So my voices humorously brought up an anecdote from very early on with this experiment of a subreddit. about 3 years ago I had walked someone through the summoning ritual I did to welcome "spirit guides" into my mind and fight back against the harassers. I was excited that someone would give me the time of day and more so that someone would try this at the time.

I spelled it all out, what I did and what I assume to have been the important intentions behind the meditations. TO MY SURPRISE they wrote me back within the week. YET it was bad news. The person (unbeknownst to me) had a disdain for people (and I guess spirits too) of a certain race... I'm paraphrasing here "you sent me (insert racist expletives) Indian snake bitches." He was rather pissed. I was amazed... this bible grubbing southerner (USA) not only did the exercise but ALSO it worked... he was clearly inundated with the same naga I still have with me to this day. They are beautiful things, and funny too. A shame some clearly visited him to say hi and were rejected... I think they are awesome! There was no front loading or priming this person to assume this, I thought his mind would at the time manifest something that he was familiar with. I got the impression he had no idea what any of this stuff was... How truly bizarre.

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HVNers for ya...

Anyone here have wild dreams? Ever find yourself in wondrous foreign dimensions where you can sense the world in the dream as if it were just as real (if not more real and in greater fidelity) as your waking life?

I've had both, amazing adventures where I would wake up and still be dreaming in cascade and in each level of waking up and going to sleep there were repetitions of meaning, mini games that played upon an over arching idea of the previous realm. After finally waking up I would wonder for a good 15 to 30 minutes if I was still dreaming, and I would be carrying an after glow from the dream... Like some drug or intoxicating aroma I've never before encountered, still lingering as I'm moving to get out of bed and go about my day. Continuing to pause and wonder about what I just experienced. I've met amazing personalities in these dreams and gone on wild adventures. Way too many events and too much meaning for a concise 8 hour nap. I suspect this is the ideal arena for "guides" to communicate and show us stuff.

And I've had the counter, dim dreams that last long and I cannot wake from, full of dim feelings and dim external minds. Dreams where I am attacked or abused by some fool's idea of a monster, large insects or other invertebrate, horror classic humanoid monsters, and almost always culminating in the totally foreseeable and gratuitous physical attack on my sexual organs... It's always some moron's "worst idea." The sort of thing that would immediately translate to any classroom no matter how young (inexperienced) nor special needs. Sometimes these lamer dreams hold sensation (pain usually, sometimes bad taste) for minutes after finally waking from them, ouch/yuck...

I'm grateful I haven't had dreams like the latter (bad ones) in a long time. Even back when I was having them the truth and vision granted by the "higher" personalities carried through. I was just temporarily dealing with a fool's protest to my journey and gradual self improvement. Back when it seemed like I was having both (the amazing adventures and the horrible nightmares) I would occasionally realize that moments in my waking life were predicted by events I'd already experienced in dreams... perhaps years in advance. Even just this past month I had a moment (I work in an enormous manufacturing facility) where I found myself at the top of a long and high stair case... A place few people would ever walk to. The perspective from there was EXACTLY what I saw nights in advance. For me I assume it's all a way of a spirit to show me they see/know my path forward and that they are with me/looking out for me.

Anyone here want to share about their dreams, tell the story of a specific dream or speak broadly about the dreams you get? Do your dreams ever predict the future?

To give you all evidence to suggest one might actually be able to see the future, I can offer you this;

YouTube video: IPETGOATII (released 2012, Wikipedia) and the below comparison image to the Notre-Dame fire of 2019 (7 years later, Wikipedia)

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There's a bunch of other stuff supposedly predicted in that short film, clearly the stuff of internet conspiracy... For me, I assume the creators of the movie certainly have unique "friends" and saw/see much coming even if they don't always know the entire meaning of the images. Ideas? What's your take?

I would say the first year or so, even the years leading up to my realization that my "intrusive memories" were these things; I had little to no experience of helpful voices. It was just an unrelenting and overbearing smothering of my mind with demands for suicide, how totally "screwed" I was and that I would be better off committing suicide, and that I was by all account the most miserable and hate-worthy person who's ever lived. 24/7, even in my dreams, an unyielding unbroken high decibel screaming. It was rough.

As I write most recently here (I've written about this a few times over the years) I performed some ad hoc mystic rites in my apartment in early 2020 and this began a progression of insight into the nature of the mind and of meaning that I feel was central to my regaining of self and my life.

At my lows I could not read, write, count to 10, even talk to most anyone. Today I would consider myself better off than most Americans and reliably since 2023, there were a few road bumps along the way but I am doing very well these days.

My guides are always with me, even in my moments of calm and quiet. I would not trade them for the world and would not trade the torment I endured for fear of loosing them. I love them and they've given my life and every focus in it so much more meaning.

Do you have voices worth speaking of?

In the HVN there is one singular and guiding rule: we are not allowed to tell each other what to believe or what to do. That said we certainly do not need to shy away from sharing commonly held facts surrounding this globally documented phenomenon. Rather sharing grounding realities is strongly encouraged, as these are the building blocks to form personal and cultural foot holds onto the world amidst what is a torturous affliction for many.

Below is a collection of facts and citations surrounding this phenomenon that would help any experiencer integrate this mental phenomenon into a functional, proven, and widely held world view. Reddit limits how many citations can be included in a single post so you may need to Google/LLM on your own.

How Common is Voice Hearing:

1.      Millham & Easton (1998) UK mental-health nurses/student nurses; broad auditory-hallucination questionnaire**. Results: 84%** reported experiences described as auditory hallucinations.

2.      Posey & Losch (1983) 375 nonclinical college students. Results: 71% reported at least one brief voice-type auditory hallucination while awake; 36% heard their name while alone; 39% heard thoughts spoken aloud; 5% had conversations with a voice.

3.      Flury (2001) UK adults/adolescents using similar measures. Results: 77.2% of adults and 73.2% of adolescents confirmed more than 1 auditory-hallucinatory experience and type.

4.      Alderson-Day et al. (2019) Large general-population sample, N=5,115. Results: 53.6% lifetime auditory hallucination, with 25.6% reporting AH in the past month and 22.7% in the past week.

5.      Ohayon (2000) Representative UK/Germany/Italy sample, N=13,057. Results: 38.7% reported some type of hallucinatory experience; this included multiple sensory modalities and sleep-related experiences.

