Romans 10 9

Does “confess Him as Lord” literally mean that’s required for salvation?

I’m trying to understand Romans 10:9: “If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”

Does “confess Him as Lord” mean that a person must verbally say those exact words in order to be saved? Or is Paul describing the outward expression of faith?

Because elsewhere Scripture seems to emphasize believing as the means by which we receive salvation and the new birth. For example, John 1:12–13 speaks of receiving Christ and believing in His name, and John 3:16 says whoever believes in Him has eternal life.

I’d especially appreciate perspectives that consider Romans 10:9 in its immediate context and alongside passages about believing for salvation.

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 1 day ago

Johnny Chang and John 2

What makes Johnny Chang’s teaching in this video so uncomfortable and honestly kind of cringe to me isn’t just that he has a different interpretation of John 2. Christians are obviously going to disagree about certain things.

What bothers me is how he keeps putting ideas into the passage that just aren’t there and then talks about them like John is actually teaching those things.

Take the wedding at Cana.

John says Jesus turned water into wine. Johnny immediately says the wine represents the blood of Jesus and joy, and then builds this whole theological message around that.

But where does John 2 actually say that?

It doesn’t.

The story is pretty straightforward. There’s a wedding, they run out of wine, Mary tells Jesus, Jesus tells the servants what to do, and He turns the water into wine. The master of the feast tastes it and comments on how good the wine is. Then John tells us this was Jesus’ first sign and that His disciples believed in Him.

He says Mary was approaching Jesus in a transactional way and needed a "realignment" in her heart.

He says Jesus calling Mary "woman" was specifically about showing her that He wasn’t just her earthly son but the divine Son of God.

He takes the water pots used for Jewish purification and turns them into a picture of people trying to purify themselves without the blood of Jesus.

Then he starts telling us what the servants were supposedly thinking.

He says they looked at the water, tasted the water, felt the water, etc.

But John never says any of that.

Actually, John says the servants who drew the water knew where the wine came from. The master of the feast didn't know where it came from, but the servants did.

Then he takes all of this and says, "Faith starts when logic ends."

Christian faith doesn't mean you have to turn your brain off.

Jesus turning water into wine is supernatural. That doesn't mean it's illogical. A miracle is something God does that we can't explain naturally. That's very different from saying it makes no sense or that faith begins where reasoning stops.

And then somehow the wedding at Cana becomes a lesson about our spiritual condition, sin, repentance, dead works, past sins, and eternal security.

Those are all things Christians can discuss. But that doesn't mean John 2 is teaching all of those things.

That's the part that bothers me the most.

There’s a difference between saying, "This story reminds me of this biblical truth," and saying, "This is what this passage means," when the passage itself doesn't actually say it.

If John 2 doesn't say the water represents our attempts to purify ourselves, don't tell people that's what the water represents.

If John 2 doesn't tell us what the servants were thinking, don't make up their thoughts and then use those thoughts to build your point.

If John 2 doesn't say Mary was approaching Jesus transactionally or had the wrong heart posture, don't present that as though John is telling us that's what was happening.

And if you're going to tell people that "faith starts when logic ends," I'd be really careful with that.

Because trusting God doesn't mean abandoning reason.

What's ironic is that Johnny keeps telling people to trust the Word of God instead of their own thoughts and feelings.

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 3 days ago
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Torah

How do Torah followers actually follow over 600 commands and laws in the first five books of the Bible? I've spoken to people about it, but they only seem to follow dietary laws, Shabbat, and holy days, and exclude pagan days. To me, it seems they are only doing a small part of it and claiming to follow the entirety of it. Why is that? The Bible states if you break one commandment, you break them all. There's no possibility to uphold all 600-plus. If you believe it's not all applicable to us, what's the determining factor that decides you don't have to follow it? What about animal sacrifices? Does one pick and choose what they want to follow and tell people if they don't, they are lawbreakers and will go to hell? If you don't follow all of them, why describe yourself as following the entirety of Torah? If breaking even one commandment makes someone guilty, how does selectively obeying some commandments make someone different from the people you're calling lawbreakers?

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 4 days ago
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Matthew 5

Why would a Christian think Judaism within the Old Testament laws is still in effect, not the moral code, but things like ceremonial or purity laws? An example would be tattoos.

Leviticus 19:28, which states: "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."

