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White actor, Jamaican voices...

Hi all - I've been booked for my first paid gig on ACX (yay!) Since joining in June. It's a sci-fi novel, exactly my kind of thing, mostly English and American accents.

However I've just learned that an alien race appears later in the book and are written as having a Jamaican dialect. In sending the manuscript the writer has said -without prompting - "if you can't do that, don't worry about it", meaning we could potentially change the accent.

However I don't want the writer to change their intentions because of me! I'm certain I could do a reasonable accent on a technical level, and if so I want to ensure that it's an earnest attempt at bringing the author's work to life. He seems totally unphased (or he wouldn't have hired me).

Does anyone have advice on kind of guiding themselves through accents or characters that they've felt that concern for, in terms of worrying about caricaturing or coming across as insulting/inappropriate?

This may be a non-issue - "it's in the script, so do it" - but as a relative newbie to audiobooks I would really welcome some experienced advice.

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u/Cocomite — 18 hours ago
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How long to let auditions roll in

I jut posted my first audiobook as an author/(self)publisher. I have gotten a lot more auditions that I anticipated, like 31 auditions in 10 hours. What is an appropriate amount of time to let them roll in before I make an offer? It got approved this afternoon (Saturday), and my thought is to go at least until Tuesday so that I get a wide variety and give anyone interested an opportunity. Also, once I make a decision should I be sending messages to people who do not get the gig, or is that not expected. Thanks for any advice.

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u/idiotclown — 1 day ago
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How do you deal with pesky mouth noises

I'm really struggling today and yesterday with mouth noises, I am clicking and my mouth sounds wet. I've tried drinking water, warm water with a bit of salt, brushing my teeth and tongue, I even considered sucking on a lemon!

What do you guys do when suffering from the mouth noises?

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u/GargleBleachington — 3 days ago
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What has been your experience with “Unspecified PFH” budget books?

Just asking in general. If you got an offer, was it lower than you were hoping, just right, or higher? Do these books tend to be legit (I.e at least not plainly written by AI)?

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u/JaredJDub — 2 days ago
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Retail Sample Not Correct?

Hey fellow narrators!

A book I narrated was released back in May and I recently discovered the retail sample I uploaded (due to the first five minutes being explicit) wasn't even used.

So when friends, family and even co-workers go to check out the preview for my new audiobook, they are treated to me narrating quite an explicit scene which is not very ideal and goes against Audible and ACX's policies anyway and I am worried it will effect my employment in my full time job! Its like they just skipped over the retail sample I provided which was a lot safer.

Is there any way to flag to them that they just went ahead and made the first 5 minutes the preview without actually checking it for explicit material and that they have a very safe for work version that they had to begin with 🙃

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u/Traditional-Hunt4223 — 3 days ago
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Audiobook Narrators, I have a Question

How do you guys like to go about recording lengthier loud scenes in action audiobooks? Contrasting that between a more neutral narrative.

Do you guys just constantly fiddle with the gain? Or is this a Gate issue? Or do you have other techniques you like to use?

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u/Calm-Razzmatazz1388 — 4 days ago
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What do Rights Holders appreciate to see as part of your Audition message?

This is one for the RHs on ACX, and it's a question that stems from both being terrible at professional emails, as well as obviously never being on the opposite end of the question.

So what *do* Rights Holders want to see as part of a message? Rates? Time Frame? Past experience?

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u/AeonCorvinVA — 5 days ago
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Are RH using auditions to create AI narrations for their books?

This isn't really a huge concern but more of a curiosity because there's nothing I can do about it. I saw another post on a voiceover sub but I wanted to know about ACX, specifically. Most RH that I see looking for narrators are using AI covers and many of those I assume are using AI generated content, due to the quality and the speed with which they release new books. I'm just wondering if there's any way to tell if RH are opening their book for auditions to farm a bunch of different audio clips from narrators, then pulling the book so they can use them to create an AI audiobook. Again, I'm sure there isn't much than can be done to keep AI, or the people that use it to "produce content" from stealing our shit lol but I wonder...

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u/benzel_washington — 5 days ago
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Covers and scrutiny

Out of curiosity, how selective should I be? I feel like if something even KIND of looks like an AI cover, I skip it over. However, it is one thing to have the cover look Genned versus the book itself. So, I guess my question is, should I be less critical of auditioning for books with AI covers so long as the script itself seems genuine? I just am unsure because I find myself passing on a lot of opportunities because it seems like something may have a Genned cover.

