u/Sad_Device3179

It is extremely hypocritical to say doctors who cut babies should be jailed but people who debeak chickens should not be punished. It’s extremely hypocritical to say men cut as baby boys deserve reparations but chickens mutilated by men with permission from the state don’t deserve reparations in the form of government funded vegan animal sanctuaries. in the United States almost all non vegans have or will cause extra animals to be mutilated with their purchases

If an animal is living a mostly bad life, suffering massively in a factory farm and experiencing little wellbeing then it’s wrong to breed them into existence.

If an animal is living a mostly good life, perhaps on a pasture then it’s wrong to cut their mostly good life short by executing them when they’re a healthy teenager.

Why take a utilitarian / hedonistic view of “non humans” but take an inalienable rights view towards “humans” ?

An individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proof

https://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIO

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)

https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-is

And the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/

The case for this is simple, infant circumcision is bad almost solely due to the fact it causes suffering and prevents/reduces future feelings of wellbeing/pleasure and this is also true of debeaking based on many studies done on debeaking.
Also 

The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it totally agree with me

all those Cognitive neuroscientists, neuroanatomists, neurophysiologists, neuropharmacologists, computational neuroscientists, ethologists, behavioral biologists, theoretical physicists, philosophers, comparative psychologists, evolutionary biologists, neurologists, animal welfare scientists, legal scholars, professors of law, public law and human rights lecturers, computer scientists, veterinary professors, environmental studies scholars, chemical and biological engineers, linguists, and chief executive officers

Agree that all birds and mammals have a significant amount of consciousness
They can suffer a lot
They can also experience wellbeing
like me

Some will say “but I only believe in “human” rights, and chickens are not ”human””.

To this I have a few responses

Define human, for example thousands of years ago did two “non humans” give birth to a “human”? do you believe that “human” should have rights but not his or her parents? why? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wMxs0Q1TfFo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqFbQgVrg7s

If on another planet in another galaxy there was a different species of beings who looked and acted almost exactly like earth humans but they had very different DNA then earth humans and were a different species unable to produce viable offspring with earth humans would you say they deserve no rights? What if they were also unable to reason/ unintelligent and unable to breed with earthly humans do to different dna but otherwise just like earthly humans in all other ways such as appearance?

what is your response to name the trait? https://vnarek.github.io/name-the-trait

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtziO8Ffc4

Animal rights are a logical extension of human rights 

The hypocrisy / speciesism is when you treat a trait equalized animal significantly worse then a trait equalized human. 

For example,

Giving lots of rights to a orphaned human being with Lissencephaly who will live less long, be less intelligent, be less conscious, be less capable of experiencing suffering and wellbeing, etc then a average healthy young adult pig. If you believe the human with Lissencephaly should receive millions in medical care, it should be illegal to do painful medical experiments on them to make new medications or cosmetics, it should be illegal to breed them for meat, etc but you believe the average healthy young adult pig should have no rights or protections from things like painful medical experiments on them to make new medications or cosmetics, breeding them for meat, etc then you are a speciesist. You are discriminating solely on the basis of species and nothing else. Not intelligence or potential for intelligence in the case of a healthy human baby. Solely species 

But this leads to reductio ad absurdums. 

It is extremely similar to feminists who support anti FGM laws while not supporting banning MGM, if you look at penal codes banning MGM they are Sexist as they discriminate solely based on genitalia type.

It also leads to reductios like I mentioned in my original post, if you discriminate solely on the basis of being “human” it requires you to define what a human is and can lead to absurdities like believing two non humans gave birth to a human and their parents deserve zero rights while their child should have the same rights as you and I.

It is extremely hypocritical to say doctors who cut babies should be jailed but people who debeak chickens should not be punished. It’s extremely hypocritical to say men cut as baby boys deserve reparations but chickens mutilated by men with permission from the state don’t deserve reparations in the form of government funded vegan animal sanctuaries. in the United States almost all non vegans have or will cause extra animals to be mutilated with their purchases

If an animal is living a mostly bad life, suffering massively in a factory farm and experiencing little wellbeing then it’s wrong to breed them into existence.

If an animal is living a mostly good life, perhaps on a pasture then it’s wrong to cut their mostly good life short by executing them when they’re a healthy teenager.

Why take a utilitarian / hedonistic view of “non humans” but take an inalienable rights view towards “humans” ?

An individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proof

https://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIO

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)

https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-is

And the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/

The case for this is simple, infant circumcision is bad almost solely due to the fact it causes suffering and prevents/reduces future feelings of wellbeing/pleasure and this is also true of debeaking based on many studies done on debeaking.
Also 

The Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it totally agree with me

all those Cognitive neuroscientists, neuroanatomists, neurophysiologists, neuropharmacologists, computational neuroscientists, ethologists, behavioral biologists, theoretical physicists, philosophers, comparative psychologists, evolutionary biologists, neurologists, animal welfare scientists, legal scholars, professors of law, public law and human rights lecturers, computer scientists, veterinary professors, environmental studies scholars, chemical and biological engineers, linguists, and chief executive officers

Agree that all birds and mammals have a significant amount of consciousness
They can suffer a lot
They can also experience wellbeing
like me

Some will say “but I only believe in “human” rights, and chickens are not ”human””.

To this I have a few responses

Define human, for example thousands of years ago did two “non humans” give birth to a “human”? do you believe that “human” should have rights but not his or her parents? why? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wMxs0Q1TfFo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqFbQgVrg7s

If on another planet in another galaxy there was a different species of beings who looked and acted almost exactly like earth humans but they had very different DNA then earth humans and were a different species unable to produce viable offspring with earth humans would you say they deserve no rights? What if they were also unable to reason/ unintelligent and unable to breed with earthly humans do to different dna but otherwise just like earthly humans in all other ways such as appearance?

what is your response to name the trait? https://vnarek.github.io/name-the-trait

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtziO8Ffc4

Animal rights are a logical extension of human rights 

The hypocrisy / speciesism is when you treat a trait equalized animal significantly worse then a trait equalized human. 

For example,

Giving lots of rights to a orphaned human being with Lissencephaly who will live less long, be less intelligent, be less conscious, be less capable of experiencing suffering and wellbeing, etc then a average healthy young adult pig. If you believe the human with Lissencephaly should receive millions in medical care, it should be illegal to do painful medical experiments on them to make new medications or cosmetics, it should be illegal to breed them for meat, etc but you believe the average healthy young adult pig should have no rights or protections from things like painful medical experiments on them to make new medications or cosmetics, breeding them for meat, etc then you are a speciesist. You are discriminating solely on the basis of species and nothing else. Not intelligence or potential for intelligence in the case of a healthy human baby. Solely species 

But this leads to reductio ad absurdums. 

It is extremely similar to feminists who support anti FGM laws while not supporting banning MGM, if you look at penal codes banning MGM they are Sexist as they discriminate solely based on genitalia type.

It also leads to reductios like I mentioned in my original post, if you discriminate solely on the basis of being “human” it requires you to define what a human is and can lead to absurdities like believing two non humans gave birth to a human and their parents deserve zero rights while their child should have the same rights as you and I.

A man who is posted a video of himself touching a woman’s hair was just found guilty of assault today and will be sentenced tomorrow. The woman whose hair he touched testified she did not know she had been touched at the time and only discovered it days later when she saw the video.

A man named Bryan Betancur (also spelled Betancourt in some reports; from Silver Spring, Maryland) was found guilty of simple assault in D.C. Superior Court. He was accused of sitting behind women on Metro trains (specifically a Red Line train in the February incident that led to this conviction), surreptitiously touching/stroking their hair, recording the acts (often livestreaming), and posting the videos online with captions.

Touching a woman’s hair = jail 
Cutting off a baby’s foreskin = Medicaid reimbursement 

A man who is posted a video of himself touching a woman’s hair was just found guilty of assault today and will be sentenced tomorrow. The woman whose hair he touched testified she did not know she had been touched at the time and only discovered it days later when she saw the video.

A man named Bryan Betancur (also spelled Betancourt in some reports; from Silver Spring, Maryland) was found guilty of simple assault in D.C. Superior Court. He was accused of sitting behind women on Metro trains (specifically a Red Line train in the February incident that led to this conviction), surreptitiously touching/stroking their hair, recording the acts (often livestreaming), and posting the videos online with captions.

Touching a woman’s hair = jail 
Cutting off a baby’s foreskin = Medicaid reimbursement 

Bad people don't get punished in any cosmic way. They win. Unless you do something about it.

