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Mystic Messenger + The Ssum Timeline

WARNING! MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE SSUM AND MYSTIC MESSENGER!!!

The Ssum is WAY more connected to Mystic Messenger than people realize, so here’s a full spoiler breakdown + timeline.

I keep seeing people say that The Ssum only has little Mystic Messenger easter eggs/references, and I genuinely don’t think people realize how far Cheritz eventually took it. it’s not just “oh Jumin gets mentioned” or “there’s a Zen joke.”there are actual family relationships, appearances from MM characters, Mint Eye involvement, Saeran/Unknown showing up, RFA lore, and a character in The Ssum who is VERY heavily implied to literally be a younger Vanderwood.

so I wanted to put everything together because the shared universe goes way deeper than originally thought.

first: June is literally Jumin Han’s younger half-brother.
this one is straight up canon and was officially confirmed by Cheritz. June and Jumin share the same biological mother, Carolyn.

basically:

Carolyn + Chairman Han = Jumin
Carolyn later has June with another man = June

so Jumin and June are maternal half-brothers. and this isn’t just some random background fact either. Jumin actually becomes involved in June’s story. June grew up knowing that Jumin existed and comparing himself to him, which is honestly pretty sad when you consider who Jumin is. Jumin is rich, successful, intelligent, composed, the heir to C&R, etc., while June is much more physically fragile and emotionally vulnerable. so Jumin basically exists as this massive shadow over June’s life. eventually June actually gets the chance to develop a relationship with his older brother. which brings The Ssum directly into Jumin’s personal life rather than just referencing him as “that famous C&R guy.”and once Jumin is involved, obviously V isn’t very far away either.

V/Jihyun also appears in The Ssum’s story.

remember that Jumin and V have been childhood best friends forever. so when June becomes involved with Jumin, June’s world starts overlapping with Jumin and V’s circle too. there is official material involving June/Henri with Jumin and V, and Jumin even talks about things involving the RFA. which is important because now we have:

June Jumin V RFA Rika Mint Eye

all existing in the same universe and during overlapping parts of the timeline.

Henri also gets tangled up with the Han family.

Henri’s family has connections to the Hans through medicine, and Henri himself ends up interacting with Jumin. and somehow Elizabeth the 3rd also gets involved 😭

yes. THE Elizabeth the 3rd. Jumin’s cat. the same cat from Mystic Messenger.

Elizabeth ends up interacting with people in The Ssum, which is honestly one of the funniest ways Cheritz confirms that we’re dealing with the exact same Jumin and the exact same universe. so no, this isn’t some alternate version of “Jumin Han.”

same Jumin. same V. same Elizabeth. same RFA. same everything.

the. Teo’s route basically walks directly into the Mystic Messenger plot.

this part is INSANE to me because Teo starts out as such a normal dude. he has a friend named Noah who gets involved with spiritual/astrology-related things. eventually Teo follows Noah and ends up getting tangled up with Mint Eye and the people involved include:

- Rika
- V
- Unknown

and obviously if you finished Mystic Messenger:

Unknown = Saeran Choi

so while you’re playing The Ssum and talking to Teo about his life, you are literally existing during a period where Rika’s cult is operating and Saeran is already involved. Teo basically accidentally walks into the background plot of Mystic Messenger 😭

this also helps explain where The Ssum sits in the timeline.

I would NOT say “The Ssum canonically takes place exactly from 2011–2013” because Cheritz’s dates get messy and there are timeline inconsistencies if you try to assign an exact year to every single event.

it makes much more sense to think of it as a relative timeline.

a lot of The Ssum’s Mystic Messenger-related events seem to happen several years before the main Casual/Deep Story routes of MM, while the stuff that eventually becomes Mystic Messenger is developing behind the scenes. so while The Ssum characters are living their lives:

- the RFA exists/develops
- Rika is descending further into Mint Eye
- V is involved in the whole disaster
- Saeran is becoming Unknown/Ray
- and Saeyoung is entering the intelligence agency

which brings me to my FAVORITE connection:

JJ is very heavily implied to be Vanderwood.

