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Think about it. In the 2010s — particularly 2019 — it was this ridiculous, fringe idea that was mostly defended by neo-Nazis, the ultra-far-right, the fringe racialist right. It was associated with the Christchurch mosque shooter, for Pete's sake.

IBÖ gathering in Austria, 2013

Now, only a few years later, parties with open remigration platforms such as Vlaams Belang won significant chunks of the Flemish Parliament and others in 2024 and the Finnish Deputy Prime Minister literally openly used the term when speaking of controlling immigration:

>"If a person vacations in a country they fled or sends their children there for cultural studies, it is clear to us that the right to asylum ends. Remigration (Paluumuutto) and strict immigration control are the most important measures that can prevent problems caused by immigration," Purra said.
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Further, in Britain, Rupert Lowe — an elected Member of Parliament — openly speaks of "reverse migration". He commands a party of 140,000 members, more people than the Conservatives today.

Not much even needs to be said of the AfD, which has entirely overtaken the CDU/CSU in polling by multiple digits and would destroy the firewall outright if they were elected now. The AfD has remigration as one of their bread-and-butter issues.

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This seems to me, out of all the psy-ops and attempts to make cleaner, more polite rhetoric, like "It's OK to be White", among others — the most successful.

Would love to hear your thoughts. Why is Remigration in particular so potent, and why did it become part of polite discourse? Are people just that tired of mass migration in Europe and elsewhere?

Reagan is consistently described as the most conservative Republican in the 1968 Republican primaries (to the right of Nixon, who's considered a far-right scion today) and in 1976 he essentially captured the entire far-right of the GOP and waged war against the Ford presidency. He was considered a far-right ultraconservative hawk at the time — and then went on to win enormous margins in 1980-1984, redefine the entire political coalition-building framework that both parties went with (the Democrats gave up on their blue-collar union and labour New Deal coalition and went with conservative Christians in Carter and neoliberal triangulation in the Klinton Kartel), and Reagan since then has become a paragon of moderate, bipartisan "Republicans when they were good"ism and other things of the sort. What gives? Especially given America has become a vastly more socially progressive country, you'd think he'd be hated.

Either way, Republicans in all of America refuse to criticise him as either too radical (perhaps in his ridiculous inflationary and irresponsible budgets) or too moderate (like when he gave millions of illegal immigrants infinity amnesty and citizenship) so why is he such a saint? Is it because he won too hard so now people want to bring that back? Most Reagan voters are too old or dead. Who cares! Please, let's think of new people to reference on the Right.

Let's say that by some insane miracle the GOP achieves an unthinkable, absolutely unimaginable landslide in 2024 and even flips the entire New Mexico House delegation. They have a veto-proof majority until January 2027 to lodge in as much stuff as possible into law.

What do they get through? Do Senators defect? What's the GOP's approval rating in November 2026? What happens to queer people? How many deportations does ICE achieve by 2027?

Would their approval ratings be enough to retain the House and Senate?

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Options explained in more detailed terms:

* A coalition of MKP/ANC-style "Rainbow Nation Conservatives" that favour DSA-style economics but want to ban abortion and make Spanish the 2nd official language of America; "We're a rainbow of brown, black and white" — Latino Dem maxxing

* A coalition of free-market fundamentalists that favour intensely pro-LGBTQ+ and civil libertarian views but also want to do mass deportations and mandate English-only legal documents nationwide; Goldwaterism for the 21st Century

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Caveat: Other nationalities/ethnicities can be citizens but cannot vote. They may own property and have equal protection but no suffrage

List of U.S presidents 1789-2001 (Anglo-America):

1. George Washington (1789 - 1797) [Independent]

2. John Adams (1797 - 1805) [Pro-Administration / Federalist]

3. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (1805 - 1809) [Federalist]

