[Spoiler] question on Sirres Adienthem and first ranked play

I just got introduced to Sirres Adienthem when she took the book of reversal

Can she actually fight against the first ranked player

Because both of them seems to be on a similar level for me.At least

She was kind of aura farming, wiping out so many opponents also dose assassins and mobius workers

I don't know if this is just recency bias but i know the first rink player.Even against the the united force of server two

And bro holding back to a degree and was nerfed

Also how mc describes Sirres Adienthem she seems to be on the level above seven star

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u/SwannEntities — 5 days ago
▲ 4 r/LOTMpowerscaling+1 crossposts

Lotm white tower vs Cosmic Alliance

The white tower from lord of the mysters

Vs

The cosmic alliance from star rail

1 in the first scenario, the white tower would just be a sequence zero

In this scenario, he gets ten years of prep time and the verse equalization will be applied, so either side would have divinity or imaginary energy

simple explanation 1you could treat the white tower as an emanator level existence in terms of his potency of attacks with the capacity to create based on principles and knowledge. both sides will have divinity, and the star rail alliance would have the divinity of a king of angels And you could treat the white tower as an emanator level existence in terms of his potency of attacks with the capacity to create based on principles and knowledge We would acquaint great old ones and aeons

Some key traits of the white tower is, he could create spells using principles

Like the physical laws or spells like the freezing ray being made from the principle of ice, slowing down atoms or element order controlling electrons

His destructive capacity is for my planet to solar system it could be much higher with prep time and preset spells and magic circles

Creation: A partial authority over Creation, originating from the Symbolisms of Maker and The Omnipotent and Omniscient.

The Omniscient White Tower can naturally Create anything, but it cannot escape the symbolisms and authorities that do not belong to "Them".

Which dish basically means he can't create stuff like the angels who have authority which to best explain it using this analogy, is admin Permission's conceptually he can create anything even conceptual.But he can't give the admin permissions that do not belong to him

Omniscience: The White Tower has Omniscience over all things, which is unaffected by the Spirit World. At this level, the scope of "Their" Omniscience is Knowledge.[38]

As Omniscience implies Omnipotence, "They" can Imitate any ability, achieving the original's power, or even optimize and surpass it; however, this does not include authorities and symbols.

Well this isn't literal omniscience as he doesn't know everything, but think it as he knows what's going to happen to a degree of everything but they're still blind spots like he can know a great calamity is coming, but not know the calamity

Also, he could replicate all of your abilities to perfection If your abilities doesn't have the quality of admin permissions if they're just either conceptual or regular abilities, they could be invitated which is reverse engineering

He also has authorities on learning analyzing and his divine kingdom could cover an entire star at maxim and a true god inside their divine kingdom is heavily buffed and the opponents must follow the rules

The second scenario

He is a god of all 5 pathways of the god almighty pathways

He is like the mini version of the god almighty just lacking the chaos sea

If the equalization up above is a little confusing You could also just use this THE WHITE TOWER IS NO LONGER CONSTRAINED BY THE RULES OF THE LORD OF THE MYSTERIES WORLD. AND COULD DISPLAY MORE POWER

OR

JUST SCALE BY USING DESTRUCTIVE CAPACITY

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u/SwannEntities — 5 days ago

[Spoiler]Could the first rank player actually defeat mobius

Right now, i'm on the chapter where the first ranked player is facing off

The entire military power of server two which could have obliterated him If they were organized, I would say, in the beginning, but even later organizing, he put up a fight and so far it seems he defeated all of them

Could he actually have defeated mobius headquarters

If he arrived there

Also, could him and the other 4 seventh's stars As a party defeat Niflheim

Also could Niflheim perform, as well as he did against most of server two If they were placed in his situation

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u/SwannEntities — 6 days ago

[V8] explaining the potential of the reader pathway

1 i'm starting at seq 6

A few things entered my mind

For the potential of this pathway,

like[ , there is no limit to the number of Spells]

This basically implies once you imitate an ability, you could store it and imitate way more and imitating doesn't have to be powers from beyonders

Or act exactly like the power they copied since they are reverse engineering it

The way you could utilize imitated abilities could be different like the reboot of the wheel of fortune pathway could be imitated using time instead of fate although on this, you would probably need an angel or higher to accomplish the same principle could be used on lower sequences