The most ruthless, deceptive, tribal parasites climb to the top, rig the system, fund both sides of every war, and die rich in their beds after a lifetime of fucking over everyone else. Good men get ground down paying taxes for their own mutilation as baby boys, factory farming, war, abortion, etc, or dying in meat grinders(support the troops!!). History is one long proof: the evil consolidate power while the decent get culled. "What goes around comes around" is just a fairy tale to keep you passive and hoping for magic justice in this lifetime or your afterlife + their afterlife instead of fighting back. Tens of thousands of Americans commit suicide with a firearm every year and almost none of them commit a murder before committing suicide.

Bad things happen constantly to good people. The truly bad? They usually skate until the next cycle resets and they start over richer. Karma is for losers who can't face reality. That’s why their final coping mechanism is an afterlife in which the evil hypocrites are punished and the virtuous are rewarded.

location: new york

I was circumcised as a baby boy right after being born. From talking to both of my parents it seems that my mother wanted it done for hygiene reasons and my father did not want it done and said something like wait until he‘s 16 so he can decide f himself but then he eventually said okay but numb it first and then I was circumcised. she was incorrect about the benefits of circumcision because studies back then and now show it has almost no effect on preventing infections in the future. But that’s not necessarily a lie / willful falsehood she said considering she literally has brain damage. The problem is my dad was and still is a weak coward. They ended up getting divorced less then a decade (can’t blame him if he initiated but may have been more her idea) later anyways so compromising and appeasement on issues like this is never worth it.

Men and boys are explicitly discriminated against because they are not protected from mgm and also have no real recourse if it is done to them. men literally should be able to sue the doctors and nurses responsible for cutting them as a baby just as fgm victims can.

The federal laws and almost all state laws in the United States treat baby girls being circumcised very differently than baby boys being circumcised. It’s probably one of the clearest examples of misandry 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/circumcision-oregon-lawsuit-male-genital-b2725383.html

Several men circumcised at birth are suing the state of Oregon for allegedly “stealing” their bodily autonomy while also arguing that a current genital mutilation law discriminates against boys

California-based attorney Eric Clopper filed the lawsuit last week on behalf of Cecil Mininger and his teenage son, as well as brothers Carter and Landon Moody, in Multnomah County Circuit Court in Portland. The plaintiffs all had their foreskins surgically removed as infants within the state, according to the filing

The 76-page document alleges that boys have been neglected by the state and asks for equal protection under a law that bans female genital mutilation. The current law, it says, which only protects women from genital cutting, is a violation of the state constitution’s Equal Rights Amendment and Equal Protection Clause.

The suit urges the court to either ban genital cutting procedures for children of any gender or overturn the statute entirely.

However, the suit argues that victims of male genital cutting could sue their circumcisers. It claimed that the procedure has become “medicalized” in the U.S. but provides few health benefits and inhibits healthy sexual function.

“This lawsuit is about one simple, urgent principle: equal protection under the law,” Clopper, who founded Intact Global, a non-profit that says it stands against non-religious genital mutilation that is funding the suit, wrote in a statement on the organization’s website Friday.

“If Oregon protects girls from non-consensual genital cutting, it must protect boys and intersex children too. Anything less is unconstitutional.”

>you can’t be upset at the doctors for doing a medical procedure that your parents asked them to do :( i’m sorry it happened to you but that’s on your parents, not the doctors.

>also, it is not misandry that female circumcision is treated differently than male circumcision. female circumcision involves removing the clitoris, which would be the equivalent of removing the head of the penis. it’s not skin

I can be upset at the doctors, nurses, politicians and my parents for the same reason a woman who was circumcised as a girl can 

Under United States federal law and the laws of the vast majority of U.S. states, all non-medical alterations of the female genitalia are illegal for minors, regardless of how minor, less invasive, or minimal the tissue alteration is (Goldberg et al., 2016; Thomas, 2023).

This includes procedures that do not remove the clitoris, remove only small amounts of skin, or remove significantly less tissue and structure than standard male infant circumcision.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK606106/#:~:text=Type%20III%20is%20further%20subclassified,and%20menstrual%20outflow.%5B4%5D

U.S. federal law (18 U.S. Code § 116) and nearly 40 state-level statutes specifically structure their bans to encompass alltypes, including Type IV (Thomas, 2023). The federal statute applies broadly to anyone who "knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris."

Because the law covers "any part," there is no legal distinction made based on the severity of the cut.

In some communities and historical legal disputes, proponents have requested a medicalized "ritual nick"—a tiny incision or a drop of blood drawn from the clitoral hood without removing any tissue—as a compromise to satisfy cultural traditions while avoiding the physical harm of traditional FGM/C (Kimani & Shell-Duncan, 2018). Legal Status: This is strictly illegal in the United States. Federal and state laws reject this compromise, classifying it as federal child abuse and a felony, because it constitutes non-therapeutic alteration of a minor's genitalia (Ezioni, 2020).

A procedure that removes only the prepuce (the fold of skin surrounding the clitoral glans) without touching the clitoris itself is classified as Type Ia FGM/C (Galgano, 2024; Thomas, 2023) https://www.aafp.org/afp/2018/0101/p49#:~:text=TABLE%203.%20Female%20Genital%20Mutilation,the%20clitoris%20with%20the%20prepuce

Anatomical Comparison: Anatomically, the clitoral hood is the female homologue (the structural equivalent) to the male foreskin. Removing just this skin is structurally the closest direct equivalent to standard male infant circumcision.

Legal Status: While standard male infant circumcision remains entirely legal and widely practiced across the United States, performing the equivalent procedure (removing the clitoral hood) or any lesser procedure on a female minor is a federal crime carrying a penalty of up to 10 years in prison.

All men who were circumcised as babies deserve at least 10 million USA dollars.
They were innocent babies and were horribly, permanently and irreversibly mutilated for their entire one life on earth before it even began.
There is NO way to FULLY or even MOSTLY recover their lost foreskins and all of it's structures. Stretching does not nearly even come close to restoring it to it's original form.

Why at least 10 million usa dollars?

Because there was a case of a adult man who merely had some mean words, drawings and jokes said to him at work. Nothing criminally illegal like death threats, leaking his social security number etc. He later quit his job at Tesla he wasn't fired. He was offered 15 million 2022 dollars for his hurt feelings by a usa judge https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tesla-racism-lawsuit-worker-rejects-15-million-payout-rcna34655
He was literally offered 15 million dollars that the government would take from Tesla and hand directly to him. He rejected it because he wanted more then 15 million 2022 dollars but the point stands the government is willing to say mean words and hurt feelings are worth at least 15 million 2022 dollars.
Being circumcised as a baby is AT LEAST ten times worse so a mere ten million dollars per mutilated at birth man is already a deep deep compromise.

CASE #2

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/07/20/mcdonalds-lawsuit-hot-chicken-nugget/70436203007/

A random family is in a car. These are not employees they're just random customers.
They go to McDonalds drive through

Mom buys nuggets

Gives nuggets (corpses of tortured and mutilated animals that were factory farmed) to her little kid

Kid drops nugget on thigh and it sits on her thigh for a few minutes or so while mother is distracted.

It leaves a slight burn on thigh

Burn heals completely leaving a small barely noticable and not painful scar on thigh

Girl gets 800,000 dollars.

Circumcising a baby is at least 13 times worse easily.
It's obviously way way worse than 13 times but whatever let's be extremely conservative

That's just over 10 million usa dollars

You deserve this.

ROUTINE CIRCUMCISION OF BABY BOYS IS BATTERY!! It is non consensual touching which is medically unnecessary. This is actually legally correct at least in usa as intactivist lawyers have argued

GUESS What? A battery can be worth 5 million dollars or more

Circumcision is doing severe permanent irreversible physical damage to an innocent baby boy . Possible severe mental damage too

A hedge fund executive punched a parking attendant once during a dispute over a car.

The Injuries: A broken cheekbone and a concussion. The victim recovered physically within months, but sued for emotional distress and battery.

The Verdict: The jury awarded $1.2 million for medical bills and pain, but added $7 million in punitive damages specifically because of the defendant’s wealth and the "predatory" nature of the assault.

This is the classic "regular guy" example often cited in legal circles.

The Incident: A man was punched once by a security guard at a Las Vegas nightclub.

The Injuries: A broken jaw and a concussion. No permanent disability, but the victim required surgery (his jaw was wired shut for weeks).

The Result: A jury awarded him $4.75 million.