4. James Madison (1809 - 1817) [Democratic-Republican]

5. John Lowell Jr. (1817 - 1825) [Whig]

6. John Quincy Adams (1825 - 1833) [National Republican]

7. Henry Clay (1833 - 1841) [Whig]

8. Daniel Webster (1841 - 1849) [Whig]

9. Millard Fillmore (1849 - 1857) [Whig]

10. John Bell (1857 - 1861) [Democratic-Republican]

11. Charles Sumner ( 1861 - 1865) [Whig]

12. James Speed (1865 - 1873) [Whig]

13. William A. Wheeler (1873 - 1881) [Whig] — The whole period after Bell to here is marked by an intense desire for equality and anti-slavery and increasing anger from the South. Wheeler himself reforms the Electoral College under his presidency to further favour the WASP-homogeneous north

14. John Sherman (1881 - 1889) [Whig — Conservative] — Gold standard, fiscal conservatism etc all define his presidency and cause immense rifts. Many are fine with inflation if it means growth after all

15. Robert C. Winthrop (1889 - 1894) [Whig — Conservative] — Dies in office, I had to have a Winthrop. He tries to mend the increasing divide that was caused by Sherman's presidency between the progressive and conservative slices of the Whig party which dominate each other in the primaries by having a progressive running mate.

16. William D. Washburn (1894 - 1897) [Whig — Progressive] — Archetypical of the progressive Whigs

17. Marcus A. Coolidge (1897 - 1905) [Democratic-Republican] — First D-R since Bell, he wins through humanist reform rhetoric and through his conversations with "patriotic citizens" who wish they could vote to belong in the polity; he then does the first "big-government" policies the government's done since Bell which includes the first state-funded paved roads (huge deal)

18. Martin B. Madden (1905 - 1913) [Whig — Conservative] — bit of a reaction to all the radical reforms of Coolidge; they elected a WASP and he "went native" from being in Florida so let's return to form

19. William Howard Taft (1913 - 1921) [Whig — Progressive] — Of course, he's great

20. Owen Brewster (1921 - 1929) [Whig — Conservative]

21. William H. King (1929-1937) [Democratic-Republican] — The Depression happens in 1931 due to the Bank of America still existing and the extremely quick government-centric approach impresses the WASPs, who are also struggling despite the immense underclass below them doing the work and having more taxes. He appeals to their spirit of industriousness and "to not sit idle in our imperial laurels"

22. Harry F. Byrd Sr. (1937-1941) [Democratic-Republican] — Wins through his successor, resigns from the Pearl Harbor crisis

23. Robert A. Taft (1941-1949) [Whig — Conservative] — Focuses entirely on invading Japan and ignores Europe during WW2, which means that Nazi Germany survives as a rump neutral bloc in Europe. Either way, Japan is gone by Summer 1945. From the Netherlands to London to France a small rump NATO exists.

24. Mamie Colvin (1949-1953) [Prohibition] — In a chart, this looks shocking, but the Prohibition movement had been brewing (lol) since the granting of suffrage to women and was largely ignored by WASP men, but a massive campaign by social reformers, ultraprogressives, Byrdian—Kingian social democrats and others unify against the Whigs in favour of a ultraprogressive economic policy and conservative social policy. Conversations crop up about changing the polity suffrage from English to "Anglo-Celtic" as the definition. This is what causes Colvin to lose her 2nd term campaign. America bans alcohol before she's out

25. Styles Bridges (1953-1961) [Whig — Unified] — After seeing what happens when they're constantly infighting, the Whigs reunify under Bridges's conservative-leaning politics. He pledges to uphold Anglo-Protestant values across the world no matter what—from Boston to the Cape. Nazi Germany reforms itself to join NATO a-la what Franco did IRL which is seen as Bridges's last major fopo success

26. Dixie Bibb Graves (1961-1965) [Democratic-Prohibition] — Amusingly, she dies immediately after her Presidency ends. The day after. Anyway, the Democratic-Prohibition coalition is fully locked down now. Bridges's foreign policy failures in China, Burma and India and the collapse of U.S-aligned governments in Latin America revive isolationism in the republic but it doesn't help things at home