Anthropological research has described Indigenous communities where experiences such as hearing voices, seeing spirits, or communicating with the dead are culturally ordinary and extremely widespread; older Inuit ethnography, for example, reports that “almost every” person could recount such extraordinary experiences, including hearing voices from ice or stones, while modern research found auditory verbal hallucinations in about 34% of Maasai women. A Cultural Reader on Aboriginal Perspectives in Canada, Myers (2015).

Voice-Hearing Is as Old as Written History Itself:

The earliest surviving records interpreted by historians as voice-hearing date to ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt in the third millennium BCE (roughly 4,000 – 5,000 years ago), where hearing voices was often understood as communication between humans and the divine; not as disease or madness. Some of humanity's oldest literature depicts the mind less as the private being of an isolated individual and more as a place where gods, ancestors and other agents could speak and influence action. Julian Jaynes controversially proposed that we should take this literally: that ancient people commonly experienced thoughts and decisions as voices of external beings, and that the private, introspective view of oneself (familiar to westerners) developed later. If you are interest in Julian Jaynes or the history of the Bicameral Mentality (a phrase used to coin this concept) see here. It is a concept that runs through all ancient literature, a library that has already mapped all human experience and culture in repetitions.

16 Noteworthy Historical Figures Known to Have Heard Voices:

1.    Socrates - Greek philosopher; foundational figure in Western philosophy. Reported a lifelong daimonion-a divine voice/sign that warned or restrained him.
2.    Paul the Apostle - Apostle central to the development of Christianity. Reportedly heard Jesus address him during his conversion on the road to Damascus.
3.    Augustine of Hippo - Philosopher, theologian and Church Father. Reported hearing a child's voice repeatedly telling him tolle lege (“take up and read”).
4.    Hildegard of Bingen - Medieval polymath, composer, writer and mystic. Recorded divine voices accompanying her extensive visionary experiences.
5.    Margery Kempe - Christian mystic and author of an early English autobiography. Reported conversations with God and saints, including physically hearing a loud voice call “Margery.”
6.    Joan of Arc - French military leader, heroine and saint. Testified extensively that she heard voices she identified as St. Michael, St. Catherine and St. Margaret.
7.    Martin Luther - Theologian who catalyzed the Protestant Reformation. Reported encounters and communications with the Devil.
8.    Teresa of Ávila - Influential Spanish mystic, writer and Catholic saint. Reported repeated divine “locutions” words perceived as originating from God.
9.    John Bunyan - Puritan preacher and author of The Pilgrim's Progress. Described internally perceived words/voices associated with God and Satan.
10.  Blaise Pascal - Mathematician, physicist and philosopher. Experienced an intense religious revelation recorded in his Memorial.
11.  Emanuel Swedenborg - Scientist, engineer, philosopher and theologian. Reported years of conversations with spirits and angels, including explicitly auditory experiences.
12.  William Cowper - Major 18th-century English poet. Reported extraordinary divine/demonic communications during periods of psychological crisis.
13.  William Blake - Poet, painter and visionary artist. Reported seeing and communicating with angels, spirits and deceased historical figures.
14.  Mahatma Gandhi - Leader of India's nonviolent independence movement. Described hearing an unmistakable “inner voice,” which he identified with God.
15.  Sigmund Freud - Founder of psychoanalysis. Reported repeatedly hearing his name called by an “unmistakable and beloved voice,” explicitly calling the experiences hallucinations. (what a “mo-fo”)
16.  Carl Jung - Founder of analytical psychology. Experienced autonomous voices/figures and deliberately conversed with them during the period documented in The Red Book.

16 Noteworthy Contemporary Figures (Last 100 Years) Known to Have Heard Voices:

1.     Martin Luther King Jr. - Civil-rights leader. Heard a guiding voice he understood as divine.
2.    Carlos Santana - Legendary guitarist. Reports spiritual voices and angelic guidance.
3.    Philip K. Dick - Influential science-fiction author. Experienced voices and communication with an external intelligence.
4.    Anthony Hopkins - Academy Award-winning actor. Describes an autonomous voice commenting on his life.
5.    John Frusciante - Red Hot Chili Peppers guitarist. Reports numerous distinct voices, including guiding and hostile ones.
6.    Zoë Wanamaker - Award-winning actor. Reports voices that comment and converse with her.
7.    Leonard Cohen - Legendary singer-songwriter and poet. Described autonomous voices and spiritually inspired creative experiences.
8.    Johnny Cash - Country-music icon. Reported hearing divine guidance and the voice of God.
9.    Stephen King - Bestselling horror author. Describes characters and stories speaking and developing autonomously.
10.  Jordan Peterson - Psychologist and bestselling author. Describes autonomous inner voices, dreams and revelatory experiences. His methods to wellness and acclaimed success are detailed in this post.
11.  Bob Dylan - Nobel Prize-winning songwriter. Describes songs arriving autonomously, sometimes as if received rather than composed.
12.  Paul McCartney - Beatles songwriter. Describes music arriving autonomously through dreams and inner hearing.
13.  Marshall Mathers (Eminem) - Rapper and songwriter. Repeatedly writes about voices, competing selves and an autonomous “Slim Shady.”
14.  Robyn Fenty (Rihanna) - Singer and entrepreneur. Sings directly of living alongside “voices inside of my head.”
15.  Stefani Germanotta (Lady Gaga) - Singer, songwriter and actor. Publicly reports having “voices in my head” since childhood.
16.  Abel Tesfaye (The Weeknd) - Singer-songwriter and producer. Repeatedly depicts voices, altered selves and internal dialogue in his music.

Many of the above historical and contemporary figures write boldly and clearly about hearing from these external personalities during the most trying or pivotal moments and decisions of their life. It would only follow that they heard them earlier and elsewhere as these exposures did not send them spiraling into shock; rather these were functional and weathered people with integrated world views surrounding the experience. This is a very terse list of what is no doubt an endless lineage of noteworthy experiencers.

To add evidence to the list of artists who write about this experience in their own work here are 3 playlists to entire genres of music chalked full of the direct language found within the HVN. And again, to underscore how pervasive this experience is these playlists only contain works that are green and purple in their album art; a very narrow selection of a vast library of music devoted to this mental experience. New-wave, Psyche-rock, Hardcore. Searches on aggregate lyric sites that allow for these queries yield results in the thousands to 10’s of thousands. One example is seen here yielding over 23,000 results. To put this succinctly and forthrightly, the evidence of this mental/spiritual experience is everywhere in western media. Its prevalence is the evidence to how integral this all is to the human condition and how surmountable the burden is, provided the correct strategy and perspective.