$5 Million (Carroll v. Trump)

While there was a later $83 million verdict for defamation, the original 2023 verdict for the battery itself was $5 million.

The Incident: A single encounter in a department store dressing room.

The Injuries: No "super severe" physical injuries (like broken bones or hospitalization), but the jury focused on the psychological trauma.

The Result: The $5 million award was for the act of battery and the associated pain and suffering.

If Carroll can get 5 million then so should men circumcised as boys

Taddio, A., et al. (1997). "Effect of neonatal circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination." The Lancet, 349(9052), 599-603

That is Neurological Imprinting. This study followed infants for months after their circumcision. It found that boys who were circumcised especially those without anesthesia, which was common at the time, showed a significantly stronger pain response higher heart rates, more intense crying during routine vaccinations months later compared to intact boys.

I provided a peer reviewed evidence that the infant brain is rewired or sensitized by the trauma of circumcision thus refuting the myth that newborns don't feel pain or won't remember it

Frisch, M., et al. (2013). "Cultural Bias in the AAP’s 2012 Technical Report and Policy Statement on Male Circumcision." Pediatrics, 131(4), 796-800.

peer-reviewed high-impact critique signed by 38 high-ranking physicians and health officials from 16 European countries. It was written specifically to dismantle the American Academy of Pediatrics claim that the benefits of routine baby boy cutting outweigh the risks

It argues that the alleged benefits (reduced UTI, HIV and cancer) are statistically marginal in developed Western nations. For example, it points out that you would need to circumcise between 909 and 322,000 infants to prevent a single case of pp cancer a disease that is already rare and can be prevented by hygiene and HPV vaccination

It argues that because the medical benefits are not compelling the procedure violates the child's right to bodily integrity and should be deferred until the individual can provide informed consent.

https://equalitynow.org/what-we-do/womens-rights-around-the-world/womens-rights-in-north-america/us_laws_against_fgm_state_by_state/

Almost every state in the USA has laws against female circumcision of minors and many states have had laws making it illegal (and a felony) to circumcise a female minor for DECADES

Female circumcision is already illegal and girls who are cut as babies can already sue for what was done to them when they become an adult, just apply the law equally to men too . She already has the legal ability to seek out compensation for that, I just want the law applied equally . So that men also have the ability to get restitution and have legal recourse. Why pay taxes and follow the social contract if police will protect baby girls from being cut but not baby boys? They’ll protect doctors who cut baby boys. women who are circumcised as girls can get literally millions of dollars and in their 20s and then retire very comfortably with her multi million dollar settlement and live comfortably off the backs of hard working broke men who were circumcised as babies and have no legal ability to get reparations or sue their doctors or hospitals.

S 130.85 Female genital mutilation.

A person is guilty of female genital mutilation when: (a) a person knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not reached eighteen years of age; or (b) being a parent, guardian or other person legally responsible and charged with the care or custody of a child less than eighteen years old, he or she knowingly consents to the circumcision, excision or infibulation of whole or part of such child`s labia majora or labia minora or clitoris.

Such circumcision, excision, or infibulation is not a violation of this section if such act is: (a) necessary to the health of the person on whom it is performed, and is performed by a person licensed in the place of its performance as a medical practitioner; or (b) performed on a person in labor or who has just given birth and is performed for medical purposes connected with that labor or birth by a person licensed in the place it is performed as a medical practitioner, midwife, or person in training to become such a practitioner or midwife.
For the purposes of paragraph (a) of subdivision two of this section, no account shall be taken of the effect on the person on whom such procedure is to be performed of any belief on the part of that or any other person that such procedure is required as a matter of custom or ritual. Female genital mutilation is a class E felony.
New York N.Y. Penal Law § 130.85 Effective 11/1/1997

Who can women sue if circumcised as baby girl and how much money would they get in USA? What if it was done by doctor with nurses?

Women can primarily sue the medical providers (doctor, nurses, hospital/clinic) who performed the procedure via medical malpractice, battery, or related tort claims. FGM (female genital mutilation/circumcision) on a minor is illegal under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 116, as amended) and in 41+ states, treated as child abuse with no cultural/religious/parental consent defense in most jurisdictions.

https://equalitynow.org/what-we-do/womens-rights-around-the-world/womens-rights-in-north-america/us_laws_against_fgm_state_by_state/

this is important because routine male infant circumcision is a battery. many lawyers have argued this and they are right.

The doctor and assisting nurses/hospital are the Primary targets for civil liability. Performing non-medically necessary FGM on an infant deviates from the standard of care and constitutes negligence or intentional tort (e.g., battery). Many states explicitly allow civil damages in their FGM statutes (e.g., Arizona provides a civil remedy). obviously this applies to mgm too

Parents/guardians: Potentially liable for facilitating or consenting, but suing one's own parents is rare, complex (family dynamics, statutes of limitations), and often not the focus. Criminal liability for parents exists in many states.

it’s possible to civilly go after doctor nurses and hospital that performed the surgery but not go after your parents. there’s already cases of this with fgm

Statute of limitations: Many states extend this for FGM/child abuse victims until years after turning 18 (e.g., 3–10 years post-18 in states like Arizona, Arkansas).

Hospitals often carry large insurance policies, increasing settlement potential. Successful suits could include punitive damages if egregious.

Done by doctor with nurses: Strongest case medical malpractice plus battery. Hospitals can be vicariously liable. Informed consent was impossible for an infant, and FGM isn't medically necessary (exceptions exist only for true health needs, like certain surgeries, not ritual "circumcision").

again it should be very obvious how this applies to mgm too.

In ny in 2019 would a woman who was circumcised as a baby in 1999 be able to sue?

Yes, in 2019 in New York, a woman who was subjected to female genital mutilation ("circumcision") as a baby in 1999 could likely sue under the Child Victims Act (CVA), which took effect that year.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/S2440

Key Reasons

New York Penal Law § 130.85 criminalizes FGM (knowingly circumcising, excising, or infibulating the labia majora/minora or clitoris of a person under 18, or a parent/guardian knowingly consenting to it). It is a class E felony and explicitly falls under Article 130 of the Penal Law (sexual offenses).

https://criminaldefense.1800nynylaw.com/new-york-penal-code/new-york-penal-code-130-85-genital-mutilation/

CPLR § 214-g (the civil revival provision of the CVA, signed into law in February 2019) revived previously time-barred civil claims for conduct that would constitute a sexual offense under Article 130 (including § 130.85) committed against a child under 18. It allowed suits for physical, psychological, or other injuries from such acts. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/cvp/article-2/214-g/

The CVA created a one-time lookback window (roughly August 2019 to August 2021) for filing revived claims, regardless of the victim's age or how long ago the act occurred. A woman ~20 years old in 2019 would have fallen squarely within this window for events from 1999. https://hermanlaw.com/new-york/child-victims-act/

Standard medical malpractice SOL (2.5 years under CPLR 214-a) or battery (1 year) would have long expired by 2019, but the CVA overrode that for qualifying sexual offenses like FGM. https://www.lanierlawfirm.com/new-york/civil-statute-of-limitations/

Could she take home 5 million dollars? If the doctor hospital nurses were in on it and it’s extremely well documented that it happened and was premeditated with lots of papers signed by them and proof the hospital admins knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen

Yes, in a strong case with the facts you describe, a multimillion-dollar recovery including potentially $5 million or more net to the plaintiff is realistically possible in New York under the 2019 Child Victims Act framework. https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/new-york-sex-abuse-settlements.html

Why This Scenario Strengthens the Case

Premeditation, documentation, and institutional knowledge: Signed papers, hospital admin awareness/approval, and involvement of doctor/nurses/hospital create powerful evidence of battery, lack of informed consent (impossible for an infant), negligence, and potentially punitive damages for egregious conduct. This goes beyond standard malpractice into intentional or reckless institutional wrongdoing.
CVA applicability: FGM qualifies as a sexual offense under NY Penal Law § 130.85, reviving the claim in the 2019 lookback window. Courts treat it as child sexual abuse for civil purposes. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/cvp/article-2/214-g/

Realistic Compensation Ranges in NY CVA/Malpractice Cases
NY juries and settlements in strong Child Victims Act cases (especially with documented institutional enabling) have produced

Single-plaintiff verdicts: $5M to $30M+ (e.g., $30M CVA verdict with $15M compensatory + $15M punitive; $13.3M; $5M affirmed on appeal). https://www.blockotoole.com/verdicts-settlements/30-million-ny-child-victims-act-verdict/