Thoughts?

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u/stealthybomber168 — 4 days ago
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Update on the audiobook teleprompter I posted 2 years ago, it now catches misreads as you narrate and proofs your finished chapters

Two years ago I posted here about a teleprompter app for narrators. Since then, I've been consistently working on the app, putting my heart and hands into it, and I'm proud to say that PromptVO now does book prep, catches misreads as you narrate, and does final chapter proofing all at an affordable price.

I wanted to share it here since a lot of the first narrators on PromptVO came from Reddit. If you haven't tried it, the idea is to give you the catch-and-fix a studio engineer would, right from your home booth, so a misread becomes a quick touch-up instead of a pickup session. You can try it free at www.promptvo.com

(We share your hate for AI audiobooks and took NAVA's fAIr Voices Pledge, never trained on your voice or manuscript)

There's a free tier and you don't need to put a credit card in. As always, I'm open to feedback, feel free to DM or email me if that's more comfortable to you

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u/Brief-Swing5814 — 6 days ago
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International Narrator Meetup Day (authors/editors/publishers welcome too!)

On July 21 in a bunch of cities around the world, the Professional Audiobook Narrators Association (PANA) is hosting a bunch of “International Narrator Meetups.” You do NOT need to be a PANA member to attend, and the invite extends to authors, editors, publishers, or other audiobook professionals. The events are free to attend.

I’m helping to organize the Baltimore area meetup at Guinness Open Gate Brewery in Halethorpe and would love to see folks there!

More info on the cities hosting, and links to RSVP, here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y-xDkzUoZL4q71P1UqrcpDB6IVO7M0iy2INMFdufH94/mobilebasic?#heading=h.eonr8j1b5k46

u/MinaFairlow — 6 days ago
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How do you make pickups sound natural?

90% of the time when I do pickups they don't flow with the rest of the chapter and it's obvious it's a pickup unless it's a character voice. So how do I make sure the pitch is correct and that it flows? Should I record a paragraph involving the pickup to get into the groove of things so that it sounds seamless? Any help is welcome and thank you in advance!

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u/LiltingSunrise — 6 days ago
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I'm already an author, but I want to become a narrator. Do ineed to set up a second profile?

Like the title says, I'm already an author. However I want to begin narrating. I see nothing in my profile about being able to add that. Does this mean I will have to set up a completely different account?

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u/asamorris — 5 days ago
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[PAID] Hiring Voice Talent (Remote) | Voice Recording, Narration & Conversational Audio | $60–100 USD/hr

Company: Agents Only Technologies Inc.

Location: Remote (Worldwide)

Job Type: Freelance / Independent Contractor

Agents Only Technologies Inc. is looking for voice talents to participate in paid voice recording projects supporting AI, language technology, media, and speech-related initiatives.

We're recruiting contributors across multiple languages, accents, and dialects for a variety of voice and conversational audio projects.

What You'll Do

Depending on the project, you may be asked to:

  • Record scripted voice content
  • Read short passages naturally
  • Record conversational dialogue
  • Perform character-inspired or expressive speech
  • Adapt tone, pacing, pronunciation, and speaking style
  • Submit high-quality recordings that meet project guidelines

Projects vary in length and complexity, and not every project requires acting experience.

Requirements

  • Professional or fluent spoken proficiency in the required language
  • Clear speaking voice and natural pronunciation
  • Ability to follow recording instructions
  • Reliable internet connection
  • Access to a quiet recording environment and a device capable of producing clear audio
  • Ability to work independently and meet deadlines

Preferred (Not Required)

Experience in any of the following is a plus:

  • Voice acting
  • Voice-over
  • Narration
  • Dubbing
  • Podcasting
  • Broadcasting
  • Audiobook recording
  • Content creation
  • Audio production
  • AI speech or language data collection

Compensation

$60–$100 USD per hour, depending on the project, language, experience, and performance.

Project availability and total earnings will vary based on current business needs and contributor qualifications.

Work Arrangement

  • Fully remote
  • Freelance / Independent Contractor
  • Project-based work
  • Flexible schedule

How to Apply

If you're interested, apply through our official application process:

[https://sites.google.com/agentsonly.com/ao-dal-help-center/tts-mimicry]

Qualified applicants may be contacted for current or future projects that match their language profile, accent, or voice characteristics.

