan art with 200s BC to 1500s AD Mayan Hieroglyphic writing.

<< Payment of tribute to Maya ruler (Reents-Budet, ceramic vase). >>

Questions Tomorrow for Marc Okrand at Free Online Lecture, 5 to 6pm EST Time

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Questions for Marc Okrand,

Presenting from 5 to 6 pm EST time

During Conlang Adventure 2026

free online conference

by William Morton of Los Angeles

and The Polyglots of Greater Los Angeles club:

Register (free!) here: https://mailchi.mp/b7ef80439d17/rl6241xjo9

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Will you or your heirs ever publish or share free online your dictionary and grammar of Okrand Atlantean language aka Dig Adlantisag?

Is there a copy in the Disney archives?

Who wrote the English original text of the texts of the Shepherd's Journal and the Underwater Murals from the 2001 movie Atlantis The Lost Empire?

Do you remember anything about what they say?

What conlangs have you made beside Klingon and Okrand Atlantean?

Do you remember the etymology of the vocative suffix -top?

Is there a separate pronoun vocative suffix?

Do you remember umgawa from the Tarzan movies?

What was Professor Mary Haas like?

The past month, I read a ton of your Mutsun Grammar from 1977 from 1 hour south of San Francisco USA.

What was the wisest thing you learned from deciphering the Mutsun language?

Why did you decipher the Mutsun language?

What is something important to know about closed captioning?

What is a favorite thing of yours about Shakespeare?

Have you ever heard of the Mark Gardner Vulcan language from the 1980s? It is very good.

Did you know that the Klingon language inspired many conlangs, notably other Star Trek ones? I have studied many of the Star Trek ones.

Ask about etymologies of individual Okrand Atlantean words.

Do any Klingon words have etymologies or are they all a-priori?

Defending my Claim to First Decipherment of 1974 Pakuni Language in 2014 against Online Bullies and Cheats

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I wrote this as a reply to another post somewhere:

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This guy, Thomas Alexander, Boomer, is probably lying that he deciphered the Pakuni language before me, as might be Professor Marc Zender, Boomer, of Tulane University in New Orleans. Both claimed they deciphered Pakuni before me, though only after I put my decipherment online in 2014. I made an interlinear gloss of the entire corpus with notes.

I'm about 40 and not a Boomer. I am Mr. Larry Rogers Jr. of metro Detroit Michigan, BA Linguistics from Michigan State University, Class of 2009, student of Professor Grover Hudson, Greatest Generation. I was also a north California forest firefighter in college. Grover taught me Classical Ethiopic language and Linguistics one-on-one Fall 2007 and brought me as a guest to the worldwide elite 10-professor NACAL 2008 North American Conference on Afro-Asiatic Linguistics, in Chicago.

I also deciphered the Marc Okrand Atlantean language in 2006 and got it on my website but did not encounter any outrageously abusive, crazy bullies who tried to steal the credit. I have read about such things happening in books. What would you do for fame or to hurt a real decipherer?

Since 2007, I have graciously and kindly lead and gathered and properly attributed minor decipherment contributions to the Okrand Atlantean language. Paul Sherril Jr of Okemos Michigan, Rebmakash, two Brown Edu Conlang Mailing List people, (all about 2001), Cindy Morris, James Baterman, Cesar Maidana of Argentina, etc. All this betraying and insulting and lying is not the way to be an ethical independent scholar or amateur. I had a class on Ethics in the Social Sciences at Michigan Technological University in 2007.

I also was the first person to decipher the Paul Frommer Barsoomian language in 2012. I also got that on my website.

The past month, I am deciphering the 2018 David Peterson Yulish language.

This poster befriended me on Facebook groups, was very kind, knows nothing about Linguistics, got a copy of my notes of my Pakuni decipherment, and then hasn't said anything but very mean things to me since. You'd be shocked at all the constant unprovoked insults out of left field. My notes were the same as what I put online. Professor Marc Zender acted likewise during the same 2014 time period but I forget if I ever gave him a copy of my notes. I never said a mean word to either of them and got to finding it suspicious. Zender knows a lot about Linguistics, though. We all three interacted a lot on the largest Land of the Lost facebook group until I blocked them both in disgust.