Doesn't jesus say Matthew 5:17-20
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Christ Came to Fulfill the Law

^(17) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. ^(18) For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. ^(19) Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ^(20) For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

He also said not one jot nor one tittle shall pass away aren't these contradictions or he he specially speaking of part of the law I described and not the moral code?

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 6 days ago

Egyptians

There's a line of scripture and shows why God did this to pharaoh and his city. It says God did all these things and rose up Pharoh to show his glory he brought pharaoh down and destroyed his nation. My question is why God would need to do it to bring himself glory. I don't understand that concept. God gets Glory for this act he did, but why did he have to do it and get glory. Why did he have to show the world? I have a few questions too.

> Romand 9 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”

If God is glorious, why does He need to show His glory to the Egyptians and jews and the world?

Does God get glory because He needs it, or because people need to know who He is?

What does “glory” actually mean when the Bible says God glorifies Himself? I'm not sure what to bring himself Glory even means.

If God doesn't need anything from humans, why does He care whether we recognize His greatness?

How come the destruction of Egypt fits with the idea that God is loving and merciful?

Could God have freed Israel without bringing such devastating judgments on Egypt?

Why would God choose judgment and destruction and the death of many rather than mercy? Doesn't' Jesus say he desires mercy

What does this story teach us about God's justice versus God's mercy?

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 7 days ago
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Reprobate doctrine

Where does the Bible teach the doctrine of being reprobate? Jesus desires all to be saved, so what scripture says a person can become reprobate and it’s impossible for them to be saved? Am I describing this correctly? I’m not thinking of any specific passage, but I’ve heard some say certain people cannot be saved, as if they’ve crossed a line—whether it’s God giving up on them or because they’re homosexual, so they can never be saved. In Romans 1, where does it say they cannot be saved? It says God gave them over to sin, but isn’t that whole chapter about the state of humanity and how God wants everyone to be saved, not just a particular group being excluded?

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 9 days ago

Reprobate doctrine

Where does the bible teach reprobate doctrine? Jesus wants all to be saved what scripture states you can become a reprobate and it's impossible to be saved? Am I describing it correctly?

I am not thinking of any passage in particular just that I've heard some say some cannot be saved like they have gone across a line weather its god giving up on that person to be saved or that they're homosexual so they cannot ever be saved.

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 9 days ago

reprobate doctrine

Where does the bible teach reprobate doctrine? Jesus wants all to be saved what scripture states you can become a reprobate and it's impossible to be saved? Am I describing it correctly?

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 9 days ago

Discussion of scriptures

Sometimes I’ll have a discussion about Scripture, and what surprises me most isn’t that we disagree it’s how quickly some Christians make the discussion personal which just makes me wanna walk away

If we don't agree on scripture, that's fine, but to make it personal, like saying "you're not saved, that's why you don't understand" or questioning your character, is not.

We can disagree about doctrine. We can challenge each other’s interpretation. We can search the Scriptures and even come to different conclusions.

But there is a difference between defending what you believe Scripture teaches and belittling the person who disagrees with you.

Why is it Sometimes people will say, “I’m only correcting you in love,” but correction in love doesn't mean, “You’re wrong, I’m right, and you clearly don’t understand Scripture.”

There is a difference between correcting someone with humility and using “correction” as a way to belittle them.

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 11 days ago

Soteriology

Soteriology What is irresistible grace and how is it compatible with the Bible? From what I know:

Are you forced against your will?

Irresistible grace is a Christian theological doctrine, an effectual calling, and a core tenet of Calvinism. It teaches that God's saving grace is applied to the elect and successfully overcomes their natural resistance to turn them to faith.

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 15 days ago

Soteriology

What is irresistible grace and how is it compatible with the Bible? From what I know:

Are you forced against your will?

Irresistible grace is a Christian theological doctrine, an effectual calling, and a core tenet of Calvinism. It teaches that God's saving grace is applied to the elect and successfully overcomes their natural resistance to turn them to faith.

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 15 days ago

Is freewill biblical true regarding soteriology?

Free will isn't understood the same way across all Christian denominations. Many people speak as if Christianity universally teaches that every person has the exact same ability to choose God, but Scripture presents a more nuanced picture.

The Bible says faith itself is a gift from God:

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." — Ephesians 2:8–9

Paul also teaches that God gives different measures of faith to different people:

"For I say... not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has assigned to each." — Romans 12:3

Faith is not presented as something we all naturally produce equally. God is the One who gives it.