If you have questions about the role, feel free to ask in the comments or send a direct message.

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u/faustdoom — 5 days ago
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Proofing with Pozotron - script issues

I'm trying out Pozotron for the first time. I uploaded my script, tried out the first chapter, then discovered that the uploaded script (which was a PDF) was full of typos and errors - which are not present in the original PDF I've been working from.

Assuming there was an issue with the way it had been OCRd (as I received it), I flattened the PDF (printed to MS Print to PDF, which removes the OCR); then ran OCR in Adobe.

I uploaded this reworked PDF into Pozotron and tried again. It's better - 91 catches instead of 177, but still!! What the heck? Is this normal? Is this how Pozotron normally works? Is there just something seriously wrong with my PDF? If so - what? Visually, it looks fine; I've been reading from it to record without any issues.

Here are just a few examples of what it turned out:

"AJ!.of them empty.

he said ro no one in particular.

was in the WQ.!:_kshop.l-sharpening rools

The whiteclove comes th_N_ugh nicely without overwl-ielming tne egg"

Someone please tell me what I'm missing.

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u/KatDawson_Narrator — 7 days ago
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Question for Working Narrators

Doing a bit of research for something I’m working on…

What actually annoys you about your DAW (if anything) when you’re recording? What works for you and what doesn’t?

And if you could add one (or more) features that would actually make your life/work easier, what would it be?

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u/PunchTrack — 6 days ago
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How common is spam really

I just posted my first official sample on ACX as I'm trying to properly fill out my profile so that RH can look at it after an audition. I expected some spam, but doing this less than 12 hours ago, the amount of spam I already have is surprising. Does this calm down after a while? Is this mostly because my sample would have been the "top" of the sample list because it's newer? Should I expect similar things each time I post or update a new sample? Trying to figure out if this will just be my life for a week or two.

It's very obvious that they're spam and not real offers, but it's still disappointing to see a message notification only to open it to find yet another "opportunity" that's just spam.

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u/cocoawolf29 — 7 days ago
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Review Process

I just finished my first audiobook. I submitted the final product on 6/19 and it's still only completed the step for the cover art review. Yes, I'm aware that it says "review and publishing typically takes 10 days" but I would've thought at least more steps would be completed by now. Is this a pretty standard experience?

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u/TheOffishallEli — 8 days ago
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Not Sure If Production Will Pass

My narrator has been AMAZING. I love her and have been showing off her audio to fans and followers, but there are some technical issues in the current project that weren't present in the last one: pops, mouth noises, creaks, and tons of clicks. I can hear when she moves in her seat, and when I listen with professional headphones, I hear button-pressing where there's supposed to be room tone. Sometimes static creeps into the narration, giving that character an electronic quality to his voice, and there have been other electronic warbles and anomolies I can't identify.

There were some volume issues throughout the project (some characters were much lower than others in the same scene), so it's possible these extra noises became more obvious when she increased the volume in those sections. Whatever the case, I've been able to edit out many of these mild noises.

However, at the end of the project, I discovered a handful of chapters with car motors and a police siren in the background. I hadn't realized those were in the audio on the first listen (I thought they stemmed from my neighborhood), and I don't know how to remove them.

I apologized profusely to the narrator for not catching them the first time around, but I'm permitted two rounds of revisions, so I didn't think it was that big of a deal. She seemed to feel differently, expressing mild frustration when I asked her to remove or at least minimize those background noises.

Before I go on, I will say this project is BIG with lots of voices, accents, and foreign words. There's more prep work required for the series, and each book has more revisions than a standard book in this genre (mostly because of the foreign characters). But she knew this going in, and she knows I pay bonuses to help compensate for the additional work.

Nevertheless, she didn't seem happy about these background noises I discovered at the end. She referred to them as mere imperfections and sounded offended that I had questioned the quality of her audio. I was a bit confused (and heartbroken) because I'd undertaken so many of the minor edits myself, and also because she still felt this way even after I doubled her bonus.

