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(char./pow. analysis) how kaido’s socio-darwinistic environment, and victim-exploitation-culture broke him, and shaped his philosophy & gave him incentive to rise
this is powerscaling related, so dont remove this😭😭
in one piece, kaido is often referred to as one of oda's many-large failures as a villain, and this is a very popular consensus in the one piece fandom. rarely will you EVER unironically see individuals praising kaido in any aspect outside of sheer power, and as one of his fans, i'd like to shed some light on his writing aspect, as he is my favorite character, and is harshly underrated. lets get into it.
MALICE OF ARISTOCRACY
"KIDS WHO HAVE NEVER KNOWN WAR, AND KIDS WHO HAVE NEVER KNOWN PEACE HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT VALUES! IT'S THE JOB OF THOSE AT THE TOP WHO DECIDE WHAT'S GOOD, AND WHAT'S WRONG!-".
-Donquixote Doflamingo - Chapter 556[1]
![[1]](https://mangaberri.com/mangas/124/3213/7-L3tgE7Eha7UOS-m.jpg){kind=link}
In op, we are constantly confronted with the brutal realities of its aristocratic world and the ways in which one’s environment can shape and ultimately distort an individual’s identity. this is not a rare phenomenon within the series; if anything, it appears to be the norm. the world is fundamentally governed by the world government and its ruling CD's, who occupy the highest social and political position imaginable, exercising near-absolute authority with little to no accountability, even to the extent of enslaving others at will[2]. This influence extends far beyond the common people, reaching even those born into privilege and power themselves, as the world itself a heirarchy.
![[2]](https://mangaberri.com/mangas/124/3131/15-nn4s3FMzWxRq6-m.jpg){kind=link}
hachi, in chapter 503-505'ish, who charlos gloats and bloats about having captured.
even boa, in chapter 521 speaks directly about the horror of the cd influence. these people openly impose their presence and ideology onto others through fear, domination, and extreme cruelty. they casually strip folks off from their homes and identity, enslaving and branding them not out of economic necessity alone, but as a deliberate reminder of "superiority". the mark serves as permanent physical reminder that those beneath them are considered socially inferior. ordinary civilians already understand this hierarchy on a societal level, but the brand transforms that oppression into something inescapable.
this physical aspect is not just for show, it genuinely has harsh psychological affects, even on individuals who are literally conquerers.[3] naturally, conquerers haki is evidence of an individual who has catastrophic levels of mental endurance, allowing them to endure trauma (could be physical too!), intimidation, and extreme mental pressure that would break ordinary people. and we see that boa hancock is no exception to this, going as far as to wear a mental-mask, and exhibit signs of cruelty so that no individual ever tests her, or puts her under conditions she felt under the CD influence.
![[3]](https://mangaberri.com/mangas/124/3148/18-P3Zv3f-WXrDCv-m.jpg){kind=link}
poor-boa man. both celestial-dragon and patriarchy is nothing short a bastard.
CHILD EXPLOITATION: KAIDO
Chapter 1049 - KAIDO, THE VODA KINGDOM'S \"ULTIMATE SOLDIER\"
during the bg clash, kaido recalls parts of his past. from the age of ten, he was already treated as the vodka kingdom’s “ultimate soldier,” valued less as a child, and more as a military asset and bargaining tool. the kingdom itself was trapped under the pressure of paying the so-called heavenly tribute to the celestial dragons, since failing to do so meant losing protection and basic human rights under the authority of the world government. In practice, this left the country with little realistic means of escape. kaido, as a result, was forced into war, and grew with a psychological-attachment to it ("I want more combat!!").
psychologically, according to the social learning theorem, kaido was not simply “born evil” or violent, he was shaped by a militaristic and oppressive society that rewarded brutality from childhood, causing him to negatively-internalize violence as identity, value, and purpose. if an organism is rewarded (even audibly) for action, they're likely to repeat it ("HE DID IT!! / ..THE ULTIMATE SOLDIER!!")
kaido question the status quo and gets shushed
now, this panel ties directly into the broader structure of the world established throughout, where the celestial dragons maintain power through coercion and systematic violence. their influence reaches every social class and demographic, and they show 0 concern for the suffering imposed onto others, whether those that're exploited are women, children, the elderly, or ordinary civilians forced into labor and subjugation.