Jesus also said:

"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him." — John 6:44

And again:

"No one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father." — John 6:65

Scripture also says:

"The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message." — Acts 16:14

And:

"God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth." — 2 Timothy 2:25

So we see a consistent pattern: God gives grace. God gives faith. God assigns different measures of faith. God draws. God grants repentance. God opens hearts. Salvation begins with Him, not with us.

My personal belief is that after God has drawn you, granted you faith, and revealed Christ to you, you still have the choice to either receive Jesus as the Christ or reject Him.

From what I've seen, many forms of universalism take a different approach. They hold that God's grace will ultimately bring every person to reconciliation with Him. In that sense, it can resemble the idea of irresistible grace in Calvinism, except instead of God's saving grace being effectual only for the elect, it ultimately becomes effectual for everyone. Not every universalist explains it exactly this way, but that is how I understand many universalist arguments. God wooing you. The elect can't reject God or say no

The point is that Christianity has never held one unanimous view of free will. But what Scripture consistently emphasizes is that salvation is first and foremost the work of God's grace—not something we can boast about or accomplish on our own.

"Salvation belongs to the Lord." — Jonah 2:9

can we choose or force ourselves to believe something?

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 15 days ago

Universalism

Why is Christian universalism so often shunned, to the point that many people treat you like you're not even a Christian?

You don't have to agree with universalism, but let's stop pretending it's some brand-new invention. Christians have wrestled with this question for nearly 2,000 years.

Universalists point to passages like Romans 5:18, 1 Corinthians 15:22–28, Colossians 1:20, Philippians 2:10–11, 1 Timothy 2:3–6, Titus 2:11, John 12:32, Lamentations 3:31–33, and Acts 3:21 as evidence that God's ultimate purpose is the reconciliation of all people. Others interpret these texts differently, and that's a legitimate theological debate.

Historically, influential Christian figures such as Gregory of Nyssa, Isaac the Syrian, and (more controversially) Origen are often associated with universal reconciliation. While universalism was never the unanimous belief of the early Church, it has been a real and historic stream of Christian thought—not something invented in modern times.

You can reject universalism based on your reading of Scripture. But saying someone is automatically "not a Christian" simply because they believe Christ will ultimately reconcile all people overlooks both the biblical arguments they appeal to and the history of Christian theology.

We should be able to disagree on difficult doctrines without denying one another's faith. If salvation is by Christ, then our first response should be to discuss the Scriptures—not dismiss each other.

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 16 days ago

Why do you believe Christian universalism is true?

I'm not a universalist, but I'm genuinely interested in understanding why some Christians believe it is the most faithful reading of Scripture.

I've been reading passages that are commonly discussed in these conversations, and I'd like to hear directly from those who hold this view.

A few questions:

  • What Scriptures most convinced you that universalism is true?
  • How do you understand passages about judgment, Gehenna, and the lake of fire?
  • What do you believe God's judgment ultimately accomplishes?
  • How do you interpret words like aionios in the New Testament?
  • If you weren't always a universalist, what changed your mind?
  • What's the point of being saved now if you'll be saved later?
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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 17 days ago
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1 John 4:2–3.

II've been thinking about an argument I've seen regarding 1 John 4:2–3.

From what I understand, the historical issue John was addressing was people who denied that Jesus who is the Christ truly came in the flesh—that He had a real human body and genuine humanity. This is commonly connected with beliefs later associated with Docetism and similar teachings, where some claimed Jesus only appeared to be human or that the divine Christ merely came upon the man Jesus temporarily.

Some argue, however, that denying Jesus is God incarnate is effectively the same as denying that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, because they believe those two ideas cannot be separated. Their reasoning is that the phrase "has come in the flesh" assumes a preexistent person, and when that is read alongside John 1:1–14, the one who came in the flesh is identified as God.

My question is this: Doesn't that go beyond the explicit wording of 1 John 4:2–3?

The passage explicitly says that the confession is that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. It doesn't explicitly say, "Whoever denies that Jesus is God incarnate has the spirit of the antichrist." Isn't that conclusion reached by combining 1 John 4 with John 1 and other passages, rather than from the wording of 1 John 4 itself?

I'm not asking whether the doctrine of the incarnation is true or false. I'm asking whether it's accurate to say that 1 John 4:2–3 itself is specifically addressing denial of Jesus as God incarnate, or whether its immediate concern is the denial that the Messiah truly came in the flesh, with the identification of that Messiah as God being a theological conclusion drawn from the broader witness of Scripture.

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u/Sea_Reflection7307 — 17 days ago