Maybe I didn't give her enough, I don't know, but I'm concerned because she wasn't able to remove all instances of these remaining backgrounds noises, and she made it clear she isn't going to edit those further. The police siren is gone, thankfully, but the motor is still obvious in a couple of sections. There are other parts where the motor isn't noticeable per se, but the distant hum adds something of a "curtain" to the track, which then comes and goes as the chapter progresses through the original recording and some pick-ups she inserted.

TL;DR

MY MAIN QUESTIONS: How concerned should I be that ACX is going to kick the project back with these inconsistencies and extra noises at the end? If they do kick it back, is there a program I can use to remove that background noise myself?

ABOUT THE BONUS: Do other narrators receive bonuses from the authors or publishers that hire them? If so, how much do you expect? I paid one extra PFH for the first production and two extra PFHs for this one (about 15.5% of the total cost).

FOR NEXT TIME: Are the extra noises (the minor ones like clicks, button-pressing, and shifting in her seat) that big of a deal, or should I have just left those in and never mentioned them? She's said these noises can't be heard at a normal volume, but I know people who listen to audiobooks at high volumes or even full volume for all kinds of reasons.

I've personally tried listening on different devices, but even then (even on lower volumes), I can still hear something happening (a shift of some sort, something that intrudes on the narration) even when I can't discern what exactly that thing is. My concern is that too many of these instances will be off-putting to listeners.

I don't want to offend future narrators, but I also want to make sure that I'm creating a quality retail product. Thanks for any suggestions or feedback.

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u/_lou_seal_ — 11 days ago
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Article: Amazon is stuffing Audible full of slop, turning human narration into a luxury, and betting you won’t do the math. Well, I did the math.

TL;DR: (heavy emphasis on the TL part) The title basically sums it up. Amazon is being Amazon. Jeff Bezos' cock rocket is powered by human suffering. What else is new?

Edit: If you want to do something about this, I'd start by signing this petition.

Edit 2: Added TL;DR and some clarification on my use of AI for this article: Claude and ChatGPT were used for research and fact-checking purposes only. I wrote this mess in its entirety. Yes, people still do that.

Taken from my free Substack. (audio version available there)

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I logged into the Kindle publishing dashboard to futz with my new sequel, Take Back the Deep Estate. The ebook was live, the paperback was live, and right in between the two was a new slot: “Add audiobook with virtual voice.”

Not “hire a narrator.”

Not “Use AI and help Amazon trade out a creative industry for slop.”

Just “Add audiobook virtual voice,” positioned as a natural next step, just above that hardcover edition I should probably get around to setting up.

That button bothered me more than I expected, and then I started connecting dots. My God, things got so much worse. Even with ChatGPT and Claude operating in galaxy-brain mode, [PURELY FOR RESEARCH AND FACT CHECKING] I quickly became tangled in the red string. I’m still sitting here scratching my head, but I can say this much with confidence:

Three things are happening at the same time. Audible is forcing creators into a new royalty system and pushing “All You Can Listen,” while Amazon has introduced the Virtual Voice option directly into the Kindle publishing dashboard.

They’re connected.

In short: Fuckery is afoot, and everyone except Amazon is going to suffer.

Consumers will find Audible filled with AI slop. Authors and narrators will be paid far less until human narration is eventually squeezed out of the equation entirely.

First off, narration is not just reading a book.

I care about voice actors, and I don’t like that every time I compare the state of the industry today versus what it once was, I come away a little depressed.

My father, Tom Kane, raised NINE KIDS doing voice work. It was a well-paying SAG-AFTRA union career that put food on the table, paid for school supplies, medical bills, and Christmas presents.

Then there’s Christopher Harbour, the narrator of my Deep Estate novels. He does not just “read the words.” It’s very much a performance, one I can confidently say is on par with what “legendary voice artist” Tom Kane once delivered. He is also trying to raise his daughter on audiobook work, but the environment is a completely different beast.

Once, he casually mentioned during a recording session that he would like to bring another child into the world, but the numbers kept him from doing so. I found myself looking at the family photo on my wall, where my father and mother somehow managed to corral their horde of NINE KIDS for a Kodak moment.

I know my father and Chris aren’t equivalent examples, but I couldn’t shake the idea that something had changed for voice acting, and not for the better.

In Tom Kane’s world, audiobooks were made by publishers, in studios, frequently under union contracts at scale rates with pension and health paid on top. In Christopher Harbour’s world, anyone with a USB mic and a coat closet can call themselves a “voice actor.” Amazon didn’t cause the barrier to entry to collapse, but they sure as hell leaned into it.