27. Bob Dole (1965-1973) [Whig — Unified] — After the upset victory in 1960, the New Isolationist movement loses legitimacy as the economy keeps getting worse. "Bridgites" are vindicated and pick a moderate Bob Dole as a unifier. He has 2 uneventful and largely positive terms that attempt to cut losses in Asia and focus entirely on upholding colonial governments in Africa, from Kenya to Nigeria to Mozambique

28. John McCain (1973-1981) [Whig — Insurgent] — John McCain is a quarter Ulster-Scots but he barely qualifies. He wins by a draft campaign despite being EXTREMELY young (33, there were reforms under Coolidge to reduce it from 35), just old enough to be President. He wins the primary and then the general through appealing to D-Ps and other non-aligned or low-turnout voters. His war hero status fighting in Manchuria in the 1960s means that he wins with no political experience. His campaign slogan? "We've had enough stagnation; the Englishman demands passion". He successfully defends American interests in Africa and Argentina even as the German Reich enters a default from their collapsed economy, which McCain refuses to bailout, citing "moral abdication" from the Germans

29. Jimmy Carter (1981-1989) [Prohibition-Democratic] — Not much to say here. He governs much like IRL but the increasingly complex blend of women voters, puritan guild socialists, agrarian freeholders and isolationist conservatives under him mean that he governs much like Mondale would in 1984: "Of course I will raise your taxes" — but that doesn't hurt.

30. Dan Quayle (1989-1993) [Whig — Unified] — After the McCain episode, the Whigs feel in the wilderness, and pick conservative "Bridgite" Dan Quayle. He has a largely uneventful and boring presidency where the economy grows but his failures in harnessing Soviet political rifts cause disruptions in his power base, which primaries him and replaces him with Jack Kemp for the candidacy in 1992, which causes...

31. William H. Gates (1993-2001) [Independent] — Perotian. He rejects the "Prohibit Democracy" Democrats, who he says hate democracy, and the "Hairless" Whigs, who he says hate having a brain. He harshly criticises the government, he's overseen corruption boards, and was CEO of Microsoft. He cites his business acumen and industriousness as belonging to a pure tradition of WASP identity that the Republic has forgotten for pragmatism and machiavellianism and wins! He mostly wins cross-party appeal in northern states and the West. He lobbies hard for every single path to reduce the required English ancestry to 1/2, trying to find ways to create compromise. He has also unbanned alcohol nationally.

Some points:

• America has a population of maybe 200 million people in 2000, 30% of whom are voters
• The South and West both lobby for maintaining the Compromise because other minorities exist across the U.S
• By 2000 California, Texas and New York still have the most electoral votes despite their English voting-class populations being very small. The presidency is won by appealing to the English minorities in large, diverse states rather than winning New England
• America holds onto the Philippines, Alaska and Hawaii as Territories; never enough Anglos to make them either let go or to make them States. Alaska is the only one that lobbies consistently for becoming a state
• America loses the cold war pretty badly on the balance because it's arguing that the English republican tradition represents the mature flowering of ordered liberty, and that mass democracy (Jacksonian) is evil and it convinces zero people in the rest of the world who are not Anglo

Caveat: Other nationalities/ethnicities can be citizens but cannot vote. They may own property and have equal protection but no suffrage

List of U.S presidents 1789-2001 (Anglo-America):