Seq 5 is when it starts really getting good

At this level, you're basically a sorcerer, or even better than a sorcerer, from throne of magical arcana now you are able to use magic circles and magic circuits this basically means you could replace the need for technology with magic instead like if you're investigating, you could create glasses with zoom or tracking or other feature and i would call this the best preparation pathway, because at this level at least if you have tons of magic circles in your area and just cover the area with detection attack and amplification circles you are practically unstoppable

Like at this level, you could even create genuine artificial intelligence or nuclear bombs actually of course this is depending on you actually being smart enough but the potential is outrageous you could also create spells like

Makes the caster's image appear blurry, giving attackers disadvantage

Short-range teleportation which is blank equivalent

Creates a portal for instant transportation this is a dimensional portal

Creates a barrier that blocks living creatures

It could also use random teleportation, which would teleport them in an unpredictable chaotic way

You could also have magic circles absorbing the spirituality from the spirit world or the material world or find a way to gather divinity or life force or multiple of these and create a mass scale spell or empower yourself

Or cast hundreds of small spells using this same method

Also, sorcerers are notoriously hard to kill in throne of magical arcana

Due to their ability to escape and resurrection

If you are incredibly well versed in quantum mechanics you could also have the ability to create the uncertainty which could have the possibility of bypassing barriers or directly the target although this is weaker against stronger, opponents

Some spells I had in mind

Mechanic mind to resist charm or other type of mind related spells.You could use on yourself to resist charm

Anti fire basically using the same principle of elemental order slowing down the molecular movement so slowing down the fire

A magic circle to drain life force from a given area you would need more preparation to complete this

Thinking about reader could accomplish everything The paragon could accomplish in terms of technology

SOME SPELLS, I JUST REALIZED THEY COULD DO BECAUSE THEY COULD CAST EVANS FREEZING RAY, WHICH IS A SEVENTH CIRCLE MAGIC

Reverse Gravity Flips the gravity in an area

Mass Cure Wounds Heals multiple allies 5th Circle High-level Clerics Mass Invisibility Makes multiple targets invisible 7th Circle High-level Illusionists Mass Suggestion Influences a large number of people to follow a command Lightning Storm Summons a devastating storm of lightning bolts

Greater Restoration Removes severe debuffs, curses, or status effects Forcecage Traps the target in invisible force walls, only escapable with specific spells

Finger of Death A necromantic spell causing instant death to the target. Etherealness Allows the user to move through solid objects

Dissociation Breaks down force fields, allowing for penetration through magical defenses

Disintegrate Reduces a target to dust Arcane Sword Summons a spectral sword that attacks foes And more

Professor's Oscillation Hand This spell uses oscillating force to destabilize barriers and shields. It’s designed to amplify physical attacks by creating vibrations that can disrupt magical defenses​.like a simple example will be sound waves and using it as tracking

Seq 4 Now at this level, they could actually use astral world concepts From the examples given from the wiki i have some ideas how this could be used and of course some other spells from throne of magical arcana, I believe they should be able to use 1 using the concept of bleeding, they could probably make their attacks deal continuous bleeding damage and using another spell using the concept of repair, they could probably repair themselves or cancel out repair, which could be considered healing

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u/SwannEntities — 9 days ago

What is earth exactly

What is earth Like they call it a higher dimension.And they use it for interference power

But like, what is it actually in?The novel later on Is it another parallel world, or somewhere else

Also, does earth have secret gods like mobius

Does the main character ever go back to earth

Also does the masters find out that mobius is actually a real world

I heard somewhere anything goes into the world of mobius. Is that true?

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u/SwannEntities — 12 days ago
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The lord of the mysteries versus hsr only dc

In this matchup, we are only going to look at the destructive capacity

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1 the low level destructive capacity for the lord of the mysteries is galaxy level to multi galaxy level as great old ones could shortly destroy galaxys

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2 universe level destructive capacity as they were able to shake the entire universe or reality during the apocalypse

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3 multiversal or higher due to the fact that they could directly and influence and shake higher dimensions being special dimensions it means there is already infinite possible timelines, being affected and so on

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We could either do verse equalization, or without it

The matchup would be like a war scenario where the factions in hsr are trying to invade earth well, the other great old ones are no longer here.Only remaining one is the lord of the mysteries protecting the planet

Could the lord of the mysteries protect earth?Either the planet or the civilization from the invading forces of hsr

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Let's say there is no aeons in the first round And there is in the second round

u/SwannEntities — 15 days ago

Could great love immortal venerable kill the key of light from Lord of the mysteries If he was a mortal