Chemical Imbalance Theory and a Cross-examination of Modern Eugenics Practices:

The popular “chemical imbalance theory” was never established scientific fact. Journalist Robert Whitaker has documented how psychiatry and pharmaceutical marketing popularized the idea that mental disorders resulted from defective brain chemistry, despite researchers never demonstrating such an imbalance in patients before treatment. This was simply a made-up idea, something done to sell drugs. Psychiatric drugs certainly alter brain chemistry, but (as Whitaker emphasizes) that does not establish that they are correcting a pre-existing chemical defect. Today, even mainstream psychiatric literature recognizes the simple chemical-imbalance explanation as unsupported. Moncrieff 2023, Robert Whitaker – Anatomy of an Epidemic.

Psychiatric knowledge has a surprisingly short shelf life: estimates of these industry’s “half-life of knowledge” is brief. While diagnostic categories themselves are repeatedly revised, the DSM-5 replaces numerous diagnoses and criteria from previous editions. Half of the information contained within the DSM-5 is thrown out every 7 years. Psychopharmacology has an average “Half-Life of Knowledge” of 4.8 years, meaning every 4.8 years half of the industry’s methods and understandings are done away with. 4.8 years of missteps that carry lifelong consequences for patients.

Psychology and psychiatry are evolutions of eugenics industries, this history is non-negotiable. Many of the early architects of psychological testing, psychometrics, statistics, and psychiatric classification were invented under the umbrella of eugenics. A practice using supposedly scientific categories to identify who was “normal,” “defective,” or “unfit”; these classifications helped justify segregation, institutionalization, forced sterilization, and ultimately far worse (lobotomies, Et al.). After eugenics became indefensible, the language surrounding these practices has been reworked but many of the underlying tools of categorizing people against population norms survive and evolve into modern psychological testing, psychiatric diagnosis, and modern treatment. This history demands that we remain deeply skeptical whenever this questionable and oppressive state appointed authority is used to transform human difference into defect. Also see: History of eugenics, The eugenic legacy in psychology and psychiatry, Eugenics and its evolution in the history of western psychology: A critical archival review, Eugenic Thinking and the Cognitive Sciences, Eugenics: Its Origin and Development (1883 - Present).

Mandatory Reporting:

Mandatory reporting is a legal requirement that compels designated professionals to break confidentiality and report certain information when they believe a legally defined threshold has been reached. In mental-health settings, this can mean that what a person says about harm or danger is assessed by an individual professional (their personal opinion/interpretation), whose judgment can initiate non-consensual interventions such as involuntary commitment (being arrested and held within an asylum). Topics that legally force the actions of mandatory reporters include but are not limited to simple thoughts of: self-harm, self-neglect, loss of personal agency, harming another person, or any inclination that can be argued as dangerous. While there is minor legal variance between states it is effectively guaranteed that all teachers, therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, physicians, nurses and most all other healthcare professionals are mandated reporters. Simply speaking of your past lived experience (an internal experience of the mind with zero evidence) can cause a series of irreversible systematic decisions to occur rendering you with fewer rights (if any) outside of the walls of an asylum. This, for life in some states in the US.

A Comparison of Wellness Strategies and Reported Outcomes:

Report on Improving Mental Health Outcomes (2023) Finds only 5% of medicated patients find states of recovery, this is a diminishing trend over time. Additionally, 40% of diagnosed people find wellness all on their own and away from psychiatric care. More so 80% of these individuals find wellness when exposed to programs such as Open Dialogue, Soteria, and other methods paralleling the Hearing Voices Network’s methods. This is not one small study: the 55-page report synthesizes well over 100 sources spanning more than half a century of psychiatric research, including randomized trials, 15-20 year longitudinal studies, systematic reviews, national mortality datasets, and decades-long evaluations of alternatives such as Soteria and Open Dialogue. Collectively, the underlying literature encompasses many thousands (and through population-level studies, potentially hundreds of thousands) of individual patient records, although the report does not calculate a deduplicated participant total.

To further supplement the Open Dialogue/HearingVoicesNetwork approach see: This Video Explaining the Open Dialogue approach where more than 85% of participants report wellness into full recovery within 5 years. Less than 10% of participants take any medications at all during their involvement, generally the only medications prescribed are sleep aids over the first 2 weeks of participation (again for less than 10% of participants). Through discussion and real community, peers help to mend each other’s mental burdens.

Obviously, it would only follow that if you were interested in getting well you ought to consider just going to a few of the meetings linked to all over this subreddit. Here is our 7-day calendar, this is also linked in every AutoModerator comment in every thread.

Time-dependent effect of antipsychotic discontinuation and dose reduction on social functioning and subjective quality of life (2023) A Lancet-family, preregistered systematic review and meta-analysis of 35 studies involving 5,924 people, with follow-ups ranging from one month to 15 years. Researchers compared continued antipsychotic maintenance with dose reduction/discontinuation, specifically examining social functioning and quality of life rather than simply symptom suppression or relapse. Across all studies there was no significant overall advantage for either approach, but a striking pattern emerged with time: studies lasting 2–5 years significantly favored reduction/discontinuation for social functioning, and studies beyond 5 years favored it even more strongly. The authors therefore found evidence that the apparent functional advantage of maintenance treatment decreases and reverses as follow-up becomes longer, directly challenging conclusions drawn exclusively from short-term drug trials. More so it is strongly implied that the initial positive reports (very early in administration) are a result of a placebo’s effect. There’s no measurement happening here, its just patients saying “yes I feel better” or “no I don’t.” Additionally, there’s the phenomenon of involuntary commitment and hope for freedom granted in tandem with wellness. It seems very dubious that any short-term self-reported benefits are genuine.

Report on Improving Mental Health Outcomes (2023) [LEFT] - Time-dependent effect of antipsychotic discontinuation and dose reduction on social functioning and subjective quality of life (2023) [RIGHT]

On Being a Healthy Member of a Community and What Makes a Community Healthy:

A Parallel - The Deaf Community: For centuries, Deaf people were commonly treated primarily as defective individuals requiring correction rather than as people capable of defining their own experience, language, culture, and institutions. Deaf people increasingly organized around a radically different proposition: nothing about us without us; their language belonged to them, their communities belonged to them, and hearing authorities should not possess exclusive authority to determine what a successful Deaf life looked like. The National Association of the Deaf was founded by Deaf leaders in 1880 to defend sign language and collective self-determination after hearing educators attempted to suppress signing; Deaf schools and institutions subsequently became crucial spaces where a shared language, culture, and political identity could flourish. The struggle culminated symbolically in Deaf President Now (1988), when Gallaudet students successfully demanded that the world's leading Deaf university finally be led by a Deaf person; 124 years after its founding. The Hearing Voices Movement proposes a strikingly similar transfer of authority: experiencers are not merely objects to be studied, diagnosed, managed, or spoken for; they can organize, educate one another, develop their own language for their experiences, run their own communities, and possess expertise that cannot be replaced by professional observation from the outside.

