u/WraxiusV2

At E1S1 they are equally powerfull for diferent reasons, more or less but they are there.

(Disclaimer, pick the one that you like the most this is for people that like all 3 and have to choose 1 or dont know)

-Pick WAven if Elation has kicked your *ss and want the most powerful option for the long run, mid base power but the strongest end of the 3 while invested, recomended if you want to follow the meta or want to make aventurine the strongest at the cost of reducing Ashveil damage output, now outside of this team is deadweight (not including elation ofc),Hyacine best sustainer but lets see what pearl does for him.

-Pick Robin SP if you want the duo to shine the most, they are doing the most damage and both becomes the main dps in a way, she gives value for your entire account so even if they create a stronger team she can be in another, Like her song(important lol) and has a high base power and stays high with investment, at E0 she is a support at E1 onwards she hits like a truck also just by existing makes your team speed demons lol, Hyacine best sustainer.

-Pick Gilgamesh if you wanna invest in Blade specifically, this team is the one that benefits the most of his vertical investment,Probably the most fitting aesthetic wise,bad-mid base power huge peak at E1 but mid at best late (I would say bad late if he didnt peaked in E6), if you are looking for the cheapest cost and leave it there or go all in into blade he is your man, also his healer slot is unknown, Huo2 has anti synergy (even if she is the best here) because you trade more energy using skill for less actions (stacks) for the team, also has the chance to grow A LOT if they for some chance create a fate character either a support (Ashveil is good but he is the weakest link here) or a sustainer that buffs him like he did with saber.

Summary.

Aven is the safest and strongest pick,a 1 man army cheatcode for elation Mid early, highest end.

Robin flexible and good pick and at the worst case scenario she can go somewhere else, high early, high end.

Gilgamesh is the riskiest one he can be an Anaxa buffed a billion times indirectly or a Boothill forgoten by time even his BIS sustainer is unknown, at the end FATE has to decide, its a gamble, Bad-mid early, High peak at E1, Bad-mid end.

I hope i help you decide because a lot of people are somewhat confused and pls this is my opinion and be civil about it <3

Disclaimer - I count Gilgamesh 0 cost at E01S1, if you read this over his free LC and character period then unless you like him in performance is a lot worst than the other two no questions asked, you decide if its worth it or not.

At E1S1 they are equally powerfull for diferent reasons, more or less but they are there.

(Disclaimer, pick the one that you like the most this is for people that like all 3 and have to choose 1 or dont know)

-Pick WAven if Elation has kicked your *ss and want the most powerful option for the long run, mid base power but the strongest end of the 3 while invested, recomended if you want to follow the meta or want to make aventurine the strongest at the cost of reducing Ashveil damage output, now outside of this team is deadweight (not including elation ofc),Hyacine best sustainer but lets see what pearl does for him.

-Pick Robin SP if you want the duo to shine the most, they are doing the most damage and both becomes the main dps in a way, she gives value for your entire account so even if they create a stronger team she can be in another, Like her song(important lol) and has a high base power and stays high with investment, at E0 she is a support at E1 onwards she hits like a truck also just by existing makes your team speed demons lol, Hyacine best sustainer.

-Pick Gilgamesh if you wanna invest in Blade specifically, this team is the one that benefits the most of his vertical investment,Probably the most fitting aesthetic wise,bad-mid base power huge peak at E1 but mid at best late (I would say bad late if he didnt peaked in E6), if you are looking for the cheapest cost and leave it there or go all in into blade he is your man, also his healer slot is unknown, Huo2 has anti synergy (even if she is the best here) because you trade more energy using skill for less actions (stacks) for the team, also has the chance to grow A LOT if they for some chance create a fate character either a support (Ashveil is good but he is the weakest link here) or a sustainer that buffs him like he did with saber.

Summary.

Aven is the safest and strongest pick,a 1 man army cheatcode for elation Mid early, highest end.

Robin flexible and good pick and at the worst case scenario she can go somewhere else, high early, high end.

Gilgamesh is the riskiest one he can be an Anaxa buffed a billion times indirectly or a Boothill forgoten by time even his BIS sustainer is unknown, at the end FATE has to decide, its a gamble, Bad-mid early, High peak at E1, Bad-mid end.