"Recruiting and using children under 15 as soldiers is classified as a war crime by the International Criminal Court. Even if a child appears to join "voluntarily," international law recognizes that children cannot give free or informed consent to participate in armed violence, making all such recruitment inherently coercive and exploitative.".[4]
kaido is not simply a 1D monster, he is a product shaped by his environment which rewarded their country whenever they took a socio-darwinistic ideal (forced into war > strong soldiers > only means of survival)
as kaido grew older and reached the age of 15, he had already spent years involved in warfare and exploitation at the hands of both the world and the vodka kingdom. for what was presumably several years, he was used as a child soldier before eventually being trafficked by the kingdom itself and handed over to the world government’s navy in exchange for political benefit. this act clearly aligns with forced exploitation, as kaido was effectively treated as a commodity rather than a human being.
up until that point, kaido had spent years fighting on behalf of his country, only to be repaid with betrayal and abandonment. despite being regarded as the kingdom’s strongest soldier and its so-called “ultimate weapon,” he was ultimately discarded once they no longer knew what to do with him. the experience left him with a deeply fractured understanding of trust, loyalty, and likely, his relationships.
PRAGMATICISM PERSONIFIED
from that point onward, kaido no longer operates under the assumption that any authority structure has true-legitimacy, and teams up with the premises of mutual-interest, and never officially going as far as to bow down to anyone. we see this in the rocks pirates' core structure, in how they do not care for rocks' on the emotional level of the strawhats, but are acting in the most idividualistic sense as pirates.
we see that kaido respects this structure, in how he treats rocks.[5] he does not respect him, and from shiki's dialogue, we can tell that kaido has a history with this, seeing as he thinks rocks and kaido are going to destroy the island in a one-on-one before one falls.
![[5]](https://preview.redd.it/rocks-used-acoa-to-kick-a-15-year-old-kaido-then-shiki-v0-ahlylj7ywagf1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=382189802834b4423f2993ea188fe346c32f0486){kind=link}
as kaido moves on from this experience and begins kickstarting his wano empire, he finally enters a structure that reflects what he has already learned from experience, that power is the only stable truth and that systems, like the one that reigns and takes over the one piece world, exist to be broken.
he then makes his landmark and his regime marked by the ideology that his core goal is not to simply start a war, but to destroy the malicious ideology of aristocracy, and create a system where war-ability (of course, strength), dictates your true worth. most people call this basic, but to me, this is absolutely amazing, and an undeniable aspect of the world. in one piece, justice isn't objective, it's dictated by the victors. you may not be able to talk your way out of every conflict, but in one piece? strength as your vice, unless you lack it, has never let anyone down, and cannot, unless you lack the proper amount.
in this next panel, this first box best sums it up. the point isn’t fairness or moral legitimacy, it’s about FUNCTION. EVERYorder he has ever encountered already relies on coercion, but it's just in different circumstances.
- the world government? they enforces its rule through military power, fear, and punishment. they're virtually untouchable because they've eliminated, and consistently muted information like the void-century[6] and [7]
- while the celestial dragons maintain hierarchy through unchecked force and privilege, which ensures civilians get to internalize this sense of "inferiority", and this, by proxy, deters direct-revolution[8]
![[8]](https://mangaberri.com/mangas/124/3131/11-bte3K3ePG1dwB-m.jpg){kind=link}
any kind of so-called “justice” only exists where it can be backed by enforcement. in that sense, kaido’s ideology is consistent: strength is NOT just what wins conflicts, it is what makes ANY system real in the first place. everything else, including law, morality, and order directly pours from who has the ability to impose consequences. strength runs the world, so kaido being defeated never destroyed or disproved this ideology, it simply maintained it, and reinforced it, in fact.
"THROUGHOUT HUMAN HISTORY..SHEER MGHT HAS SOLVED ALL PROBLEMS"
"OF COURSE! HUMANS ARE ANIMALS!! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST IS LAW OF NATURE!!"
so, in conclusion, kaido was broken down by a tyrannical system and had his entire mind, worldview, and ideology shaped through repeated exploitation and betrayal. in a world where trust proved unreliable at every level[9], from kingdoms to institutions like the world government, he gradually discarded any belief in cooperation as a stable foundation. instead, he recognized what his experience consistently reinforced: the only constant variable in every conflict is power itself.
![[9]](https://i.redd.it/dxlj9rhdceje1.png){kind=link}
in that sense, his conclusion is not framed as moral, but as practical. alliances can fail, comrades can turn, and systems can collapse, but overwhelming force remains the one factor that consistently determines outcomes. “might makes right” is less philosophical slogan and more a lived observation, where “right” simply means whatever position can be enforced and maintained.
from this very interestin' perspective, unparalleled power does not guarantee fairness or virtue, but it DOES guarantee permanence in shaping reality. kaido is not the best written one piece character, but he is my damn favorite.