If you played June/Henri’s story, you probably remember JJ. on paper JJ is basically just this mysterious hairdresser. except he is the most suspicious hairdresser to ever walk the earth LMAOOO. JJ knows WAY too much:

- he’s extremely good at gathering information
- he has unusual survival skills
- he knows how to deal with electronics/phones
- he uses disguises
- he hides his identity
- he acts like someone accustomed to surveillance/covert work
- he references a boss
- he can become genuinely intimidating when people get too close to figuring him out
- he knows suspicious amounts of information about things he really should not know

then Cheritz starts dropping Mystic Messenger-specific clues around him. JJ has the same Korean voice actor associated with Vanderwood. there are Mystic Messenger-style hacker/audio cues around some of his tech-related scenes. Mystic Messenger music is even used around important JJ moments, and then JJ talks about waiting for a younger person to finish school. that is a HUGE clue because of where Saeyoung/Seven would be at this point.

remember Vanderwood’s role in Mystic Messenger? Vanderwood works for the same secret intelligence agency as Seven. he’s older/more experienced and basically acts as Seven’s coworker/senior/handler depending on the situation. he is constantly trying to make Seven finish his work.

so the implication in The Ssum seems to be that JJ is already working for that organization BEFORE Saeyoung fully becomes the Agent 707 we know. meaning we may literally be seeing JJ/Vanderwood BEFORE Seven becomes his problem.

and I want to clarify something because I’ve seen people phrase it differently.

I don’t think The Ssum confirms that “JJ” is Vanderwood’s actual legal birth name. JJ could very easily be another alias. the reveal is more like:

the man we know as JJ in The Ssum is the person who will later be known as Vanderwood in Mystic Messenger.

which honestly makes perfect sense considering he’s a secret agent whose real identity is deliberately hidden. the clues together are kind of ridiculous:

- same VA
- spy skills
- surveillance
- technology skills
- disguises
- secret boss
- hidden identity
- agency implications
- Mystic Messenger music/sound cues
- the younger person who still needs to finish school lining up with Saeyoung

at that point Cheritz is practically beating you over the head with it without having JJ turn toward the camera and say “hello I am Vanderwood” 😭 and if JJ really is younger Vanderwood, it actually adds SO MUCH to Vanderwood as a character. Mystic Messenger makes it easy to think of Vanderwood mostly as “Seven’s exhausted agent coworker.”but The Ssum basically implies this man had an entire intelligence career before Seven. he already had aliases, assignments, survival experience, information gathering, tech skills, undercover identities, his own connections. Seven was not Vanderwood’s origin story, Seven just eventually became his biggest fucking headache LMAOOOO

And then you have the Choi twins developing on opposite sides of this entire situation.

this is where the shared timeline gets depressing.

- Saeyoung and Saeran are separated
- Saeyoung ends up associated with the secret intelligence agency and eventually becomes: Saeyoung Choi Luciel Agent 707
- Saeran falls under Rika/Mint Eye and becomes: Saeran Choi Ray/Unknown

so during the broader Ssum era, you basically have the machinery creating both versions of the twins operating in the background.

on one side:
Saeyoung intelligence agency Seven eventually working with Vanderwood/JJ

on the other:
Saeran Rika/Mint Eye Ray/Unknown

then Mystic Messenger eventually makes those two worlds collide.

Rika and Mint Eye are another reason the timeline is darker than it looks.

one thing I used to misunderstand was thinking the timeline was basically:

Rika runs RFA Rika disappears/“dies” Rika creates Mint Eye.

but Mint Eye’s development and Saeran’s involvement clearly go back further than that. Rika’s extremist ideology and the organization are developing while the RFA world is still happening. so imagine the two stories happening at the same time.

Publicly:

- Rika is involved with charity
- V is a photographer
- Jumin is helping the RFA
- RFA is hosting parties

Behind the scenes:

- Rika is building Mint Eye
- Saeran is being manipulated/indoctrinated
- V learns more and more and hides the truth
- Saeyoung is being pushed toward the intelligence agency

it makes the earlier years of MM feel even more disturbing because these two realities were basically existing alongside each other.

and The Ssum characters are walking around right next to all of it without knowing the full story.