1. George Washington (1789 - 1797) [Independent]
2. John Adams (1797 - 1805) [Pro-Administration / Federalist]
3. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (1805 - 1809) [Federalist]
4. James Madison (1809 - 1817) [Democratic-Republican]
5. John Lowell Jr. (1817 - 1825) [Whig]
6. John Quincy Adams (1825 - 1833) [National Republican]
7. Henry Clay (1833 - 1841) [Whig]
8. Daniel Webster (1841 - 1849) [Whig]
9. Millard Fillmore (1849 - 1857) [Whig]
10. John Bell (1857 - 1861) [Democratic-Republican]
11. Charles Sumner ( 1861 - 1865) [Whig]
12. James Speed (1865 - 1873) [Whig]
13. William A. Wheeler (1873 - 1881) [Whig] — The whole period after Bell to here is marked by an intense desire for equality and anti-slavery and increasing anger from the South. Wheeler himself reforms the Electoral College under his presidency to further favour the WASP-homogeneous north
14. John Sherman (1881 - 1889) [Whig — Conservative] — Gold standard, fiscal conservatism etc all define his presidency and cause immense rifts. Many are fine with inflation if it means growth after all
15. Robert C. Winthrop (1889 - 1894) [Whig — Conservative] — Dies in office, I had to have a Winthrop. He tries to mend the increasing divide that was caused by Sherman's presidency between the progressive and conservative slices of the Whig party which dominate each other in the primaries by having a progressive running mate.
16. William D. Washburn (1894 - 1897) [Whig — Progressive] — Archetypical of the progressive Whigs
17. Marcus A. Coolidge (1897 - 1905) [Democratic-Republican] — First D-R since Bell, he wins through humanist reform rhetoric and through his conversations with "patriotic citizens" who wish they could vote to belong in the polity; he then does the first "big-government" policies the government's done since Bell which includes the first state-funded paved roads (huge deal)
18. Martin B. Madden (1905 - 1913) [Whig — Conservative] — bit of a reaction to all the radical reforms of Coolidge; they elected a WASP and he "went native" from being in Florida so let's return to form
19. William Howard Taft (1913 - 1921) [Whig — Progressive] — Of course, he's great
20. Owen Brewster (1921 - 1929) [Whig — Conservative]
21. William H. King (1929-1937) [Democratic-Republican] — The Depression happens in 1931 due to the Bank of America still existing and the extremely quick government-centric approach impresses the WASPs, who are also struggling despite the immense underclass below them doing the work and having more taxes. He appeals to their spirit of industriousness and "to not sit idle in our imperial laurels"
22. Harry F. Byrd Sr. (1937-1941) [Democratic-Republican] — Wins through his successor, resigns from the Pearl Harbor crisis
23. Robert A. Taft (1941-1949) [Whig — Conservative] — Focuses entirely on invading Japan and ignores Europe during WW2, which means that Nazi Germany survives as a rump neutral bloc in Europe. Either way, Japan is gone by Summer 1945. From the Netherlands to London to France a small rump NATO exists.
24. Mamie Colvin (1949-1953) [Prohibition] — In a chart, this looks shocking, but the Prohibition movement had been brewing (lol) since the granting of suffrage to women and was largely ignored by WASP men, but a massive campaign by social reformers, ultraprogressives, Byrdian—Kingian social democrats and others unify against the Whigs in favour of a ultraprogressive economic policy and conservative social policy. Conversations crop up about changing the polity suffrage from English to "Anglo-Celtic" as the definition. This is what causes Colvin to lose her 2nd term campaign. America bans alcohol before she's out
25. Styles Bridges (1953-1961) [Whig — Unified] — After seeing what happens when they're constantly infighting, the Whigs reunify under Bridges's conservative-leaning politics. He pledges to uphold Anglo-Protestant values across the world no matter what—from Boston to the Cape. Nazi Germany reforms itself to join NATO a-la what Franco did IRL which is seen as Bridges's last major fopo success
26. Dixie Bibb Graves (1961-1965) [Democratic-Prohibition] — Amusingly, she dies immediately after her Presidency ends. The day after. Anyway, the Democratic-Prohibition coalition is fully locked down now. Bridges's foreign policy failures in China, Burma and India and the collapse of U.S-aligned governments in Latin America revive isolationism in the republic but it doesn't help things at home
27. Bob Dole (1965-1973) [Whig — Unified] — After the upset victory in 1960, the New Isolationist movement loses legitimacy as the economy keeps getting worse. "Bridgites" are vindicated and pick a moderate Bob Dole as a unifier. He has 2 uneventful and largely positive terms that attempt to cut losses in Asia and focus entirely on upholding colonial governments in Africa, from Kenya to Nigeria to Mozambique
28. John McCain (1973-1981) [Whig — Insurgent] — John McCain is a quarter Ulster-Scots but he barely qualifies. He wins by a draft campaign despite being EXTREMELY young (33, there were reforms under Coolidge to reduce it from 35), just old enough to be President. He wins the primary and then the general through appealing to D-Ps and other non-aligned or low-turnout voters. His war hero status fighting in Manchuria in the 1960s means that he wins with no political experience. His campaign slogan? "We've had enough stagnation; the Englishman demands passion". He successfully defends American interests in Africa and Argentina even as the German Reich enters a default from their collapsed economy, which McCain refuses to bailout, citing "moral abdication" from the Germans
29. Jimmy Carter (1981-1989) [Prohibition-Democratic] — Not much to say here. He governs much like IRL but the increasingly complex blend of women voters, puritan guild socialists, agrarian freeholders and isolationist conservatives under him mean that he governs much like Mondale would in 1984: "Of course I will raise your taxes" — but that doesn't hurt.
30. Dan Quayle (1989-1993) [Whig — Unified] — After the McCain episode, the Whigs feel in the wilderness, and pick conservative "Bridgite" Dan Quayle. He has a largely uneventful and boring presidency where the economy grows but his failures in harnessing Soviet political rifts cause disruptions in his power base, which primaries him and replaces him with Jack Kemp for the candidacy in 1992, which causes...
31. William H. Gates (1993-2001) [Independent] — Perotian. He rejects the "Prohibit Democracy" Democrats, who he says hate democracy, and the "Hairless" Whigs, who he says hate having a brain. He harshly criticises the government, he's overseen corruption boards, and was CEO of Microsoft. He cites his business acumen and industriousness as belonging to a pure tradition of WASP identity that the Republic has forgotten for pragmatism and machiavellianism and wins! He mostly wins cross-party appeal in northern states and the West. He lobbies hard for every single path to reduce the required English ancestry to 1/2, trying to find ways to create compromise. He has also unbanned alcohol nationally.