Hospital/medical cases: Multi-million averages per plaintiff in mass settlements (e.g., Columbia/NewYork-Presbyterian paid ~$1.3M average per survivor in a large OB-GYN abuse case, with total payouts over $1B across resolutions). https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/new-york-sex-abuse-settlements.html

Medical malpractice analogs (severe lifelong harm from procedures on infants): Often tens of millions total, with pain-and-suffering components in the millions https://porterprotects.com/largest-birth-injury-settlements-new-york-history/

$5 million net to her is plausible in an exceptional case with clear lifelong harms (physical scarring, sexual dysfunction, psychological trauma, PTSD, etc.), strong experts, and sympathetic facts. Higher amounts are possible with proven egregious conduct and high damages (economic + non-economic + punitives). Many cases settle confidentially for substantial sums to avoid trial risk. https://jtnylaw.com/2026/02/survivors-act-5-million-verdict-childhood-sexual-abuse-ny/

In the ongoing Hadacheck v. State of Oregon case, Multnomah County Circuit Judge Melvin Oden-Orr denied the state’s motion to dismiss, ruling that the circumcised male plaintiffs had suffered a legitimate "injury in fact" and possessed proper standing to sue. https://bioethicstoday.org/blog/the-case-for-equal-protection-for-all-children-against-forced-genital-cutting-is-moving-forward-full-speed-ahead/#:~:text=The%20Court%20found%20that%20Plaintiffs,in%20a%20court%20of%20law.

By legally acknowledging that infant circumcision constitutes an "injury in fact," the court has already moved the needle past a mere medical disagreement. If a court recognizes a lifelong injury inflicted on a non-consenting minor based on their sex, the logical, constitutional conclusion is that those victims should have a path to restitution. 

Part A: Expanding the Law & Opening the Door to Lawsuits

"Additionally, were the Court to adopt a saving construction of ORS 163.207 and 431A.600 that expanded the statutes’ protections to all non-medically necessary child genital cutting, Plaintiffs could vindicate their rights practically by suing their circumcisers under a statutory torts legal theory that is currently available only to female victims of child genital cutting."

Key Terms Broken Down

Saving Construction: When a law is challenged as unconstitutional, a court can sometimes "save" it by interpreting it in a new, broader, or narrower way rather than striking it down entirely. Here, the plaintiffs want the court to "save" the law by stretching it to cover all children, not just females.

ORS 163.207 and 431A.600: These are Oregon’s specific criminal and public health statutes that explicitly ban Female Genital Mutilation (FGM).

Statutory Tort: A "tort" is a civil wrong that allows you to sue someone for money damages. A statutory tort means the right to sue is baked directly into a written law. Because FGM is illegal by statute, female victims have a clear, direct path to sue their cutters in civil court.

in Plain English

The plaintiffs are saying: "If the court agrees to rewrite or interpret Oregon's anti-FGM laws so that they protect allchildren instead of just girls, it will change the game. It means men who were circumcised as babies would suddenly gain the legal right to turn around and sue the doctors or practitioners who circumcised them for financial damages—a right that currently only women have under Oregon law." 

Here’s the 72 page lawsuit https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/66119b8c4d0c10f1951590fc/67e6d9785f82dc54c6513cb7_2025-03-28%20-%20Hadachek%20v.%20Oregon%20-%20Amended%20Complaint%20(Conformed).pdf

tldr if the law was not literally sexist and was just applied equally and impartially most men alive today (in 2026) who are under the age of about 28 or so and live in / were born in a hospital in at least a handful of states in the United States of America would easily be entitled to hundreds of thousands of dollars or even a few million dollars each for what was done to them as a baby. I am not being hyperbolic. obviously if let’s conservatively say theres 3 million men in ny who are under the age of 27 and if 60 percent of them were born in and circumcised in a hospital in ny Thats 1.8 million men who are each entitled to a few million dollars each, 3 million dollars each times 1.8 million young ny cut men equals 5.4 TRILLION DOLLARS with a T . that’s like 1/6 of the entire usa national debt.

I was circumcised as a baby boy right after being born. From talking to both of my parents it seems that my mother wanted it done for hygiene reasons and my father did not want it done and said something like wait until he‘s 16 so he can decide f himself but then he eventually said okay but numb it first and then I was circumcised.

Men and boys are explicitly discriminated against because they are not protected from mgm and also have no real recourse if it is done to them. men literally should be able to sue the doctors and nurses responsible for cutting them as a baby just as fgm victims can.

a part 2 of this post https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1tcfzhb/comment/olru4ue/

The federal laws and almost all state laws in the United States treat baby girls being circumcised very differently than baby boys being circumcised. It’s probably one of the clearest examples of misandry 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/circumcision-oregon-lawsuit-male-genital-b2725383.html

Several men circumcised at birth are suing the state of Oregon for allegedly “stealing” their bodily autonomy while also arguing that a current genital mutilation law discriminates against boys

California-based attorney Eric Clopper filed the lawsuit last week on behalf of Cecil Mininger and his teenage son, as well as brothers Carter and Landon Moody, in Multnomah County Circuit Court in Portland. The plaintiffs all had their foreskins surgically removed as infants within the state, according to the filing

The 76-page document alleges that boys have been neglected by the state and asks for equal protection under a law that bans female genital mutilation. The current law, it says, which only protects women from genital cutting, is a violation of the state constitution’s Equal Rights Amendment and Equal Protection Clause.

The suit urges the court to either ban genital cutting procedures for children of any gender or overturn the statute entirely.

However, the suit argues that victims of male genital cutting could sue their circumcisers. It claimed that the procedure has become “medicalized” in the U.S. but provides few health benefits and inhibits healthy sexual function.

“This lawsuit is about one simple, urgent principle: equal protection under the law,” Clopper, who founded Intact Global, a non-profit that says it stands against non-religious genital mutilation that is funding the suit, wrote in a statement on the organization’s website Friday.

“If Oregon protects girls from non-consensual genital cutting, it must protect boys and intersex children too. Anything less is unconstitutional.”

https://equalitynow.org/what-we-do/womens-rights-around-the-world/womens-rights-in-north-america/us_laws_against_fgm_state_by_state/

Almost every state in the USA has laws against female circumcision of minors and many states have had laws making it illegal (and a felony) to circumcise a female minor for DECADES

Female circumcision is already illegal and girls who are cut as babies can already sue for what was done to them when they become an adult, just apply the law equally to men too . She already has the legal ability to seek out compensation for that, I just want the law applied equally . So that men also have the ability to get restitution and have legal recourse. Why pay taxes and follow the social contract if police will protect baby girls from being cut but not baby boys? They’ll protect doctors who cut baby boys. women who are circumcised as girls can get literally millions of dollars and in their 20s and then retire very comfortably with her multi million dollar settlement and live comfortably off the backs of hard working broke men who were circumcised as babies and have no legal ability to get reparations or sue their doctors or hospitals.

S 130.85 Female genital mutilation.

1. A person is guilty of female genital mutilation when: (a) a person knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not reached eighteen years of age; or (b) being a parent, guardian or other person legally responsible and charged with the care or custody of a child less than eighteen years old, he or she knowingly consents to the circumcision, excision or infibulation of whole or part of such child`s labia majora or labia minora or clitoris.
2. Such circumcision, excision, or infibulation is not a violation of this section if such act is: (a) necessary to the health of the person on whom it is performed, and is performed by a person licensed in the place of its performance as a medical practitioner; or (b) performed on a person in labor or who has just given birth and is performed for medical purposes connected with that labor or birth by a person licensed in the place it is performed as a medical practitioner, midwife, or person in training to become such a practitioner or midwife.
3. For the purposes of paragraph (a) of subdivision two of this section, no account shall be taken of the effect on the person on whom such procedure is to be performed of any belief on the part of that or any other person that such procedure is required as a matter of custom or ritual. Female genital mutilation is a class E felony.

New York N.Y. Penal Law § 130.85 Effective 11/1/1997

Who can women sue if circumcised as baby girl and how much money would they get in USA? What if it was done by doctor with nurses?

Women can primarily sue the medical providers (doctor, nurses, hospital/clinic) who performed the procedure via medical malpractice, battery, or related tort claims. FGM (female genital mutilation/circumcision) on a minor is illegal under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 116, as amended) and in 41+ states, treated as child abuse with no cultural/religious/parental consent defense in most jurisdictions.

https://equalitynow.org/what-we-do/womens-rights-around-the-world/womens-rights-in-north-america/us_laws_against_fgm_state_by_state/

this is important because routine male infant circumcision is a battery. many lawyers have argued this and they are right.