I hope i help you decide because a lot of people are somewhat confused and pls this is my opinion and be civil about it <3

Disclaimer - I count Gilgamesh 0 cost at E01S1, if you read this over his free LC and character period then unless you like him in performance is a lot worst than the other two no questions asked, you decide if its worth it or not.

At E1S1 they are equally powerfull for diferent reasons, more or less but they are there.

(Disclaimer, pick the one that you like the most this is for people that like all 3 and have to choose 1 or dont know)

-Pick WAven if Elation has kicked your *ss and want the most powerful option for the long run, mid base power but the strongest end of the 3 while invested, recomended if you want to follow the meta or want to make aventurine the strongest at the cost of reducing Ashveil damage output, now outside of this team is deadweight (not including elation ofc),Hyacine best sustainer but lets see what pearl does for him.

-Pick Robin SP if you want the duo to shine the most, they are doing the most damage and both becomes the main dps in a way, she gives value for your entire account so even if they create a stronger team she can be in another, Like her song(important lol) and has a high base power and stays high with investment, at E0 she is a support at E1 onwards she hits like a truck also just by existing makes your team speed demons lol, Hyacine best sustainer.

-Pick Gilgamesh if you wanna invest in Blade specifically, this team is the one that benefits the most of his vertical investment,Probably the most fitting aesthetic wise,bad-mid base power huge peak at E1 but mid at best late (I would say bad late if he didnt peaked in E6), if you are looking for the cheapest cost and leave it there or go all in into blade he is your man, also his healer slot is unknown, Huo2 has anti synergy (even if she is the best here) because you trade more energy using skill for less actions (stacks) for the team, also has the chance to grow A LOT if they for some chance create a fate character either a support (Ashveil is good but he is the weakest link here) or a sustainer that buffs him like he did with saber.

Summary.

Aven is the safest and strongest pick,a 1 man army cheatcode for elation Mid early, highest end.

Robin flexible and good pick and at the worst case scenario she can go somewhere else, high early, high end.

Gilgamesh is the riskiest one he can be an Anaxa buffed a billion times indirectly or a Boothill forgoten by time even his BIS sustainer is unknown, at the end FATE has to decide, its a gamble, Bad-mid early, High peak at E1, Bad-mid end.

I hope i help you decide because a lot of people are somewhat confused and pls this is my opinion and be civil about it <3

At E1S1 they are equally powerfull for diferent reasons, more or less but they are there.

(Disclaimer, pick the one that you like the most this is for people that like all 3 and have to choose 1 or dont know)

-Pick WAven if Elation has kicked your *ss and want the most powerful option for the long run, mid base power but the strongest end of the 3 while invested, recomended if you want to follow the meta or want to make aventurine the strongest at the cost of reducing Ashveil damage output, now outside of this team is deadweight (not including elation ofc),Hyacine best sustainer but lets see what pearl does for him.

-Pick Robin SP if you want the duo to shine the most, they are doing the most damage and both becomes the main dps in a way, she gives value for your entire account so even if they create a stronger team she can be in another, Like her song(important lol) and has a high base power and stays high with investment, at E0 she is a support at E1 onwards she hits like a truck also just by existing makes your team speed demons lol, Hyacine best sustainer.

-Pick Gilgamesh if you wanna invest in Blade specifically, this team is the one that benefits the most of his vertical investment,Probably the most fitting aesthetic wise,bad-mid base power huge peak at E1 but mid at best late (I would say bad late if he didnt peaked in E6), if you are looking for the cheapest cost and leave it there or go all in into blade he is your man, also his healer slot is unknown, Huo2 has anti synergy (even if she is the best here) because you trade more energy using skill for less actions (stacks) for the team, also has the chance to grow A LOT if they for some chance create a fate character either a support (Ashveil is good but he is the weakest link here) or a sustainer that buffs him like he did with saber.

Summary.

Aven is the safest and strongest pick,a 1 man army cheatcode for elation Mid early, highest end.

Robin flexible and good pick and at the worst case scenario she can go somewhere else, high early, high end.

Gilgamesh is the riskiest one he can be an Anaxa buffed a billion times indirectly or a Boothill forgoten by time even his BIS sustainer is unknown, at the end FATE has to decide, its a gamble, Bad-mid early, High peak at E1, Bad-mid end.