ACX’s Audiobook Creation Exchange became the primary platform for voice actors to audition and bid for audiobooks. The bids came with no instituted floor, and instead of royalties being built in, they became a bargaining chip. The result was a race to the bottom, with a paycheck often a fraction of union scale, and much of a narrator’s pay based on speculation about future royalties.

And in a very corporate, “the solution to the problem is to make the problem a solution,” Amazon took the fact that voice actors were now expected to play the role of director, engineer, and editor in addition to being the sole performer, shrugged, and simply started calling them “producers.”

So when I saw “Add Virtual Voice,” it felt especially cruel.

Amazon, the company that kept the starving artists starving, was now offering a machine solution that didn’t need to be fed. There is no “Hire a human” button. That’s on an entirely different website.

As it stands, the only saving grace seems to be Amazon’s bone-deep need to be stingy.

The Good News: Amazon’s Virtual Voice sucks

So I clicked that “Add Virtual Voice” button and had the machine read my manuscript just to see what they were offering. I was expecting something on par with ElevenLabs’ cutting-edge text-to-speech models. Something that could simulate a breathing human and somewhat understand inflection, pace, and tone.

Nope. It turns out the cutting edge is too expensive for Amazon.

They don’t explicitly say which model they’re using, but judging by the voice naming convention and some common sense, they likely went with Amazon’s in-house AWS Polly. Polly has tiers of quality, and its latest and best model is specifically meant for long-form content like an audiobook.

They didn’t use that one.

You see, good text-to-speech eats up GPU and can’t be generated in real time, so they’d have to render the entire audiobook before selling a single copy. At scale, that would add up to a pretty penny, enough that the aspiring dystopian mega-corp might even consider a rounding error.

But if there’s anything I’ve learned from all my research, it’s this: Amazon won’t spend a dime unless they can also nickel-and-dime someone else.

Using the good model would imply they had some faith that these audiobooks would recoup the investment. Instead, they went with something that could be generated on the fly for a fraction of the GPU compute, so they wouldn’t have to spend a penny until someone hits play.

And the result? It sounds like a slight step up from a Speak N Spell.

A good narrator performs. They give characters distinct voices. They pace jokes. They carry dread. They understand when a line needs to land dry, when it needs to hurt, and, especially when it comes to my writing, when it needs to be stupid in exactly the right way.

Amazon’s Virtual Voice just says the words on the page and nothing more.

It is, quite frankly, trash.

Just take a listen to Christopher Harbour and Amazon’s Virtual Voice read the same passages:

[I, uh, I can't embed video here, but it's in the original Substack article.]

The Bad News: Amazon’s Virtual Voice sucks

If Amazon weren’t Violet Beauregarde wearing a thousand dildos, giddily rolling around trying to fuck as many people as they can, as fast as they can, I would think this was a lazy attempt to monetize some Kindle feature they were planning to give away for free.

Which makes the matter only more confounding. The cutting-edge audiobook option is there, they’re just not using it. If they’re not actually trying to make AI audiobooks that can compete with audiobooks performed by a narrator, then why are they being pushed so hard as an option for authors?

I think it comes down to two things.

First, Virtual Voice audiobooks aren’t meant to be literature. Its content, and they need a lot of it. The cheaper and more disposable, the better. I highly doubt anyone will knowingly pay for these AI audiobooks, but Amazon isn’t really planning on selling them. Sure, the author can put a price tag on it and pretend someone might buy it, but really, it’s all meant to fill up their “All You Can Listen” catalog.

Second, Amazon is clearly looking ahead to what AI-read audiobooks will look like in the near future, and the changes they are making to their contracts and royalty system now are in anticipation of making that future a reality.

Ultimately, they want a human voiceover for your novel to be a luxury, not the standard it currently is.

The Spotify of audiobooks

Amazon wants Audible to be the Spotify of audiobooks, but since Spotify is already trying to become the Spotify of audiobooks, they have to move doubly fast to become the Spotify of audiobooks. However, doing so requires a fundamental change.

Spotify would be a vastly different place if it started out as the Audible of music, and their subscription offered a monthly Spotify credit that could be used to purchase a single album. Albums would still hold some monetary value to the consumer, and Spotify introducing an All-You-Can-Stream option at this late stage wouldn’t be an easy sell to creators. Studios and artists would be hesitant to devalue their own work and throw it into the buffet.