DEBUNKING RUMORS/SLANDER
i would attack and go into this stance personally via words, but i would more than likely run out of pages, and very-very quickly. since ive made an analysis on this already[10], i decided to answer the misconceptions here.
OVERVIEW
this line, and kaidos ending means alot to me. king is someone who survived ethnic cleansin as the last member of his race by the world government. he is not just loyal to Kaido out of convenience, but because Kaido is the first figure who offered him something the world never did: survival (without submission!), as well as pride, combined with identity[11]. kaido’s philosophy of strength is harsh, but it is also consistent in a way that allowed king to rebuild a sense of identity. ( instead of being treated as a victim or relic, King is valued for what he can do, and that gives him a place to exist again.
so, the beauty of the scene is not just about joyboy or fate, but about two broken survivors who built interpersonal and structural stability through strength, and who fully trusted and depended on one another. kaido gave king a place in the world after total erasure, and king ,in turn, stood beside Kaido with unwavering loyalty.
this dynamic also mirrors the bond between luff and zoro, where trust is not simply built through basic promises, but through lived reliance in moments of extreme pressure. in both cases, loyalty is not abstract, but proven shared struggle, and the decision to stand beside someone who helps defines (or defined) your sense of direction in the world.
so, lets go over it again.
is he the best written character? no.
is he the strongest character ever? no.
but is he my favorite? yes.
i made this mainly because some friends thought i was joking when i said kaido was a great job by oda but figured i'd share it here since this is done at times (https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1mus8la/character_analysis_of_mihawk/)
u/Zoteku — 8 days ago
▲ 15 r/GrandLineScaling
how kaido’s socio-darwinistic environment, and victim-exploitation-culture broke him, shaped his philosophy & made him the central figure of the world.
in one piece, kaido is often referred to as one of oda's many-large failures as a villain, and this is a very popular consensus in the one piece fandom. rarely will you EVER unironically see individuals praising kaido in any aspect outside of sheer power, and as one of his fans, i'd like to shed some light on his writing aspect, as he is my favorite character, and is harshly underrated. lets get into it.
MALICE OF ARISTOCRACY
"KIDS WHO HAVE NEVER KNOWN WAR, AND KIDS WHO HAVE NEVER KNOWN PEACE HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT VALUES! IT'S THE JOB OF THOSE AT THE TOP WHO DECIDE WHAT'S GOOD, AND WHAT'S WRONG!-".
-Donquixote Doflamingo - Chapter 556[1]
In op, we are constantly confronted with the brutal realities of its aristocratic world and the ways in which one’s environment can shape and ultimately distort an individual’s identity. this is not a rare phenomenon within the series; if anything, it appears to be the norm. the world is fundamentally governed by the world government and its ruling CD's, who occupy the highest social and political position imaginable, exercising near-absolute authority with little to no accountability, even to the extent of enslaving others at will[2]. This influence extends far beyond the common people, reaching even those born into privilege and power themselves, as the world itself a heirarchy.
hachi, in chapter 503-505'ish, who charlos gloats and bloats about having captured.
even boa, in chapter 521 speaks directly about the horror of the cd influence. these people openly impose their presence and ideology onto others through fear, domination, and extreme cruelty. they casually strip folks off from their homes and identity, enslaving and branding them not out of economic necessity alone, but as a deliberate reminder of "superiority". the mark serves as permanent physical reminder that those beneath them are considered socially inferior. ordinary civilians already understand this hierarchy on a societal level, but the brand transforms that oppression into something inescapable.
this physical aspect is not just for show, it genuinely has harsh psychological affects, even on individuals who are literally conquerers.[3] naturally, conquerers haki is evidence of an individual who has catastrophic levels of mental endurance, allowing them to endure trauma (could be physical too!), intimidation, and extreme mental pressure that would break ordinary people. and we see that boa hancock is no exception to this, going as far as to wear a mental-mask, and exhibit signs of cruelty so that no individual ever tests her, or puts her under conditions she felt under the CD influence.
poor-boa man. both celestial-dragon and patriarchy is nothing short a bastard.
