r/MensRights

We always hear things like "we are feminists and we do care about men's issues! Quit lying about us!"

But then you look at most feminist groups and members and they are one of two things

1- the vast majority who simply don't care and are aware that feminism is a women-centered movement since day 1

2- feminists who do care, but their way of caring is done more out of wanting to increase their own ego about how their gender is so superior to yours, rather than actual sympathy and compassion towards troubled men.

"Let's fix toxic masculinity" as in "oh, you stupid losers. You deserve everything coming at you and it is all your own fault, but look at me, so compassionate and empathetic that I would like to help you due to my immense generosity despite you deserving all the bad things in your life" (read about the inherent hyper/hypo-agency semantic differences between "toxic masculinity" and "internalized misogyny")

Oh, you are heartbroken because you got rejected or broken up with or feeling lonely in general? Let me help you with that

But first, say it with me. 1.. 2.. 3.. go! Women don't owe me anything! Women don't owe me anything! Women don't owe me anything! I respect my ex's choice to leave me! I respect my ex's choice to leave me! I respect women's choices to reject me! I respect women's choices to reject me! (It sounds funnier when you imagine it as some fitness coach jumping up and down while teaching her male student to jump and say those things with her)

All their "care" is gynocentric in essence and is mentally modelled around how it should benefit women (a healthy man won't rape a woman, a successfully moving-on man won't assault his crush or ex) rather than how it should benefit the men they claim to care about.

They have to humiliate you first before the "help" part starts.

Given that in many territories now, stealthing* is considered rape. Should a woman lying about her fertility status or lying whether is on the pill be considered a form of stealthing and similarly illegal on the same level?.

*Stealthing, defined as a man lying about using a condom or intentionally damaging a condom before sex.

My girlfriend wants me to cut off contact with other women. If I don't do as she says, she will stay friends with other men. What should I do?

Is feminism all about gender blaming ??

I ask myself question every time i see men being generalised and called out for no reason at all a majority of men are reasonable , rational and just wanna have a good life but as soon as any crime happen against women all of a sudden it becomes the liability of the entire gender and its ridiculous on so many levels . Men can't cry for help that's considered weakness the laws in india have always been against men and yet a big chunk of women think that men are privileged .

Let's take the recent incident for better understanding

A crime happened against a women which was devastating for both men and women but then what happened next was disturbing slogans started coming along which started generalizing men for no reason and calling out all men

You can't generalize an entire gender that makes the half the population of the world for crimes done by a very few number of that gender ( in comparison to the innocents) so this slogan 1 kachori 2 samosa inn mardo ka kya bharosa makes no sense at all . Its like saying all women are same because someone got packed in a blue drum . So yeah this entire slogan and blaming an entire gender is crap

Whereas the slogans should have been about the police investigations , evidence , speedy trials in such cases and the crime and the criminals .

But these pathetic feminist chose to start a protest entirely against men when we as men have always tried to keep the women around us safe . But we are being targeted today for something most of us never even supported and were always against such crimes

I was falsely accused. It ruined my life. 8 years later I still haven’t recovered. The accusation and legal proceedings ended in full dismissal of all charges 2 weeks prior to trial after the court finally read my defense teams motions with all of our texts that proved she was lying. It took four years to end something I proved to them in the first weeks of the “investigation”.

Why did this happen? Fear of public perception trumps any rights of the accused in the US today. I was accused by a USAFA cadet. Due to many scandals at USAFA, every service academy reports SA numbers directly to congress, with extreme emphasis on investigating and prosecuting every allegation. I lost four years before the courts finally stepped in and dismissed charges that the JA and the Air Force spent probably over a million tax payer dollars pursuing. They never had anything more than her statement. Every witness refuted her claims. They only cared what would happen if the allegation became public and wanted to ensure they would look like they did everything they could and just couldn’t get the poor victim justice. I’m the victim, but I’m a dude so I was told “be grateful cause it could have been much worse”.

For the Cornell 7 ….. they’re fucked, but not due to the SA allegations. What’s actually going to happen is way, way too many powerful and influential people have jumped on the bandwagon demanding justice, including some politicians etc. they tied their reputations to something before seeing any of the evidence besides what “Jane Doe” claimed in her civil suit. The reality is that the DA didn’t pursue charges because she admitted to consent, and unlike all the retarded people here on Reddit think, the DA would know that drug use / alcohol does not mean you can’t consent. She admitted consent multiple times in her own statement. The entire civil suit rests on her claiming she couldn’t consent at all due to ketamine use. I’ve read two dozen articles on this shit and the major factors always overlap once you strip out the extreme editorializing used to sell their product.
- she consented
- She never lost consciousness
- Witnesses (who were not part of the sexual activity) confirmed they checked on her, she claimed she was fine, had all of her faculties in tact
She was not restrained and could have simply got up and walked out if she didn’t want to be there.
- The texts are the most damning. From a legal perspective I could name a few dozen things in those alone that should shred a lot of her credibility as an alleged victim, if not straight up eviscerate it

And the one thing I haven’t seen a single article discuss, mistake of fact to consent. Anyone has every right to withdraw consent at any time, the question then becomes, was this communicated to the other parties. I’ve seen some talk about her admitting to consenting to the original 2 but no others. Did she tell the others no? Did she ask them to stop? Did she communicate her non consent. These are all questions that need to be asked prior to criminal charges.

