u/marshmochifauxie

(Making a new version of this post, plus new image lol, because correcting the previous post via editing wouldn't make it obvious to some and I'm not a fan of repeating myself. plus I do request to have the discussion to be civil and no off-topic stuff. thanks.)

I'm saying "Hypothetically" because, in canon, don't think it's possible for him to break free when he shows no signs of wanting an out unlike Sugarfly, and he's essentially just Shadow Milk Cookie. I am aware of that, that's why I said "hypothetically" as in, a "what if" scenario. "What if Black Sapphire (and to an extension, Candy Apple) broke free from Shadow Milk Cookie via other means, whether it'd be from Pure Vanilla Cookie and Gingerbrave (0.0000000001% chance), Shadow Milk reforming himself (0.000000000000000000001%, maybe in the future? idk idk idk.) or from another Cookie?"

The only thing I could go off from is that he shown to be the most "reasonable" out of the remaining Beast Minions? which is honestly saying a lot. (Candy Apple is unhinged for Shadow Milk that it's impossible for her to be reasoned with, Nutmeg Tiger is blood(jam?) thirsty, and Cloud Haetae is.... puppy. The closest of someone being kinda reasonable is Pavlova, he showed signs of wanting an out until he accepted he couldn't be free from ESC. Not counting Salt Cellar because, yes she is a Beast Minion for Silent Salt, but she's not really an active threat either when she's also helping White Lily to some extent? idk).

Anything else... that's it really. There's really no signs of Black Sapphire wanting an out and seems to enjoy spreading chaos. But hey, Maybe, in a sea of possibilities, there is a timeline where Black Sapphire and Candy Apple broke free from Shadow Milk who knows? This is the point of this discussion right? Theories, headcanons, I'm interested in reading those.

I'm saying "Hypothetically" because, in canon, don't think it's possible for him to break free when he shows no signs of wanting an out unlike Pavlova and Sugarfly.

Though then again, he shown to be the most "reasonable" out of the remaining Beast Minions? which is honestly saying a lot. (Candy Apple is unhinged for Shadow Milk that it's impossible for her to be reasoned with, Nutmeg Tiger is blood(jam?) thirsty, and Cloud Haetae is.... puppy. Not counting Salt Cellar because, yes she is a Beast Minion for Silent Salt, but she's not really an active threat either when she's also helping White Lily to some extent? idk).

Mind you, she's the only ToA cookie who gets to be in multiple games (Ovenbreak, Kingdom, and now Ovensmash.), only one who gets more content then any ToA cookie, pushed so far than any ToA cookie to the point it's unfair and frankly a bit tiring.

I wouldn't mind her being in other games IF there's other PLAYABLE ToA Cookies in other games as well. (putting an emphasis on playable because, in a sense, Twisted Donut Cookie doesn't count in Kingdom as he's merely just a Guest Cookie, not someone you'd put onto your team. :/. His appearance in Witch's Castle is at least.. something, but he's not really "playable". He's just mere decoration in those games).

The reason why I didn't mind Strawberry Crepe and Milky Way to be pushed as much is because Kingdom Cookies being added to other games are a guaranteed since they're far more successful, ToA meanwhile is far more niche. I'd be really awesome to see ToA Cookies in other games other than Cream Soda.

I was waiting on Witchberry Cookie being in Ovensmash, the first ever playable Witch's Castle Cookie to be in another game that ISN'T A GUEST. (I think she'll also make an appearance in Cookie Run Crumble??), she's been teased in the trailer for fuck's sake. 😭😭😭 I guess I'll have to wait for a while for her release :/

Maybe I'm just complaining so early, sure. They'll likely add more ToA Cookies in the future, but thinking about Cream Soda's history of being pushed so hard by the devs.... I hardly believe they'll add more ToA Cookies :/. Just Cream Soda..

Again, I am NOT speaking out of "hate" for Cream Soda, She's at least ehh... maybe B tier at best for me. (not the best but not the worse, she's just okay.) I'm just complaining the fact the devs used her so much they're not giving any ToA Cookies a chance to shine in other games :/

>!(for an explanation for the image because why not, yugwa cheered 'okchun marry me' during a b!tes concert, and okchun didn't question it even after the concert lol)!<

yes I am a fan of her despite everything (since day 1), I'm just saying this out of pure love for Okchun because it really frustrates me that they didn't give Okchun enough content in Kingdom. Sure, she's in B!TES, that's at least something (At least she's having fun), but what about the Yakgwa Village?

