AI Companies Are Buying Antique Books, Ingesting Their Contents to Train Models, and Then Destroying Them at Incredible Scale, Even If Almost No Copies Remain
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AI Companies Are Buying Antique Books, Ingesting Their Contents to Train Models, and Then Destroying Them at Incredible Scale, Even If Almost No Copies Remain

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u/Vessel_soul — 21 days ago

The arab divorce boom - from stability to separation

Source https://youtu.be/5YuDFZvJWAA?si=NbejRq0bJa7u5V1M

To the arabs & NAWA i want hear your thoughts on this racially swift of marriage around north africa and west asia. What you think of kandari researchs, arugment and his questions regarding divorces? what solution would you guy present in order bring back long term marriage and family communicate support that doesnt neglect/reject group, race, gender opportunity and freedom?

I do agree him as today divorce are high in all nations but i think as kandaric said being way too traditionalism and way too non traditionalism is not good for the culture, family line, children, resistance, unity, etc. There need to be find other way to preserve marriage, because marriage is more than just love but a whole package that reflect who you are, your political belief, etc.

u/Vessel_soul — 1 month ago

Traces of the Prophets: Relics and Sacred Spaces in Early Islam. By Adam Bursi. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press, 2024. Pp. 280. $110 (cloth).

This is interesting take I find! this is review by Kambiz GhaneaBassiri, but what Kambiz stated in her review is quite fantasizing. Bursi work "Traces of the Prophets: Relics and Sacred Spaces in Early Islam" found that ealry muslim would had actually worshipped and even collected the dust. Contrary to the Hadiths explicitly forbid relic veneration as shirk.

" A noteworthy example occurs in Bursi's discussion of "finding and hiding holy bodies in the first Islamic century" in chapter 3. This chapter begins with a discussion of Muslims' supposed discovery of the embalmed body of the biblical prophet Daniel during their siege of al-Sus. This story, which is preserved in both Christian and Muslim sources, ends in the Christian Syriac sources with Muslims simply taking the body of the prophet as a spoil of war. Muslim sources, however, go further. They literalize Daniel's body through varying narratives of how Muslims, after taking possession of Daniel's embalmed body, took extreme measures to bury it out of view. Bursi argues convincingly that these narratives were not simply instances of early Muslim iconoclasm; rather, they were instances of "inverted" inventio (relic discovery). Access to the biblical "

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u/Vessel_soul — 2 months ago

A more grounded and diverse thoughts on how non muslim become muslim by Peter Adamson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViI5ZwC8cgM

the timestamp: 35:28-38:29

timestamp: 27:54-38:29(this part of discussion is about whether muslim should have complicated Philosophy like having 100 arugment for proving god or just belief of god because you born into religion household. It still ties to the post I made and to what Adamson said in 35:28-38:29)

This part, Peter Adamson talks about how being born into muslim family or any faith family means nothing, if there are no reasons and argument to justly and defend the religion you were born and deeply care, if you don't development argument & encounter arguments, finding evidences, etc to defend your faith against christian and jewish polemics, then it will lead to skepticism to leaving the faith.

This is what ealry/medival muslim and rest faith members saw and understood that having skepticism especially in an environment that is dominated by polemic from certain faith group clerics than yours can makes someone lose their faith, if not challenge & defended.

I highlight this part of video, is because Adamson brings a realistic view on conversion that many apologetic & polemic have a binary view on. Is that non-Muslim did not convert to islam just because the land was conquered by muslim rulers or by the tax(that polemics always bring regarding conversion). Instead, through intellectual discussion & debate that led religious individuals/groups to convert to different religions, because the religious scholars present strong arguments, encounter-arguments, and evidences against their opponent and leaving the people to be convinced by them, saying "huh, that muslim is actually making some pretty good points."

I know conversion is a complex topics and there are many factors why people converted to different religions, but lot of apologetic and polemics have this binary view on conversion that they either converted by forces or by sufis way, no middle ground or other factors that contribute the most than those two which are dominated views held by apologetic and polemic.

u/Vessel_soul — 3 months ago

Hi, I want the progressive muslim here to know I had previously made list of progressive muslim thinkers. I made a video for https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive_islam/comments/1j68xax/muslim_thinkers/ back then.

However, it was a video of faces of the thinkers, not a complete full list. I previously mentioned in my video from the link, I am currently(still am) making a whole text pdf of the muslim thinkers divided by their sect and movement(mainly). It's taking quite some time, it been 2 years(soon to be 3 years) in development, as i am still editing and adding new thinkers being introduce and discovers.

Sorry for anyone that were waiting for this, I am feeling disinterest in religion academia field and how boring field it is. But I do want to help this community and it goals, as I value progressive values and wants to better for the humanity & the world in general.

So wait, i will publish my list soon.

https://preview.redd.it/qzrg2pit7gzg1.png?width=1650&format=png&auto=webp&s=5fca7cadaf5a2558892c89cee666cd5daa811dfd

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u/Vessel_soul — 4 months ago