The doctor and assisting nurses/hospital are the Primary targets for civil liability. Performing non-medically necessary FGM on an infant deviates from the standard of care and constitutes negligence or intentional tort (e.g., battery). Many states explicitly allow civil damages in their FGM statutes (e.g., Arizona provides a civil remedy). obviously this applies to mgm too

Parents/guardians: Potentially liable for facilitating or consenting, but suing one's own parents is rare, complex (family dynamics, statutes of limitations), and often not the focus. Criminal liability for parents exists in many states.

it’s possible to civilly go after doctor nurses and hospital that performed the surgery but not go after your parents. there’s already cases of this with fgm

Statute of limitations: Many states extend this for FGM/child abuse victims until years after turning 18 (e.g., 3–10 years post-18 in states like Arizona, Arkansas). 

Hospitals often carry large insurance policies, increasing settlement potential. Successful suits could include punitive damages if egregious.

Done by doctor with nurses: Strongest case medical malpractice plus battery. Hospitals can be vicariously liable. Informed consent was impossible for an infant, and FGM isn't medically necessary (exceptions exist only for true health needs, like certain surgeries, not ritual "circumcision").

again it should be very obvious how this applies to mgm too.

In ny in 2019 would a woman who was circumcised as a baby in 1999 be able to sue?

Yes, in 2019 in New York, a woman who was subjected to female genital mutilation ("circumcision") as a baby in 1999 could likely sue under the Child Victims Act (CVA), which took effect that year.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/S2440

Key Reasons

New York Penal Law § 130.85 criminalizes FGM (knowingly circumcising, excising, or infibulating the labia majora/minora or clitoris of a person under 18, or a parent/guardian knowingly consenting to it). It is a class E felony and explicitly falls under Article 130 of the Penal Law (sexual offenses).

https://criminaldefense.1800nynylaw.com/new-york-penal-code/new-york-penal-code-130-85-genital-mutilation/

CPLR § 214-g (the civil revival provision of the CVA, signed into law in February 2019) revived previously time-barred civil claims for conduct that would constitute a sexual offense under Article 130 (including § 130.85) committed against a child under 18. It allowed suits for physical, psychological, or other injuries from such acts. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/cvp/article-2/214-g/

The CVA created a one-time lookback window (roughly August 2019 to August 2021) for filing revived claims, regardless of the victim's age or how long ago the act occurred. A woman ~20 years old in 2019 would have fallen squarely within this window for events from 1999. https://hermanlaw.com/new-york/child-victims-act/

Standard medical malpractice SOL (2.5 years under CPLR 214-a) or battery (1 year) would have long expired by 2019, but the CVA overrode that for qualifying sexual offenses like FGM. https://www.lanierlawfirm.com/new-york/civil-statute-of-limitations/

Could she take home 5 million dollars? If the doctor hospital nurses were in on it and it’s extremely well documented that it happened and was premeditated with lots of papers signed by them and proof the hospital admins knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen

Yes, in a strong case with the facts you describe, a multimillion-dollar recovery including potentially $5 million or more net to the plaintiff is realistically possible in New York under the 2019 Child Victims Act framework. https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/new-york-sex-abuse-settlements.html

Why This Scenario Strengthens the Case

Premeditation, documentation, and institutional knowledge: Signed papers, hospital admin awareness/approval, and involvement of doctor/nurses/hospital create powerful evidence of battery, lack of informed consent (impossible for an infant), negligence, and potentially punitive damages for egregious conduct. This goes beyond standard malpractice into intentional or reckless institutional wrongdoing.
CVA applicability: FGM qualifies as a sexual offense under NY Penal Law § 130.85, reviving the claim in the 2019 lookback window. Courts treat it as child sexual abuse for civil purposes. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/cvp/article-2/214-g/

Realistic Compensation Ranges in NY CVA/Malpractice Cases
NY juries and settlements in strong Child Victims Act cases (especially with documented institutional enabling) have produced:

Single-plaintiff verdicts: $5M to $30M+ (e.g., $30M CVA verdict with $15M compensatory + $15M punitive; $13.3M; $5M affirmed on appeal). https://www.blockotoole.com/verdicts-settlements/30-million-ny-child-victims-act-verdict/

Hospital/medical cases: Multi-million averages per plaintiff in mass settlements (e.g., Columbia/NewYork-Presbyterian paid ~$1.3M average per survivor in a large OB-GYN abuse case, with total payouts over $1B across resolutions). https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/new-york-sex-abuse-settlements.html

Medical malpractice analogs (severe lifelong harm from procedures on infants): Often tens of millions total, with pain-and-suffering components in the millions https://porterprotects.com/largest-birth-injury-settlements-new-york-history/

$5 million net to her is plausible in an exceptional case with clear lifelong harms (physical scarring, sexual dysfunction, psychological trauma, PTSD, etc.), strong experts, and sympathetic facts. Higher amounts are possible with proven egregious conduct and high damages (economic + non-economic + punitives). Many cases settle confidentially for substantial sums to avoid trial risk. https://jtnylaw.com/2026/02/survivors-act-5-million-verdict-childhood-sexual-abuse-ny/

In the ongoing Hadacheck v. State of Oregon case, Multnomah County Circuit Judge Melvin Oden-Orr denied the state’s motion to dismiss, ruling that the circumcised male plaintiffs had suffered a legitimate "injury in fact" and possessed proper standing to sue.  https://bioethicstoday.org/blog/the-case-for-equal-protection-for-all-children-against-forced-genital-cutting-is-moving-forward-full-speed-ahead/#:~:text=The%20Court%20found%20that%20Plaintiffs,in%20a%20court%20of%20law. 

By legally acknowledging that infant circumcision constitutes an "injury in fact," the court has already moved the needle past a mere medical disagreement. If a court recognizes a lifelong injury inflicted on a non-consenting minor based on their sex, the logical, constitutional conclusion is that those victims should have a path to restitution. 

Part A: Expanding the Law & Opening the Door to Lawsuits

"Additionally, were the Court to adopt a saving construction of ORS 163.207 and 431A.600 that expanded the statutes’ protections to all non-medically necessary child genital cutting, Plaintiffs could vindicate their rights practically by suing their circumcisers under a statutory torts legal theory that is currently available only to female victims of child genital cutting."

Key Terms Broken Down

Saving Construction: When a law is challenged as unconstitutional, a court can sometimes "save" it by interpreting it in a new, broader, or narrower way rather than striking it down entirely. Here, the plaintiffs want the court to "save" the law by stretching it to cover all children, not just females.

ORS 163.207 and 431A.600: These are Oregon’s specific criminal and public health statutes that explicitly ban Female Genital Mutilation (FGM).

Statutory Tort: A "tort" is a civil wrong that allows you to sue someone for money damages. A statutory tort means the right to sue is baked directly into a written law. Because FGM is illegal by statute, female victims have a clear, direct path to sue their cutters in civil court.

In Plain English

The plaintiffs are saying: "If the court agrees to rewrite or interpret Oregon's anti-FGM laws so that they protect allchildren instead of just girls, it will change the game. It means men who were circumcised as babies would suddenly gain the legal right to turn around and sue the doctors or practitioners who circumcised them for financial damages—a right that currently only women have under Oregon law." 

Here’s the 72 page lawsuit https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/66119b8c4d0c10f1951590fc/67e6d9785f82dc54c6513cb7_2025-03-28%20-%20Hadachek%20v.%20Oregon%20-%20Amended%20Complaint%20(Conformed).pdf

tldr if the law was not literally sexist and was just applied equally and impartially most men alive today (in 2026) who are under the age of about 28 or so and live in / were born in a hospital in at least a handful of states in the United States of America would easily be entitled to hundreds of thousands of dollars or even a few million dollars each for what was done to them as a baby. I am not being hyperbolic. obviously if let’s conservatively say theres 3 million men in ny who are under the age of 27 and if 60 percent of them were born in and circumcised in a hospital in ny Thats 1.8 million men who are each entitled to a few million dollars each, 3 million dollars each times 1.8 million young ny cut men equals 5.4 TRILLION DOLLARS with a T . that’s like 1/6 of the entire usa national debt.

All men who were circumcised as babies deserve at least 10 million USA dollars.
They were innocent babies and were horribly, permanently and irreversibly mutilated for their entire one life on earth before it even began.
There is NO way to FULLY or even MOSTLY recover their lost foreskins and all of it's structures. Stretching does not nearly even come close to restoring it to it's original form.

>Why at least 10 million usa dollars?