Audible’s economy is no different.

For about twenty years, the Audible deal was simple enough to explain to a golden retriever, or let’s be real, most authors, including me.

On the outside, Audible was an honest, clean handshake between a person who wanted a story and the virtual monopoly that sold it. The listener paid a monthly subscription fee, received a credit or two, and spent those credits on audiobooks.

Amazon would like the customer to stop doing that.

Exchanging money for things, expecting those things to be yours, not paying them every month to access those things? It’s an antiquated concept of ownership.

Why allow audiobooks to have value, when it could be access to those audiobooks? What they really want is to offer customers an all-you-can-eat content buffet.

As a consumer, a buffet of content is pretty fantastic. Once upon a time, you’d drop twelve bucks on a single album. Now, you hand Spotify roughly that same amount each month and get every song ever recorded, forever, on tap. It’s a genuine miracle of consumer value. Just think of the last time you bought an album.

No, seriously, think about the last time you bought an album because it’s a real problem.

The irony of Spotify becoming the solution to music piracy is that while consumers are no longer stealing from artists, the artists are still getting robbed. By paying $12 to Spotify each month for access to their buffet, we’ve essentially capped our music spending at a single monthly album purchase. Instead of buying your favorite artist's new album, they end up with a fraction of a penny for every song you stream.

The fact that Audible is looking at this model and visibly swooning should worry every author and narrator.

The way I see it, Amazon wants to turn Audible into Hometown Buffet, but that requires cheap content to fill the warming trays. Of Audible’s ~1 million audiobooks, only ~150K are “All You Can Listen.” As much as they would love to just force their entire catalog into the buffet, they can’t, since most of their existing audiobooks come with a one-credit price tag they can’t unilaterally remove.

So everything they’re doing is to work around that issue, starting with finding a whole lot of cheap content, fast.

They’re staring at the disconnect between Kindle and Audible catalogs and scheming. Only 4% of KDP titles have an audiobook, and Virtual Voice is part of how they plan to bridge that gap, by giving authors a fast way to make cheap audiobooks with AI.

But here’s the thing: The vast majority of these books simply aren’t worth turning into audiobooks the traditional way. Over 90% of self-published books sell fewer than 100 copies. A great deal of these dusty, unread novels end up on Kindle Unlimited, Amazon’s eBook buffet, with the author reasoning, “Well, if they won’t buy the ebook, maybe they’ll read it if it’s part of their subscription, and I might get a quarter and a couple pennies in exchange.”

It goes to reason that the authors of these unread novels will do the same with Virtual Voice. “Well, if they won’t buy my book, or read it when it’s free, surely they’ll listen to it, right?”

Initially, I figured Audible would wait just like Kindle for the author to give up on people buying their AI audiobook before offering it as part of the buffet, but it turns out they cut that step out entirely. If you opt to create a Virtual Voice audiobook and your ebook is on Kindle Unlimited, the audiobook is automatically enrolled in Audible’s All You Can Listen.

That’s why Amazon’s Virtual Voice sounds like crap.

They don’t expect anyone to buy these books. Optimistically, readers might listen to a tiny fraction of these AI audiobooks for free, but for the vast majority, their popularity won’t change just because RoboCop now narrates them. They will, however, fill up the All You Can Listen catalog with cheap content that makes the buffet look more worthwhile.

Just don’t look too closely at the mashed potatoes.

Audible’s new bullshit math

Right now, Audible is trying to exist in both worlds: customers are still exchanging credits for audiobooks they’d normally buy, while Audible is also offering free audiobooks on top of that. There’s just one catch: Those free books aren’t actually free. Somebody is going to have to pay for them, and it sure as hell isn’t going to be Amazon.

This is where the new royalty system comes in.

Let me be clear here because I’m going to use this term a lot: “bullshit math” is my stand-in for the overly complicated way a streaming-style buffet pays creators. The term is the result of spending an entire weekend using both ChatGPT and Claude to help me understand Audible’s new royalty system and how it meshes with the Virtual Voice rollout.

Initially, I came away with more questions than answers. I can’t tell you how many times I shuddered and said out loud, “WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WHAT?” Eventually, I landed on one overarching answer: 

readers'Some bullshit math happens, and then they pay you less.