- June is dealing with Jumin and his family
- Henri gets dragged into Jumin’s orbit
- Teo accidentally brushes against Mint Eye
- JJ is apparently already working in the same intelligence world that will eventually involve Seven

Meanwhile:
-Rika is becoming the Savior
- Saeran is becoming Unknown
- Saeyoung is becoming 707
- V is increasingly trapped in his relationship with Rika and his own lies
- Jumin is slowly becoming the version of Jumin we know from Mystic Messenger

THAT is why I think calling these things “easter eggs” undersells it so much.

there’s also the Zen situation LMAO

The Ssum has dialogue where the MC can indicate that Zen was her ex-boyfriend.

I would put a HUGE asterisk on this because both games have player choices and different romantic continuities.

so I would NOT say “every Ssum MC is canonically the Mystic Messenger MC and canonically dated Zen.” but Cheritz absolutely gives you a possible continuity where the MC dated Zen before the events of Mystic Messenger, which is hilarious when you think about it. imagine breaking up with Zen, living your life for several years, accidentally getting dragged into some mysterious messaging app, joining the RFA and then suddenly,

ZEN HAS ENTERED THE CHATROOM.

MC: you have got to be fucking kidding me
Seven: ????
Jumin: You know each other?
Zen: MC?????

so if I had to simplify the overall timeline, I’d put it roughly like this:

Jumin and V grow up as childhood friends

V meets Rika

RFA forms/develops

Rika’s darker ideology/Mint Eye also begins developing behind the scenes

V becomes involved in the situation surrounding Saeyoung and Saeran

the twins are separated

Saeyoung becomes involved with the intelligence agency

Saeran becomes trapped under Rika/Mint Eye

JJ is already operating as some kind of covert/intelligence agent

The Ssum-era events with June/Henri/Teo happen around this broader period

June reconnects with Jumin

Jumin/V become directly involved in June’s story

Teo accidentally crosses into Rika/V/Unknown/Mint Eye territory

JJ’s clues increasingly point toward him being younger Vanderwood

Saeyoung eventually becomes Agent 707 and works with Vanderwood

Saeran becomes the Unknown/Ray we know

Rika is publicly believed to have died/disappears from the RFA

Another Story happens closer to Rika’s disappearance

more time passes

Main Casual/Deep Story era of Mystic Messenger

MC joins the RFA and everything finally explodes.

obviously the exact calendar years get fuzzy because Cheritz timelines are held together with prayers and duct tape 😭 but the relative order is MUCH easier to see.

tldr:

The Ssum is not Mystic Messenger 2, but it absolutely functions as an expansion of Mystic Messenger’s universe and pre-MM lore.

- June is canonically Jumin’s brother. Jumin and V become directly involved.
- Mint Eye appears.
- Rika appears.
- Unknown/Saeran appears.
- The RFA is referenced.
- Elizabeth the 3rd crosses over.
- Teo literally brushes against the Mint Eye plot.
- JJ is written with an absurd number of clues pointing toward him being Vanderwood before the events of Mystic Messenger.

I genuinely wish Cheritz advertised this connection more because I feel like SO many Mystic Messenger fans dropped The Ssum early or never played it because they thought it was completely unrelated. also bc it became a pay to play game and the company also… fell apart. anyways, in reality Cheritz was apparently hiding half a Mystic Messenger prequel in there 😭

if anyone knows of any other connections I missed PLEASE add them because I’m genuinely obsessed with putting the entire Cheritz timeline together LMAOOO

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u/noirdeluna — 2 days ago

I opened up the app and I was hacked.

so, i went on X for the first time in a few weeks and i noticed my whole entire was changed. bio, username, etc etc. the weird thing is that my phone number and email weren’t removed so i was able to get my account back pretty easily but im just so confused on why i wasn’t alerted via email? usually you’d get an email for a username change or if someone logs into your account, no? they also removed all my reposts, posts and things like that which is pretty upsetting since i had my favorite author reply back on there and so i can never get it back now.

i set up 2fa and things like that but im just confused on how it even happened under the radar like that.