I hope i help you decide because a lot of people are somewhat confused and pls this is my opinion and be civil about it <3

Disclaimer - I count Gilgamesh 0 cost at E01S1, if you read this over his free LC and character period then unless you like him in performance is a lot worst than the other two no questions asked, you decide if its worth it or not.

I searched a lot and i found a lot of of diferent spreadsheets but i could not find this one so if someone could help , would be much apreciated.

I have E2 blade and both gilgamesh E0S1 and Tribbie E0S5DDD with Huo2 so for informative reasons i would like to se the diference in diferent points in investment to compare it with other teams.

My Welt is E2, WITH 161 sped eagle with 89% EHR without any cone or the chest piece.

I heard that if you obtain more EHR you could imprison/interupt some bosses with resistance, i coud reach with a cone and the chest piece to 180%.

Now idk if its worth it because i dont know the thresholds necesary to imprison them and i lose the HP% body.

So some tips would be amazing <3

Also the speed idk if is worth it to increase it more, my team is with archer and sparkle has DDD.

My choice probably would be S2 Archer, Ash LC is better but i dont have unlimited jades.

BUT maybe is just best to grab the Gilgamesh LC in case one day i need it?(I dont have Gilga, i grabed the E2 Archer)

I know this is a "do wat you like the most" situation but i would like to hear your opinion.

Also i didnt pick Gilga because i didnt like him, is just that Hoyoverse hates Saber and him for some reason lol. (T-T)

Welp i have been informing myself for like 1+ week about his future and this are my results, i hope i can help you to decide what to do next or his future or if its worth etc just be prepared to eat a wall of text and this is MY conclusion:

-If you want to just main WAventurine then E0 is enough and pump WAven own eidolons.

-if you want the BIS team for HIM then Ashveil is always there.

-You want the best AshBlade team? RIGHT NOW is Robin SP.

-You want the best AshBlade team FOR THE FUTURE? He wants a team that all 4 slots can benefit from his E2 and does something with DMG%, for the main DPS needs to be a Energy FUA character that heavily uses his ult(Imagine Gilgamesh but not absolutely destroyed by nerfs + FUA in skill) + A sustain that heals (Imagine Hyacine for monorem, but for FUA in terms of mechanics + being the Huo2 2.0 for the energy part).

-Why dont slap E2 Robin for the 3º slot as a lasting teammate? She is incredible but The team still needs a character or something that benefits from the FUAs and pays off, imagine Feixiao but 2.0 while using energy or WAventruine but not being Elation, this part is about FUTURE not about the present but maybe they stop at Robin + a FUA sustainer, who knows.

-The diference between Washblade and Rashblade, the 1º kills 90% of the damage from the team and most of their vertical investments and makes Ashblade FUA bots, just to make itself stronger + the more you invest on Waven, more the team gets out of control, while the 2º Makes the core even stronger doing all 3 even damage(specially with E1-E2 Robin).

-Is Blade the BIS support for the Kings team (Saber and Gilgamesh)? Yesnt, depends on the future healer, the main problem for that team is that even while using robin your vibes generation is just too slow so it gatekeeps the damage + is a ult based team and E2 blade gives you more huge damage so depending on a Future sustainer it will be the deal breaker, for now both are amazing and if you have 1 dont bother changing.

-Is The Kings team better than Ashblade + Robin? Not even close(Imagine one beating on 400 AV and the other on 200 type of diference) because (I dont want to hurt anyone feeligs, i really love saber) Saber is not a unit rn and Gilgamesh got hit REALLY hard on the beta, Saber needs a novaflare that fix herself + a fate exclusive pasive for Gilgamesh in her own kit, just like Gilgamesh has for her.

-I am a Ashblade player neither Waven or Robin SP convinces me, what should i do? Just wait, the team is already strong enough to survive for like a year + if you have tribbie even better, Hoyoverse is being very funny in 4.X because they release units that replace eachother in the spam of 2 patches(Idk what will happen to Nihilux but for the SW teams one has to get out and Yao i dont think is moving)

-Is E1S5DDD good enough for Ashblade? This is a fun question, if the encounter is full AOE she does sliiiightly better in general than E1S0 Robin SP if is 3 or lower she gets less value so robin beats her, she spamming DDD and her E1 is THAT strong so yea, its amazing.