To which Claude and ChatGPT both said, “Yeah, pretty much.”

Topline, Audible wants you to know you’re going to make more money!!!! They’re flashing “40% royalties are now 50%!” and making it rain clip art dollar bills. Then they get into the details, and it’s far from that simple.

They have it all spelled out in their documentation, sure. They even show you a formula, and it’s all so easy to figure out. Just calculate:

Royalty Payout = Member value X (Your title list value / Sum of the list values of all engaged titles) X Contractual Royalty rate

It’s just that simple.

Really, the whole mess is a hodgepodge of terms, variables, and conditional statements across separate websites, and so much of it is left vague or undefined. But here’s the extremely simplified version:

The old system was messy, but at least it was messy in a way you could vaguely recognize. Someone bought your book, either with cash or with an Audible credit, and you got a cut. That cut would always be smaller than expected with a credit. After they run their patented allocation-factor bullshit math, the value of an Audible credit was never anywhere near the listed price. The 40% royalties were more like 21-18%, but at least the basic transaction made sense.

A customer spent something on your audiobook. You got paid for your audiobook.

The new system is: Someone bought your book, so take two Tylenol and buckle the fuck up.

Audible now starts with something called “Member Value.” This is the chunk of money they’ll be divvying up, so it’s pretty important to nail down. Naturally, they don’t give you any concrete numbers, so it stays vague and nebulous.

They also give you two contradictory definitions on the same page. In its video explainer, Audible says Member Value starts from the average amount received from all members of a plan, minus taxes, promotional discounts, and fees. In its written FAQ on the same page, Audible says Member Value starts from that plan’s monthly membership revenue, minus taxes and fees. There is no mention of an average or promotional discounts.

So either Member Value is the monthly subscription of the person who bought your audiobook, after Audible subtracts taxes and its suspiciously undefined “fees,” or it’s an average of all the members in that plan, after it’s fed through some bullshit math that lobs a chunk off to account for Audible’s free-trial-and-discount machine.

That’s going to be two very different amounts.

Whatever. This isn’t even the main point of fuckery. Member Value is basically their monthly subscription. That’s the chunk of money royalties are now coming from, not the credit itself.

What matters is that, under the new system, an audiobook purchased with a credit and an audiobook consumed through All You Can Listen are in the same single-user royalty pool and only weighted by their price. That’s a problem for everyone involved, but it’s especially shitty for the audiobook that costs a credit.

Now, I’ve written and rewritten this part three times, painting a full picture, showing the math, then not showing the math, trying to best explain this mess in a way that won’t make readers eyes glaze over or just sound like some author bitching about royalties. Here’s the best way I found to get it all across. To put it in the simplest way possible, using grade school math and extremely round numbers, imagine this:

Someone walks into a bookstore and buys Welcome to the Deep Estate for a book club credit.

For the shopper, the credit is worth one book, as it has been for the past 20 years. For the new royalty system, the credit just means she can pick a book. Her monthly subscription fee is the actual value, and that’s $10.

The Deep Estate is normally priced at $15, but Jeff Bezos ignores the list price and hands Chris and me our 50% royalty of that member value, $5.

However, on the way out, the customer stops by the “Free books” bargain bin and grabs a book. After she leaves, Jeff Bezos looks at the list price of that free book and sees it’s also priced at $15.

He does some quick bullshit math. He adds the list prices together then divides The Deep Estates price by the total. (15/30 = 0.5) He then multiplies that by the Member Value ($10 x 0.5) then applies the 50% royalty rate.

The result? Jeff Bezos takes the fiver back from Chris and me. Now we get $2.50, and the author of the free book gets $2.50.

But wait!

The customer immediately turns around and walks back in, apologizing. Maybe she will take that trashy free romance she was eyeing. This book also conveniently has the same list price as the other two, so Jeff Bezos takes the money back again, does the same bullshit math, and divides it three ways, leaving Chris and me with $1.67.

The end result is that the customer walks away thinking she only bought one book, and you know what? Technically, she did.

Chris and I just ended up paying for the other two.

And no matter how many “free but not really” books she takes, the store won’t lose a single penny. Amazon being Amazon, they made sure they’ll always make 50–70% of the Member Value no matter what. This book splitting can only ever make them more money.

That’s the new royalty system.