Okay, you may be wondering what I mean.I'm basically saying the key of light lost his memories and only has his passives and is physically a mortal

Basically, he is a mortal, who was raised mortal only having the passives of being the key of light

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One of his passives is absolute good Fortune and i think drawing calamity

Like here's some of the list of abilities he should have in this state

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Fate of the Original Creator

This basically means their fate is chaotic, and you can't fix or control his fate

He is also the incarnation of fate.So heavenly will be on his side.I believe

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As long as the Key of Light

existed and retained a measure of consciousness without succumbing to madness, "They" would naturally bring Good Fortune

to "Themselves" and "Their" companions,[7]

and would inevitably have absolute Good Fortune

at critical moments.[8]

• When Earth's four Quasi Great Old Ones were under the influences of the Inextinguishable Ravings, through Good Fortune, the Celestial Master and the Celestial Thearch began to unleash "Their" powers wildly and irrationally upon the outside world.

◦ This prevented the High-Dimensional Overseer and Inextinguishable Ravings from seizing the opportunity or achieving "Their" objectives.[7]

• When the Golden Buddha was in the indiscriminate explosion of Desires triggered by the Pitch-Black Fiend, Fortune was on "His" side as the Desire occupying "His" thoughts was primarily one of "universal salvation and relief from suffering".

◦ As a result, the Golden Buddha had only froze momentarily before becoming even more fervent in "His" participation in the battle.

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This should be achievable.If you are trying to attack him to do his good fortune,

Even if he is doing it passively just due to his good fortune

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• Due to the Die of Probability's pip being 1, Darkwill had almost died in his Dream as his head head swelled with a sharp pain and he struggled to breathe.[42]

◦ Soon after, if Klein hadn't properly controlled his strength as the door slammed into Darkwill's head, his skull would have probably cracked open.

◦ It had also made it so that even though Darkwill explained his situation and the Die of Probability with lot's of logic, Klein would still not believe him.

▪ This was due to the fact that Darkwill's earlier explanation happened to match certain theories of his, making him instinctively believe that weak lie over the recent explanation as being the true reason behind his predicament.

• With the Die of Probability's pip at 2, the sky suddenly turned dark as the wind howled with increasing strength and the air's humidity clearly climbed.[43]

◦ As Darkwill looked out the window to check on the exact situation within the ship a silver bolt of Lightning struck him before Klein could even react

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u/SwannEntities — 18 days ago

Lotm earth vs octagram from TenSura

Could octagram from slime invade, and take over the earth in lord of the mysteries

Let's say the first scenario is the outer gods suddenly vanish at the very last minute, before the apocalypse started and now the battle is between the octagram and earth

Let's assume each of these scenarios could either play out with verse Equalization or without it

The second scenario is, earth has ten years to prepare or the same amount of time They had to prepare for the apocalypse in the fifth apocalypse

You could assume this is either happening in a neutral environment where reality doesn't dissipate mysticism or within the main lord of the mysteries universe, where everything, including magicals, are dissipated as it is ultimately mysticism being under the same restructuring

You could also play this flight with verse equalization or stats being equalized or not

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u/SwannEntities — 18 days ago

[Lotm general] The absurdity of the higher dimensional overseer

I feel like we are ignoring the fact that they are legit able to ascend into higher dimensions

So they have time travel or more accurately, they could look at the past.Since time travel is forbidden but they would still have the ability to view you in totality from your present to your past and future and directly attack your interior organs and from what i've been listening to and looking through the fifth dimension seems to be where you could look through timelines of possible events which is the fifth dimension

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Which contains all possible possibilities

So they could view you from every possible outcome, they could view it in totality

Now i understand why seq 1 of their pathway gained such an ability and i just found out they could just go to other timelines

Escaping to another universe basically

Actually, wouldn't this mean the multiverse is confirmed in lord of the mysteries due to dimensionality

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Also if a person exists in the fifth dimension, they could basically view all possible outcomes that could have happened after the big bang so it's crazy to think about

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Especially at the sixth dimension, where all possible outcomes exist and where all possible conceivable physical laws could exist

Like light being a liquid or the speed of light being faster or slower or the constant of the universe being greater or lesser

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As we go further into dimensionality, and everything let's talk about the painting ability.They have an interesting thing I thought of is the painting kind of resembles the zero or second dimension in the three the three body problem

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You could create higher dimensional objects as weapons that basically could attack you from all parallel sides, or something is actually insane if you think about it

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https://youtu.be/y6gN_eqOf2g?is=9NmmQogLbD4B6UZ8

https://youtu.be/rVd5VH9SY1A?is=j8SsTk8qhaAEv9ps

u/SwannEntities — 19 days ago

Everything is a part of oc before the mother tree of desire

Q: Author, was the Primordial Chaos born through splitting to give birth to the Mother Goddess? After all, splitting is also a form of reproduction.