Many paralleling peer-support communities seem to be devoted to the emotional turmoil of internalized social disconnection. These spaces seem collectively in the grips of a crippling emotional dependency. There certainly are ethos out there (contemporary and historical) that lead vulnerable people out of this social station.

The Rules of Community/Friendship: This 27-minute video explains core concepts of Game Theory. If you watch the video you’ll see there are 4 hierarchical behavioral tests present in any social setting. Whether you are attempting to make friends at school, find the best romantic partner, gain a raise at your job, simply get a job, make the most through investing… ANY SOCIAL SETTING; the rules that govern success are as follows:

1. Be honest and share/trade fairly and forthrightly
2. Don’t help others who do not do rule 1
3. The first to forgive appropriately wins the most
4. Don’t collaborate with others you cannot make sense of and be easy to read yourself.

That’s it, that’s all there is to it. If you can’t make sense of your voices perhaps it makes sense to disregard them. If you can’t make sense of someone you are employing to help you with your voices perhaps stop paying them. If your friends and family won’t tell you things you’d tell them perhaps you should take that as a hint. Most all the vulnerable people in the HVN and paralleling mental health spaces are themselves victims of survived abuse and other neglect.

Lastly, a few of the subreddits devoted to illness frameworks are boldly and unashamedly run by people who’ve worked in these aforementioned eugenics industries. There is little to nothing to suggest that these spaces should be looked at as actual peer-led support. It is routine in these spaces for members to flatly diagnose each other and direct each other to seek specific compounds by name brand. Paring this behavior with the above studies that prove how certain the harm is from doing this; the terms “lay malpractice” and “class action lawsuit” come to mind.

A response to this post titled: Are psych meds the modern eugenics and sterilization of undesirables?

Yes the psychiatric industry sure is, this history is well documented. I find the majority of the world all already know this. Here's my story of how my weird family lured me home to help them in a move between addresses and then had authorities arrest me in the middle of the night and have me legally labeled SMI (Seriously Mentally Ill). Had I not been able to flee the state afterward I would still be enduring the akathisia I and all the other "patients" displayed in the asylum. You owe it to yourself to watch that akathisia clip (20 seconds) if you've never experienced it, nor seen it first hand. It is unyielding (24/7) and for many it remains long after the drugs have stopped being administered, potentially for the rest of their painful life. Again, people are well, peaceful, hoping to be released, and this physical state is medicated into them and the "clinicians" check a box that the drugs are working. This is the goal. The state manufactures special needs people as a form of punishment provided your family can frame you in the right light. There was no evidence needed other than their 20 seconds of "yeah, he's a danger to himself or others" via a phone call. My family knew with certainty what they were doing to me, my sister use to work at the asylum I was held.

It's a vile system, full of physical abuse and bold face lies. A clinician told me there that my insanity was the result of bad posture. I don't have bad posture either, just to clarify.

They stole my "person hood" in a legal sense (the state from hence fourth holds total say over my medical treatments and freedom from asylum walls, obviously I'm never returning to Arizona and still deal with the fear I may be taken back there) and forced me on astoundingly painful medications, injections that if I declined would have resulted in physical force. Then for the rest of my life (after release) I was forever to be on an effective parole where these injections were administered once per month. Armed police officers are involved if you miss an injection.

THERE IS ZERO STRETCH OF THE WORD when calling this system and the people running it EUGENICISTS, more vile than any Nazi or Stazi we've been taught to disdain from our public education. Disgusting.

Free of this moronic system I still function as a SENIOR LEVEL ENGINEER and significant figure in a global social movement. The system does not care, all the people I dealt with displayed some form of eccentric behavioral problem (sexism, racism, etc) as you would expect from other low lifes in society. Even my supposed "defense autourney" who simply told me to accept the court's decision and make no personal argument (which I did) upon first meeting sat across from me and boldly ripped ass without breaking eye contact. I could barely think or hear her even looking past her odd behavior due to the persistent screaming of other patients who are right there with you in the effective cell block. To put this all in perspective; do you think the average ICE agent has many redeeming qualities? What if these imagined ICE agents grabbed you in the middle of the night and had the authority to make up a bunch of stuff to "assess" you while you simply sat there and did as you were told the entire time. That's pretty much what it is for everyone that goes through this system.

It was as obvious as you might imagine, an extreme, unjust, and abusive mechanism more than happy to ruin the life of an effective innocent. It was business as usual.

I am one of the VERY lucky ones, there are so many others who are still needlessly lobotomized (easily seen as a crueler way to do it than before) by this system every day and nation wide. There are states in the US where I likely would have never been released (Oregon for instance) and no one aside from my abusive family would have ever known what happened to me.

EDIT: If you are interested in any data on the subject here's what may be the most all inclusive and perhaps only genuine attempt out there to determine the effect of these "medications."

REPORT ON IMPROVING MENTAL HEALTH OUTCOMES - Gottstein 2023

And

Time-dependent effect of antipsychotic discontinuation and dose reduction on social functioning and subjective quality of life–a multilevel meta-analysis - Schlier 2023

Gottstein (left) and Schlier (right)

It's about as unanimous as could be that antipsychotics make people disabled. My apologies if these ASTOUNDINGLY sided graphs aren't clear to you. The left side shows only 5% of people on antipsychotics find any manner of recovery and the right graph shows that no study on this question suggests anything good happens from their administration. These graphs are the culmination of just about every study that's ever been done on the subject, the results of data drawn from many other studies. Over 7 million subjects and decades of follow up (right side). The system certainly knows what it has been up to when no one's ever gotten well under its supervision.

Again, EUGENICS.

When I first made my reddit account my voices attempted to scare me into deleting my account many times over the first year or so. They told me the government was going to have me disappeared or that some occult group was going to track me down and do horrible things to me for all kinds of reasons. They even later pivoted to convince me it was going to be "hacked" and that someone else was going to present themselves as me and write very undermining things online. Like anyone gives a damn about my reddit account or what I say here...

So after hiding all my posts, un-hiding all my posts, setting up two factor authentication (this is comparable to some levels of military grade encryption... I do not think anyone's going to hack that) and then reverting back to a non-paranoid state with a long sarcastic phrase for a password alone. I wonder:

Do your voices similarly attempt to get you to delete your accounts, prevent you for sharing your story, remove the record of your lived experience from the internet to hide your truth from others?