And I’m sure you’re probably saying, “Yeah, but what are the chances someone is going to listen to multiple audiobooks in a single month?” and that’s the real kicker of this fuckery.

They don’t need to finish them.

They only need to listen long enough for each one to count as a “Qualified Listen,” which, for your average novel, appears to be anything over 30 minutes.

An All-You-Can-Listen audiobook doesn’t need to be worth your time. It just has to be worth giving a shot. The listener simply needs to play the prologue and a chunk of Chapter 1 before deciding it sucks and moving on, and that free novel can cut a major chunk of our royalty.

Adding in a tidal wave of unlistenable AI-generated audiobooks is only going to make the situation worse. The more disposable the free catalog becomes, the more listeners will bounce around, triggering Qualified Listens.

At the same time, paid audiobooks are at a distinct disadvantage because they still require an Audible credit. If you repeated the exact same situation, only now Welcome to The Deep Estate is also in the free books bargain bin, the result would be exactly the same. Audible’s new royalty system is forcing us into a post-credit economy where an audiobook being worth buying is just a barrier with no benefit.

If a paid audiobook sucks, they can always request a refund to get that credit back. But for a free audiobook? There’s nothing to refund. The free novel that wasn’t worth listening to still eats into the royalties of the ones that were.

At some point, excluding your work from All You Can Listen will cost creators real money.

In the long term, it’s also going to cost us human narrators.

The Human Cost

I make a point of not referring to Welcome to the Deep Estate as “my audiobook.” The Deep Estate series is very much the collaborative work of Christopher Harbour and me. I wrote and directed it, but Chris provided the voice, talent, audio engineering, editing, along with his own spin, which made the end product far better.

It’s to the point that whenever anyone asks about the sequel I just released, Take Back the Deep Estate, I’m actually telling them not to read it.

Wait for the audiobook. Trust me. It’s going to be amazing.

Amazon clearly sees this kind of collaboration as inefficient, and when all of this fuckery comes to fruition, it’s going to put both the narrator and author in a tough spot. Chris and I also share royalties, but that kind of profit sharing only works if there’s enough profit to share.

If narrators can no longer rely on speculation to make a recording project worthwhile, they’ll need to up their rates, but they’ll find themselves fighting against the current, pushing higher bids in the middle of ACX’s race to the bottom.

Maybe they’ll forgo royalties entirely for a higher up-front payment, and risk the chance that they could potentially record a bestseller and find themselves stuck holding a single paycheck.

Maybe they’ll have no choice but to learn to love the bomb and embrace ACX’s AI voice cloning services, because of course that’s a thing. It’s currently in beta. If they stop performing and start generating bespoke text-to-speech, then maybe increasing their volume could make the numbers work.

Or maybe they’ll just eventually get the message that they’re outdated and no longer needed. Gone the way of the horse and buggy, except for the few we keep around to splurge on romantic rides around Central Park.

As for authors? Well, we already have Amazon’s solution. It’s sitting right there on the dashboard: “Add Virtual Voice.”

Amazon loves authors. Not only do we put up the money and do all the hard work just so Amazon can take an outsized cut, but we’re also paying Amazon per click so that people might find our hard work in their search results. That alone is an insane relationship when you frame it in the context of the Bezos brick-and-mortar bookstore.

“Yeah, we’ll carry your book, but you gotta pay us a dollar anytime someone touches your book, or it’s going in our basement pit.”

When you get down to it, authors are Amazon’s favorite rube, and you don’t cut rubes loose, you string them along. Meanwhile, narrators made the fatal mistake of not being Amazon.

Abusive and toxic relationships are sustained by the abuser becoming the victim’s everything. “You are nothing without me! There’s nothing out there for you. Everything you have is because of me!”

They don’t like that the author is working with someone other than Amazon, and it’s not enough that they also keep the narrator under a controlling hand. They’re rightfully worried that the author and narrator might start talking behind their back, because we are.

But with a Virtual Voice narrator? That’s another lever they control.

Amazon won’t ever hear their Virtual Voice murmuring to the author in the other room, “I don’t like the way they treat us. There’s gotta be someplace that’s better than here.”

Their Virtual Voice doesn’t narrate with the hopes of turning it into a decent career.

It isn’t trying to raise a daughter.

It just reads the words on the page.

u/KevinKaneAuthor — 13 days ago