Because there was a case of a adult man who merely had some mean words, drawings and jokes said to him at work. Nothing criminally illegal like death threats, leaking his social security number etc. He later quit his job at Tesla he wasn't fired. He was offered 15 million 2022 dollars for his hurt feelings by a usa judge https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tesla-racism-lawsuit-worker-rejects-15-million-payout-rcna34655
He was literally offered 15 million dollars that the government would take from Tesla and hand directly to him. He rejected it because he wanted more then 15 million 2022 dollars but the point stands the government is willing to say mean words and hurt feelings are worth at least 15 million 2022 dollars.
Being circumcised as a baby is AT LEAST ten times worse so a mere ten million dollars per mutilated at birth man is already a deep deep compromise.

CASE #2

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/07/20/mcdonalds-lawsuit-hot-chicken-nugget/70436203007/

A random family is in a car. These are not employees they're just random customers.
They go to McDonalds drive through

Mom buys nuggets

Gives nuggets (corpses of tortured and mutilated animals that were factory farmed) to her little kid

Kid drops nugget on thigh and it sits on her thigh for a few minutes or so while mother is distracted.

It leaves a slight burn on thigh

Burn heals completely leaving a small barely noticable and not painful scar on thigh

Girl gets 800,000 dollars.

Circumcising a baby is at least 13 times worse easily.
It's obviously way way worse than 13 times but whatever let's be extremely conservative

That's just over 10 million usa dollars

You deserve this.

ROUTINE CIRCUMCISION OF BABY BOYS IS BATTERY!! It is non consensual touching which is medically unnecessary. This is actually legally correct at least in usa as intactivist lawyers have argued

GUESS What? A battery can be worth 5 million dollars or more

Circumcision is doing severe permanent irreversible physical damage to an innocent baby boy . Possible severe mental damage too

A hedge fund executive punched a parking attendant once during a dispute over a car.

The Injuries: A broken cheekbone and a concussion. The victim recovered physically within months, but sued for emotional distress and battery.

The Verdict: The jury awarded $1.2 million for medical bills and pain, but added $7 million in punitive damages specifically because of the defendant’s wealth and the "predatory" nature of the assault.

This is the classic "regular guy" example often cited in legal circles.

The Incident: A man was punched once by a security guard at a Las Vegas nightclub.

The Injuries: A broken jaw and a concussion. No permanent disability, but the victim required surgery (his jaw was wired shut for weeks).

The Result: A jury awarded him $4.75 million.

$5 Million (Carroll v. Trump)

While there was a later $83 million verdict for defamation, the original 2023 verdict for the battery itself was $5 million.

The Incident: A single encounter in a department store dressing room.

The Injuries: No "super severe" physical injuries (like broken bones or hospitalization), but the jury focused on the psychological trauma.

The Result: The $5 million award was for the act of battery and the associated pain and suffering.

If Carroll can get 5 million then so should men circumcised as boys

Not everyone would instantly become a multimillionaire No circumcision reparations for women

Tens of millions of men would be given millions of dollars printed into existence. Yes it would cause inflation. That's okay. BRING THE DIGITAL CURRENCY OR TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR USA BILLS NOW

15 million dollars for each man cut as baby

100 million cut men

100 million × $5 million = $500 trillion

US GDP is roughly $28 trillion

That's about 15 times the entire US economy

so a 3 dollar loaf of bread would become 45 dollars or so.

100 USA DOLLAR BILL will barely EVEN BUY YOU A SODA AND THAT IS OKAY

If bread costs 100 dollars a loaf that's fine. It's the uncircumcised who didn't get reparations who won't be able to afford bread at first. They can work for a circumcised person who got reparations for 150 dollars an hour or something

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWVz_DcSeZc

He wasn't even arrested. He wasn't even handcuffed. If he can get millions of dollars why can't I?

And just who will fund this? The government's infinite money printers.

Taddio, A., et al. (1997). "Effect of neonatal circumcision on pain response during subsequent routine vaccination." The Lancet, 349(9052), 599-603

That is Neurological Imprinting. This study followed infants for months after their circumcision. It found that boys who were circumcised especially those without anesthesia, which was common at the time, showed a significantly stronger pain response higher heart rates, more intense crying during routine vaccinations months later compared to intact boys.

I provided a peer reviewed evidence that the infant brain is rewired or sensitized by the trauma of circumcision thus refuting the myth that newborns don't feel pain or won't remember it

Frisch, M., et al. (2013). "Cultural Bias in the AAP’s 2012 Technical Report and Policy Statement on Male Circumcision." Pediatrics, 131(4), 796-800.

peer-reviewed high-impact critique signed by 38 high-ranking physicians and health officials from 16 European countries. It was written specifically to dismantle the American Academy of Pediatrics claim that the benefits of routine baby boy cutting outweigh the risks

It argues that the alleged benefits (reduced UTI, HIV and cancer) are statistically marginal in developed Western nations. For example, it points out that you would need to circumcise between 909 and 322,000 infants to prevent a single case of pp cancer a disease that is already rare and can be prevented by hygiene and HPV vaccination

It argues that because the medical benefits are not compelling the procedure violates the child's right to bodily integrity and should be deferred until the individual can provide informed consent.

Men and boys are explicitly discriminated against because they are not protected from mgm and also have no real recourse if it is done to them. it’s unconstitutional and violates equal protection

a part 2 of this post https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1tcfzhb/comment/olru4ue/

The federal laws and almost all state laws in the United States treat baby girls being circumcised very differently than baby boys being circumcised. It’s probably one of the clearest examples of misandry 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/circumcision-oregon-lawsuit-male-genital-b2725383.html

Several men circumcised at birth are suing the state of Oregon for allegedly “stealing” their bodily autonomy while also arguing that a current genital mutilation law discriminates against boys.

California-based attorney Eric Clopper filed the lawsuit last week on behalf of Cecil Mininger and his teenage son, as well as brothers Carter and Landon Moody, in Multnomah County Circuit Court in Portland. The plaintiffs all had their foreskins surgically removed as infants within the state, according to the filing.

The 76-page document alleges that boys have been neglected by the state and asks for equal protection under a law that bans female genital mutilation. The current law, it says, which only protects women from genital cutting, is a violation of the state constitution’s Equal Rights Amendment and Equal Protection Clause.

The suit urges the court to either ban genital cutting procedures for children of any gender or overturn the statute entirely.

However, the suit argues that victims of male genital cutting could sue their circumcisers. It claimed that the procedure has become “medicalized” in the U.S. but provides few health benefits and inhibits healthy sexual function.

“This lawsuit is about one simple, urgent principle: equal protection under the law,” Clopper, who founded Intact Global, a non-profit that says it stands against non-religious genital mutilation that is funding the suit, wrote in a statement on the organization’s website Friday.

“If Oregon protects girls from non-consensual genital cutting, it must protect boys and intersex children too. Anything less is unconstitutional.”

https://equalitynow.org/what-we-do/womens-rights-around-the-world/womens-rights-in-north-america/us_laws_against_fgm_state_by_state/

Almost every state in the USA has laws against female circumcision of minors and many states have had laws making it illegal (and a felony) to circumcise a female minor for DECADES

Female circumcision is already illegal and girls who are cut as babies can already sue for what was done to them when they become an adult, just apply the law equally to men too . She already has the legal ability to seek out compensation for that, I just want the law applied equally . So that men also have the ability to get restitution and have legal recourse. Why pay taxes and follow the social contract if police will protect baby girls from being cut but not baby boys? They’ll protect doctors who cut baby boys. women who are circumcised as girls can get literally millions of dollars and in their 20s and then retire very comfortably with her multi million dollar settlement and live comfortably off the backs of hard working broke men who were circumcised as babies and have no legal ability to get reparations or sue their doctors or hospitals.

S 130.85 Female genital mutilation.

1. A person is guilty of female genital mutilation when:
   (a) a person knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole
   or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another
   person who has not reached eighteen years of age; or
   (b) being a parent, guardian or other person legally responsible and
   charged with the care or custody of a child less than eighteen years
   old, he or she knowingly consents to the circumcision, excision or
   infibulation of whole or part of such child`s labia majora or labia
   minora or clitoris.
2. Such circumcision, excision, or infibulation is not a violation of
   this section if such act is:
   (a) necessary to the health of the person on whom it is performed, and
   is performed by a person licensed in the place of its performance as a
   medical practitioner; or
   (b) performed on a person in labor or who has just given birth and is
   performed for medical purposes connected with that labor or birth by a
   person licensed in the place it is performed as a medical practitioner,
   midwife, or person in training to become such a practitioner or midwife.
3. For the purposes of paragraph (a) of subdivision two of this
   section, no account shall be taken of the effect on the person on whom
   such procedure is to be performed of any belief on the part of that or
   any other person that such procedure is required as a matter of custom
   or ritual.
   Female genital mutilation is a class E felony.