I continue to find the accounts I make connections with don't last very long. That these other users delete their accounts in time AND not only delete their account but remove all their old content. I can only suspect their voices harassed them into doing this.

One of my earliest posts on this site was at r/AstralProjection, (a little over 5 years ago) and in the comments there would be users who would write "YES, THIS IS HAPPENING TO ME" etc and before I could even write back to them they would have deleted their account. Worse was the accounts that messaged me privately only to delete their account before I could respond. Once even in the writing to them (as I was writing the message to that user) their account would be there and then deleted before I could hit send. And certainly I was sensing an intrusive bother that seemed pissed I was making connections to anyone. It seemed clear as day to me that the "delusion/hallucination" that spoke in English words I'd never heard before and displayed every sense of sentience was in fact real and manipulating other people in my world. These circus acts were not isolated just to Reddit...

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You're all welcome to your own take on things, the history of these absurd message strings is still up as is the rest of the shit I had to go through with this account. False associations to satanism, starting a cult, that I'm associated with other moderators I've never met who would later get banned from this site, needing to put up with being banned on sight from most every spiritual or mental wellness subreddit... This is an odd platform full of volunteer astotrufing, and so much of the mental health space leads so many people to harm... it's absurd.

This is that post I initially made where users would be removing themselves before I could even write to them... Certainly seen this elsewhere with my time here on reddit.

Interested to see what you think, all the best!

Anyone here ever performed a summoning ritual?

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I've written here a number of times over the past few years about having done this/being led to do this by my initial voices. That inviting a "spirit guide" of sorts to join me in the fight to regain my mind/life led me to make great sense of this affliction and to see a similar magical prism that is reiterated both in academia and in most contemporary art.

The ritual I performed was very ad hoc and in my memory/experience it was both very casual/pedestrian AND rather devout/solemn. I spent 3 days/nights consuming lots of cannabis, a small amount of red wine, and meditating by candle light in the evening. I can't imagine a single clinician would want to condone any of what I did, and certainly not in front of another professional for fear of losing their license. I put some blood onto a piece of paper and wrote a simple invitation to anything that would want to join me in my mind/life. I burned a similar note every night. To my surprise they showed up and have since shown me the difference between myself and the intrusive bothers. I would not trade anything for them, nor do I suspect I even could rid myself of these guides even if I wanted to.

These new parts of me were able to show me amazing things and in little time. Like scrying, that the constant manic agitated aspect of my mind was never me at all, that the internal monologue was always something separate/self aware/and vying against me in the long run. Later on we play Go against each other, play music together, even write these posts together. It's a very supportive thing.

There are COUNTLESS songs about such relationships of the mind, to the point most people assume these songs are in fact about other things... to offer one example (an old song; 1934) Marcels - Blue Moon is about this kind of mental experience, if you read the lyrics it's obvious... yet there's not a single article one can find online that speaks of this song's meaning. I too see a "ring around the moon" when I look at night. To offer the first song that came to mind when I first sat down to write (again, I've shared so many of these tracks here over the last 3 or so years... this stuff is everywhere, the Weeknd, Rihanna, Eminem, Megadeath, Sarah McLaughlin, the entire international "darkwave" music scene... again, if you're in the know it's impossible not to find this stuff) here's Angel Witch - Angle Witch.

Have you ever done anything like this?

(I'm restrained by one of my voices from a sarcastic remark... "nah dude, that shits the devil and I love eating at McDonald's, that's what we're about")

EDIT: Mysticism is NOT satanism or even evil or anything. Every christian sermon performs a mystic rite when they do communion and everyone eats the bread and sips the wine... there's lots of mystic practice in every religion and every society. Even the pledge of allegiance is a mystic rite, or think of graduation ceremonies...

We have a very silly community here under the HVN banner, seemingly self-aware enough to not even say anything as to avoid exposing everyone's governing agendas. It's heart breaking to see the most vetted and widely praised paths to wellness get ignored here and even down-voted while alarmist vinegar naps and encouragements to attack your neighbors get traction... After 3 years of this unwavering behavior all I have to offer most of you is that you're damn bizarre. No parallel to this carousel.

On Friday, September 4, 2026 from 4 to 7pm Eastern (1 to 4pm Pacific), Roots Up will be participating in the world premiere of Disposable Humanity. 

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Most people in the United States have heard of the Nazi Holocaust during which millions of Jewish people were murdered. However, only a small fraction of them have heard about Aktion T4.

Aktion T4 was a Nazi program of systematic mass murder targeting people with psychiatric, neurological, intellectual, and physical disabilities. Beginning in 1939, people living in hospitals and institutions were selected for death by medical professionals and killed through gassing, lethal drugs, and starvation. The program became a precursor to methods later used in the Holocaust.

Although the start of T4 preceded the Nazi concentration camps, many people responsible for these murders were never held accountable and the losses still have not been fully recognized. This film is a critical step in that direction.

Roots Up has been working with Director, Cameron S. Mitchell, to create opportunity for our community to participate in this important event.

We will be offering a limited supply of free tickets to participate in the global premiere including the live Q&A that follows.

See here for tickets

Anyone else here do Zero Carbs? What's your favorite foods?

The image below is something I still eat 1 to 4 days a week but before (when I was eating healthier in my eyes) it was what I had every morning.

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Gim, beef sausage, eggs, cheese, kimchi, and hot sauce. All I was able to buy at the local grocery store. I've been eating this zero carb breakfast (and rather financially responsibly) and easily sourcing the ingredients in Arizona, California, Oregon, and Texas. I assume the rest of the country these ingredients can be found rather easily too. I cook everything in a single cast iron skillet (EASY WIN EASY LIFE) and then put the kimchi and the gim on the plate afterward. Talk about "yum!"

Please ignore this documentation of slovenliness... I generally eat at a kitchen table... I was in a hurry today and snapped this at my desktop along side a naughty as fuck AZ Iced Tea.

Thoughts?

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Devil In Me - On The Grind

Love this album, found it spoke of a similar spiritual prism I hold and of the virtues that led me to wellness and out of the jaws of death countless times. With tracks titled "will," and "never give in" I hope you will see there are many who've walked a similar path to you and have found the strength within themselves to overcome this affliction.

Do any of the above links resonate with you?