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u/noirdeluna — 16 days ago

i’m so stressed idk who to marry

UGHHH EILAND AND MARCH PLEASE I CAN’T CHOOSE I’M SO STRESSED. Eiland is such a sweetheart and he’s so dorky and cute and just RAHHHHH but March is such a dork too and a brat and i just UGHHHH I LOVE THEM BOTH SO MUCH I CAN’T CHOOSE. it literally feels like the choi twins from mysme all over again im crashing out

u/noirdeluna — 16 days ago

final update.

i’m SO SORRY. this is a re-upload due to not noticing that some sensitive information wasn’t blurred out 😭 // if you missed my last post, here’s a link to it

https://www.reddit.com/r/mysticmessenger/s/QaOduQiVyK

basically i got a bug infected special believer package and was absolutely devastated. i’ve been emailing Cheritz and the convo i had with them was basically what we can do to fix it. i asked if i could just have in game items instead since it would be easier and im just not wanting to risk getting another bug infected box. honestly, i was hoping they would give me in game items rather than giving me a replacement because i can’t use the codes to redeem the hourglass that come with the packages because i already have the memberships. basically it’s a waste of 1.8k hourglasses 🫡

if anyone wants to perhaps buy the codes from me i am 100% willing.

basically you’ll get 1.8k hg in total along with all the calling cards for all the members 🙂‍↕️ i still have to wait for the other package to arrive but i was thinking possibly $60 since it seems fair considering what you’re getting. at least it’ll be clean and bug free 🫠 if you are interested, feel free to dm me!

if this replacement package comes out im going to CRASH OUT. perhaps i’ll do an unboxing video for everyone?

u/noirdeluna — 1 month ago

so.. final update.

if you missed my last post, here’s a link to it

https://www.reddit.com/r/mysticmessenger/s/QaOduQiVyK

but basically i got a bug infected special believer package and was absolutely devastated. i’ve been emailing Cheritz and attached is the convo I had with them. honestly, I was hoping they would give me endgame items rather than giving me a replacement because I can’t use the codes to redeem the hourglass that come with the packages because I already have those “membership”. basically it’s a waste of 1.8k hourglasses 🫡 if anyone wants to perhaps buy the codes from me i am 100% willing, basically you’ll get 1.8k hg in total along with all the calling cards for all the members 🙂‍↕️

u/noirdeluna — 1 month ago

ITS FINALLY ARRIVED

AHHHHH IM SO SO SO HAPPY!!! i saw the mailman and rAN STRAIGHT FOR HIM LOL. MY BEAUTIFUL BABIES HAVE ARRIVED!!!!

u/noirdeluna — 1 month ago

HD resolution of all CG’s?

so, i was wondering if anyone knew where to get HD resolution downloads of all the CG’s, even the event ones and the current CG for the 10th anniversary 🥹 i wanna print them out as posters bc… my love for them has not withered. it’s been going strong since release date.. and i hate it because now im older than the RFA whereas i used to be younger than all of them 😭💔

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u/noirdeluna — 2 months ago

did anyone have this issue when ordering off the cheritz shop?

so i placed an order on the 22nd and then the next day i get an email saying its shipped out. well, im trying to see the tracking and all that but yet this is what pops up? does this mean its not actually shipped yet? or is there something wrong? has anyone else experienced this? highkey freaking out tbh with you.

u/noirdeluna — 2 months ago

has anyone purchased from the Cheritz shop recently?

so i’m planning on purchasing some merch from cheritz, specifically the mint eye and RFA package box along with saeran’s passport, but I’m scared I won’t receive it. has anyone purchased from their website recently?