New York N.Y. Penal Law § 130.85 Effective 11/1/1997

Who can women sue if circumcised as baby girl and how much money would they get in USA? What if it was done by doctor with nurses?

Women can primarily sue the medical providers (doctor, nurses, hospital/clinic) who performed the procedure via medical malpractice, battery, or related tort claims. FGM (female genital mutilation/circumcision) on a minor is illegal under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 116, as amended) and in 41+ states, treated as child abuse with no cultural/religious/parental consent defense in most jurisdictions.

https://equalitynow.org/what-we-do/womens-rights-around-the-world/womens-rights-in-north-america/us_laws_against_fgm_state_by_state/

this is important because routine male infant circumcision is a battery. many lawyers have argued this and they are right.

The doctor and assisting nurses/hospital are the Primary targets for civil liability. Performing non-medically necessary FGM on an infant deviates from the standard of care and constitutes negligence or intentional tort (e.g., battery). Many states explicitly allow civil damages in their FGM statutes (e.g., Arizona provides a civil remedy). obviously this applies to mgm too

Parents/guardians: Potentially liable for facilitating or consenting, but suing one's own parents is rare, complex (family dynamics, statutes of limitations), and often not the focus. Criminal liability for parents exists in many states.

it’s possible to civilly go after doctor nurses and hospital that performed the surgery but not go after your parents. there’s already cases of this with fgm

Statute of limitations: Many states extend this for FGM/child abuse victims until years after turning 18 (e.g., 3–10 years post-18 in states like Arizona, Arkansas). 

Hospitals often carry large insurance policies, increasing settlement potential. Successful suits could include punitive damages if egregious.

Done by doctor with nurses: Strongest case medical malpractice plus battery. Hospitals can be vicariously liable. Informed consent was impossible for an infant, and FGM isn't medically necessary (exceptions exist only for true health needs, like certain surgeries, not ritual "circumcision").

again it should be very obvious how this applies to mgm too.

In ny in 2019 would a woman who was circumcised as a baby in 1999 be able to sue?

Yes, in 2019 in New York, a woman who was subjected to female genital mutilation ("circumcision") as a baby in 1999 could likely sue under the Child Victims Act (CVA), which took effect that year.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/S2440

Key Reasons

New York Penal Law § 130.85 criminalizes FGM (knowingly circumcising, excising, or infibulating the labia majora/minora or clitoris of a person under 18, or a parent/guardian knowingly consenting to it). It is a class E felony and explicitly falls under Article 130 of the Penal Law (sexual offenses).

https://criminaldefense.1800nynylaw.com/new-york-penal-code/new-york-penal-code-130-85-genital-mutilation/

CPLR § 214-g (the civil revival provision of the CVA, signed into law in February 2019) revived previously time-barred civil claims for conduct that would constitute a sexual offense under Article 130 (including § 130.85) committed against a child under 18. It allowed suits for physical, psychological, or other injuries from such acts. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/cvp/article-2/214-g/

The CVA created a one-time lookback window (roughly August 2019 to August 2021) for filing revived claims, regardless of the victim's age or how long ago the act occurred. A woman ~20 years old in 2019 would have fallen squarely within this window for events from 1999. https://hermanlaw.com/new-york/child-victims-act/

Standard medical malpractice SOL (2.5 years under CPLR 214-a) or battery (1 year) would have long expired by 2019, but the CVA overrode that for qualifying sexual offenses like FGM. https://www.lanierlawfirm.com/new-york/civil-statute-of-limitations/

Could she take home 5 million dollars? If the doctor hospital nurses were in on it and it’s extremely well documented that it happened and was premeditated with lots of papers signed by them and proof the hospital admins knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen

Yes, in a strong case with the facts you describe, a multimillion-dollar recovery including potentially $5 million or more net to the plaintiff is realistically possible in New York under the 2019 Child Victims Act framework. https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/new-york-sex-abuse-settlements.html

Why This Scenario Strengthens the Case

Premeditation, documentation, and institutional knowledge: Signed papers, hospital admin awareness/approval, and involvement of doctor/nurses/hospital create powerful evidence of battery, lack of informed consent (impossible for an infant), negligence, and potentially punitive damages for egregious conduct. This goes beyond standard malpractice into intentional or reckless institutional wrongdoing.
CVA applicability: FGM qualifies as a sexual offense under NY Penal Law § 130.85, reviving the claim in the 2019 lookback window. Courts treat it as child sexual abuse for civil purposes. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/cvp/article-2/214-g/

Realistic Compensation Ranges in NY CVA/Malpractice Cases
NY juries and settlements in strong Child Victims Act cases (especially with documented institutional enabling) have produced:

Single-plaintiff verdicts: $5M to $30M+ (e.g., $30M CVA verdict with $15M compensatory + $15M punitive; $13.3M; $5M affirmed on appeal). https://www.blockotoole.com/verdicts-settlements/30-million-ny-child-victims-act-verdict/

Hospital/medical cases: Multi-million averages per plaintiff in mass settlements (e.g., Columbia/NewYork-Presbyterian paid ~$1.3M average per survivor in a large OB-GYN abuse case, with total payouts over $1B across resolutions). https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/new-york-sex-abuse-settlements.html

Medical malpractice analogs (severe lifelong harm from procedures on infants): Often tens of millions total, with pain-and-suffering components in the millions https://porterprotects.com/largest-birth-injury-settlements-new-york-history/

$5 million net to her is plausible in an exceptional case with clear lifelong harms (physical scarring, sexual dysfunction, psychological trauma, PTSD, etc.), strong experts, and sympathetic facts. Higher amounts are possible with proven egregious conduct and high damages (economic + non-economic + punitives). Many cases settle confidentially for substantial sums to avoid trial risk. https://jtnylaw.com/2026/02/survivors-act-5-million-verdict-childhood-sexual-abuse-ny/

tldr if the law was not literally sexist and was just applied equally and impartially most men alive today (in 2026) who are under the age of about 28 or so and live in / were born in a hospital in at least a handful of states in the United States of America would easily be entitled to hundreds of thousands of dollars or even a few million dollars each for what was done to them as a baby. I am not being hyperbolic. obviously if let’s conservatively say theres 3 million men in ny who are under the age of 27 and if 60 percent of them were born in and circumcised in a hospital in ny Thats 1.8 million men who are each entitled to a few million dollars each, 3 million dollars each times 1.8 million young ny cut men equals 5.4 TRILLION DOLLARS with a T . that’s like 1/6 of the entire usa national debt.

Men and boys are explicitly discriminated against because they are not protected from mgm and also have no real recourse if it is done to them.

a part 2 of this post https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1tcfzhb/comment/olru4ue/

The federal laws and almost all state laws in the United States treat baby girls being circumcised very differently than baby boys being circumcised. It’s probably one of the clearest examples of misandry 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/circumcision-oregon-lawsuit-male-genital-b2725383.html

Several men circumcised at birth are suing the state of Oregon for allegedly “stealing” their bodily autonomy while also arguing that a current genital mutilation law discriminates against boys.

California-based attorney Eric Clopper filed the lawsuit last week on behalf of Cecil Mininger and his teenage son, as well as brothers Carter and Landon Moody, in Multnomah County Circuit Court in Portland. The plaintiffs all had their foreskins surgically removed as infants within the state, according to the filing.

The 76-page document alleges that boys have been neglected by the state and asks for equal protection under a law that bans female genital mutilation. The current law, it says, which only protects women from genital cutting, is a violation of the state constitution’s Equal Rights Amendment and Equal Protection Clause.

The suit urges the court to either ban genital cutting procedures for children of any gender or overturn the statute entirely.

However, the suit argues that victims of male genital cutting could sue their circumcisers. It claimed that the procedure has become “medicalized” in the U.S. but provides few health benefits and inhibits healthy sexual function.

“This lawsuit is about one simple, urgent principle: equal protection under the law,” Clopper, who founded Intact Global, a non-profit that says it stands against non-religious genital mutilation that is funding the suit, wrote in a statement on the organization’s website Friday.