Is the birth of the Mother Tree of Desire symbolic of the emergence of free will and the distinction between self and others? If so, before the Mother Tree of Desire was born, was the Mother Goddess essentially still part of the Primordial Chaos as a single entity? Did the Mother Goddess have life when she was born? But since the Mother Tree of Desire had not yet appeared, she was still essentially part of the Primordial Chaos. After the Mother Tree of Desire appeared, were the Mother Goddess and the life that appeared with the Mother Goddess's birth no longer considered part of the Primordial Chaos as a single entity?

A: Yes.

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u/SwannEntities — 20 days ago

Could immortals survive tribulations in the real world

I've been thinking what if immortals were transported into our world and their tribulations were cosmic events or major events in our world

Like so I came up few of them

1 rank 6 tribulation Survive the surrounding area being turned into antimatter it will within five kilometers, but only the area of five or one meter would be turned into antimatter and survive the annihilation of that matter Oh, yeah, you are the center of the event but do not fear since if it's not a bomb, it's gonna be more spread out. And they might survive or ten pounds of a neutron star

2 rank 7 tribulation moonfall like it sounds the moon falls on earth they have to survive the planetary level, destruction that will be inflected or they might have a tribulation of being in the same solar system as a magnetar star similar distance to earth and he just has to escape

3 rank 8 now he has to survive a pulsar beam or if he is lucky only being the deadly range, but without being hit directly

4 Rank 9 they have to survive being in between the collision of two neutron stars and escape the core of the new larger neutron star this could vary from a pulsar to a magnetar or survive a massive three hundred solar masses Supernova, they don't need to survive the black hole that comes after the

5 rank 10 they have to survive a quasar a direct five flight years away quasar which the quasar energy burst already arrived at this point for the tribulation, this could vary from the one we have in the milky way to phoenix a quasar just depends on the good or bad luck of the participant of the tribulation

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u/SwannEntities — 25 days ago

[Lotm general] Fool vs Paragon the battle of the prep time

The duration of the prep time would be one year in the first scenario, and ten years in the second

For me, I would go with paragon and it's not even a question for the second best pathway and technology it's crazy work

Like nano machines that could eat planets could be made and genuine artificial intelligence and fusion based weapons and weapons made to use antimatter annihilation which enough of those could destroy the sun or earth And you don't even need that many for real so it's more possible you could make the energy usage, much more efficient and have like a sword weapon or other type of weapon, like the gun with the energy of three million or eighty million megatons, a shot

Ohh, yeah, in the first round, they are both arc Angels

The second round, they start off as god's

And the final round, you're a triple pathway god, and you could choose the extra two pathways

I would personally go with the white tower and tyrant pathways

u/SwannEntities — 1 month ago

[Lotm general] tyrant,Paragon,sun, condenser are actually broken if they used it right might even be able to harm goo

Okay, I have been going back into physics and first thing I started to look at was antimatter an idea came to my mind to my knowledge basically mount everest worth of antimatter if it exploded in core of the planet could destroy earth including the binding energy If it annihilated completely

I might be wrong on that, but i'm pretty sure that's right and we know the sun could produce a star Why not an antimatter star for him, it might be a little troublesome cause with the slightest touch annihilates Antimatter but if you could produce at least the star, the size of our sun and have it annihilate completely it could destroy the entire solar system i'm pretty sure the entire binding energy

Now the true pathways that could probably harm a great old one this might have been glazed, but hear me out even if they can't, they are still probably the strongest in destructive force besides obviously red priest

Antimatter the size of a star maybe even a few dozen stellar units larger than ours

the condenser could become a black hole which at least needs ten to twenty is around the stellar units, you need to become a black hole

Now imagine he uses his authority over fundamental forces and produces 10 or 8 unit star if he could get it to completely annihilate definitely above solar system and nebula maybe

The tyrant pathway is able to do this but even better since they aren't able to directly convert matter to energy they don't need to use the antimatter example they could directly force a massive star into turning into pure energy, a hundred percent Like antimatter does with this, he would be actually able to destabilize a small galaxy if he does it to like the current known largest stars and he should be able to do this multiple times or even planetary Scale of conversion at this level would be insane firepower

