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If you’re one of the 90% of people who buy this car to sit in a warehouse and not drive it, skip over this. This isn’t for you, and you’re an embarrassment to the human race.
If you’re someone else, keep reading. I have a 2025 GT3RS that I almost exclusively track. These cars are an absolute weapon on track and relatively easy to drive at the limit. But here is what will happen. You’ll learn to drive it at the limit. Then, you’ll realize that you need to be in an actual race car. You’ll want slicks. You’ll want to be able to race wheel to wheel. You’ll now own a car that is meant for the track, but also doesn’t really belong on the track.
If this is your goal, skip the GT3RS and work on acquiring the new 911 Challenge Car or just scoop up a used 992.1 Cup Car. Both are faster. Both are cheaper.
Thank you,
The Management
First and foremost, even though I’m not going to go this route, yes I realize that I should just buy a bunch of Spec Miatas. I am officially opening this by acknowledging Miata/86/BRZ superiority.
Now that we have that out of the way, it’s time for NASA comp school for me, which means it’s time to scoop up a caged car. My Porsche street cars will no longer cut it. I have been scouring sources and the internet, and have narrowed it down to two cars.
A 2024 Cup Car with 0 hours on the engine and 23 on the chassis/gearbox with no major incidents. This car also comes with VBOX, PTT, and a lot of spare parts. ABS of course and the option to install TC, which I would do, especially for the rain, since I’m not able to run it in Carrera Cup anyways. This car has had two minor incidents, both from getting too rowdy when the green dropped and puncturing the front radiator. Tub is perfect.
Or
A 2019 GT2RS Clubsport. It’s currently in Germany and Manthey just did a 12.5 hour inspection on it and deemed it great. It has 6000km on it. Manthey added a second Recaro seat, which I would need for Comp School. It’s never been raced, only track day miles. Instead of a sequential gearbox, it has PDK and a street car motor, of course, so maintenance intervals aren’t nearly as intensive. Clearly this car has ABS and TC but also has ESC, which I must say, is comforting but probably not needed. Also, only 40 of these exist in America, so that’s pretty cool. But also, will make getting parts way trickier than a Cup Car when I bang it up, which I will do.
My path next season is NASA racing GT class. Both of these cars work for that. But also, TT. The GT2RS Clubsport will certainly be TTGT, but the Cup Car can perhaps fall into TT1, which would be hilarious. Even my 992 GT3RS cannot be TT1 because of the active aero, so it is a TTGT car.
Also, as much as I want to jump in a Cup Car and fucking send it, I am worried about running without team support. I think I could manage it with a buddy, but certainly could not extract everything out of the car without analyzing data and making adjustments that are way beyond my knowledge.
What would you do?
I currently run my 992 GT3RS in Time Trials but I want to move to wheel to wheel, so I need a race car. Not that it will influence my decision, but curious what the community would choose here and why. (photo for attention as I swap pads and rubber for the track tomorrow)
This was the final session of the weekend. I had a ride-along with me from the HPDE2 group. I had to take T1 off-line because I was completing a pass. This was the 18th heat cycle on these Troffeo RS’s, so pretty happy with a 1:30. I’m back at Mid-Ohio for open lapping on Thursday with new rubber, pretty confident in laying down a 1:28. I can see plenty of mistakes in this lap with my untrained eye, which is re-assuring that there is plenty more time left on the table in this car.
This was the last session of the weekend and I had a ride-along from the NASA HPDE2 group (cool ass kid who is pretty fast in his BRZ). My Troffeo RS’s had 20 heat cycles in them. I had to take turn 1 off-line because of a pass on the front straight and short shift coming into the esses, but still ran a 1:30. I am back at Mid-Ohio on Thursday with new tires and I am very confident I can lay down a 1:28. This car is a weapon.
Excited about a very long weekend at one of my favorite places in the country. I’ll be unloading tomorrow night for 10/10th Thursday then NASA all weekend. I am a little bummed that NASA seems to be running all Pro Course, but other than that I’m stoked. Looking at some data, the main thing I need to work on is turn 1. I feel like I am braking too late and over-slowing. On average, I’m entering at 91-95 mph and I should be able to easily be entering at 105-110. My plan is to attack it with no brakes coming off the front straight, just letting off throttle later each time, to train myself to trust the speed through it. I would love more opinions on how to tackle not being slow as shit in that turn. Also, hope to see a lot of you there.
I have so much respect for people who can just jump in any car and be fast instantly. I spend a lot of real life hours on Mid-Ohio in my GT3RS. Since I am considering switching to a 718 gt4rs Clubsport, I jumped in one in Mid-Ohio last night on the sim thinking I’d immediately be on pace. I wasn’t. I’m so accustomed to that rear engine pendulum effect to rotate the car that I was a slow understeering mess. If it would have been real life, I would have went through 3 sets of front slicks lol
Did it take you a while to adjust to the fact that you have to sacrifice a lot on entry compared to a 911 but you gain it back on exit?
I know that gold is the clear choice for pure aesthetics. But this thing never sees the street and I’m thinking of going red because why not!?! (Also, red is in stock in Philadelphia but gold is on back order with no disclosed date)
I currently track a 992 GT3RS and am about to start doing time trials in it. However, I need to pick a path for wheel to wheel and I’m considering a GT4RS Clubsport, even though the new GT4 Clubsport will be a 911. Anyone had experience tracking both a 911 GT car and a GT4RS Clubsport?
Very underrated grassroots track. I had a blast. Dan killed it when he built this little oasis in the middle of nowhere. He’s a solid dude, too.