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u/noirdeluna — 2 months ago

best multi streaming plugins for obs?

i’ve been trying to figure out what’s the best for multi streaming on obs. i used to use aitum and then used StreamElements but idk what’s going on with SE as it keeps giving me error codes and won’t let me stream. aka refer to attached image. do any of yall have any suggestions or recommendations?

thanks in advance!

u/noirdeluna — 3 months ago
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is anyone else having this issue?

it says that there’s a new update for homebrew but everytime i try to update, i get this error. im connected to wifi and everything and i just have no idea what to do.

can anyone help?

u/noirdeluna — 3 months ago
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how to delete a save file?

stupid question and probably obvious but does anyone know how to delete a save file on animal crossing for the vita? is it just like how you usually do it with going through the main menu? i wanted to delete my save because… i want purple hair for my character… HAHAHAHHAHAHA

u/noirdeluna — 3 months ago
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so i see that there’s games, emulators &&’ all sorts of things on VitaDB. i saw there’s animal crossing on there along with DSVita,,,, if i download it right from VitaDB, would it work? or is it better if i download it on pc and then transfer it onto my vita?

i tried to download animal crossing from it and i got that pop up in the picture above so im just really wondering and wanting to understand this a lot more.

i also download the AutoPlugin2 bc my friend who owns a vita and stuff recommended it to me and said it’s really good but never fully explained it to me.

i’m a dummy so if anyone can explain it to me in a “for dummies” type of way it would be greatly appreciated!

u/noirdeluna — 4 months ago
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hiii this post will be crossposted so i apologize in advance.

i have these games that i’m trying to import onto my vita, i downloaded them from nopaystation and i have no idea where to put them. i know where to put the app folder but exdata, packages and pspemu i have no idea. i also have 8 games to put into my vita. it said to extract the zip to ux0:/ but i dont know where exactly to put it. please help, ive been stressing for over 5 hours now 🥲

u/noirdeluna — 4 months ago
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hi guys! i don't know if i did something wrong when modding but i can't find ANY of the games i want through pkgj. so i downloaded all the games i want but i have no idea how to transfer them over onto my vita. i have them still zipped as i don't know if i should unzip or not, could someone please help me? i've been stressing over this for almost 2 hours and i'm gonna lose my mind LOL

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u/noirdeluna — 4 months ago

hi guys! i don't know if i did something wrong when modding but i can't find ANY of the games i want through pkgj. so i downloaded all the games i want but i have no idea how to transfer them over onto my vita. i have them still zipped as i don't know if i should unzip or not, could someone please help me? i've been stressing over this for almost 2 hours and i'm gonna lose my mind LOL

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u/noirdeluna — 4 months ago
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i was having some issues with things not loading, so i turned it off via power button but now it’s stuck like this. please can someone help bc im freaking out i literally don’t know what to do like i just got this yesterday

u/noirdeluna — 4 months ago
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hii, i’m just trying to understand this a bit better. basically i already finished but i am trying to understand the reclaim the space portion.

what does it mean reclaim? does it mean i can’t download psp games with the way it is now and that i have to delete the following? i’m just confused bc i copied &’ pasted everything into the uma0: but now if i want to reclaim the space i have to delete it (or the imc0 i know). i just want to understand it better before i delete things &&’ etc etc.

u/noirdeluna — 4 months ago
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EDIT: the ranking i got was an A+. the game seemed to be forgotten in the vita so i got that as a little freebie. no it didn’t come with the case or anything, i bought the cheapest option which was $219 NOT including import fees, which were about ~$30. the case, screen protector and plastic cover was a bundle on aliexpress for $1, just found out that silicone cases exist so i shall invest in that sometime in the future 🙂‍↕️

EDIT 2: here’s the seller profile and the listing!

so i’m extremely new to the vita scene. i used to watch my cousin in jealousy as they played on theirs while i played on my dsi back in the days. so im SOOOO THANKFUL my vita came in DAYSSSS early &’ i’m so super excited. i’m letting it charge a bit before i start modding it, but then i realized it came with a game LOL. yes i bought it on ebay from a japanese seller!!!

don’t judge the stickers LOL,,,, i wanted to customize it &’ stuff but didn’t see any cases that weren’t just a regular clear case. also the small bubble you see in the first photo is from the screen protector. dw, it bothers me too 😭

so for you fellow vita players, do i have to make a playstation account? is there an active and online community i can interact with others? i think it would be fun to make friends that way.

also, if you have any recommendations &&’ such before i start modding it, pls let me know below!!!

thank you so much for the read ♡

u/noirdeluna — 4 months ago