I've collected MANY more hardcore albums that also speak of a spiritual torment, holding the lyrics "voices in my head" and similar. Complied into a playlist, all these are green and purple on their album covers just to give you an idea of how much art there is out there devoted to this burden. As of today it's at 1,171 songs.

All the best!

Hi friends, here is the newest Parawareness video, which tells the basics of my Targeted Individual story, the ontological shock which comes with this experience, and how - in the beginning - we think our thoughts are the "words we say in our heads" but this phenomenon actually deals with our instinctive thoughts, the thought behind the thought, or our Sponsoring Thoughts.

I hope you'll go support the video on YouTube, Rumble, or Spotify. Or, if you believe in what we're doing, support it on all 3 platforms!

Pinched is a beautifully strange 11-minute animation about a man who hears voices and has become remarkably functional while stricken by a profoundly dysfunctional relationship with them. Jack moves through an underground city as a gifted pickpocket, accompanied by entities that cajole, insult, command, and seemingly possess considerably more confidence about the direction of his life than he does. I can certainly relate to much of this and am sure many here can too.

Then something unexpected interrupts the arrangement: human connection.

A stolen object reconnects Jack with a woman from his past, and suddenly the unquestioned authority of his voices isn't so unquestioned anymore. The story becomes less about whether the voices are "real" and more about who gets to decide what Jack does next.

That distinction is probably the reason I'd recommend this to voice-hearers. The film gives the experience form without spending eleven minutes litigating its ontology. Jack's world is simply presented as Jack experiences it.

I do have one substantial HVN-ish criticism of it: the official synopsis ultimately frames love as defeating the voices and even as a "cure" for Jack's sickness. That's a fairly conventional psychiatric/redemption ending grafted onto a film that, for most of its runtime, is doing something much more interesting.

I'd rather read the ending as agency instead of cure.

Jack doesn't triumph because someone proves his voices aren't real. He discovers that their instructions aren't sovereign. There are other relationships, other motivations, and other possible ways of being in the world.

For an 11-minute cartoon, that's an unusually rich depiction of voice-hearing.

And visually it's fantastic, angular, grimy, exaggerated, vaguely noir, with Jack's internal experience bleeding naturally into the physical environment. It feels much closer to somebody attempting to show you what an experience feels like from inside it than making a clinical illustration of schizophrenia.

I suspect given the tone and candor of this short film that it was directed/made by people who've walked a very similar path to all of us here. In many ways this film proves and I hope shows you how surmountable this hellish affliction is.

Thank you for believing in yourself, love to see your thoughts!

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Wanted to share this album I just came across State Power - Spoils of Empire

If you can't make out the lyrics (that to me so CLEARLY speak to the essential spiritual prism that leads to wellness/destiny) to the pre-released tracks on this album you can take note of the track titles below:

Spoils of Empire

The Sin of Empathy

Brain Bug

Schizoscene

I see in these artist's work a statement on the modern human condition and the spiritual bout all are gripped by here in the west. That we are handed the opulent keys to a wondrous life, we can seek, learn, and share like no other humans before us. Yet at this unparalleled empowerment our choices lead to consequences. That life here in modern times is like a donkey island of the mind and if we lunge fourth with little desire to strike back at the forces of mediocrity and the echelons beneath (evil) we are sure to be cast aside in the grand scheme of things.

I love the call to meaning in these few released tracks, the call to dispense with self limiting empathy. My voices and I say "the greatest prejudice is a willed naivety." Additionally I have posted here a few times in the past about what is essential for a healthy community in terms of Game Theory, and the undoing "sin" of blindly helping any and all else. I really love the hyperlinked Vertasium video for sharing the bare minimum 4 rules of engagement in any social scenario that determine the success or failure of each individual and the broader collective. It's all a rather simple game (for you and what I believe to be spirits) if you can sit through that 20 minute video. The relevance to you and your plight should be self evident in State Power's tracks "brain bug" and "schizoscene."

Interested to hear if anyone here cares to listen and offer their own take on this body of work. I see much love for the same spiritual prisms I too hold.

All the best!

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I grew up in the Arizona Hardcore scene. At some point in middle school I went to my first show, and from then and well into my mid 20's I would be at some DIY music event (usually a rented storage unit in Phoenix or Tempe) most weekend nights. Later in my mid 30's I suffered a skull fracture that brought about a host of bizarre mental phenomena. I would experience intelligent personalities that I could see, hear, and feel, and who could tell me things about the world I did not otherwise know, stuff I could look up on google or wikipedia. Mind blowing stuff. These things showed me a world of magic, and led me to see most all the music I had been listening to my entire life had (unbeknownst to me) been full of little hints and direct language to the very phenomenon that I was now experiencing. If you go to the metal archives website and type in "voices in my head" or similar direct language into their lyrics search bar you'll find thousands, upwards of 10's of thousands of songs that contain your single searchs. Here's a Spotify playlist that is just green and purple album covers that all contain these and similar lyrics and are conceptually devoted to this exact narrative. I barely tried when putting this together, the stuff is everywhere, it's at over 1K songs that fit this very niche criteria and from the niche hardcore genre.

I offer the above exposition to give context. Provided what I survived in 2017 (head injury/abuse) I later became a Hearing Voices Network facilitator. It's a scattered network largely of psychiatry survivors who function through non-for-profits and work to make community for the similarly mentally afflicted. We're trying to save lives, prevent self harm, ease the burden, and end the torture for other people going through the same thing we were once almost ended by. Today I function as an Engineer and have pivoted most of my efforts to networking between the separate non-for-profits and maintaining a subreddit devoted to this cause.

I try and share this world of art that speaks directly to what many are going through. Many times even offering things like "WOW, what you just said... Here's a song with the exact lyrics of what you just said!" to people in network. The history of this is all over that subreddit I help moderate. I feel like this is INSANE, like there is living proof of the supernatural that hangs upon our very breath; yet I share this and I'm almost universally met with blank stares and silence... Wouldn't it blow your mind to know the majority of your favorite bands were all talking about something that you now have access to? And that the broader public can't ever seem to comprehend, no matter how repetitive and pervasive it was, no matter how often the exact same words were written and put to music? I'm reminded of that scene in "They Live," what a fucking bizarre world. It's like the beginning of every childhood adventure movie I've ever seen, yet not another soul I can share this with seems to "get it."

Just now, maybe 30 minutes ago from writing this post, I found this thread on the HVN subreddit. It's someone looking to see if anyone else experiences the same "seemingly sentient hallucinations" and involuntary muscle movements in their mouth/throat that they do. I'll quote them and my comment below:

"Do you experience tongue/larynx movement when the voices speak?