CHILD EXPLOITATION: KAIDO
Chapter 1049 - KAIDO, THE VODA KINGDOM'S \"ULTIMATE SOLDIER\"
during the bg clash, kaido recalls parts of his past. from the age of ten, he was already treated as the vodka kingdom’s “ultimate soldier,” valued less as a child, and more as a military asset and bargaining tool. the kingdom itself was trapped under the pressure of paying the so-called heavenly tribute to the celestial dragons, since failing to do so meant losing protection and basic human rights under the authority of the world government. In practice, this left the country with little realistic means of escape. kaido, as a result, was forced into war, and grew with a psychological-attachment to it ("I want more combat!!").
psychologically, according to the social learning theorem, kaido was not simply “born evil” or violent, he was shaped by a militaristic and oppressive society that rewarded brutality from childhood, causing him to negatively-internalize violence as identity, value, and purpose. if an organism is rewarded (even audibly) for action, they're likely to repeat it ("HE DID IT!! / ..THE ULTIMATE SOLDIER!!")
kaido question the status quo and gets shushed
now, this panel ties directly into the broader structure of the world established throughout, where the celestial dragons maintain power through coercion and systematic violence. their influence reaches every social class and demographic, and they show 0 concern for the suffering imposed onto others, whether those that're exploited are women, children, the elderly, or ordinary civilians forced into labor and subjugation.
"Recruiting and using children under 15 as soldiers is classified as a war crime by the International Criminal Court. Even if a child appears to join "voluntarily," international law recognizes that children cannot give free or informed consent to participate in armed violence, making all such recruitment inherently coercive and exploitative.".[4]
kaido is not simply a 1D monster, he is a product shaped by his environment which rewarded their country whenever they took a socio-darwinistic ideal (forced into war > strong soldiers > only means of survival)
as kaido grew older and reached the age of 15, he had already spent years involved in warfare and exploitation at the hands of both the world and the vodka kingdom. for what was presumably several years, he was used as a child soldier before eventually being trafficked by the kingdom itself and handed over to the world government’s navy in exchange for political benefit. this act clearly aligns with forced exploitation, as kaido was effectively treated as a commodity rather than a human being.
up until that point, kaido had spent years fighting on behalf of his country, only to be repaid with betrayal and abandonment. despite being regarded as the kingdom’s strongest soldier and its so-called “ultimate weapon,” he was ultimately discarded once they no longer knew what to do with him. the experience left him with a deeply fractured understanding of trust, loyalty, and likely, his relationships.
PRAGMATICISM PERSONIFIED
from that point onward, kaido no longer operates under the assumption that any authority structure has true-legitimacy, and teams up with the premises of mutual-interest, and never officially going as far as to bow down to anyone. we see this in the rocks pirates' core structure, in how they do not care for rocks' on the emotional level of the strawhats, but are acting in the most idividualistic sense as pirates.
we see that kaido respects this structure, in how he treats rocks.[5] he does not respect him, and from shiki's dialogue, we can tell that kaido has a history with this, seeing as he thinks rocks and kaido are going to destroy the island in a one-on-one before one falls.
as kaido moves on from this experience and begins kickstarting his wano empire, he finally enters a structure that reflects what he has already learned from experience, that power is the only stable truth and that systems, like the one that reigns and takes over the one piece world, exist to be broken.
he then makes his landmark and his regime marked by the ideology that his core goal is not to simply start a war, but to destroy the malicious ideology of aristocracy, and create a system where war-ability (of course, strength), dictates your true worth. most people call this basic, but to me, this is absolutely amazing, and an undeniable aspect of the world. in one piece, justice isn't objective, it's dictated by the victors. you may not be able to talk your way out of every conflict, but in one piece? strength as your vice, unless you lack it, has never let anyone down, and cannot, unless you lack the proper amount.
in this next panel, this first box best sums it up. the point isn’t fairness or moral legitimacy, it’s about FUNCTION. EVERYorder he has ever encountered already relies on coercion, but it's just in different circumstances.
- the world government? they enforces its rule through military power, fear, and punishment. they're virtually untouchable because they've eliminated, and consistently muted information like the void-century[6] and [7]
- while the celestial dragons maintain hierarchy through unchecked force and privilege, which ensures civilians get to internalize this sense of "inferiority", and this, by proxy, deters direct-revolution[8]
any kind of so-called “justice” only exists where it can be backed by enforcement. in that sense, kaido’s ideology is consistent: strength is NOT just what wins conflicts, it is what makes ANY system real in the first place. everything else, including law, morality, and order directly pours from who has the ability to impose consequences. strength runs the world, so kaido being defeated never destroyed or disproved this ideology, it simply maintained it, and reinforced it, in fact.
