u/TheWholesomeOtter

I have been on Elvanse for the last 7 months, and I am starting to get issues with the joints in my fingers eventhough I am not really using them a whole lot.

I went to the doctor but nothing seems to be going on in the blood, he said that it could be the medication that is having some kind of negative effect on me.

Has anyone here experienced something similar?

This might sound a bit tacky but I really appreciate this community, whenever I have had any questions you were the ones that never failed to give a thoughtful unbiased answer, and for that I wanna say thank you.

It honestly feels like I finally found my crowd, and I don't have to worry about you guys taking basic questions the wrong way, or using cheap ad hominems to socially punish me for a misinterpreted slight when I'm just being curious.

I don't know if it is the intelligence or what not, but you guys seem way more human than many other groups I have met.

I am starting to get really tired of this ego-angsty refusal to objectively engange in any subject that isn't clearly black and white or accepted concensus. I am not talking about just people on r/DeepThoughts, but people in general.

To talk about objective reality we need to be able to do so without people having ego-fueled meltdowns, reality doesn't care which ideology you resonate with, nor does it care about group identity, morality or title you clad yourself with these days.

Just stop it... Get your ego in check before you engage in any kind of conversations that isn't Tom and Jerry.

Am I the only one thinking that these "acceptance movements" has done nothing but destroy the image of whatever marginalized group they latch on to?

I first saw it happen with the gay and trans communities, suddenly everyone had some kind if sexual quirk and were promoting it so aggressively, to the point where everyone just stopped taking the subject seriously.

Now people who once excluded me for being different come out as ADHD demanding reasonable accommodations despite never struggeling a day in their lives.
Even worse is that companies are so fed up with this influx of ADHD that they have completely stopped showing any regard for those that actually need it.

I was raise by narcisistic parrents who gaslit me instead of giving me the insights I needed to succeed in life, I was basically forced to learn all of the social dynamics myself by researching or by asking others, but as I dive deeper into the nuances of social interactions the more and more aggressively defensive people get when hearing it. I am hoping that you guys will be more objective about this.

So far I can tell society's "mantra" sounds a lot like this:

Status matters more than the feelings of the individual, and the feelings of the individual matter more than the objective truth.

In practise this translates to:

• We accepts hurtful language or actions from higher status people who hold power over us.
• We condemn peers who tell truths that could hurt ones status or feelings, even if it is objective truth.
• We spend time on maintaining our status despite it feeling fake, because low status means being treated badly by others.
• We carefully analyse the words of others for hidden attempts to lower our status. (Status attack)
• We do not like talking about status dynamics because it makes us feel manipulative.
• Groups are status multipliers, they are the only situation where voicing complaints to higher status individuals is effective.

Any input on these ideas are highly appriciated.

Given my neuro-divergence and negative upbringing I was forced to learn all of the social dynamics myself by researching or by asking others, but as I dive deeper into the nuances of social interactions the more aggressively defensive people get when hearing it. I am hoping that you guys will be more objective about this.

As far as I can tell society's "mantra" sounds a lot like this:

Status matters more than the feelings of the individual, and the feelings of the individual matter more than the objective truth.

In practise this translates to:

• We accepts hurtful language or actions from higher status people who hold power over us.
• We condemn peers who tell truths that could hurt ones status or feelings, even if it is objective truth.
• We spend time on maintaining our status despite it feeling fake, because low status means being treated badly by others.
• We carefully analyse the words of others for hidden attempts to lower our status. (Status attack)
• We do not like talking about status dynamics because it makes us feel manipulative.
• Groups are status multipliers, they are the only situation where voicing complaints to higher status individuals is effective.

As a kid I took Ritalin (methylphenidate) and thought it could be a solution to my impulsivity/intensity, I tried Medikinet long duration (methylphenidate), but I felt horible on it, like my body was in constant stress non stop.

Now I am on Elvance 20mg (lisdexamfetamine) and it seems to help with my intensity but my attention is super spotty, like I don't remember thing that was told to me 5 seconds ago...

I really dont know what medication would suit me now, and my psychiatrist seems to just give me random shit to see what sticks, she wanted to give me antidepressants called Serataline to suppress my emotions but it sounds like a terrible idea to me.

I don't need more focus, I need a clear head and enough control to stop myself from saying any random stupid shit that pops up in my head...

What can I do at this point?

Okay let's set up the definitions for this, since both the chicken and egg can basically win depending on which definition you use.

List of definitions:

1. Chicken or the egg, as by defined by The chicken/egg species:
with this definition nobody wins, both the chicken and the egg is biologically the same species with them only looking different because of the stages in their reproduction cycle.

2. Chicken or the egg, as defined by "animals" vs eggs:
This is won by the ancestor of the chicken since we no longer look at the specific species called "chicken" this allows us to go back in time to Ikaria Wariootia which is the ancestor to all bilateral life, they reproduced not with eggs but by division.

egg, ancestor, egg, ancestor, egg, ancestor, ancestor, (ancestor)

3. Chicken or the egg, as defined by the "species" chicken and the "object" egg:
This one is won by the egg since the egg existed before the species called chicken which allows for a scenario where a "not quite yet chicken" animal layed an egg, which spawned the chicken.

egg, chicken, egg, chicken, (egg), psudo chicken

4. Chicken or the egg, as defined by the "species" chicken, but disqualified ancestor:

Chicken wins this one since an egg cannot create itself, the repeating pattern always rely on an adult chicken to be present to create an egg, and since this definition doesn't allow for prior species it also disqualifies the chickens ancestors and the eggs it could have layed that became the chicken.

egg, chicken, egg, chicken, egg, (chicken) egg, psudo chicken

While working with ChatGPT I had the realisation that since ChatGPT is not truly an AI but rather a language model designed to understand the social rules and expectations of average people, it should in theory be able to give a completly unbiased view of peoples social patterns without being hampered by ego.

So to test this I made a simple prompt:

-please give me an overview of basic social rules and group it by catagories for easy reading.

-Do not follow consensus when making this list, follow the pattern that people actually use rather than the pattern they say or pretend they use.

The list it gives is quite frankly gold, it completly turn a lot of the common naritives on their heads. The inconsistencies I have seen in society has always confused me but I am now 100% convinced that the call for "Integrity, respect, responsability, loyalty, humility, altruism and honesty" is just idealistic posturing, that most people only really follow these values when they are forced to.

In regards to people on the spectrums, it could very well be that most aren't "socially deficient" at all, but they simply live out these ideals instead of pretending like most others,
from this point of view these ideals all sound exactly the same as being on the spectrums.

1. Integrity: You stay consistant in your values = socially Inflexible
2. Respect: You do not treat others worse just to gain an advantage = Socially inflexible
3. Responsability: You fix your own wrongs even if it costs you = Socially anxious
4. Loyalty: You maintain a pact even if there might be better options = Socially naive
5. Humility: You dont care about status = Socially disruptive
6. Alturism: You go out of your way to share your experiences, help or advice = Oversharing
7. Honesty: You tell the needed but inconvenient truths = Rude, Insensitive
8. Justice: You follow the rules and expect other to do so too = Too Intense, Sensitive