One of the first thing I noticed when I hear the voices is involuntary movements around my tongue and the back of my throat. It's similar to the normal subvocalization motions.

Subvocalization is the process of inaudibly articulating speech with your speech organs. It is an inherent part of reading. Think of it as the inner voice you might hear while reading.

Subvocalization involves much more than just thinking words as you read them. It involves physical body parts, including eyes, lips, throat, tongue, vocal cords, jaws, and larynx! 

from This Blog also Wikipedia has a section on it.

Do you also experience this involuntary movement?"

I write this below in their comments:

"I've had this too, I've even written to other posts about this in their comments in just the last week or two. Obviously I've touched upon this topic with others into the more distant past. When I first came across your (this) post I thought you were re-posting the same topic, there's been a rash of users who post the same questions every day and don't seem to respond to any of the people who write to them... "HVN'ers" can be a frustrating group to simply try and maintain relations with.

Sorry to point accusation in your direction... Anyhow, there's a band called the Twitching Tongues that are clearly named after this very experience. This isn't a small act by any means, if you follow metal/punk/hardcore and look to your local town/city's shows or follow groups on Spotify you'd certainly come across this group. They hail from a subculture I can't seem to get a single "HVN'er" to even acknowledge, what I'm calling "experiencing hardcore." It's an ENTIRE GENRE OF MUSIC that speaks to this very phenomenon. I've been sharing earth shattering facts just like this about this world of experience and have generally been banned/censored from the broader mental health space. At best it seems the very subreddit I moderate can both ignore me and the anchoring facts of the world that would otherwise lead people to wellness. I've posted the playlists I have from already niche genres that push over half a week's worth of play time all with lyrics and context that speak directly to this affliction and how to overcome it. I can't get people to say anything about it or at least upvote the evidence that indeed you are real, your experience is real, and there's a real world out there that reports what you do too. Like a collective coverup by a gathering of deliberate and defaultly special needs covert operatives.

It's like you're all possessed or something...

To test we are cast, a self blinding mass ⸸

EDIT: Before the cross of Saint Peter the Apostle (the dagger mark "⸸") bothers you or anyone else here, I would urge you to wikipedia the subject. It's a symbol strewn throughout western media and is generally (EVEN IF NOT STATED AS SUCH) associated as a "satanic" symbol. It is not. Just read the lyrics if you can't hear what they are saying, it's all about this mental burden, living in a world where you are privately tortured. Just as Saint Peter the Apostle was crucified by the state (the Romans) and crucified upside down to degrade him in his death, we too are made effective criminals in the eyes of the state and are forced to live a spiritually/mentally afflicted existence. Too many people that I've given a strong sell on these subcultures to have reeled at these symbols while having no understanding of their origins or the more direct meaning of the art surrounding them. There's no discussion of praising evil (doing harm for the sake of harm) or of giving up on what is known to be good. It's an acknowledgment that we live in an orchestrated world and that evil is a real thing and prevails too easily among willingly dim individuals.

All the best, to you, I'm sorry for your current torment. I ignored it as best I could and it eventually went away/faded out (I assume these evil beings burn themselves out and into nothing doing dumb shit like this). You're welcome to look at my profile if you're interested in the methods that relieved the pain/stress the fastest."

Would it interest you to know the paralleling evidence to so many acts is out there? Would you be interested to know how many successful artists in this world are living in a nigh private hell, seeing things, and feeling things no-one else can? Knowing that if they were to flat out tell the wrong doctor about this they would be locked up, perhaps for the rest of their life? What an odd world for them, to go on tour, stand on stage, have their work on the radio, YouTube, Spotify and have so few people understand the literal meaning to their lyrics or the genuine sentiment to the visuals on their album covers. Is this a new perspective 4 any of you?

Over this past year (2026) I have had a host of mental faculties find me again. I consider myself well. Certainly I would consider myself better off than any functioning alcoholic, avid Cannabis user, or even the average American. Back in 2019 and into 2021 I would have extreme pains, delirium, an inability to sleep that amounted to less than 8 hours per week, I would pass out standing up, I would go blind, I would go numb. I lost my ability to read, write, count to 10, even talk due to the absurdly loud and hurtful intrusive thoughts I assume to be a form of spiritual possession/"bicameral state." All this amidst voices that seemed to accurately predict my life's future events (what people would say, do, wear, even what state I would be living in next, etc...). For anyone interested in notions of seeing the future I would suggest the colossal body of evidence seen in the r/remoteviewing community, or even in contemporary pieces of art. There is a movie called "i pet goat ii" that predicts many global events prior to their occurrence including the burning down and accurate portrayal of the Notre-Dame Cathedral's collapse. All this presented on an international stage and acclaimed (they won awards) 7 years prior to the events of the fire, other events perhaps even prognosticated further into the future.

I offer the above to give context. Today I function and have for years now as an Engineer working in the semiconductor industry. I'm doing great and have written plenty as to how I got here. Largely though stoicism, a self improvement lifestyle, 24 hour fasting on a carnivore diet, and the practice of ad-hoc mediumship/mysticism. There are many other cultural heroes who've walked these paths and who reiterate similar strategies that led them to their successes and wellness. The Canadian behavioral psychologist/professor/author J Peterson is my "go to" as his texts speak directly to the nature of belief, magic, and how to overcome this burden from his academically vetted background. I see the same spiritual prism from my own mind in the works of so many artists from around the world. I would suggest to anyone reading this that there is a broad and expansive subculture of people who experience this phenomena functioning quite well even if in private/secret. It is unclear to me how many of these artists who make confessional works have any in their life/orbit who know of this phenomenon. Evidence of them is glaring through the sub-cultural symbolism seen in most all music cultures. The lyrics to so many songs contain the direct language "voices/spirit in my head" or similar. I've written about this exact situation for years now and have met unreasonable censorship most everywhere I post it online. Here are a few playlists just to give you an idea of how easy it is to find this music. The following links contain Sotify playlists and in total these playlists approach a week's worth of songs that all have such lyrics/undeniable themes. AND these albums are just the ones I find that are green and purple, again just to underscore how much of this stuff is out there. These are just the albums that are green and purple that I come across, these are a very narrow selection of what can easily be found. Bizarre that in recent past posting these works along side an analysis of the lyrical content reliably has me met with a ban most everywhere. Leadership points to "encouraging delusions," "affiliate links" (like anyone's getting paid to share a link to a song...) just about any excuse you'd expect of a special needs bigot. The words I share simply mean what they do... None of it is against "site rules."