"THROUGHOUT HUMAN HISTORY..SHEER MGHT HAS SOLVED ALL PROBLEMS"
"OF COURSE! HUMANS ARE ANIMALS!! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST IS LAW OF NATURE!!"
so, in conclusion, kaido was broken down by a tyrannical system and had his entire mind, worldview, and ideology shaped through repeated exploitation and betrayal. in a world where trust proved unreliable at every level[9], from kingdoms to institutions like the world government, he gradually discarded any belief in cooperation as a stable foundation. instead, he recognized what his experience consistently reinforced: the only constant variable in every conflict is power itself.
in that sense, his conclusion is not framed as moral, but as practical. alliances can fail, comrades can turn, and systems can collapse, but overwhelming force remains the one factor that consistently determines outcomes. “might makes right” is less philosophical slogan and more a lived observation, where “right” simply means whatever position can be enforced and maintained.
from this very interestin' perspective, unparalleled power does not guarantee fairness or virtue, but it DOES guarantee permanence in shaping reality. kaido is not the best written one piece character, but he is my damn favorite.
DEBUNKING RUMORS/SLANDER
i would attack and go into this stance personally via words, but i would more than likely run out of pages, and very-very quickly. since ive made an analysis on this already[10], i decided to answer the misconceptions here.
OVERVIEW
this line, and kaidos ending means alot to me. king is someone who survived ethnic cleansin as the last member of his race by the world government. he is not just loyal to Kaido out of convenience, but because Kaido is the first figure who offered him something the world never did: survival (without submission!), as well as pride, combined with identity[11]. kaido’s philosophy of strength is harsh, but it is also consistent in a way that allowed king to rebuild a sense of identity. ( instead of being treated as a victim or relic, King is valued for what he can do, and that gives him a place to exist again.
so, the beauty of the scene is not just about joyboy or fate, but about two broken survivors who built interpersonal and structural stability through strength, and who fully trusted and depended on one another. kaido gave king a place in the world after total erasure, and king ,in turn, stood beside Kaido with unwavering loyalty.
this dynamic also mirrors the bond between luff and zoro, where trust is not simply built through basic promises, but through lived reliance in moments of extreme pressure. in both cases, loyalty is not abstract, but proven shared struggle, and the decision to stand beside someone who helps defines (or defined) your sense of direction in the world.
so, lets go over it again.
is he the best written character? no.
is he the strongest character ever? no.
but is he my favorite? yes.
u/Zoteku — 8 days ago
▲ 236 r/BlueLock
'does anyone else feel as though hugo lacks an actual "playstyle" or "flair" on the field?
i've never really seen anyone talk specifically about this, but i think it's one of the biggest things that make a new gen 11, y'know, a NG11. the guy has amazing panels, and works really awesome in terms of off-the-ball movement and whatnot, but with the ball? he's not garbage whatsoever, but rather, feels "boring"? is that the word? at least in comparison with the rest. i wouldn't get pissed because camus or fukaku aren't doing handstand-blocks because they are not ever hyped up as the worlds 11 best youth players oat
i've seen people imply this with how some folks said hugo was made an NG11 strictly due to his brains, and i truly think that's because he genuinely lacks cool panels that show his technicality in handling the ball. nomura focused a bit more with the rest in this category, and seeing how things are atm for him, it's probably an art thing, but you get what i mean (hopefully).
u/Zoteku — 9 days ago
hadn't seen the divine champions as viltrumites so i quickly rushed one up❤️🩹
u/Zoteku — 10 days ago
▲ 59 r/BlueLock
what do u think of this analysis i found on why sae/bunny are the best NG11? (@oneymezg on TT)
u/Zoteku — 11 days ago
(analysis) some food for thought: kaido was never speedblitzed by snakeman, and was ALWAYS faster than him in 1042
i have been seeing a lot of kaido speed discussions and wanted to add something onto it. BIG credit to u/CocaPepsiPepper for giving me this idea and u/AtFearsEnd for helping me double down. both r actual goats.
why kizaru doesn't benefit off this - https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/s/6CctZI1jnP
u/Zoteku — 11 days ago
▲ 143 r/BlueLock
what are things you actually love about the japan vs france game?
u/Zoteku — 12 days ago
▲ 102 r/OnePiecePowerScaling
i spent about a good hour wondering what i should put for #19, and i couldn't really figure anything out, and decided to take a chunk of Empty-Waves old analysis, a fellow good friend and big kaido fan like myself. here. we've worked together a bunch of times in the past (as like with me and goat AtFearsEnd), so this isn't plagiarization.