Now Paragon he has the greatest potential since he could use technology to hold and create pocket dimensions to store the antimatter

Getting enough over time, probably a hundred or a century is needed to enough to rival a hundred plus stellar units if he reaches a couple hundred thousand that could be enough to destroy a small galaxy, i'm pretty sure

Note, I'm not a scientist. So if any of you actually know this stuff in depth, could these actually be possible?Or am I just making up stuff

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u/SwannEntities — 1 month ago

An average rank 6 immortal versus rank 5 but he is the highest possible rank 5

Okay this gu immortal doesn't have immortal gu and is rather poor but not so poor to be broke around the average level

Let's say the first round is a healer gu Immortal second it's a regular combat gu immortal

The battle location will be a place most favorable to the mortal

Okay let's start with the rank 5

He would have the northern ice physique and forgot the character's name.But a girl who was a guy then revealed to be a girl with the strength physique and let just say he has the body of renzu the father of humanity so he basically has all heaven defined physics and he has at least like five years before he explodes Even if he goes all out

His cultivation path is blood time and space paths idk kinda forgot all of the names of the gu so

You guys could come up with the gu he has

When he fights the immortal

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u/SwannEntities — 1 month ago

[Lotm general] how is he able to fight infinite goo

I have been thinking

How is the god almighty able to fight infinite non countering great old ones

We know the lord of the mysteries

Can do it because of his near omnipresence being able to fight multiple great old ones at the same time but how

Is the god almighty able to fight so many?When not countered

Also, those people who said it was recon or something show me when cf directly states, when noncountered, it's only a few or two because otherwise that is head cannon

I have two ideas of how it might be done

1 virtual personas and the omnipresence of light he has and the omnipotence symbolism's ability to lower the omnipotence of others

2 because of his lord of the asteral world symbolism he could actually utilize symbolisms like, bringing them into reality

And having devastating effects

Like for example to show a visual view of what i'm saying set say a character could control clouds which in this case is the god almighty but doesn't have the ability to control water which in this case is another symbolism, he does not possess but he could utilize water to a degree by turning a large cloud into water having devastating effects on the natural environment

In simple terms, the god almighty could use his own asteral world symbolism to manifest, other symbolisms, having limited control or influence on them when they are manifested But these could be used as devastating area attacks If he manifests destruction, symbolisms on non destruction, great old ones

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T_9b2cV1cnGe5PZZ0EnaaVr-wyJPdo0zaC88v8isdF4/edit?usp=drivesdk

Look at question ten

u/SwannEntities — 1 month ago

Council of the west supported by the demon of knowledge from lord of the mystery vs current anime rimuru/ allies

1 the first scenario would be the council of the west supported by boons and characteristics But not direct intervention, from the great old one but indirect support either equipment or knowledge or blessings

We are equating cosmology otherwise lord of the mystery stamps or vice versa or whatever

1 the demon of knowledge has type two information manipulation as his main thing

As all information is discovered, not made and everything is already existed

2 he also embodies civilization and technology he can make starships and other stuff

3 he can manipulate essence and information and imbued power onto it

Meaning in this case he will be able to control information particles and the nature of the world

Like Principles

• Refers to inherent patterns or natural laws—the underlying order of reality that exists independently of authority. It is closer to universal principles or the fundamental workings of the world.

In other contexts this term can also denote simpler patterns or regularity, not a strict law, but rather an observable consistency or recurring behavior over time such as everyday routines or behavioral patterns

In this scenario the council of the west would be fighting tempest by itself tempest wouldn't be allowed to have allies like other nations or other demon lord

And the timeline is the anime currently

The second scenario

Is same as the first, but only difference is, allies are now allowed

The final scenario is the great old one now is able to directly intervene in this 3 scenario

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u/SwannEntities — 2 months ago

Law of similarity in lord of the mysteries

Teacher Cuttlefish, I'm back again. Please answer.

① What are the specific application details and principles of the Law of Similarity in the Lord of Mysteries world? (If Teacher Cuttlefish could give a separate explanation for this, that would be great, because the second book involves it a lot, but it feels quite vaguely defined.)

② Can there exist minor pathways that do not meet all the requirements of 9-0?

A: You can look up The Golden Bough.

(Reborn/N: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Golden\_Bough)

From what i've gathered, it seems quite broad and interesting

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u/SwannEntities — 2 months ago