-Should I pull E1 Tribbie because i already have her at E0 for the Ashblade team? This is a weird one, both are ultra generalists supports that either the E1 or Robin herself will help you equally to improve your account, if you have home for both, both decisions are right BUT robin has more future and the E1S1 already beats tribbie E1 by some, in my opinion if you are good like this then is fine but the upgrade is always Robin, E1 tribbie can win in some full AOE situations so is situational.

-What about the Gilga Ashblade team, is it worth it for the absolute aura of the team? It does better than the dual knights team but not by much(this one hurts me because at V3 this was my planned team to go lol) this is including E1S1 gilgamesh with huo2 btw, the main problem is that Huo2 is MUST for gilgamesh but Ashblade preffers Hyacine there so again this one will depend on the future sustainer.

-I REEALLY like the Dual kings team (Gilgamesh + Saber) what should i do? The hard part is that this team future absolutely depends on Sabers nova, if you want to play that team just grab either Blade or Robin and wait for the next year or just use RMC if you dont to waste the slot because is a posibility tha for the next year Fate collab they create a new character for the team(If they do i either a support or a sustainer, But in my opinion it will be characters for a new team )

Welp this is the end of the questions, i hope i could help even if is just a little because the comunity is rather confused about their teams, but remember waifu/Husbando over meta, this is a game to have fun so the choice at the end is yours :3

Both of them are 1 cost upgrade.

Usually people tell me that gilga is better.

BUT theese days i found some people tell me that tribbie gives so so much AA and actions that she is better.

So i am a little confused on the matter.

Both of them are 1 cost upgrade.

Usually people tell me that gilga is better.

BUT theese days i found some people tell me that tribbie gives so so much AA and actions that she is better.

So i am a little confused on the matter.

I have E2 Blade for the Dual King setup but now this opens some interesting sets.

The Eagle build.

The Duke build.

The Genius Build

(There is Scholar and Wavestrider but i think with Duke is obsolete)

Eagle for more actions(and she is wind) Duke HUGE ATK% buff + FUA damage and Genius for more DEF Shred (The team with some investment is at 70% + Saber at E2 get another 15% = 85% the Scholar is at risk of being useless if they create a healer that adds some DEF shred)

I would like to see your opinions as Saber mains on the matter , it would be much apreciated :3

It was a funny GIF but i can not find the harumasa one.

I saw one with seth,Jane, and miyabi but his one is lost T-T

There are 2 options for FUA:

1 - The Ashblade core + Aven.

2 - Aventurine Robin core + flex.

I saw some of the 1º one and seems strong but for that one the theme is like all over the place + he has some anti synergy but the team is strong, but atleast for now Aven is the one most out of place of the 3.

About the second one, the both of them being the same summer theme fits SO well and the music fits very well, and curiusly both teams atleast of right now are kinda equal + there is not anti synergy whatsoever + robin gives aven even more speed, something that he benefits.

Is giga weird, is posible that hoyo is making both the mono men FUA team posible while giving Aventurine the "Summer" team being mixed as an diferent option?

The V3 will answer this questions but I would like to hear your opinions :3

There are 2 options for FUA:

1 - The Ashblade core + Aven.

2 - Aventurine Robin core + flex.

I saw some of the 1º one and seems strong but for that one the theme is like all over the place + he has some anti synergy but the team is strong, but atleast for now Aven is the one most out of place of the 3.

About the second one, the both of them being the same summer theme fits SO well and the music fits very well, and curiusly both teams atleast of right now are kinda equal + there is not anti synergy whatsoever + robin gives aven even more speed, something that he benefits.

Is giga weird, is posible that hoyo is making both the mono men FUA team posible while giving Aventurine the "Summer" team being mixed as an diferent option?

The V3 will answer this questions but I would like to hear your opinions :3

I had been testing and is very confusing.

In theory speed boots and HP rope is the best, but i just tried base speed Blade and it perform much better than with speed with similar stats and then in other situations the ER rope goes ahead also the plannars, i cannot decide betwen bone and vonwaq.(My team is Ashblade,tribbie and gallagher)

I would like to see your opinions and testings about the build because either all are too similar or they suprise me, also the eagle set is not much used so i see less testing.