Some points:

• America has a population of maybe 200 million people in 2000, 30% of whom are voters
• The South and West both lobby for maintaining the Compromise because other minorities exist across the U.S
• By 2000 California, Texas and New York still have the most electoral votes despite their English voting-class populations being very small. The presidency is won by appealing to the English minorities in large, diverse states rather than winning New England
• America holds onto the Philippines, Alaska and Hawaii as Territories; never enough Anglos to make them either let go or to make them States. Alaska is the only one that lobbies consistently for becoming a state
• America loses the cold war pretty badly on the balance because it's arguing that the English republican tradition represents the mature flowering of ordered liberty, and that mass democracy (Jacksonian) is evil and it convinces zero people in the rest of the world who are not Anglo

What do you folks think? Should I keep working on this? Seems interesting? cheers!

Edit: Messed up Bill Gates' name

I'm into politics/philosophy and a friend of mine recommended to me a handful of subreddits that are relatively small for that purpose, and I ended up finding some larger ones too as I explore the website. I always found Reddit to have a bad reputation elsewhere online so I avoided it, but I figured if I stuck primarily to these more niche spaces I could still have a good time.

All of that said, I am struggling to reach their karma requirements—one of them has as high as 250. Some of them have account age requirements but those are understandable—I'll just use the ones that don't have those until then. But it feels like half of my comments disappear into the aether.

Should I just keep posting in whatever bigger communities there are? It feels pointless sometimes because the comments keep getting auto-removed even in the bigger communities.