Ran a bunch of 1:35’s after the couple sessions it took me to fully grasp 7-8-9. It shouldn’t have taken me 40 minutes to get that series down, but it did. More importantly, I continued to meet so many amazing drivers and just flat out solid people.
I am extremely competitive and I know that sometimes I come off in way that rubs people the wrong way in this sport, but I’m truly just stoked to be around such a cool community of people who love to fuckin’ drive the piss out of things. Thanks to everyone in here who has given me tips along the way to help.
I’ve become a big fan of this community, so I’m looking for some honest feedback from people who’ve been through the NASA ladder.
I started with NASA Great Lakes this season. I skipped HPDE1 and started in HPDE2. I’ve only completed one HPDE2 weekend so far, and it was almost entirely in the rain at Mid-Ohio. This weekend I’m at Gingerman, and my first session is an instructor ride-along that’s intended to evaluate me for HPDE3 and move me for session 2.
I’ve put a bit of sim time into Gingerman and absolutely love the flow of the track, especially Turns 4-5 and 8-9. Obviously I know sim isn’t real life, but I’m stoked to see how fast 9 feels in real life.
After Gingerman, I’m back at Mid-Ohio in August for NASA again. Last week I was running consistent 1:32s on the Club Course in my GT3 RS with tires and brake pads that were both at the end of their life and only getting a few traffic free laps per sessions. Before the August event I’ll have fresh tires, fresh pads, a proper track alignment, and a corner balance. I am very confident I can easily run 1:30’s.
Looking at past NASA Great Lakes TT1 results, it seems like getting into the 1:30s would put me in the neighborhood of the front of TT1 at Mid-Ohio. Probably the winner most of the time. But I’ll probably lose .5 by locking out active aero.
My question is this: assuming the pace continues to come, is it realistic to go from essentially one HPDE2 weekend to HPDE4 and Time Trial eligibility in a single season? Or is that something that’s extremely uncommon regardless of demonstrating safety, awareness, and pace in DE?
I’m less interested in “anything is possible” answers and more interested in hearing from instructors, TT drivers, or people who’ve seen someone progress that quickly. Have you actually seen drivers only spend two weekends in DE3 and get moved to DE4?
I recently made a post in here about being shocked at all the “experienced” drivers that keep their PDK in auto mode on track. The responses in here mostly resembled “it’s faster, you’ll never shift better than Porsche.” That seemed like a statement that didn’t weigh all the variables, so I spent an entire day at Mid Ohio comparing both. Based on the telemetry data for my driving style, automatic mode is NOT faster. As a matter of fact, I’m consistently 2-3 tenths faster with the paddles. At Mid-Ohio, I attribute this to two different reasons. The main was in turn 1. It’s the highest speed corner on the racetrack, with my entry speed right around 100mph. In automatic mode, the car always chooses to downshift into third there, which has a tendency to unsettle the car. This is the same story coming out of Thunder Valley into the left hander before Carousel. So, in conclusion, use your paddles on track. Stick with it. It’s not only funner, but faster.
When I transitioned from sim racing to the track a few months ago, my only goal for the first season, on top of improving, was to sit atop the leader board on the Porsche Track Precision app. I accomplished that today with a 1:32.50. I still have a long way to go, because I’m sure there are plenty of GT3RS and GT4RS drivers who don’t use that app, but I learned a valuable lesson today. I was on Trofeo RS’s that were certainly at the end of their life and I could probably say the same for my stock brake pads. It was also scorching outside. I was much slower into the turns because of it and, by proxy, always prioritizing exit. Because I had no choice. And, by god, it produced my fastest lap yet. I’m very confident after a track alignment, new Trofeos, and switching to steels and track pads, that I can touch 1:29 this season. We’ll see. After Gingerman this month, I’m back at Mid Ohio in August and praying for good conditions. Anyways, thank you to everyone on this subreddit who has steered me in the right direction and been helpful. Such a cool fucking community.
One thing I’ve noticed about myself is that my pace is much more consistent in real life that it is on iRacing. But, of course, my hero laps are probably quicker on iRacing (no way to really know, even running the same tracks).
The reason for this is that I have a tendency to overdrive the car on iRacing. Psychologically, I’m sure that is because there is really no consequences other than an off track penalty and the occasional out of body experience where I’m both sitting in my car in the pit while also being towed to the pit. The result is driving much riskier which results in some great laps but also inconsistent pace (never at the expense of another person’s race, of course.) Anyone else struggle with this? Any advice?
Is pulling the fuse that controls the aero hydraulic pump and unplugging the actuator connectors sufficient? Should I have a shop fabricate pins or brackets? What’s the path here?
One of the instructors at the PCA event at Mid Ohio told me that I should change my line and cheat right towards the flag station after the exit in Keyhole because it shortens the track by a few feet and therefore is quicker. I’ve always stayed left until approaching the kink. I ran this by my buddy who used to race F1 and is probably one of the fastest ever at Mid Ohio and he said, and I quote,
“Some people do that line There is no difference in time and in a racing situation it would be easier to get passed. Also if you were racing in a pro race you would definitely stand out 🏁As you would be the only one on that line 😂”
I’m assuming the instructor was wrong based on the pedigree comparisons of both drivers. But what do you guys think?
Another great weekend in the books at Mid-Ohio. I’m getting very comfortable through madness/the esses and able to finally carry good speed into Thunder valley. Took me a few weekends to really grasp how one slight mistake in that sequence of turns can affect your time so much. So much fun.