I wanna see more of Gim, Yugwa, Vagabond and more about Okchun's family history. hell I need Yakgwa Village lore (I'd be happy for a Vagabond, Gim, Yeot and Yugwa in kingdom (though not likely gonna happen any time soon considering uh.. the current state of kingdom's story). and maaaaybe more yakgwa village cookies for ovenbreak in the near future? i'm down for a potential Songpyeon cookie wink wink devsis if you wanna earn money aga=)

I always thought it's heavily based on France (and a couple of European countries, notably Britian.

the only thing I can go off of is that some of the Convocation of Elders members and Creme Republic citizens are based on famous French desserts (Sable, Canale, Baumkuchen, Milled-Feuille, Kouign-Amann, Madeleine, Financier)

as for a geographical sense... dunno

>!That and I always joked about it being the Fontaine of Cookie Run (mind you it's a joke. not to be taken seriously)!<

Even though I'm okay-ish with Okchun being in B!TES overtime, I am still pretty baffled by her inclusion since she's a relatively niche cookie with no main story event attached prior to b!tes (hell, her kingdom sprites that consists of her default outfit are just... 2 lmfao that's how irrelevant she is compared to the other 4). Mind you I don't ""hate"" Okchun, I've been a fan of her since her NPC debut in Ovenbreak.

(yes I am aware I made like a couple of posts about this subject (aka "why is okchun here?" posts) because my feelings on that matter are still conflicting between "okay" to "what the fuck?", I do apologize and I'll stop lol)

Other than Okchun's inclusion, I am curious about the other cookies and how they also formed B!TES as well.

Caramel Arrow and Mozzarella of course knew each other, Sugarfly's wandering in Earthbread and Caramel Choux still working as a town square advisor.

I want to see more of Caramel Choux's life outside of her post, explore a bit of Caramel Arrow and Mozzarella's dynamic and how Sugarfly came to meet with them. I'd assume Okchun joined into the group last.

BAD4 is more entertaining as a group because we know of the CoD and know what sort of dynamic they have, thus growing a familiarity towards them as a group. If they want B!TES to be an engaging group, they could've shown more of their interaction and dynamic, outside and during group activities.

I dunno, I'll probably have to wait til summer when these costumes will become obtainable and see if they include some sort of proper backstory of B!TES.

let's get this out of the way: let's not talk about pumpkin pie cookie here since this specific post isn't about her. good? good.

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anyway, for being the first ever Cookie to be introduced under this rarity that was originally a costume rarity in Ovenbreak, Clotted Cream Cookie hasn't receive new costumes ever since his release. :/

- Stardust Cookie and Sherbet Cookie have received 2 special holiday-exclusive costumes (not to mention Sherbet having a legendary costume)

- fucking Oyster Cookie (the 2nd super epic released after Clotted Cream Cookie) received her own special costume

- Capsaicin Cookie has a costume (ready made for the same update he was released in btw)

- Shining Glitter (albeit her costume is her Ovenbreak default, but it's still a costume nonetheless.)

- Camillia Cookie, a cookie originally from the CN version of CRK, HAS RECEIEVED 3 COSTUMES EXCLUSIVE IN THE CN SERVER

The only super epics that didn't have costumes yet besides Clotted Cream Cookie are Crimson Coral, Doughael, Elder Faerie and Venom Dough Cookie.

Though I personally think, in historic sense, Clotted Cream Cookie deserves a costume of his own. I would absolutely pull for a puppet-inspired costume for Clotted Cream Cookie (similar to Sundae Cookie's Puppet of Oblivion costume), or a theatre-inspired costume because he always puts up a face for the crowd

I've grown to warm up to Okchun as a B!TES member and Caramel Choux is having fun as a B!TES member but wouldn't it be symbolic if all B!TES members are represented as each Ancient?

I mean you already have:

Caramel Arrow - Dark Cacao
Mozzarella - Golden Cheese
Sugarfly - White Lily

(White Lily's status as the ruler of the Faerie Kingdom was passed down after Elder Faerie's death, so I thought it'd be accurate)

how about:

Raspberry - Hollyberry
Black Raisin - Pure Vanilla

aw man, I wanna see pomegranate cookie's public execu- i mean humiliation

in case you're confused, the two on top is skye just with a slightly different look xd

I kept seeing alot more spot the difference posts than regular posts here and it's clogging up the subreddit a bit ngl

a rumormongering radio host who embraces deceit and morally grey consul who uses uh... less than honorable methods to achieve his goals (he's a fucking politician what do you think). one who uses deceit but has good intentions and one who lives for deceit for the hell out it.

though I imagine black sapphire gained respect for clotted cream, and clotted cream thinking the same, seeing each other as equals. are they friends? yes and no? but I see them as like friendly rivals. (and maaaaybe a bit of tension)

Technically he still didn't broke the record Okchun set as the earliest Ovenbreak-originator to be ported to Kingdom by just a year since debut? (correct me if I'm wrong) since he's just a NPC for the time being but it's still pretty impressive