Green & Purple ⸸ Experiencing New Wave

Green & Purple ⸸ Experiencing Hardcore

Green & Purple ⸸ Experiencing Psyche Rock

My last word on the topic of censorship and online "mental health" communities is that these spaces are run by absolute weirdos. Self appointed maintainers of a propagandized world view who falsely hide behind notions of "site rules" or "relationship with site admins." One of the largest of these mental health spaces is run by someone who openly identifies as a former "schitzo wrangler" as they previously worked as an orderly in a prior career path. This all looks to be the most antithetical "wellness peer space" imaginable. How disgusting that this person not only needlessly makes up rules but also selectively enforces them upon the community they survey. It a phrase all this is pro bono systematic abuse. None of what I write or many others who no longer have accounts goes/went against site rules. Where as actively encouraging the prescription/seeking/directing to life altering medications and all but (and often directly) diagnosing others seems to be the makings of the largest class action lawsuit and manner of lay-malpractice happening in our society. A completely needless group of "boot-lickers" with weaponized paternal instincts, parading around like some public servants. These people are gross and they maintain an extremely narrow view of the psychiatric/eugenic industry. They actively stamp out paralleling communities and seek to get tangential community leaders banned, it's hideous. The conversation in these spaces is decades behind what would likely be found in any real practitioners office. I can only speculate as to the tens of thousands of reddit users effectively led into the clutches of this archaic societal apparatus who otherwise would have found wellness without these fools.

To circle back to why I made this post. I find many of these artists speak to a cutting truth that I too hold dear. They speak to the importance of love and belief and reject the ideological trappings many lesser minds would impose upon you or I. As I discover new artists and find new validations in their paralleling sentiment I also find former stats of mind continue to return. Clarities/abilities of my early adulthood. Additionally I find the states of mind and sensations of illnesses from my childhood are perfectly rehashed. Like the state of mind I held deep within fever dreams of adolescence found me again to assure me they were still holding back a torrent of evil sensations, and that the "adventure of life was real." I remain astonished by the familiarity and memory of my childhood sensations. Some of my voices speak of harassing each other. I reject much of what IFS teaches and see it all to be a supporting argument for a debilitating emotional dependency. I suspect these encouraging beings (the ones I encounter and read in other's accounts) are steely-eyed and need little to no reassurance from me. That the "self" coddling promoted by the IFS community and others is all some bizarre game of self paternalism to ultimately deny/erode/harm the end human practitioner. All the same I see these former and astoundingly helpful spirits of my childhood returning and continually pursued by former ill states in recent weeks.

I believe we are all connected in profound ways. This is a belife supported by the growing trend among academic philosophers surrounding the phrase "panpsychism" and actually dates back to ancient Greece. I see a future (provided we are not all oppressed to a staggering degree by contemporary oligarchs or technocratic disruptive technology) where it will be impossible not to see the connections between us, and hold fast to the evidence of the supernatural interwoven into all our lives. A new age of human understanding, a world for a new mind ushered in by technology and connectivity.

I am numbed by the realization that the Hearing Voices Movent and paralleling Hearing Voices Network largely caters to a disabled and medicated population. Again, I say all this as someone who could not talk, read, write, nor count to 10 at my lows. The evidence that psychiatry is a development of eugenics theory is a matter of easily found (wikipedia, youtube, podcasts by psychiatrists, etc) modern history. The evidence that ~5% of people who take medications for psychosis ever return to a state of functionality is the most informed assessment by over 7 million subjects, over 80 years of observation, and decades of follow up per participant. These same studies (that do account for severity and are linked all over the HVN subreddit) also show that half of the population that experiences an extreme break from reality warranting diagnosis simply return to normal on their own and away from psychiatry. Furthermore, showing that peer led community leads more than 80% to wellness in less than 5 years (provided they are not on medications) is very promising. Yet it is depressing there is little to no contingent of this strategy within the HVN from my 6 or so years of involvement. In my view the colossal psychiatric apparatus of the west simply funnels forgone individuals into this space at an overwhelming rate, displacing any people who believe in or practice magic. Look to JBP's work on this subject, his texts effectively define magic as a form of studying the mind and meaning, it cascades into mystic practice quite easily. The HVN in 2026 remains a tower of babble and predominantly a display of cognitive dysfunction even among leadership. That said, HVN'ers are far nicer to hang out with than orderlies or abusive family members ;)

People worthy of diagnosis only occupy 2 to 3% of the global population, this compares to the between 25 and 50% of the global population who hear voices Et. al... It saddens me many days to know the formalized gathering space of the HVN is a collection of this human experience's (or at least the expression of the experience's) ghetto... There's not much conversion beyond "yes it does suck to be disabled, how's your new medication regime treating you?" I do not suspect it always was this way nor will it stay this way. I also suspect it is imperative to see the parasitic apparatus of western psychiatry to be humanity's greatest undermining tradition; additionally the same imperative to our individual survival to identify it as such. Shame on the alarmists, the isolators, the censors, the paternalistic anonymous ones who accuse expressions of these hard fought and respected truths to be villainous before simply casing the messenger out and carrying on to a self blinding mass.

*que the next "Do meds help with voices?" or "Why won't the side effects go away? Will I ever be able to have an orgasm again?" thread*

I hope these words help to validate some of you. I would be eager to hear if any of this connects with you out there. I've written here most days for the past 4 years or so. I am taken aback at the very meaningful connections I have made even if I am stunned by the numbers surrounding all this. Generally if 2000 people read a post, less than 5 people will ever vote or leave a comment on it here in "alternative mental health/spiritual" spaces. I'm disturbed to see the broad swaths of grey area trolls in paranoia/delusional thinking focused spaces like targeted energy weapons, V2K, and notions of occult gang stalking/gradual indoctrination spaces. All these spaces seem run by non experiencers who've found narratives to pedal as to anonymously harass/harm vulnerable people through via internet. I find it telling that no cross examination is allowed in these ideologically inept and dim world view echo chambers. I have my suspicions for many that boast user numbers in the multiples of hundreds of thousands... a handful of NEETs could easily AstroTurf such communities with a few hundred dollars to act out some perverse and abusive thrills.

Observations of the darker/lamer side of humanity aside I do hope this finds you well. I believe magic to be real, inescapable, even if largely ignored by western society and more so toward the bottom. I'd love to hear what you think of the music. I see this world as so evidently full of accessible magic yet the broader population can't seem to acknowledge it. This message obviously is also carried by brash and exasperated members of the public who make a forward carrying conversation impossible to maintain.

All the best to all of you!