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Скажу відверто, що мене поведінка земляків у цій ситуації з УПА дуже бісить.

Бачу купу дописів та коментарів про те, що, мовляв, які вони погані й тупі, ці жителі західних країн, що засуджують героїзацію УПА.

"Поляки тупі, вестерни тупі, всі тупі, одні тільки ми розумні".

Також дуже дратує рівень аргументації у стилі "Армія Крайова також вбивала українців / Пілсудський проводив пацифікацію".

"Не вказуйте нам, кого вважати героями"

"Ну ОК, не вказуйте нам тоді, кого приймати в Євросоюз"

Боюся, що ми тепер можемо просрати все і пересваритися зі всіма просто тому, що вперлися рогом і наполягаємо на героїзації тих, кого вся Європа вважає військовими злочинцями.

Просто майте на увазі, що пересічний житель західних країн спирається на ось цю статтю у Вікіпедії: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

Саме звідти вони беруть дані. Якщо ви вважаєте, що щось у цій статті неправильно, і "вестерни" помиляються, коли керуються цією інформацією, то не кричіть, які вони погані, не обзивайте їх "російськими ботами", а наводьте переконливі аргументи. Тільки дійсно переконливі, а не "Армія Крайова також вбивала поляків" (і так, було б добре ознайомитися з тим, чому цей аргумент для них непереконливий).

Або ми будуємо дружні стосунки з країнами Європи, враховуючи почуття сусідів, та інтегруємося в Євросоюз, або продовжуємо говорити, що вони погані, і залишаємося відсталою країною без підтримки.

Я бачу коментарі, в яких жителі західних країн пишуть, що, мовляв, припиняю донатити на ЗСУ / я розчарувався в Україні тощо. Тобто ваша, любі земляки, впертість, буквально може коштувати життя нашим бійцям.

Серйозно, мені це не вкладається в голову: буквально ризикувати власною безпекою заради того, щоб героїзувати тих, хто вбив десятки тисяч мирних людей. Чому? Невже нема інших героїв?

Я не кажу, що поляки в цій ситуації повністю праві та нічого поганого не зробили. Я просто думаю, що навіть якщо поляки також щось роблять не так, то ми могли б почати з себе.

Росіяни зараз радісно потирають руки, спостерігаючи, як ми сваримося з поляками.

Просто не можу дивитися, як ми стріляємо собі в ногу.

This is cringey, disgusting and infuriating at the same time.

What's wrong with these people?

Seriously, what do you think makes them do things like this when they continue emphasizing women even when the data on the same page shows that men are so disproportionately affected by violence?

I feel gaslighted. I'm starting to think that maybe I am wrong. Maybe I don't understand something? Maybe something is wrong with my ability to reason and make logical conclusions?

Source: https://ukrstat.gov.ua/druk/publicat/kat_e/2021/2021_GEIndicators-MonitoringRepor_ENG.pdf

This is cringey, disgusting and infuriating at the same time.

What's wrong with these people?

Seriously, what do you think makes them do things like this when they continue emphasizing women even when the data on the same page shows that men are so disproportionately affected by violence?

I feel gaslighted. I'm starting to think that maybe I am wrong. Maybe I don't understand something? Maybe something is wrong with my ability to reason and make logical conclusions?

Source: https://ukrstat.gov.ua/druk/publicat/kat_e/2021/2021_GEIndicators-MonitoringRepor_ENG.pdf

This is cringey, disgusting and infuriating at the same time.

What's wrong with these people?

Seriously, what do you think makes them do things like this when they continue emphasizing women even when the data on the same page shows that men are so disproportionately affected by violence?

I feel gaslighted. I'm starting to think that maybe I am wrong. Maybe I don't understand something? Maybe something is wrong with my ability to reason and make logical conclusions?

Source: https://ukrstat.gov.ua/druk/publicat/kat_e/2021/2021_GEIndicators-MonitoringRepor_ENG.pdf

I’m asking this seriously. How do you manage not to start feeling disgust for humanity?