“If Oregon protects girls from non-consensual genital cutting, it must protect boys and intersex children too. Anything less is unconstitutional.”

https://equalitynow.org/what-we-do/womens-rights-around-the-world/womens-rights-in-north-america/us_laws_against_fgm_state_by_state/

Almost every state in the USA has laws against female circumcision of minors and many states have had laws making it illegal (and a felony) to circumcise a female minor for DECADES

Female circumcision is already illegal and girls who are cut as babies can already sue for what was done to them when they become an adult, just apply the law equally to men too . She already has the legal ability to seek out compensation for that, I just want the law applied equally . So that men also have the ability to get restitution and have legal recourse. Why pay taxes and follow the social contract if police will protect baby girls from being cut but not baby boys? They’ll protect doctors who cut baby boys. women who are circumcised as girls can get literally millions of dollars and in their 20s and then retire very comfortably with her multi million dollar settlement and live comfortably off the backs of hard working broke men who were circumcised as babies and have no legal ability to get reparations or sue their doctors or hospitals.

S 130.85 Female genital mutilation.

1. A person is guilty of female genital mutilation when:
   (a) a person knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole
   or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another
   person who has not reached eighteen years of age; or
   (b) being a parent, guardian or other person legally responsible and
   charged with the care or custody of a child less than eighteen years
   old, he or she knowingly consents to the circumcision, excision or
   infibulation of whole or part of such child`s labia majora or labia
   minora or clitoris.
2. Such circumcision, excision, or infibulation is not a violation of
   this section if such act is:
   (a) necessary to the health of the person on whom it is performed, and
   is performed by a person licensed in the place of its performance as a
   medical practitioner; or
   (b) performed on a person in labor or who has just given birth and is
   performed for medical purposes connected with that labor or birth by a
   person licensed in the place it is performed as a medical practitioner,
   midwife, or person in training to become such a practitioner or midwife.
3. For the purposes of paragraph (a) of subdivision two of this
   section, no account shall be taken of the effect on the person on whom
   such procedure is to be performed of any belief on the part of that or
   any other person that such procedure is required as a matter of custom
   or ritual.
   Female genital mutilation is a class E felony.

New York N.Y. Penal Law § 130.85 Effective 11/1/1997

Who can women sue if circumcised as baby girl and how much money would they get in USA? What if it was done by doctor with nurses?

Women can primarily sue the medical providers (doctor, nurses, hospital/clinic) who performed the procedure via medical malpractice, battery, or related tort claims. FGM (female genital mutilation/circumcision) on a minor is illegal under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 116, as amended) and in 41+ states, treated as child abuse with no cultural/religious/parental consent defense in most jurisdictions.

https://equalitynow.org/what-we-do/womens-rights-around-the-world/womens-rights-in-north-america/us_laws_against_fgm_state_by_state/

this is important because routine male infant circumcision is a battery. many lawyers have argued this and they are right.

The doctor and assisting nurses/hospital are the Primary targets for civil liability. Performing non-medically necessary FGM on an infant deviates from the standard of care and constitutes negligence or intentional tort (e.g., battery). Many states explicitly allow civil damages in their FGM statutes (e.g., Arizona provides a civil remedy). obviously this applies to mgm too

Parents/guardians: Potentially liable for facilitating or consenting, but suing one's own parents is rare, complex (family dynamics, statutes of limitations), and often not the focus. Criminal liability for parents exists in many states.

it’s possible to civilly go after doctor nurses and hospital that performed the surgery but not go after your parents. there’s already cases of this with fgm

Statute of limitations: Many states extend this for FGM/child abuse victims until years after turning 18 (e.g., 3–10 years post-18 in states like Arizona, Arkansas). 

Hospitals often carry large insurance policies, increasing settlement potential. Successful suits could include punitive damages if egregious.

Done by doctor with nurses: Strongest case medical malpractice plus battery. Hospitals can be vicariously liable. Informed consent was impossible for an infant, and FGM isn't medically necessary (exceptions exist only for true health needs, like certain surgeries, not ritual "circumcision").

again it should be very obvious how this applies to mgm too.

In ny in 2019 would a woman who was circumcised as a baby in 1999 be able to sue?

Yes, in 2019 in New York, a woman who was subjected to female genital mutilation ("circumcision") as a baby in 1999 could likely sue under the Child Victims Act (CVA), which took effect that year.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/S2440

Key Reasons

New York Penal Law § 130.85 criminalizes FGM (knowingly circumcising, excising, or infibulating the labia majora/minora or clitoris of a person under 18, or a parent/guardian knowingly consenting to it). It is a class E felony and explicitly falls under Article 130 of the Penal Law (sexual offenses).

https://criminaldefense.1800nynylaw.com/new-york-penal-code/new-york-penal-code-130-85-genital-mutilation/

CPLR § 214-g (the civil revival provision of the CVA, signed into law in February 2019) revived previously time-barred civil claims for conduct that would constitute a sexual offense under Article 130 (including § 130.85) committed against a child under 18. It allowed suits for physical, psychological, or other injuries from such acts. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/cvp/article-2/214-g/

The CVA created a one-time lookback window (roughly August 2019 to August 2021) for filing revived claims, regardless of the victim's age or how long ago the act occurred. A woman ~20 years old in 2019 would have fallen squarely within this window for events from 1999. https://hermanlaw.com/new-york/child-victims-act/

Standard medical malpractice SOL (2.5 years under CPLR 214-a) or battery (1 year) would have long expired by 2019, but the CVA overrode that for qualifying sexual offenses like FGM. https://www.lanierlawfirm.com/new-york/civil-statute-of-limitations/

Could she take home 5 million dollars? If the doctor hospital nurses were in on it and it’s extremely well documented that it happened and was premeditated with lots of papers signed by them and proof the hospital admins knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen

Yes, in a strong case with the facts you describe, a multimillion-dollar recovery including potentially $5 million or more net to the plaintiff is realistically possible in New York under the 2019 Child Victims Act framework. https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/new-york-sex-abuse-settlements.html

Why This Scenario Strengthens the Case

Premeditation, documentation, and institutional knowledge: Signed papers, hospital admin awareness/approval, and involvement of doctor/nurses/hospital create powerful evidence of battery, lack of informed consent (impossible for an infant), negligence, and potentially punitive damages for egregious conduct. This goes beyond standard malpractice into intentional or reckless institutional wrongdoing.
CVA applicability: FGM qualifies as a sexual offense under NY Penal Law § 130.85, reviving the claim in the 2019 lookback window. Courts treat it as child sexual abuse for civil purposes. https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/cvp/article-2/214-g/

Realistic Compensation Ranges in NY CVA/Malpractice Cases
NY juries and settlements in strong Child Victims Act cases (especially with documented institutional enabling) have produced:

Single-plaintiff verdicts: $5M to $30M+ (e.g., $30M CVA verdict with $15M compensatory + $15M punitive; $13.3M; $5M affirmed on appeal). https://www.blockotoole.com/verdicts-settlements/30-million-ny-child-victims-act-verdict/

Hospital/medical cases: Multi-million averages per plaintiff in mass settlements (e.g., Columbia/NewYork-Presbyterian paid ~$1.3M average per survivor in a large OB-GYN abuse case, with total payouts over $1B across resolutions). https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/new-york-sex-abuse-settlements.html

Medical malpractice analogs (severe lifelong harm from procedures on infants): Often tens of millions total, with pain-and-suffering components in the millions https://porterprotects.com/largest-birth-injury-settlements-new-york-history/

$5 million net to her is plausible in an exceptional case with clear lifelong harms (physical scarring, sexual dysfunction, psychological trauma, PTSD, etc.), strong experts, and sympathetic facts. Higher amounts are possible with proven egregious conduct and high damages (economic + non-economic + punitives). Many cases settle confidentially for substantial sums to avoid trial risk. https://jtnylaw.com/2026/02/survivors-act-5-million-verdict-childhood-sexual-abuse-ny/

tldr if the law was not literally sexist and was just applied equally and impartially most men alive today (in 2026) who are under the age of about 28 or so and live in / were born in a hospital in at least a handful of states in the United States of America would easily be entitled to hundreds of thousands of dollars or even a few million dollars each for what was done to them as a baby. I am not being hyperbolic. obviously if let’s conservatively say theres 3 million men in ny who are under the age of 27 and if 60 percent of them were born in and circumcised in a hospital in ny Thats 1.8 million men who are each entitled to a few million dollars each, 3 million dollars each times 1.8 million young ny cut men equals 5.4 TRILLION DOLLARS with a T . that’s like 1/6 of the entire usa national debt.