I’m sure the social justice warriors will jump in with every excuse for all of the above, but from a legal standpoint, looking like beyond a reasonable doubt cannot be nearly met. I’m sure the DA made a choice not to file charges knowing they didn’t stand a chance at conviction and instead accepted the punishments imposed on them by the school.

So what happens next? They will almost entirely swap narratives in the coming weeks when these things become more public and the original investigation is reviewed. Those people will NEVER admit there were wrong. The entire convo will change from these men are rapists to “colleges routinely sweep SA allegations under the rug, about making sure men are better educated on consent, and ensuring justice for victims etc. Jane Doe will get a settlement and her payday that will most likely go undisclosed, rewarding her for ruining these men’s lives. And the men? A couple may walk away just being pegged as rapists for the rest of their lives. The others will have every charge they can muster thrown at them in an attempt to make all the national media attention worth while. They will state some bullshit while they couldn’t get justice for Jane doe due to the “limitations” of the law or some other buzzword to avoid saying they’re innocent or that her allegations are not supported, but that justice will be done because they’ll negotiate plea deals for anything else they can make stick. Particularly the drug charges. Ketamine is still illegal and a bunch of them openly admitted to it. So there’s probably felony drug charges coming for them, including intent to distribute. Jane Doe admitted to voluntarily doing it, but charges won’t even be discussed.

I’m calling it now. If charges go to trial it won’t be due to sufficient evidence but hopes a bias jury will convinct with no supporting evidence, which does happen. But I’m betting this won’t end for a year or two, and when it does it’ll be none SA related charges that equally ruin their lives.

All the powerful people that hitched themselves to this wagon will convince stupid people that this was a win for justice, people will still believe these men raped that woman and nothing will ever convince them otherwise. The cycle will repeat. Again and again.

How can they be main characters when they themselves want to join the institutions and systems built by men?? Bruh how would feminism even work???

This feminist counterargument doesn't seem to be mentioned enough in these men's rights communities, even tho I've heard it IRL multiple times. So, I need to do it justice.

Is the claim, that women weren't allowed in combat, generally true of most societies? Yes, AFAIK.

Does it work as a moral justification for the draft, or as evidence that men were not disproportionally oppressed by the draft? Absolutely not.

Not being allowed to go to war is not at all comparable to being forced to go to war. Some militaries provide decent incentives to join, but missing out on that doesn't cause women or other potential volunteers to die. It's just a career opportunity cost. Being forced to fight means having your life gambled on behalf of the nation collectively.

In most wartimes involving a male-only draft and banning women, there were probably more men who wanted not to fight than women who wanted to fight, and for good reason as aforementioned.

Let me make a table of outcomes to drive home this ethical asymmetry. This is not considering the collective benefits of national defense and winning the war; only those outcomes which affect the individual.

-	I'm not allowed to fight	I'm forced to fight
I want to go to war	Too bad; I could've gotten a salary with free room & board	Doesn't affect me; I want to fight for my country for a living
I don't want to go to war	Doesn't affect me; I don't have to risk my life	I could literally die any day from this war ☠️

My son was falsely accused by another student of sexual assault at a bar. They did not know each other, but had mutual friends. She accused him of two different incidences. The fallout was terrible. He really couldn’t remember much because he had been drinking heavily and everyone believed everything she said, even though no one saw anything. Thank God he called us. So many college students do not reach out for help due to shame and embarrassment. Long story short, we were able to get the CCTV footage from the bar. Not even did he not do the things she accused him of, no one else did either. It seems she lied to make her boyfriend jealous and get attention from people. My son was kicked out of his frat, later reinstated but it was only a matter of before she went to the university and the police. Everyone believed he because why would she lie?Everyone lies that’s why we have to wait for all the evidence. And by the way, I am a woman and I was assaulted by a stranger in college. There are plenty of cases of false accusations out there. my son sued her for defamation and won. The problem is that no one cares about the falsely accused mental health. It caused him suicidal ideation and PTSD. My husband and I have PTSD from all of it too. He did not file a complaint with the university but they knew all about it and they never reached out to him not one time. I’m in this group but I made a throw away account for this. My son does not like to even talk about it several years later. To any of you who have been falsely accused, I genuinely feel your pain and suffering. Our society has degraded so much that we will say the worst things imaginable to hurt another person. I am in no way saying that sexual violence against women and men does not happen. But this rush to condemn the accused has to stop.

Imagine the following headline: Foreign government uses social media and promisse of high salary to lure women into the country. After they sign their contract, passport are retained and they cant go back to their countries. There they face physical and mental abuse, and are extremely likely to die.

In this scenario, there would be national cry, investigations, diplomats would be called, etc.

Except, this is the daily reality faced by many young men from third world countries that fell victim to propaganda, promisses of salary, manhood, belongining, honor. Both russia and ukraine operate campaign of recruiting full of lies and deception. Often those man are sent to the front and used as meat fodder for them. Meanwhile the soldiers influencers sell the lies everyday on instagram and telegram.

We grow up hearing that manhood is sacrificing. The hero dies to save the world. The great warrior fought with honor. etc. Every week I see posts on social media of young man, "mercenaries", dying in this war, and all they receive is laughs. They choosed it. But when an young woman goes to dubai for modeling and suffers abuse, its an human trafficking tragedy.

Nowdays, ukraine doesnt even bother to tell the loved ones that their children are dead.

Its easy to put all the blame on the young man without asking "Was money really the reason?"