When I see things like what’s in these screenshots, where a 19-year-old guy is kicked while he's down and victim-blamed in a mental health community instead of getting support, it’s hard not to feel something like misanthropy creeping in. I don’t know what to do about it, I’m just stating a fact for now.

How do you manage to keep faith in humanity?

How I try to comfort myself is by looking at it as an illness. The people who write these things are sick, and therefore shouldn't be taken too seriously.

Screenshot 1 shows the countries whose legislation includes special penalties for the murder of women (“femicide”) as of 2023. Source: World Bank.

Among these countries are Venezuela, Peru, Honduras, Turkey, Georgia, Gabon, and Morocco.

Morocco criminalizes homosexuality and prohibits preaching any religion other than Islam, and at the same time, it has a legally established special punishment for killing women.

It seems like some people view "femicide" laws as something progressive, but there is actually nothing progressive about them. These are plain traditional gender roles where the female sex is the object of protection, while men are those who deal with all kinds of danger and often die in the process.

The World Bank also provides more detailed examples of specific provisions in the "femicide" legislation of three countries — Mexico, Ecuador, and Peru (screenshots 4-5 show the example from Mexico).

I asked ChatGPT to go through each of these criteria and assess whether they could also apply to male victims. It answered that all of them are applicable to men, except for "Discrimination against women", which, however, can have a male analogue, and "Victim was pregnant", which is biologically specific to women.

The general idea expressed in phrasings like "for a reason related to gender", "because she is a woman", and "because of her gender" can apply to men just as well — if not even more so. Most violence against men happens because of their gender / because they are men. Violence against men (at least physical) is far more socially accepted than violence against women, and in many cases, a man would not be targeted if he were a woman (or, if the attack did occur, the violence would likely be less severe).

Screenshots 6-9 show homicide victim data by sex for all countries marked in blue on the map in Screenshot 1 (plus Italy, where a "femicide" law was adopted several months ago, minus Gabon, for which there’s no data available). Source: United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.

As we can see, in all these countries, without exception, the majority of homicide victims are men. In some of them, men are killed more than 10 times as often as women.

According to UN statistics, on average globally, men become victims of homicide nearly 4 times more often than women.

In 2024, for example, the recorded global homicide figures were: 83,098 women (2.05 per 100K) and 336,829 men (8.21 per 100K) — a ratio of approximately 1 to 4. The ratio in previous years was roughly the same.

Men constitute the majority of homicide victims in every region and subregion of the world, though with varying ratios. The largest gap between female and male victims is in the Americas (around 1 to 7), the smallest is in Oceania (around 1 to 2). Among subregions, the largest gap is in Latin America (nearly 1 to 9), and the smallest is in South Asia (around 1 to 1.5).

So we see an interesting picture: "femicide" legislation is most prevalent in the region with the world's largest gap between male and female homicide victims — Latin America, where men are killed nearly 9 times more often than women.

I wonder whether it’s a coincidence or a pattern.

Maybe the reasoning behind such laws was something like: "Well, our region is very dangerous, there's so much violence, all these gangs, so women need special protection in this dangerous environment".

But anyway, the "boys will be boys" attitude is quite obvious. Like, men kill each other all the time, something typical and not worth special concern. The priority must be to make sure that women are not harmed.

I think this is a serious mistake. Male-on-male violence, as the most socially accepted form of violence, is, in a certain sense, the foundation of violence in general. Aggressive traits and toxic beliefs are often shaped in male-on-male competition and conflict. Violence between men often serves as the environment that cultivates and normalizes aggression as such. This is something that ultimately affects women too. Pushing male-on-male violence into the background, treating it as something secondary, is a mistake, because it is not secondary — it is, to a large extent, foundational.

It is also unjust, because violence between men is a problem in its own right. The fact that young men in Latin America join gangs and end up dying in shootings is a tragedy. They do it not because their lives are going well.

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I used AI to speed up the translation of the original text written in my native language into English, but I carefully checked and double-checked the translation and made all necessary corrections to make sure it accurately corresponds to the original. The text is written by a human (me), but the translation into English is by AI (with my careful editing and corrections).