Maybe he's lying to get comic convention appearances or something. He was very aggressive in 2014 and I met some people who knew him and said he was a very enthusiastic fellow. It seems very odd and suspicious.

Zender never posted his decipherment or dictionary online.

Zender told us on the largest Land of the Lost facebook group that he deciphered Pakuni in like the 1990s or at least some years before 2014. He might have been telling the truth as he did posts such that he may have deciphered it.

Nels Olsen ran the Pop Apostle website and on it he had a full corpus of the Pakuni language but with a very faulty decipherment contribution, as he also knows nothing of Linguistics. This was from years or maybe a decade before 2014. Check Wayback Machine.

He's a normal person and we always got along fine. I just remember his decipherment contribution was a so miserable that it was no use to me at all.

I got to check my notes on all this but it was all very painful at the time so I remember it clearly 12 months hence.

If these two, this poster and Zender, steal my credit, that's too bad. But I'm more believable and the truth is on my side. Let's see Alexander and or Zender decipher some more movie or TV conlangs, there's plenty left that need work.

So that's what I know and my suspicions. Everybody is welcome to make decipherment contributions to Pakuni or whatever conlang and share them with me and expect honesty and help. But think twice to put your work online first and time stamp it as there's some shady characters out there. I take my independent scholarship very seriously and self-taught myself many languages for it and studied top Linguistics writings 20 years now.

How long does it take to steal someone elses' credit? Stand up against it.

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I have been studying David Peterson Yulish language despite harassment by yet other online bullies not raised right by their parents. Their leader is even coincidentally named David!! Common Boomer name, just like Marc (like Marc Okrand or Mark Gardner), though this one David I'm talking about maybe isn't technically a Boomer nor even boomin'. The past month they've been provoking me online and then I found out via some friends who their boss was, their goon-master. What a heart-breaking shock, one of my all-time heroes and I even bought all his books. So I burned them all this morning. Just kidding. I don't like bonfires and even like eating sushi with raw fish..

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But my apologies if I am over-suspicious and getting this wrong. I thought about it a bit and that I should really say something because it really seems like some big-city-, crooked injustice type stuff. I also stick up for other amateur decipherment contributors and the seriousness of such endeavors.

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Here's most of my webpages from 2014 presenting my decipherment of the Pakuni language.

The rest of my Pakuni webpages are linked to from my websites homepage :

"Any Language at All" and "Navi Dothraki" :

Blog / Website Link:

http://anylanguageatall411.blogspot.com/2015/04/guide-to-any-language-at-all-website.html?view=flipcard

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Introduction to Pakuni, 9 29 2018

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/09/1970s-land-of-lost-pakuni-language.html?view=flipcard

52

Pakuni Grammars based on Fromkin 1974, 1995, and One of Expansions by Me

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/11/pakuni-grammar-with-expansion-by-me.html?view=flipcard

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Quick Dictionaries for Pakuni Language

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/09/quick-pakuni-language-dictionary.html?view=flipcard

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Pictures for Dictionaries of Pakuni

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/11/pictures-for-dictionaries-of-pakuni.html?view=flipcard

53

ROGERS PAKUNI DICTIONARY 200K FOR WREPLACE FREE SOFTWARE V 1

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/11/rogers-pakuni-dictionary-200k-for.html?view=flipcard

51

Select Pakuni Vocabulary with Discussion

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/11/pakuni-dinosaurs.html?view=flipcard

57

New Dinosaur and Stone Age Tool Words for Pakuni Language:

With Modern Art and Stone Age Art

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/11/pakuni-dinosaur-and-tool-words.html?view=flipcard

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Pakuni Text: Prometheus in Hesiod's Theogony with Ancient Greek

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/11/pakuni-text-prometheus-in-hesiods.html?view=flipcard

46

Guide to Pakuni Corpus 3 22 2014

https://naviklingon.blogspot.com/2018/11/guide-to-pakuni-corpus-3-22-2014.html?view=flipcard