for those who disagree with the end
anyway, as always, kaido is a very fun character to look deep and dwell deep into, who u always learn smth new about whenever you read wano. if you're here to combat me for the last slide, I'll make an analysis on it eventually cuz i have yet to do so, but no, I don't believe harad beats out kaido, and by proxy, loki. this is why. 2 characters who consistently clash often and take blows from each other has never automatically cemented them as equals, that only portrays relativity, and not even to a powerful degree, but a mediocre degree at best. yamato versus kaido consisted of multiple panels where they equalized, and fought damn near on par with each other, landed hits and blocked many, despite yamato being evidently weaker considering 1010 and 1011 luffy was very much capable of doing the exact same thing to kaido (who, altho weaker, was clearly more powerful). this isn't to say harald is weak, but the clear takeaway is that he has not shown feats kaido cannot do. clashing with rocks isn't a feat that drops you at yonko level (i dont think i need to explain clash piece to this sub), nor is the 6 km feat special, given that this is a natural result of rocks clashing with his swordmanship activated. in addition to rocks talking about the nidhogg, he wanted harald to have it based off pure genetics, which isn't anything in of itself.
hk harald covennant
later, we learn harald gained a HK boost, but the HK boost isn't quantifiable by any meaningful measure. we can't say "he got X, therefore he jumped 1 tier above", as this is just unsupported. his feats later on are fighting foot-soldiers, and fightin non-prime gaban and shanks, who proceed to outpace him and split off his leg. they not only cut him once, but twice now. am i genuinely supposed to believe this guy beats kaido in stats, when kaido himself could speedblitz hydra snakeman AND gear 5th before his leg instantaneously blew air towards the foot? it's almost hilarious. this guy isn't weak, but he has never once done anything to warrant the opinions on him ("beats-mid diffs kaido!"). yes obviously HK harald is stronger than his pre amp moment, but i have 0 incentive to believe he's suddenly jumped a tier. if his performance is unquantifiable, its unquantifiable, simple as. we can infer he got stronger, but to what degree? suddenly inconvertibly beating kaido? no
rocks versus the admiral
even the rocks feat is conflated as-can-be of him eliminating an admiral. we are strictly told rocks had an engaging with an admiral, and the admiral was left dead. we aren't told or shown any other context, not about how powerful said admiral was, not who this admiral was, etc. i don't like being a nerd, but it's "logically fallacious" to say that as a result, we can take rocks as yonko-level due to this, when we have zero incentive to believe this admiral was as powerful as akainu, aokiji or even fujitora. if the admirals' power balance isn't consistent across eras (post vs pre-timeskip), we aren't to assume anything about the men from the past. even the entire ideal of "oda never intended for you to consider him weak/not equal to the og's" is flawed. the admiral can constitute as "strong" and still lose, because strong is a meaningless hype-term when it revolves around nothing. anybody can be "strong", but in comparison to what, y'know? "strong" in comparison to a yonko? to a marine footsoldier? to an admiral? rocks is for sure can be "strong" but if there's no ceiling barrier it's a weak statement to go off of
imu dialogue, gaban thinks harald cannot be beat (via regen)
imu not understanding who could've killed harald is a weak-ass statement too, as it only means imu's standards exceeded harald's capability. or, that loki (who was unknown) defied standards, which is nothing new. gaban and imu are shocked because they didn't know of anyone on elbaf in that instance who had the capability to pack him up. this doesn't automatically make him top 1. we've seen this so many times within a story on how you don't need to believe someone is invincible to be shocked that someone can beat them
gaban was false, and so, this statement shouldn't be taken as automatically true considering its limited by a lack of knowledge. also, please take into consideration that haralds POWER was not what would give him the winning factor against anyone, but rather his IMMORTALITY. this is independent from physical stats like AP, speed, durability, etc. gaban has not seen wb's full potential that we know of. the 3-day war, and god valley r not meaningful measures.
i cant think of anything else. loki damaging imu cannot be used as a feat to put loki above imu, as we do not know how durable imu is meant to be. even if you have loki over kaido (which is A-OK), the idea that kaido was ever "powercliffed" by him is bullshit
u/Zoteku — 19 days ago
▲ 20 r/nikerunclub
u/Zoteku — 20 days ago
▲ 826 r/Chainsawfolk
u/Zoteku — 25 days ago
▲ 436 r/BlueLock
i hear a lot about how they were only ever mentioned in episode 1, but didn't pick up on this lmao
u/Zoteku — 25 days ago